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striktlymi: Eternity does not have a starting point as far as God is concerned.

Enigma: ^^^

7. In fact they are the ones who originated the expression "the Bible"!

Zikkyy: the origin of the spring festival is pagan, what about the origin of the celebration of Jesus resurrection?

Zikkyy: You dey there? how did you know the worshiper was appeasing satan?

striktlymi: Good evening DBoy,



Do you know what it means to derail a thread? All I have done is respond to your posts and you call that derailing?



...and the 'holy spirit' revealed that to you?



You are indeed funny by the above. Go to a website to get answers? What is wrong with you giving answers? After-all, you created this thread. Note that the OP addressed very little!



Hasn't anyone told you that when you make an accusation on nairaland, you must be ready to back it up? Where exactly did I say you balance the law with grace?



Your premise is very flawed and based on sentiments as you have revealed already!



Thanks!

#Why is it easier to discuss with Atheists than Christians?

striktlymi: #Why is it easier to discuss with Atheists than Christians?

Ken4Christ: Please, all those that believe in the reality of hell, do all you can to enlighten people on this subject before the devil will continue to use people like frosbel to confuse unstable people. He is an agent of darkness disguised as a minister of righteousness. We should all remember that this are the last days.

Scriptures that teaches on the reality of hell as a place of torment where unbelievers are held in custody until the final judgment day are so overwhelming that no one can deny. In my next post, I will download all the scriptures that talks about hell and the source language of the translation. No honest person will go through these scriptures and continue to say there is no hell. if frosbel is honest why didn't answer enilove question.

The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath. (Proverbs 15:24)

Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. (Proverbs 23:14)

The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. (Psalms 9:17)


These verses alone conveys the massage.

frosbel, comment on this three verses. If hell is grave, do you need to beat a child to deliver the child from grave?

If hell is grave, why did the psalmist say, it is the wicked that shall be turn into hell.

You see that you have a problem. You only quote those verse that appears to justify your stand while ignoring others that contradicts your stand.

Believers, keep the faith. Don't let anyone deceive you.

Zikkyy: is my request that difficult to understand?

Zikkyy: "If we change the name of the Lord's supper to 'sango' today, will that make the Lord's supper of pagan origin?"

Kay 17: Back to the topic.

The Catholic Church was born upon the ascendancy of Peter on the seat of Rome, and his exercise of control over the Church's doctrines and bishops of other cities. Schisms from the Church, provide it the distinct character it has today.

Kay 17: I still maintain the Catholic Church is responsible for the compilation of the Bible, via a mandate from Tradition. Also that the reading of the Bible is not necessary for being a Christian.

Boomark: Good evening Str.

Let me teach you what it is to be deluded with bible and practical examples.

Jn 20:17
"...i am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God."

after showing you this and i ask you "do we share/have the same Father with Jesus"?

Being deluded because you have a false belief you are holding unto somewhere, you don't want to believe the truth Jesus said himself.

Another practical example pointing to your being deluded is this.

You have your own children and later adopted a boy. You became a Father to that boy. That boy and your own children share the same Father which is you. The rights and privileges of all your children differs.

Do you now see what it is like not to accept a known truth? It is equal to delusion.



If a families inheritance is Nigeria, and the 1st son got 35 states while the rest got 1 state. Is this not the same inheritance which they shared?

Do you see that you have been deluded catholic doctrine. Unless you don't know and may be you are new. It pains me to use that word. If na italo, i have no skin pain.

striktlymi: SENTIMENTS!!!

Pygru: Ijawkid and truthislight

Pls I need an answer to the following questions
Did Jesus christ Die on a stake or Cross

Is Michael the archangel Jesus

striktlymi: Now I know that you are just one very insincere individual!

striktlymi: Good morning truthislight,

I wonder since when wiktionary is now a substitute for a dictionary? You said my definition was wrong but you failed to show why it is wrong.

striktlymi: Good morning truthislight,

I wonder since when wiktionary is now a substitute for a dictionary? You said my definition was wrong but you failed to show why it is wrong.

This does not negate the fact that you accused me falsely and I repeat that this is at the least very insincere and un-Christlike.

You should study why it is said that God is eternal. The eternal existence of God is never futuristic! God is Eternal because he has no beginning and no end. The life he has is Eternal for this same reason.

