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frosbel: Nay to the above !

"Look at my hands. Look at my feet. You can see that it's really me. Touch me and make sure that I am not a ghost, because ghosts don't have bodies, as you see that I do." - Luke 24:39

Jesus Christ resurrected 100% bodily through the Power of the Holy Spirit.

That this body is spiritual does not imply he is a spirit, but that this body is not like the former which was subject to corruption, rather this is an incorruptible body that cannot decay or ever see death.

"For our dying bodies must be transformed into bodies that will never die; our mortal bodies must be transformed into immortal bodies." - 1 Corinthians 15:53

The beauty of the resurrection is that saved followers of the King are raised bodily , and their bodies are transformed into glorious ones that are incorruptible.

"It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." (1 Corinthians 15:44-45).

"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption." (1 Corinthians 15:50).

We have:
1. Spirit creatures. (spirit persons)
2. God's holy spirit(exclusively of almighty God control)

while we human have hands and legs to move and get things done, spirit creatures hands and legs and power is also called "spirit(eg, see Ephesians2:2)

Pygru: Holy Spirit

They deny the personality of the holy spirit Just to rubbish the Trinity.
How can you say the Holy Spirit is an active force like radar
If the Holy Spirit is simply a force then...
Why dem call am God ( Acts 5:3-5 )?
Acts 5:3-5
New International Version (NIV)
3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?
4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”
5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened.

The disciples (including Ananias) received the Holy spirit in them, they were supposed to summit/be led by the spirit they received.
When he and his wife deliberately connive to work against the leading of the/that the "spirit" they received in them directs, they worked against/sinned against the "Holy spirit".

That Holy spirit is God's Holy spirit, it belongs to the almighty God, (God had sent it to christ after his baptism, dont forget)
When someone having that "holy spirit" deliberately work in opposition to that God's Holy spirit, he has sinned against the (God's) Holy spirit and there is No one else that can free him(forgive) that person since his matter is Against the almighty God himself(the owner of the holy spirit) = ^ sinning against the holy spirit.
did i miss any "person"? (Holyspirit?), i dont think so.

Pygru: How him take be teacher ( John 14:26 )?
King James Version (KJV)
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you

^ It enables the recipient to perform beyond what he would have been able to attain in accordance with the will of God. And a medium of sending info to the recipant from God.

Pygru: How you fit Blasphame am ( Matt. 12:31 , 32 )?
Matthew 12:31-32
King James Version (KJV)
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world tocome

like in the instance of the pherisees, a deliberate twisting of an obvious action/evidence consistent with the scriptures and performed by the almight God's Holy spirit(power), like the deliberate attribution of Jesus miracle to satan even though they knew otherwise. (Jesus had received the holy spirit after his baptism and used it in doing all he did).

Pygru: Comforter ( Acts9:31 )?
Acts 9:31
King James Version (KJV)
31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.

The peace and rest that result from following the leading of God's Holy spirit. God's direction.

Pygru: How come he fit Talk ( Acts 28:25 )?
Acts 28:25
King James Version (KJV)
25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers

"by Isaiah", just like James spoke in Acts15:28 > through people > people being led by the holy spirit(being led by God's power).

Note:
satan also have his power(spirit) and also leads people:
"Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:" (Ephesians 2:2).

Pygru: How come you fit resist am ( Acts 7:51 )?
Acts 7:51
King James Version (KJV)
51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye

Human are freewill agents.
God can give you a direction but you are very free to follow or refused.
God doing that is through his Holy spirit(his power).

Pygru: How can a force be grieved ( Eph. 4:30 )?
Ephesians 4:30
King James Version (KJV)
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption

who is it source?(holy spirit)

^ = Carrying on sinning and Resisting the leading by God's (holy spirit) by a recipiant that result in God withdrewing his spirit from such a one = grieving of the spirit.
Also note that the source of the holy spirit is the father and it is the working of the father in the person.
Grieving of the "spirit" of God is also a pointer to how it source sees your actions.

consider:
paul sent a letter to the corinthians and said "his spirit is with them", if they refuse his letter who will feel grieved? The letter or paul?
(1cor.5:3-5).

Pygru: How he fit help Us when we weak ( Rom. 8:26 )?
Romans 8:26
King James Version (KJV)
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

same as above = part of the working and help God provides and directs the spiritual man.

