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Debroslink: [color=#000099]
[b]the word bible, rapture, are not in the bible, but you believe them don't u?

Debroslink: I read ur comment about the Holy Spirit about being a force...

Debroslink: The Holy Spirit is Almighty God.

Debroslink: Just read Job33:4 using the KJV

benalvino: the bible calls the father mighty God also... it calls Jesus almighty God also... again interchangeable but he will conclude that it is the bible that is doing the wayo... must of the verse I am quoting sometimes is from their new world translation

benalvino: baptize in the name of the father and the son... he no do them... then it say in the name of Yahweh power? na wao... why God they treat him power as different person na? I don already talk about spirit... satan is a spirit and satan is not an it also. Human spirit is the personality of the body which is the outward man and the spirit is the inward man... without the spirit the body doesn't function... with out the body the spirit functions. that is why the angels function and Guess what the disciples thought Jesus was a spirit after resurrection. this one should be put to bed...
IF the holy spirit is Gods power according to you guys... then the Holy spirit is God!!

shdemidemi: our brother benalvino has answered your question, although you seem to disagree. But the man had tried, could you please explain the prophesy of the coming of this begotten son.
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

The scriptures called him all those names, they seem like similar names of God, what do u think?

ijawkid: New Living Translation (©2007)
But we know that there is only one
God, the Father, who created
everything, and we live for him.
And there is only one Lord, Jesus
Christ, through whom God made
everything and through whom we
have been given life.


Who is the one God??.....if you are so sure that Jesus isn't the Father then Jesus is not the almighty GOD....chikena.......

benalvino: Isaiah's Vision of the Lord in His Glory
Isaiah 6:3
1In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the LORD sitting on a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. 2Above it stood the seraphim: each one had six wings; with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he did fly. 3And one cried to another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.

Revelation 4:8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying: "'Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty,' who was, and is, and is to come."
Isaiah gives signs of the times, showing how people will recognize the advent of their God:

"Say to those who are fearful-hearted, 'Be strong, do not fear! Behold, your God will come with vengeance, with the recompense of God; He will come and save you.' Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped. Then the lame shall leap like a deer, and the tongue of the dumb sing. For waters shall burst forth in the wilderness, and streams in the desert." (Isaiah 35:4-6).

Which is why, when the disciples of John the Baptist inquired who Jesus was, He drew their attention to these very signs, then being shown right before their eyes: "When the men had come to Him, they said, 'John the Baptist has sent us to You, saying, "Are You the Coming One, or do we look for another?"' And that very hour He cured many of infirmities, afflictions, and evil spirits; and to many blind He gave sight. Jesus answered and said to them, 'Go and tell John the things you have seen and heard: that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, the poor have the gospel preached to them. And blessed is he who is not offended because of Me.'" (Luke 7:20-22, Matthew 11:4-6).

Who but God gives sight to the blind?:

"The LORD opens the eyes of the blind; the LORD raises those who are bowed down; the LORD loves the righteous." (Psalm 146: 8 );

"So the LORD said to him, 'Who has made man's mouth? Or who makes the mute, the deaf, the seeing, or the blind? Have not I, the LORD?'" (Exodus 4:11).

shdemidemi: You sound bitter,

shdemidemi: what would you then say when you find out you are actually the one wrong--the bible says
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Should I believe you or the book?
Simple, Because people like you will not see what the Scriptures say. You gloss over it, and interpret it by what you may have heard over the years.

shdemidemi: [color=#990000]Deuteronomy 29:29


He had a prerogative to keep what is to be kept, He knew day and hour from His God-side. Remember, He is as man as He is God at the same time.

benalvino: please what is the holy spirit then? if the Holy Spirit has no personality then how can man lie to it? how can it speak? does it have feeling? WHAT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT... Please Give me Biblical proof so I wont address the Holy Spirit as HE and correct my self and Address it as AN IT.

"Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me." (Isaiah 48:16) LORD GOD(FATHER) and HIS SPIRIT(Holy Spirit) HAS SENT ME...

The Holy Spirit can be 'insulted': "Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?" (Hebrews 10:29).


you can call the holy spirit active force... even Newton will not call the Holy spirit Force...

truthislight: Most people really Confuse what spirit is.

The word spirit means many things.

