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ijawkid: The truth is atheist don't even want to go to heaven.........the best thing is to leave them alone.........

How can they want to go and see the one they have use their short life to curse for?

No mind the so call pope that dont even understand what God desires are.

He only wants them to remain in this their present condition.

okeyxyz: ^^^ What has the above got to do with a man and his legally married wife(s)??

For the sake of promoting White-man's values as christian doctrine, you are willing to bend offenses to include people that have consensually, naturally and legally married themselves. This is perversion of christianity.

"Not in the lust of concupiscence(sexual appetite) just as the Gentiles which do not know God do" (1 Thessalonians 4:5).

thehomer: smr

Lol.

What with you guy?

Decode and you come up with more?
Smh for you.

Another good thread on the "hell fire" topic by Frosbel:

https://www.nairaland.com/1295967/hell-go-hell-conclusion

thehomer: Don't just syh, sys.

Lol.

Guy, decode please.

"sys" = what?

Shake your System?

Decode please.

okeyxyz: I am not a marriage believing christian. But even if I was, there's absolutely no christian doctrine that makes it a requirement for a christian man to limit himself to one wife. This one-wife doctrine is simply European culture camouflaging as christian doctrine.

The recommendation by Paul for a bishop to be the husband of one wife was simply a human management convenience, so that this bishop should have as little distraction(from his home\marital duties) as possible.

"Mortify therefore your body members which are upon the earth; as regard fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence(sex.ual desires), and covetousness, which is idolatry:
For such things’ sake the wrath of God is coming on the children of disobedience:" (Colossians 3:5-6).

Pygru: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/23/heaven-for-atheists-pope-sparks-debate/?sr=fb052413popeatheist330p

Why will he not say so?(that atheist will go to heaven)

is it not his RCC that is making the majority of atheist we know?(like in this forum).

He is sending out a hand of condolence to pacify them.

Smh

musKeeto: I got this from some religious book. Can't remember which one.

Job 36:32 He fills his hands with lightning and commands it to strike its mark.

Kjv

"With clouds he covereth the light; and commandeth it not to shine by the cloud that cometh betwixt." (Job 36:32).

Smh for deceit.

nep2ra: Read this again:

Hear the words of Jesus:

[color=#FF0000] "Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out – those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned"[/color] John 5:28-29 NIV

The words of Apostle Paul:

"...and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked." Acts 24:15 NIV

Read and think deeply!

Very good reasoning, those two set of people are in the same place, and will both be resurected from death.

Not that they are alive somewhere, if they are alive somewhere there will be no need for them being resurrected.

Good thinking men, good thinking.

Pastor Olu T: I know it is a Latin word but i still do not get you, but what i am saying is peradventure you did not get me is to replace grave/pit with all the places you find Hell in the bible starting from the original post which is the account of Lazarus and the rich man, the we start our discussion from there.

Stay bless brother

the truth is, you understand what you are asking me to do better and how best to do it.

Why not go ahead and do the needfull lets get started?

Peace.

^
"Best NL religious forum topic".

Smh.

Mintayo: actually you are always full of crapfalse teachings!



actually u are also full of crap...pls when did moses died? Are u saying that it was long after Jesus that Micheal contended with satan over moses body?
Again, a born-again 12yrs old boy can tell the devil'the Lord rebuke thee', does that make Him Jesus?
Paul said that "we should rebuke the devil and he will flee from us"!
I can say to d devil also,"the Lord rebuke you"-does that make me Jesus?
Jesus was showing us how to deal with the devil in his temptation!

Heb 1:4. (NIV)
This shows that the Son is far greater than the Angels,just as the name God gave Him is greater than their names.

Heb 1:5. (KJV)
For unto which of the angels said He at anytime, Thou art my Son,this day have i begotten thee? And again,i will be to him a father and he shall be to me a Son?

Vs 14.(NLT).
Therefore angels are only servants-spirits sent to care for people who will inherit salvation.
(KJV call them ministering spirit).