Pygru: If you still insist that He is a Force, then how is He able to exhibit those Xteristics?

Does a Force speak, teach and comfort

How can a Force be blasphamed

It is the working of the sender.

The holy spirit is from a source = the father.
It is the father that gave it to the son.

Think and remember the sender.
Peace.

Zikkyy: Am sorry, but questions like this I don't answer. You should take it upstairs.

Do you mean "your Oga at the top"?

Would that be the pope?

italo: What are you trying to say? That Jesus is not The Eternal Father? Who was Isaiah talking about then?

"Eternal" has nothing to do with indefinit past or "without beginning".

Yes Jesus is eternal father with a beginning of the father hood, but without ending.

Can you try using a dictionary please, to confirm the word "eternal".
Thanks you.

striktlymi: [size=15pt]Sentiments!!! Sacred scriptures was not written cause of sentiments[/size]

What exactly and where do you see this sentiments?

Smh for you.

Cant you defend your beliefs?

Do you mind showing the "sentiments" you are talking about from his posts?

striktlymi: Good morning Ij,

The post above is a summary of what inspires your teachings against the Trinity: emotions, sentiments, private interpretations of Sacred scriptures and being stuck to an idea that you have been made to believe.

Anyways, like I mentioned before, my goal is not to make you see that the Trinity teaching is correct. I have read your arguments on the matter and have determined that your stance does not explain what is in sacred scriptures.

Repetitive arguments that lead nowhere are kinda boring and really that is not my thing...the best that can happen is say so many words at the expense of meaning.

Thanks for the conversation.

#Look on the bright side, whenever you say the Trinity teaching has been debunked, I now know where your argument stems from

how can you have wrong definitions and wish to belief that you are on the right? > "Eternal".

I had been reading but this got me wandering your explanations and meaning of the word " Eternal" father.

striktlymi: ...and your private interpretation of Sacred scriptures tells you that Christ was called the Eternal Father because he is the last Adam? Eternal means something that exists without beginning or end. The assumption of Christ as the new Adam has a beginning and it obviously does not fit into the profile of an Eternal father. Go research what it means to be Eternal.

Ah! The above is incorrect > "Eternal".

Eternal = without ceasing, without an end, lasting forever, not changing.

eternal is futuristic.
Eg. Human will be given eternal life(does not mean that we had existed indefinitely in the past without beginning) means that hence, there will be no ending to such human life).

Please, teach the truth and not fraud.

striktlymi: Since God is not mysterious to you, can you please tell us where he came from and what colour he is? While you are at it, please tell us which kind of sports he prefers, is it football? Volley ball? Ice hockey? etc.

of what value are those ^ questions?

Are you playing games?

Does the bible cover such info?

How does those questions explain your trinity?

Smh for you. :

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Pygru: https://www.nairaland.com/1246195/false-prophet#15069821

lol. ^
Dude!

Pygru: Holy Spirit
They deny the personality of the holy spirit Just to rubbish the Trinity.
How can you say the Holy Spirit is an active force like radar
If the Holy Spirit is simply a force then...
Why dem call am God ( Acts 5:3-5 )?

How him take be teacher ( John 14:26 )?

How you fit Blasphame am ( Matt. 12:31 , 32 )?

Comforter ( Acts9:31 )?

How come he fit Talk ( Acts 28:25 )?

How come you fit resist am ( Acts 7:51 )?

How can a force be grieved ( Eph. 4:30 )?

How he fit help Us when we weak ( Rom. 8:26 )?

If you still insist that He is a Force, then how is He able to exhibit those Xteristics?

Does a Force speak, teach and comfort

How can a Force be blasphamed

Is that all?

Why not quote out the scriptures instead of talking into it?

You should have confidently had allowed the scriptures do the talking. No?

tobechi20: I NORMALLY USE TWO TECNIQUES.

JOSE MOURINHO COUNTER ATTACK APPROACH ; HERE, I AM A BIT DEFENSIVE BUT MOSTLY THROW IN QUESTIONS TO THE PROTESTANT TO KEEP HIM OFF BALANCE. THE BEST FORM OF DEFENCE IS ATTACK


GUARDIOLA MILDFIELD APPROACH ; HERE, WE TABLE THE MATA N THE FLOOR AND USE THE PROTESTANT ONLY TOOL; BIBLE TO ANALYSE THE ISSUE AT HAND. WE USE THE BIBLE TO SPECIFY OUR INDIVIDUAL BELIEF.