See:

1. Spirit creatures are called spirits.
1. Power of spirit creatures is also called spirit.

While humans have hands and legs to do things, spirit creatures use their spirits(power) to do things.

Satan has his own power(spirit) and uses it to do whatever he wants:

"Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the "spirit" that now "worketh"(act) in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others." (Ephesians 2:2-3).
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From that ^, we can see that the (spirit)power of satan is being use by him to do what he wants and is call, "spirit".

Yahweh has his on power to act and to will what ever he wants to do and is called the "Holy spirit", the most powerful force in the univers >>> Holy spirit.

Though Yahweh is a spirit person, his power is his Holy spirit.

The action of the holy spirit is Yahweh's doing things, be it by delegation or directly.

The Holy spirit is an exclusive control of Yahweh except when he Gives it to his servant like when he gave it to Jesus during his baptism and Jesus started performing miracles.

Peace.

Debroslink: [b]If no man has seen the Father, then who was Adam and Eve talking to face 2 face after eating the forbidden fruit?
Who appeared to Abraham along with 2 angels to pronounce the birth of Isaac and d doom of Sodom and Gomorrah?
Who was that man sitting on the Throne in the book of Ezekiel 1:26?
Who was that man Jacob fought with and later declared he fought with God?
When Jesus called God as His Father in John 5:18, why did the Jews try to stone him?
What is the relationship between Father and Son? Is it the same as the normal human father-son relationship?

Rev20:11 shows the Faithful and True as Jesus, yet Rev21:5 shows the Faithful and True as the One sitting on the throne?

Bible says Christ sits @ the right hand of God, but who sits @ His left hand? Holy Spirit? Or God doesn't have a left hand? Does Holy Spirit have his own throne different from God?

Debroslink: And lastly, I challenge anyone who says Jesus is not equal with the Father to differentiate between ISAIAH 44:6 and REV 22:12,13. [/b]

shdemidemi: ^^^ In this dispensation, the Age of Grace, it's not Jesus who does the baptizing but the Holy Spirit Who is the One doing the baptizing. And He baptizes believers into Christ. It's just a complete reversal to what had been taking place. You have to understand God is one with three entities within him, then the role of the Holy Spirit can then be fully understood.

benalvino: You have no clue what the trinity is... Trinity is one God. In genesis God said let us(plural) he also refer him self as plural. Then in Hebrew we later know that there is father and son... That's when the role or office of God was established to play different role in saving mankind... An example when the holyspirit come opon them and they all speak in tongues does it mean the only spirit is not 1 and he is plenty? Answer is nope... The holy spirit is one and can be in billions of people at once... That my friend is one of the mystery of God human mind can comprehend

nlMediator: In the common, non-spiritual usage of person, neither the spirit of man nor the spirit of the world is a person. But you make my point from Acts 5 when Peter told Ananias and his wife that they lied to the Holy Spirit. If the Spirit of God is like the spirit of man, it would make as much sense to say that one lied to the Holy Spirit as saying that one lied to the spirit of a human being. We don't use the latter, but Peter used the former. Because he recognizes that the Holy Spirit is more than a "force" or a "breath." He is a person that can be lied to.

benalvino: Ask your self if God is a spirit why does he have a spirit?

nlMediator: In the common, non-spiritual usage of person, neither the spirit of man nor the spirit of the world is a person. But you make my point from Acts 5 when Peter told Ananias and his wife that they lied to the Holy Spirit. If the Spirit of God is like the spirit of man, it would make as much sense to say that one lied to the Holy Spirit as saying that one lied to the spirit of a human being. We don't use the latter, but Peter used the former. Because he recognizes that the Holy Spirit is more than a "force" or a "breath." He is a person that can be lied to.

shdemidemi: all this name calling, all in the name of your ignorance...address the quotes and stop attacking me, I didn't write the bible. If the bible says he is God, tell me who you are to say otherwise?

vedaxcool: @maezaje

I ask you why did you start the thread? You don't know do you?, oh wait, to mock religion right? Ok have a nice time doing it, but when next you decide doing it, you should stop being like akpos rather be like a man that knows what he is doing, as I understand the aim is to ask how determine a right religion, I gave you a list of ways of verifying such,

As expected, unquatifiable level of sordid intelligence somehow managed to overshadow any semblance of sensible thinking in your post,

I ask you why did you start the thread? You don't know do you?, oh wait, to mock religion right?