And like i said before, i am greater than the angels and angel Micheal is not Jesus Christ!
Gabriel and Micheal are the most powerful angels!
Gabriel is a messenger angel-he is in charge of message-delivery; while micheal is in charge of battles!
Revelation chapter 12.



very typical of you, always trying to impose ur false teachings on people-but it won't work!
Accept the Holy Spirit-you will need Him to teach you the scriptures-you can't access the LIFE in the Bible with your senses,it does'nt work that way(same for all christain folks on NL).

https://www.nairaland.com/1103279/michael-archangel-really-jesus-revelation

^ Read!

alexleo: They are merchants of lies. Watch how they ll twist this one too. The place I quoted about Enoch may be they are still cooking the lies that they ll use to defend that one too. Shameless desperados.

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good report.
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which were seen" (Hebrews 11:1-3).
"By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before him translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
"By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath real foundations, whose builder and maker is God." (Hebrews 11:4-10).
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Now, Jesus did not see those ^ people in heaven, though they died hundreds of years befor he came to earth.

But those ^ faithfull men are waiting for a "city having real foundation" whose maker is God.

They all died befor the new covanant that have a promise of a heavenly life.

They await a resurrection in the future:

"The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein forever." (Psalm 37:29).

Enoch is listed with those other men of faith since they all shear the same hope.

That God "translated" him does not mean he went to heaven.

Learn to trust christ, cause in him is "hidden all the treasures of wisdom".
And he said:

"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." (John 3:13).

QED.

alexleo: And nay be Elijah suddenly became a human bird of the heaven by that action. Enoch probably is now in your village since the bible said he did not taste death. Paul must have also lied that he was taken to the third heaven going by your submission. The several places that Jesus talked about hell and its torments haven't you twisted it in you usual satanic manner? You are a merchant of lies. You can't deceive me. Elijah's ministry ended when he ascended to heaven and Elisha took over his mantle. stop your stu.pid and senseless twisting of the scripture. Tell your master satan that you can't continue to run his trade of falsehood for him because its detrimental to the eternal destiny of your soul.

"Moreover he made high places in the mountains of Judah, and caused the inhabitants of Jerusalem to commit fornication, and compelled Judah thereto. And there came a writing to him from Elijah the prophet, saying, Thus saith the LORD God of David thy father, Because thou hast not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat thy father, nor in the ways of Asa king of Judah, But hast walked in the way of the kings of Israel, and hast made Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem to go a whoring, like to the whoredoms of the house of Ahab, and also hast slain thy brethren of thy father’s house, which were better than thyself: Behold, with a great plague will the LORD smite thy people, and thy children, and thy wives, and all thy goods:" (2 Chronicles 21:11-14).
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I am not the one that wrote that ^.

If you love the truth, you will look more closely and be happy that you are realising more facts, which reduces your errors.

Instead of being angry, make more research.

The bible said that Elijah sent a letter after the chariot have carried him, so, he did not go to heaven.

alexleo: My dear this agents of satan are twisting the bible. They stu.pidly quote the scriptures and give it satanic interpretation. See how one of their agents said that Elijah didn't actually ascend into heaven just because the place I quoted destroyed his evil plan of trying to manipulate the scripture he quoted to drive his devilish teaching. He explained the heaven Elijah was taken to as just the sky where plane and birds fly. Very deperate and shameless people. Heaven has suddenly had several interpretations same way they interpreted hell because their idiotic teaching must be propagated. Hopeless beings.

What has become of you? easy men.

when the bible says "birds of heaven", does it refer to the birds in the throne of God? No.

But the birds simply fly in the skies, that is the sense of it.

And, Jesus said this below, who should i belief, between u and Jesus?:

"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." (John 3:13).
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Elijah did not go to heaven, the throne of God.


the bible does not contradict itself. .

alexleo: Your points are useless, baseless and empty so there is nothing to think about in it. You people are just deceiving yourselves with this satanic teachings.

lol.

This bros funny die. Lol.

youngvoice: we are created to be omnipresent to know all things like God.ijohn2:27.we will soon unite with him in both likeness to do his will.

"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him." (1 John 2:27).

Smh.

alexleo: Oh God pls save us from this agents of deceit who are parading themselves as bible champions while deceiving people into the path of eternal damnation. Expose them and set them free from such satanic entanglements and twisting of the scriptures, set them on the right path that we all will make heaven at last, In Jesus name. Amen.

lol.

What is happening to him?