Is this ^ religion aiming to give out the "truth"?

Na wao!

tobechi20: THE AIM OF THIS THREAD IS FOR CATHOLICS IN THE HOUSE TO SAY THE STRATEGIES THEY OFTEN US IN DIALOGUING WITH PROTESTANTS


Far too often, in evangelizing conversations, the Protestant stays on the offensive and the Catholic stays on the defensive.
the Protestant fires off barrage of accusations. THE CATHOLIC TRIES TO DEFEND EACH ONE AFTER THE OTHER.

The problem is not with the Catholic Church, but with the structure of the conversationthis method often doesnt yield fruit. playing a defensive game always put the attacker on the advantage since he has nothing to looose

Mother and child(daughter) who should be asking questions and who should be answering based on experience?

Smh for you.
*sigh

Goshen360: Oga Bidam, you know say when man dey for hot seat like the one them put me so, na to dey yarn rubbish sometimes like it happened to Obadiah777 then ^ Seriouly, I don't keep such memories, too many things in my life as activities going on. I'm too busy for that. But thanks for saying it though.

I think you should say what should build others up and leave this thread.

The law of God is perfect if followed, if any christian should follow the laws of yahweh he will NEVER step into harm like picking up a veneral disease or HIV from sex.

But such ^ cannot be said with your option of sex without marriage since it can lead to multiple partners due to the failures of former engagement where sex was introduce.

The state of the world today is evident to that ^ over stepping or lack of it thereof.

The essence of witnesses and consent is to prevent abuse of marriage.

It is my view that you say something and leave the thread and let us move to something else.

If your "haters" if any should take things out of the intent we call good, it will be addressed.

There is always what we call a learning point for someone honest.
Peace.
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(be weary of that your friend that came up with this)

*the fear of God is always the beginning of wisdom*

Goshen360: First, my brother. Like I said, it is religion and the law keepers that gave all those separations. To understand this subject, we need to first find out where in scripture were these laws categorized. Does the people who received them gave upper preference on the 10 than the others? Remember, when the law is spoken of in the New Testament, it is spoken as a whole and one, not categorized. Let's start from their first.

2. To further answer your #2 question, sexxual sins etc and the likes you found in the law of Moses and also found in the New Testament are NOT saying that because Moses said so, but is saying that in the Spirit of the New Testament not as though the law of Moses said it. The Sabbath is one of the 10, do Christians follow it? To break one is to be guilty of all. Hence, we don't do such things because it said by Moses but because our new nature is dead to sin and fulfill those instructions in the Spirit of the New Testament.

The law of moses is a shadow of the reality that is to come, it helps us to see the mind and insight into what he wants. though we are not under law we yet still know how to please God based on what he had said and accepted in the past even his judgement.

Grace means we will not face instant/capital punishment as it were under the law, however, grace or "undeserved kindness" does not means we do the things we know he(yahweh) does hate since that will mean that we have a wicked heart and abuse of the Grace.

such ^ abused of God's "undeserved kindness" extended to us judges us unfit for his kingdom.

All those ^ gives us christians insight into our walk with God.

Christianity is not lawlessnes.

May we not go beyond what is written.

striktlymi: Good morning please,

If indeed there is any 'neutral' party to the present discuss who intends to learn from whatever is posted here, my candid advise is for you to seek your answers somewhere else. Nairaland is hardly a place to 'get it all together'!!!

Confusions MUST come when dealing with 'private' interpretations of sacred scriptures. It is almost impossible to know where the truth really is, especially when you are one who is having a hard time listening to the promptings of the spirit.

There is a simple rule of thumb you can adopt when faced with this kind of difficulty. The simple question is: 'What do I stand to gain or lose from carrying out an activity?'.

If I have pre-marital s*x and it is wrong, what do I lose? Probably my soul! If on the other hand I avoid pre-marital s*x and I am wrong, what do I stand to lose? Probably nothing but some pleasures that will pass away! If I don't have pre-marital s*x and remain a virgin, what do I gain? Nothing or something?? Is the gain or loss worth the risk??

