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Christianity Etc › Re: The Jesuit Oath That The New Pope Has Taken - Is This Biblical? by truthislight: 8:54pm On Mar 20, 2013

This has been my argument on this thread befor that son of a "viper" came along:

truthislight: Can someone copy and pest the right oath that the pope takes? Aba!

I have tried those links that strik. Posted they are note available. So, whoever can open it should copy and post the dame stuff and closed this back and forth talk.
Na wao!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Jesuit Oath That The New Pope Has Taken - Is This Biblical? by truthislight: 8:37pm On Mar 20, 2013

italo: You allege (or at least subscribe to it) that the Pope took the oath in the OP.

If you cannot produce where i said that ^ on this thread, then we know who is:

italo: DEMENTED

Christianity Etc › Re: The Jesuit Oath That The New Pope Has Taken - Is This Biblical? by truthislight: 2:37pm On Mar 20, 2013

Lol.
See this Bomboy o!

I said

truthislight: Ok, noted, "Pope(s) dont take oath" ever!
(summary)
hmmmmm?!

That will be it for now.
But, how true?

and you came this way:

italo: If you have seen a Pope taking an oath, please provide the contents of the oath and evidence that it is genuine.

If not, my advice is that you keep quiet.

shoooo!

I said this:

truthislight: So, if the pope takes such kind oath at the op, you think they will make it public?

Bomboy!
Grow up.

then you started cursing:

italo: So we should believe that the Popes take the oath, just because brainless anti-Catholics like you say so?

No proof... no semblance of a proof... no nothing!

Is that how you reason? 'Grown up!'...'papa!'

na wao!

All this after i had ask that the correct oath be produce?

You are over confused!

Why not be straight forward?

It is either you(RCC) take oath or you dont take oath, if you ever took oath produce the one, if you dont know what happens i that secret place in Rome, then keep still and silent.
cool

Christianity Etc › Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by truthislight: 1:11pm On Mar 20, 2013

My brother, chukwudi thinks i am ready to gamble with my life and miss out on everlasting live resulting from truth.

The apostles knew what will happened when the die out.

Boomark: Na wao...The gospel of Mary which was written by who? Is any evidence for this?

dont mind him.

See what was written as a warning:

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:" (1 Timothy 4:1-4).
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Why should i need all those astra?

When this is all i need:

And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. " (John 17:3).

And this:

"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:3-4).
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Men decided to build empire for themself without regard for the reasons for christianity which is "the coming of the Kingdom of God".

Self deceit indeed.
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Christianity Etc › Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by truthislight: 12:49pm On Mar 20, 2013

chukwudi44: When I call you mumu that is obviously a compliment.From the trash above which you just spewed one can really befin to estimate ur IQ.So you think attaching names of apostles to books really mean they were written by them? What about the gospels of Mary,Peter,Thomas which also claimed to have been written by these apostles? Why don't you use them in your worship?

Let me not even talk about the fact that the entire gospels were anonymous alongside books like hebrew

My friend leave my face if you dont have any useful thing to offer.

Why not tell me that the thousand of old men/people that sat for the compilation were liars and be happy?

My advise here is that any one that wants life should stick to the epistle of the postles.

Why is that giving you headeche?

(1 Timothy 2:3-4).
"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:3-4).
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What is the truth? Words of any how men?
*sigh*

Christianity Etc › Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by truthislight: 12:31pm On Mar 20, 2013

striktlymi: A) The majority of Christians did not have ready access to the new testament as we do now.

they have access to the writings of the apostles.

The apostles sent their writings to believers, how do you think the delivers would have handled those epistle?

striktlymi: B) At the time there were a lot of write-ups which have not been determined to be inspired by God; how did they know which to accept or reject?

the ones from the apostles, the apostles had the words of God. 1thess. 2:13.
See:

"For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe." (1 Thessalonians 2:13).

striktlymi: C) The name Christian, to be fair, was not from the apostles but unbelievers, how do we then determine whether the name Christian is of God?

the name christian is in the epistle of the apostles(NT) refering believers in christ as christian = followers of christ.
The word catholic is not in the NT and unknown to them the apostles.

striktlymi: D) When Timothy taught that all scripture is inspired, did he have a reference point for his teaching e.g bible? If not, how do we determine that what he taught was inspired by God?

Timothy did not write the book of timothy but apostle paul did.
The book of timothy is a letter written by apostle paul to timothy on how to run the congregation.

striktlymi: A) Christ died and handed over to Peter (Apostles)

you mean handed over to the apostles?

striktlymi: Do we now believe that the Apostles died without handing over to some other persons?

the work of teaching what and how the church/congregation should run and does and dont from christ as christ received from his father was given to the apostles of christ.

This apostles were given to christ by his father, christ said.

They were all Jews.
Did God forgot to tell them anything?

striktlymi: If this is the case then won't it be appropriate to say that the Church Christ established and the teaching authority he gave the apostles died with the last apostle?

what other followers are to do is to follow what the apostles wrote and not to add.

Teach from it.