The fact that we tap into this Eternal life of God at some point does not make it futuristic. Unless you are saying that God's Eternal life started at some future date which is grossly erroneous.

#Learn to put sentiments aside when discussing the word of God!

ijawkid: No mind am........italo and his ilks are ever ready to hold on to what ever is pagan.......just about anything..........

Zikkyy: Reading this your long post, i don't see anything here that says easter celebration (celebration of Jesus resurrection) is of pagan origin. abi you don't know what it means to say a celebration is of pagan origin?

Freksy: Some sources claim the word Easter is derived from Eostre, a Teutonic goddess of spring and fertility.
For the above to be true there must be remnants of paganism in Easter celebration today. Interestingly, the last paragraph from the link provided by italo shows that over the centuries various folk customs and pagan traditions, including Easter eggs, bunnies, baskets and candy, have become a standard part of this holy holiday.


Do other sources agree with the evidence provided by italo's link that pagan traditons have become a standard part of Easter? The answer is, YES!

The Catholic Encyclopedia tells us: "A great many pagan customs, celebrating the return of spring, gravitated to Easter. The egg is the emblem of the germinating life of early spring. . . . The rabbit is a pagan symbol and has always been an emblem of fertility."—(1913), Vol. V, p. 227.


"Everywhere they hunt the many-colored Easter eggs, brought by the Easter rabbit. This is not mere child's play, but the vestige of a fertility rite, the eggs and the rabbit both symbolizing fertility."—Funk & Wagnalls Standard Dictionary of Folklore Mythology and Legend (New York, 1949), Volume 1, page 335.


"Easter. Originally the spring festival in honor of the Teutonic goddess of light and spring known in Anglo-Saxon as Eastre. As early as the 8th century the name was transferred by the Anglo-Saxons to the Christian festival designed to celebrate the resurrection of Christ."—The Westminster Dictionary of the Bible (Philadelphia, 1944), by John D. Davis, page 145.


In the book The Two Babylons, by Alexander Hislop, we read: "What means the term Easter itself? It is not a Christian name. It bears its Chaldean origin on its very forehead. Easter is nothing else than Astarte, one of the titles of Beltis, the queen of heaven, whose name, . . . as found by Layard on the Assyrian monuments, is Ishtar. . . . Such is the history of Easter. The popular observances that still attend the period of its celebration amply confirm the testimony of history as to its Babylonian character. The hot cross buns of Good Friday, and the dyed eggs of Pasch or Easter Sunday, figured in the Chaldean rites just as they do now."—(New York, 1943), pp. 103, 107, 108;


"The children gather firewood, the men build fires, and the women mix dough to bake cakes for the goddess they call the Queen of Heaven. They also pour out offerings of wine to other gods, in order to hurt me." Jeremiah 7:18 The Goodnews Catholic Bible (GNTCE)


Easter Bunny
In Europe, the hare has long been a traditional symbol of Easter. (In North America, the animal is a rabbit—a close relative of the hare.) Yet The New Encyclopædia Britannica explains that the hare was "the symbol of fertility in ancient Egypt." Thus when children hunt for Easter eggs, supposedly brought by the Easter rabbit, "this is not mere child's play, but the vestige of a fertility rite."—Funk & Wagnalls Standard Dictionary of Folklore, Mythology and Legend, volume 1, page 335.


"The Bible makes no mention of a long-eared, short-tailed creature who delivers decorated eggs to well-behaved children on Easter Sunday; nevertheless, the Easter bunny has become a prominent symbol of Christianity's most important holiday. The exact origins of this mythical mammal are unclear, but rabbits, known to be prolific procreators, are an ancient symbol of fertility and new life... " http://www.history.com/topics/easter-symbols (Through your link, http://www.history.com/topics/history-of-easter)


Easter Eggs
"Easter is a religious holiday, but some of its customs, such as Easter eggs, are likely linked to pagan traditions. The egg, an ancient symbol of new life, has been associated with pagan festivals celebrating spring. From a Christian perspective, Easter eggs are said to represent Jesus' emergence from the tomb and resurrection. Decorating eggs for Easter is a tradition that dates back to at least the 13th century, according to some sources. One explanation for this custom is that eggs were formerly a forbidden food during the Lenten season, so people would paint and decorate them to mark the end of the period of penance and fasting, then eat them on Easter as a celebration...."
http://www.history.com/topics/easter-symbols (Through your link, http://www.history.com/topics/history-of-easter)