#What you decide to do with your life is your choice!


Thank you!

the scripture says that we should have our own wife so that we dont encroached on the right of another man.

If you had decided to have sex with a woman you are yet to mary and Ended up not marrying her, had you not encroached on the right of her now husband?

The man that slept with your now wife, has he not encroached on your right also?

How does God view all this?

(Same for the women)

This is the sense in which the word fornication is use in the bible:

truthislight: fornication is a seriouse sin and fornicators will not inherit God's kingdom the bible says.

Fornication = Gross sexual misconduct and it covers all aspect of ilicit sex = porneia.

The Greek word porneia that fornication is drawn from has the sense of giving one self to lust or lewdness/debauchery, incest, bestiality, adultery, unmarried sex. Abused of Sex from God's stand point as recorded in his word = fornication. Unrestrained sex.
Matt.5:32, 19:9. 1Cor.6:9. Lev.20:10,13,16;
Romans1:24,26,27,32. Mark7:21,22. Etc.


also porneuo = ponography(lexicon of the greek language)

this ^ reminds one of when Jesus said that anyone that keeps on looking at a woman as to have passion for her in his heart has committed fornication already with her in his heart.


fornication = sinning Against ones body, every other sin is outside ones body.(sex)


If someone has his own view does not mean i agreed with it.

Besides, fornicators will not inherit God's kingdom.

Peace.

https://www.nairaland.com/1239719/questions-frosbel-tithing/9#1239719.31

If mere looking at a woman as to developed a passion for her means to commit fornication, how can the actual s.ex without marriage not be a sin?

You are on your own.

This is the sense in which the word fornication is use in the bible:

truthislight: fornication is a seriouse sin and fornicators will not inherit God's kingdom the bible says.

Fornication = Gross sexual misconduct and it covers all aspect of ilicit sex = porneia.

The Greek word porneia that fornication is drawn from has the sense of giving one self to lust or lewdness/debauchery, incest, bestiality, adultery, unmarried sex. Abused of Sex from God's stand point as recorded in his word = fornication. Unrestrained sex.
Matt.5:32, 19:9. 1Cor.6:9. Lev.20:10,13,16;
Romans1:24,26,27,32. Mark7:21,22. Etc.


also porneuo = ponography(lexicon of the greek language)

this ^ reminds one of when Jesus said that any that keeps on looking at a woman as to have passion for her has committed fornication already with her in his heart


fornication = sinning Against ones body, every other sin is outside ones body.(sex)


If someone has his own view does not mean i agreed with it.

Besides, fornicators will not inherit God's kingdom.

Peace.

If mere looking at a woman as to develop a passion for her means to commit fornication, how can the actual s.ex without marriage not be a sin?

You are on your own.

okeyxyz: Nice, beautifully done and deserving of a like for presentation(Yes, I liked your post. ). But I am a 100-percent christian, not a LAW-practitioner which(LAW) is abolished and dead to me. So if this law is dead to me(Or I dead to this law), then why should i go back to subject myself to it's dictates? I make myself a sinner when I do so.

Whatever you want to belief is your cup of tea, but we know what the word forncation means and that it includes sex between two unmarried people.

See:

truthislight: Sex befor marriage is a sin!

Dont push this!

In Israel, sex between two unmarried person called for stoning to death.

A woman after marriage that was found not to be a virgin was to be stone to death.

And that ^ is sinning against "ones body".

"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body." (1 Corinthians 6:18).
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^^^

premarital sex is a sin against one body also.
unmarried people>
See:

"What? know ye not that he that is joined to an harlot is one body? for the two, said he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit." (1 Corinthians 6:16-17).
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^^ unmarried.

In israel unmarried sex are to be put to death when caught.
Peace

who is considered a harlot/who.re in Israel?:

"Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the wh.ore in her father’s house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you." (Deuteronomy 22:21).

So, with that ^, premarital sex was unacceptable.

It is not what we think, but how yahweh looks at it.

The NT writers were Jews and knew what abuse of sex entails.

Bidam: hmmmn God's standard except of cos TITHES..

tithing has been put to an end in the NT. Hebrew 7.

truthislight: Sex befor marriage is a sin!