As I understand the aim is to ask how to determine the right religion, .

I gave you a list of ways of verifying such, rather than you refute this ways you rush in your usual simpleton complex.


clearly u don't even know why you started this thread.

Even logicboy response made more sense than your ill thought response,

shdemidemi: My brother, I would have preferred it if you dealt with my post instead of looking for another verse that (you think)justifies your assertions. Anyway Jesus was man as much as he was God, the book of Mathew luke and john focussed on him being a son while the gospel of John is looking from the fact that Christ is God.

You need to understand Christ is not the king of the church but the king of the Jews, To the church, He is our Saviour, He's our Lord because we will be joint heirs with him. The Christ that walked through the face of the earth is the king of the jews, the Christ after resurrection is the lord. Study that and check it out, I believe you would understand the different characteristics of Christ from the beginning to the church age.

benalvino: didn't the bible say every authority was created through him and for him? therefore Jesus is God... that means the authority God have is for Jesus... remember the WORD is GOD.

shdemidemi: People like profane arguments. Christ said 1. I AM the Bread of life. 2. I AM the Light of the world. 3. I AM the Door of the sheep. 4. I AM the Good Shepherd. 5. I AM the Resurrection and the life. 6. I AM the way, the truth and the life. 7. I AM the True Vine. I AM the bright and morning Star. Any discerning person knows who Jesus Christ is from the economy of the old testament.

"Our God is one." Well, absolutely He's one, but we know from the rest of Scriptures that He is One in three Persons.
Isaiah 9:6,7

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given (flash ahead to John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son..." How did God give His Son? When He was born in Bethlehem): [/b]and the government shall be upon his shoulder [b](that glorious Kingdom that is going to come upon the earth, that's what all the Old Testament prophets were looking forward to. There will be a King of Kings and Lord of Lords Who will not only rule Israel but the whole world. It's going to be perfect): [/b]and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, the everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

[b]John 14:8,9

"Philip saith unto him, `Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.' Jesus saith unto him, `Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;...'"


They are One and the Same. The only difference is Christ is God the Father in human flesh and appearance.

ijawkid: apart from Jesus willingly choosing to come to the earth he been the son of God was under obligation to obey his God....



Jesus says he always does the things pleasing to his Father....

how can you say Jesus' submissions is voluntary...what utter nonsense is that.....



Jesus s subject to his God and Father because he has always been.....



please did 1 Corinthians 11:3 escape your notice......?...



the Father is head over Jesus forever .......Jesus' subjection to the Father is not a momentary one or one out of Just voluntary service....it is forever....stop twisting clear scriptures to equate Jesus with his God and Father...



for goodness sake Jesus is the servant of God....

benalvino: Jesus Gods spoke man is God...

benalvino: Let me help you... I do the will of my father who sent me. I don't see how the Word of God is not God still... even if you use spoke man you return back to the spoke man was God and became flesh and Dwell...

benalvino: Elijah etc... where God's spoke men too they were never the Word of God in john 1:1

benalvino: Jesus was not a man in heaven... a man cannot be the creator. and a thing cannot be the creator of all things...

benalvino: Son … himself … subject—not as the creatures are, but as a Son voluntarily subordinate to, though co-equal with, the Father.

benalvino: In the mediatorial kingdom, the Son had been, in a manner, distinct from the Father.

benalvino: Now, His kingdom shall merge in the Father's, with whom He is one; not that there is thus any derogation from His honor;

benalvino: for the Father Himself wills "that all should honor the Son, as they honor the Father"

benalvino: God … all in all—as Christ is all in all . Then, and not till then, "all things," without the least infringement of the divine prerogative, shall be subject to the Son, and the Son subordinate to the Father,

benalvino: while co-equally sharing His glory. Contrast

benalvino: Even the saints do not fully realize God as their "all" now, through desiring it; then each shall feel, God is all to me.

benalvino: Are you calling God a thing now? how can you make such statement? Jesus as a created thing cannot be the creator of everything... Anyhow you twist am jesus was never created... he is coeternal...

benalvino: except there was a time God never had word... and how can GOD create him self? if you say he created his own word.

benalvino: you cant grasp the fact that the Word became man.

benalvino: You ask what is the name of the Holy spirit... His name is the Holy spirit...