Note this:

(Galatians 1:8 )
"even though we, or an angel from heaven, were to preach any other gospel to you other than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." (Galatians 1:8 )

striktlymi: B) If (A) is wrong and there was some form of hand over, who then did they hand over to?

All are followers of christ.
According to paul's letter to timothy on how to run the followers of christ, at 1timothy 3, the provision on how is listed there.

striktlymi: C) Since the Apostles seem to be the only "credible" reference point, are we saying that the holy spirit stopped inspiring men to teach the church like the apostles did?

There is a difference between teaching from the layed foundation and teaching a new thing.

All the NT teachers were apostles and Jews. Other teachers should do well to teach from that.

(Galatians 1:8 )
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." (Galatians 1:8 )

striktlymi: D) If (C) is the case, can't we conclude that the holy spirit have abandoned the church a long time ago and all we have now are all fakes?

How can following and teaching from the apostle examples make one fake?

striktlymi: #Let's think about the above prayerfuly and see if anyone can come up with plausible answers.

which is better, going astray or following the apostles?

how can following the example of the teaching of the apostles make one fake?

striktlymi: Thanks!

peace

Christianity Etc › Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by truthislight: 11:01am On Mar 20, 2013*

chukwudi44: Mumu all this scriptures you are here quoting how would you have known there were scriptures without the authourity of the catholic church

Hmmm!

Lol.

Who is really the mumu now? huh

My people come and see o!

Letters that have the names of the writers?

Your case is worst than i thought.

Your delusion and self deceit. Has eroded your ability to think.

Are you blind? Lol.

Christianity Etc › Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by truthislight: 10:47am On Mar 20, 2013

striktlymi: [size=15pt]Questions from an observer:

1) Who determines which sect is Christian in those times?

2) How do the faithful know which to follow considering that the 'direct apostles' were probably dead?[/size]

The writings of the APOSTLES were the only true guide.

Many faction with divers doctrine And philosophy of men that contradict the words of the apostles were the norms.

The most powerful sect with arms/power carries the day. Winner takes all not minding what the words of the apostles says then.

Today, the words and writings of the apostles are the best bet for all lovers of truth.

Christianity Etc › Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by truthislight: 10:36am On Mar 20, 2013

chukwudi44: You need evidence shee? You will find more than you bargained for.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentinianism

Why direct people to history that has been adulterated?

Dont you know that any opposition was destroyed and the people killed in the past?

One sided history indeed.

Christianity Etc › Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by truthislight: 10:30am On Mar 20, 2013*

chukwudi44: @Reginus

Wow!! How wonderful !! Let me quickly rush to get a copy of the gospels of mary,judas e.t.c I will even add the gospels of marcion and the enitre gnostic scriptures.since all scriptures are inspired by God.

Since you know this much why do you people question the books of tobit,sirach.

those ^ ant the apostles of christ writings.

we are talking about writings/epistle of the apostles and you presenting fairy tales.

Are the writers of those books the apostles of christ?

The writings of the NT are exclusive to the apostles of christ thereof, and they all died off in the 1st century ce.

What was done was to bring together the writings of this apostles = NT. QED.

See those that have the word of God:

(1 Thessalonians 2:13).
"For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe." (1 Thessalonians 2:13).
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So, guy, see this below, it is this apostles that has the word of God that was compiled and
item 10 in this post below shows how paul directed that congregation or early churches should exchange letters.

See:
peter:
1. "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness." (2 Peter 3:16-17).
(note: his epistle)

Paul:
2. "The salutation of Paul with mine own hand, which is the token in every epistle: so I write." (2 Thessalonians 3:17).

(note: every epistle)

3. "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle." (2 Thessalonians 2:15).
(note: our epistle)

4. "And Tychicus have I sent to Ephesus. The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments." (2 Timothy 4:12-13).

5. "Therefore I write these things being absent, lest being present I should use sharpness, according to the power which the Lord hath given me to edification, and not to destruction." (2 Corinthians 13:10).

6. "I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:" (1 Corinthians 5:9).
(note: his epistle)

7. "But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat." (1 Corinthians 5:11).
(note: I have written unto you)

8. "Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not." (Galatians 1:20).
( I write unto you,)

9. "How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)" (Ephesians 3:3-4).

(note: as I wrote afore in few words,)

Congregations to exchange letters :

1. "And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea." (Colossians 4:16).

My Conclussion:
I am really afraid for you that somehow christ may have died in vein in your own case because of your looking at the wrong direction.

This are letters that the apostles wrote,
You have cause many people to lose faith and turn to atheism.

Now, can you provide the writers of those other books so that we consider how they can stand a chance against the writings of christ apostles?

The NT = writings of christ apostles.

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by truthislight: 9:44am On Mar 20, 2013

Lol.
This is becoming a comic.

Some fanatical "jew" men are on rampage.

Ubenedictus: your analogy doesnt work me dear unless you have a way of proving that martin luther and co were among the church fathers that compiled the bible.

in the light of that ^ question, should this below not do?