Dont push this!

In Israel, sex between two unmarried person called for stoning to death.

A woman after marriage that was found not to be a virgin was to be stone to death.

And that ^ is sinning against "ones body".

"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body." (1 Corinthians 6:18).
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^^^

premarital sex is a sin against one body also.
unmarried people>
See:

"What? know ye not that he that is joined to an harlot is one body? for the two, said he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit." (1 Corinthians 6:16-17).
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^^ unmarried.

In israel unmarried sex are to be put to death when caught.
Peace

who is considered a harlot/who.re in Israel?:

"Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the wh.ore in her father’s house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you." (Deuteronomy 22:21).

So, with that ^, premarital sex was unacceptable.

It is not what we think, but how yahweh looks at it.

Bidam: You are quoting the OT...according to our dear oga gosh..the OT has been done away with...why quote it for him.

Fornication has not been done away with.

This are things that constitute fornication befor God.

Fornication is a large word that covers a large sense of sex abuse from God's stand point.

The writers of the NT are Jews, so they know what constitute sex.ual abuse = fornication.

Freksy: Bros how u dey? It's been long!

Am fine o!

How about you, hope well?
Good to see you doing the good work.

In Israel, marriages are suppose to be entered by the mates as virgins.

Once a man sleeps with a woman in israel he MUST marry her:

(Deuteronomy 22:28-30).
"If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humiliated her, he may not put her away all his days. A man shall not take his father’s wife, nor discover his father’s skirt." (Deuteronomy 22:28-30).
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With that ^ there was no room to sleep with different partners as is done today in the name of marriage as is common today.

Since the girls must marry as a virgin otherwise she risk being pelted with stones if she enters into a marriage without being a virgin.

The christian does well to ensure marriage. How?

By starting out with sex?

What if the engagement should fail?
See:

(Deuteronomy 22:13-21).

"If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a virgin: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel’s virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel’s father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her; And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter as a virgin; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter’s virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;
And they shall amerce(penalise) him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days. But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the LovePeddler in her father’s house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you." (Deuteronomy 22:13-21).

That ^ is God's standard on the matter, but men will always want to suit themself.
Has God changed?

Smh.

Once a man sleeps with a woman in israel he must marry her:

"If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. A man shall not take his father’s wife, nor discover his father’s skirt." (Deuteronomy 22:28-30).
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With that there was no room to sleep with different partners as is done today in the name of marriage as is common today.

The christian does well to ensure marriage. How?
By starting out with sex?

What if the engagement should fail?
See:

(Deuteronomy 22:13-21).

"If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel’s virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel’s father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her; And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter’s virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;
And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days. But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the LovePeddler in her father’s house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you." (Deuteronomy 22:13-21).

That ^ is God's standard on the matter.

Goshen360: ^ The answer to your question is NO, that is NOT fornication.


You will need to show us\me that fornication is sex.ual intercourse between 'unmarried people who are to marry each other'. I have given you the meaning of fornication and it doesn't extend to two people (male & female) who wants to marry themselves, committed to marrying themselves. That's what you're still not getting, you're extending the meaning. And please, feel free to quote me also.

Sex befor marriage is a sin!

Dont push this!

In Israel, sex between two unmarried person called for stoning to death.

A woman after marriage that was found not to be a virgin was to be stone to death.

And that ^ is sinning against "ones body".

"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body." (1 Corinthians 6:18).
.................................
^^^

premarital sex is a sin against one body also.
unmarried people>
See:

"What? know ye not that he that is joined to an harlot is one body? for the two, said he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit." (1 Corinthians 6:16-17).
..............................

^^ unmarried.

In israel unmarried sex are to be put to death when caught.
Peace

Alwaystrue: Possibly a lot of people here have been wondering where my questions to Goshen are leading to as I asked questions ranging from circumcision to bestiality.

Now Goshen, the beloved of the anti-tithe crew believes that Christians have nothing to do with the law, infact he says the church should follow eveything from the book of Acts to Revelation forgetting that Jesus brought grace and truth of that law.

If people obey the simple law of God that then shall a man leave his father and mother and cling to his wife since he made man male and female, they will become one flesh. There is no room for bestiality when one has s.exual intercouse with only one's spouse. Even the law endorses and bears it witness. Paul referenced the law often but those holier than others won't touch it with a long pole.