Lol. May that Demon leave him and let him have peace and happiness.

alexleo: Get thee behind me satan.

lol.

Feeding your ignorance.

alexleo: So where did Elijah ascend to if the place you quoted means what you are falsely interpreting? What about Enoch whom we are told did not taste death but was taken by God. Where is he? Are these men now in your village or where? Oya begin your desperado twisting to explain this one too. Rubbish.

Read 2 kings 2:11. 11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

Also read Hebrews 11:5. 5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Abeg carry your useless and satanic teaching comot my face. Agents of falsehood. God will expose you people to shame.

Did you read the 2chronicles and know what happened to Elijah and stop believing a lie?

alexleo: So where did Elijah ascend to if the place you quoted means what you are falsely interpreting? What about Enoch whom we are told did not taste death but was taken by God. Where is he? Are these men now in your village or where? Oya begin your desperado twisting to explain this one too. Rubbish.

Elijah was relocated from one place to another on this earth with that chariot.

That is why he could still do his work of warning a king in the future after the chariot carried him.

See:


"And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2 Kings 2:11).


After that ^ at 2 Kings 2:11, see him sending a latter to a wicked king later:

"Moreover he made high places in the mountains of Judah, and caused the inhabitants of Jerusalem to commit fornication, and compelled Judah thereto.

"And there came a writing to him from Elijah the prophet",

saying, Thus saith the LORD God of David thy father, Because thou hast not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat thy father, nor in the ways of Asa king of Judah, But hast walked in the way of the kings of Israel, and hast made Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem to go a whoring, like to the whoredoms of the house of Ahab, and also hast slain thy brethren of thy father’s house, which were better than thyself: Behold, with a great plague will the LORD smite thy people, and thy children, and thy wives, and all thy goods:" (2 Chronicles 21:11-14).
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That ^ happened years later.

That the birds of "heavens" fly in "heaven" does not mean that they are in the throne of God.

Even earoplen fly into "heaven".

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Tpfkakambo: A simple google search would have provided so many bible verses to put him straight instead of coming online to
push wobbly opinions of the bible as if theyre facts.
how long has it taken me to prepare the last post above?
You yourselve should have been able to research the facts presented and come to a conclusion yourself.
The hardest part would be finding scriptures but google is your friend here- ..
All these half bakedness should be avoided..
There are complex theological topics that could task the most conscientious theologian but not this
abc issues..
People just want to beliv wat they want to believe,fine.but dont try to twist scriptures
to fit your warped view point.

Stop this copy and pest without insight.

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed(pneuma/spirit) into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." (Genesis 2:7).
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spirit WAS "put" into man and he came to be a living soul.

Simple scripture you shoud first take note of to guide you.

It is this same spirit that leaves the man.

alexleo: Thanks my brother. Quite a pity how this people are so deceived. How some people will be quoting all sorts of scriptures (like satan did to Jesus) and giving some useless reasons just to disprove the existence of hell. A place that Jesus warned us severally in the bible not to enter. They blame king James, blame latin at some point, blame hebrew at another point, blame greek, just to continue to propagate this false teaching. What a desperate move to spread false doctrine. God bless you for standing up for the truth.

Jesus did not use the word "hell".

You just lied there ^.

Even Jesus went o hell if so:

"He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption." (Acts 2:31).

Hell is a latin word, translators brought it into the bible when the bible was translated into latin.

Its idea is that of the latin people.

^ rubbish!

Tpfkakambo: it wud b better if u dnt try to make d bible say what u wud like it to say but rather report the truth as is written, if ur a christian.
If ur an atheists or non christian,then ur reaction, is to b xpcted and counts for nothing in d present context.

Can you please "report" the truth here and let us see?

Bidam: continue to ignore the words of Jesus to your destruction..any one can quote scriptures to make it say what he wants to say.

Does the bible contradic itself?

Bidam: My brother Jesus said tithe is real mat 23:23..i'd rather believe and obey Jesus than men..who are you obeying? frosbel SMH!

That ^ is why you need the fear of hell fire to use and threaten those that will not pay tith.

I pity those that keep remaining in bondage.

Dont forget, Jesus said his "(my) load is light" after observing all the temple arrangement including Tithe.

Sorry for you.