Easter Candy
"Easter is the second best-selling candy holiday in America, after Halloween. Among the most popular sweet treats associated with this day are chocolate eggs, which date back to early 19th century Europe. Eggs have long been associated with Easter as a symbol of new life and Jesus' resurrection. Another egg-shaped candy, the jelly bean, became associated with Easter in the 1930s (although the jelly bean's origins reportedly date all the way back to a Biblical-era concoction called a Turkish Delight)...."
www.history.com/topics/easter-symbols (Through your link, http://www.history.com/topics/history-of-easter)


Easter Parade
"In New York City, the Easter Parade tradition dates back to the mid-1800s, when the upper crust of society would attend Easter services at various Fifth Avenue churches then stroll outside afterward, showing off their new spring outfits and hats...." http://www.history.com/topics/easter-symbols (Through your, link http://www.history.com/topics/history-of-easter)

Bidam: ermmm..sorry sir but this is also false.

ijawkid: Who are u??....have we finished with the previous topics??.....it seems you're someone I know hiding behind a new I.D.....be bold enough to show yaself............

Goshen360: @ Enigma, Truthislight & Others,


I strongly accept that, that fornication (#2) included in the meaning of 'porneia' to be what Christ said in Matthew 19:9, that is 'OUTSIDE' but let's see if the secular dictionary is right to fit into the word of God as per the 'BEFORE' marriage. How do we find that out? Since we have a reference from Matthew 19:9 to mean 'outside' of already existing marriage.

Goshen360: The questions I then want you (Enigma), truthislight and others, even Alwaystrue to answer is, if it means "outside" of already existing marriage bound, can it also mean "before" a marriage AT THE SAME TIME?.

Goshen360: If it can, then we\I will need a reference to that from scriptures. That's the only way to prove reference to the "before" marriage issue as that is the point of contention here for now.

Goshen360: ^

The second point raised by truthislight is,



^ @ the above, I honestly and sincerely 'reason' with truthislight to be true and here's where the issue I'm talking about comes in - that is, when or where both ends up in marriage. The questions I wanna ask here as per ^ truthislight above is, if or in the case (with few exception) where both end up in marriage, having had sexx before the actual 'ceremonial', will it or can such act of 'before' still be termed 'fornication'?

Goshen360: If yes, scriptures reference please!

Goshen360: If no, then I hope you guys can now see what I've been saying since.

Goshen360: I know say na so so dowry una woman dey shout or dey after . Maybe ne eim make that your other sister abi na brother eim be sef, Alwaystrue dey after me on this subject. Na who wan pay the man dowry na? If you dey cry for your own dowry? Anyway, like I said earlier, I'm divorced to the law of Moses and married to the law of Christ by the Spirit of Life. Under the Torah, the law of Moses, dowry is just an acceptance fee charged for pre-marital sexx. Turn the other side of the coin and what will you have? Will that mean that, if the man no chop the thing, will you also accept that he shouldn't\doesn't pay your dowry? .....anyway, that was just a joke.

Okay, come back to the matter at hand, you know say I like joke sometimes, no mind me o. The focus here is, if you both have sexx having gone through what I said in the explanation, will that mean fornication? Dowry or no dowry? That's the point we're focusing on. If it doesn't define it to be fornication, then there shouldn't be 'religious' guilt and condemnation whatsoever, after all, una wan live una lives together till death do you both apart.

Na your response na eim wake me up again o. Make I go sleep again,

Goshen360: Here, by Christ, it show that the woman in this context is 'already' married to a man and becomes a wife and she went OUTSIDE.....the bound of her marriage to have se.xual inter.course. Then Christ says she commits fornication. Christ places this sin of fornication AFTER, not PRE or BEFORE marriage. Therefore, we see that the correct meaning when people say fornication is sexx OUTSIDE of marriage to be correct

Goshen360: not PRE but AFTER one is already in a marriage.

Goshen360: Yes, sexx OUTSIDE of marriage is fornication but in what context?