However, Goshen here believes that you need not be married to enjoy this act specially meant for the married. Infact he says it is not sin and this is not fornication because fornication is illicit sex hence, sleeping with someone else's daughter or son when they have not been given in marriage (as long as they have consented) is not illicit.
And I know all those in support of Goshen will see nothing wrong in this as their 'pastor' does no wrong.

Any objective eye will see that the anti-tithe crew do not find fault in their heretic teachings amongst themselves, they do not correct themselves or pat each other Backs even when wrong and anyone who is against tithe even atheist are their brothers and friends.

Thank you.

I dont know why you brought those ^ up now, but fornication is a seriouse sin and fornicators will not inherit God's kingdom the bible says.

Fornication = Gross sexual misconduct and it covers all aspect of ilicit sex = porneia.

The Greek word porneia that fornication is drawn from has the sense of giving one self to lust or lewdness/debauchery, incest, bestiality, adultery, unmarried sex. Abused of Sex from God's stand point as recorded in his word = fornication. Unrestrained sex.
Matt.5:32, 19:9. 1Cor.6:9. Lev.20:10,13,16;
Romans1:24,26,27,32. Mark7:21,22. Etc.


also porneuo = ponography(lexicon of the greek language)

fornication = sinning Against ones body, every other sin is outside ones body.(sex)


If someone has his own view does not mean i agreed with it.

Besides, fornicators will not inherit God's kingdom.

Peace.

Zikkyy: The definition will tell you the purpose:

1. Guideline:
a). a detailed plan or explanation to guide you in setting standards or determining a course of action
b). a rule or principle that provides guidance to appropriate behavior

source: the freedictionary

also: a general rule, principle, or piece of advice. source: oxford dictionaries

2. Checklist: a list of all the things you need to do or consider. source: Macmillan dictionary

guideline is advisory while checklist details a complete listing of everything that needs to be done. you are very correct to say the apostles letters serves as guide.

...and you can stop shaking your head now

smh for you.

All i can tell you is, life is involve in this things.

Alwaystrue: It has all been explained to you, you refuse to see past the letter of the law. That is why you cannot answer simple questions.

No! You have explain nothing!

The way that the worker eats of his effort/temple was clearly shown by Jesus, that the disciple should eat whatever was presented to them and not your empire idea where other disciples will come and pay tith to you.

What Jesus and paul said fitted into the commision to "go and make disciples of people of all nations".

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations," (Matthew 28:19).

And

"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. " (Matthew 24:14).
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That ^ is what real true christianity(followers of christ) should fit into.

But i am afraid, your empire building project were other decisples, instead of making others disciples, will go working to pay you tith is off it.

Christ said that all are brothers and disciples.

Meaning, i teach others just as i was taught starting from christ and it continues.

The priesthood is a futuristic thing:

"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." (Revelation 20:6).
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For now, all are to make all disciples in whatever way possible.


What you people have in mind of some people bringing tith "money" to you is fraud and a derailment of what christ sent his decisples to do and is = fraud.

No wonder the output is negative on the society.

Alwaystrue: Then next thing when you run around and confuse yourself you will say Christ was still under the law hence all he said is meant for the time of the law.

Yes, the law was inforce when christ said those words, besides, christ was using the law to measure the pharisees since that was the standard they hard and operated.

You should be ashamed that you can only use that ^ to justify your fraud.

Why not keep the rest of the laws as the pherisees did?

Zikkyy: ...and that's what the letters were for; to serve as guide to followers of Christ. the problem is that you use the letters as checklist.

What is the purpose of a checklist and a guide?

Smh for you.

Zikkyy: which one be "Dont go beyond what is written" so somebody rejoicing over Jesus resurrection is now a sin abi? it is now a sin to rejoice abi? it is not written that people should rejoice abi? you have to show us the book you are reading o! kindly provide evidence where it is stated that rejoicing is a sin

Why not ask Aron and the Israelites that Decided for themself how to worship and celebrate("rejoys" ) ?
*sigh*

chukwudi44: What does that have to do with the bible? Don't forget the apostles never used the bible.

They wrote letters that served as a guide to followers of christ. No?

Did you think that paul did not know what he was saying?