Goshen360: PRE or AFTER? What defines the "OUTSIDE"? It is not we but Christ!

Goshen360: Therefore, for something to be said that one commits something illegal or illicit or unlawful, it must FIRST mean that one is doing something against an existing legal system

Goshen360: Back to all the points I've been saying, at this stage of time passed courtship, both have not decided to get married and both parents have known the sister or brother and both parents have accepted with their consent to both parties, if these Christians do have sexx at this kind of stage, there are not committing fornication as there is no binding yet for one of them to commit against.

Goshen360: 2. 'If' by chance, without leaving out some exceptional case, then I will say again, both of you, the brother & sister had been deceiving yourself. Goshen, how do you mean? The brother comes first to speak to the sister initially that God revealed you (sister) is gonna be my wife and you, sister said you gonna pray about it. You came back and said, YES, God told me to agree. Now, you're now splitting. So God is now the author of your confusion or deception or both of you deceiving y'self? .....perhaps, after sleeping with yourself? or at last minutes, brother or sister said I'm no more interested. What! Who did you said told you in the first place? And you sister, who did you said you prayed to in the first place?

Goshen360: Therefore, when I said, time must have passed, commitments must have been made, God must have been involved, both parents must have been involved and accepted to both intending to marry, then I do not honestly see where such courtship should not end in marriage.

engineerboat: Now you are showing your true colour, so you find this as an avenue to lash out at DEEPER LIFE, of where your river flow, once again WHAT DRIVES YOU AWAY FROM deeper life, and where did you attend now, IN YOUR HONEST MIND, answer this questions

engineerboat: @ truthlight,
If I may ask you, what drives you away from deeper life, and where are did you attend now, you answer to this simple questions will be very appreciated.

truthislight: eternal

(philosophy) existing outside time; as opposed to sempiternal,


1. existing within time but everlastingly
Synonyms:
(lasting forever; unending): permanent,


2. sempiternal, endless, everlasting
(existing outside time, philosophy): timeless,

http://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/eternal#section_1

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we are humans and live Withing time, as such the "philosophical" definition of eternal of when Jesus became our father is not necessary here(outside time) but a definition "Withing time" since human has a start.

Under definition 1 above we have this as sysnonyms:
(lasting forever; unending): permanent,
= futuristic.
Thanks

italo: Okay, let me take your own advice.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/eternal e·ter·nal [ih-tur-nl]
adjective
1.
without beginning or end; lasting forever; always existing ( opposed to temporal ): eternal life.

http://www.freedictionary.org/?Query=eternal Eternal \E*ter"nal\, a. [F. ['e]ternel, L. aeternalis, fr.
aeternus. See Etern.]
1. Without beginning or end of existence; always existing.
[1913 Webster]

The eternal God is thy refuge. --Deut.
xxxiii. 27.
[1913 Webster]

And my Jesus is the ETERNAL FATHER. Alleluia!

striktlymi: Good evening truthislight,

It is best that you keep your sentiments when we are discussing the word of God. If you are confused about the definition I gave for eternal, why not ask?

It is very un-Christlike to accuse first and think later!

italo: Okay, let me take your own advice.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/eternal e·ter·nal [ih-tur-nl]
adjective
1.
without beginning or end; lasting forever; always existing ( opposed to temporal ): eternal life.

http://www.freedictionary.org/?Query=eternal Eternal \E*ter"nal\, a. [F. ['e]ternel, L. aeternalis, fr.
aeternus. See Etern.]
1. Without beginning or end of existence; always existing.
[1913 Webster]

The eternal God is thy refuge. --Deut.
xxxiii. 27.
[1913 Webster]

And my Jesus is the ETERNAL FATHER. Alleluia!

Enigma: 1. The post above says The Holy Spirit is God.

Conclusion = The Holy Spirit is God AND The Father is God!

Question: How then can God be ONE or do we have TWO Gods?


2. The post says The Holy Spirit is God. But Jesus says He will send and did send the Holy Spirit!

Question: can Jesus be smaller or lower in stature (or being or person) than the Holy Spirit ---- if He is sending the Holy Spirit?

EDIT: in other words Jesus who is "not" God is sending the Holy Spirit who IS God! A man, just a man, sending God!