Reyginus: Are you serious?
You are begining to assume the non-existence of a thing like family line. Seems we have to hold participation in high esteem now. Let me queue in this lane of yours for this moment. I can also say in the same light, the roman catholic church never pertook in compiling the bible, since neither the pope nor any of the present church crop of fathers were present when the bible was compiled. How does it sound now?

well said guy.

chukwudi44: Oh my God what kind of reasoning is this? Which of the generation of church fathers did martin luther descend from?which of the church fathers who compiled the bible held the same kind of beleifs martin luther did? How do you reason my friend?

I would not believe in the Gospel myself if the authority of the Catholic Church did not influence me to do so" - St. Augustine (Against the letter of Mani, 5,6, 397 A.D. )

who is St. Augustine and Ignatiuse whatever?

Were they apostles of christ?

Have they more authority than the apostles of christ and their writings?

chukwudi44: Olodo if you knew a bit about church history you would have known that the marcionists,valentinians,donatists,arians e.t.c who were like the protestants of the early church were not in the catholic church.

Better google online "against heresies" by st Ireneaus written in 185 CE.

Ah! See what you have resorted to!

How can one take your type seriously?

With the fruitage you show, you are nothing less than an agberoo.

You need help big time.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Jesuit Oath That The New Pope Has Taken - Is This Biblical? by truthislight: 9:18am On Mar 20, 2013

italo: If you have seen a Pope taking an oath, please provide the contents of the oath and evidence that it is genuine.

If not, my advice is that you keep quiet.

So, if the pope takes such kind oath at the op, you think they will make it public?

Bomboy!
Grow up.

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Christianity Etc › Re: New Pope To Abolish Celibacy Regulation by truthislight: 9:01am On Mar 20, 2013

[quote author=big mo]www.christianpost.com/news/catholics-to-begin-reconsidering-priest-celibacy--91430/[/quote

Christianity Etc › Re: New Pope To Abolish Celibacy Regulation by truthislight: 8:58am On Mar 20, 2013

Christianity Etc › Re: New Pope To Abolish Celibacy Regulation by truthislight: 8:55am On Mar 20, 2013

big mo: m.christianpost.com/news/catholics-to-begin-reconsidering-priest-celibacy--91430/

http://m.blogs.christianpost.com/news

Christianity Etc › Re: New Pope To Abolish Celibacy Regulation by truthislight: 8:31am On Mar 20, 2013

big mo: m.christianpost.com/news/catholics-to-begin-reconsidering-priest-celibacy--91430/

http://m.blogs.christianpost.com/news/catholic

Christianity Etc › Re: New Pope To Abolish Celibacy Regulation by truthislight: 8:30am On Mar 20, 2013

big mo: m.christianpost.com/news/catholics-to-begin-reconsidering-priest-celibacy--91430/

http://m.blogs.christianpost.com/news/catholics-to-begin-reconsidering-pries

Christianity Etc › Re: New Pope To Abolish Celibacy Regulation by truthislight: 8:27am On Mar 20, 2013

big mo: m.christianpost.com/news/catholics-to-begin-reconsidering-priest-celibacy--91430/

http://m.blogs.christianpost.com/news/catholics-to-begin-reconsidering-priest-celibacy-

Christianity Etc › Re: The Jesuit Oath That The New Pope Has Taken - Is This Biblical? by truthislight: 7:41am On Mar 20, 2013

Ubenedictus: why not check d wikipedia link provided by styl, there is no oath a new pope is suppose to take. Very simple.

Ok, noted, "Pope(s) dont take oath" ever!
(summary)
hmmmmm?!

That will be it for now.
But, how true? huh

Christianity Etc › Re: Striktlymi, Davidylan: You Are Right, Am Wrong. by truthislight: 10:48pm On Mar 19, 2013

MacDaddy01: granted Me by the Grand Wizards(

Errrrrm what does those mean? huh

Christianity Etc › Re: The Jesuit Oath That The New Pope Has Taken - Is This Biblical? by truthislight: 5:32pm On Mar 19, 2013

Ubenedictus: read the wiki page by my bro styl. Popes do not have a "papal oath" that they should/may/must swear. There is no standart oath nor makeshift oath, in d 21cent some people claim there is a papal oath but that is untrue, no such oath exist. Or better still, today is d inuaguaration ceremony of pope francis, why not watch and see if there is an oath?

Is that all?

Why not just say that pope dont take oath?

Christianity Etc › Re: Our Ultimate Purpose And God's Nature. by truthislight: 4:48pm On Mar 19, 2013

Image123: Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

I dont agree with this translation of this part of the bible.

The sense it expresses is myopic.

What that place is all about is that God has foreordain a plan for certain set of poople to do certain things but this set of people and their task is devoid of the individuals persons that will be part of the set of people.

People have to worked their way into this set of people that will carry out this task and they can fall out of that "set of people".

Consider it as a vacancy advert.

Christianity Etc › Re: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by truthislight: 2:09pm On Mar 19, 2013

ooman: Exactly. The more religious people are, the less intelligent and the more intelligent people are, the less religious.

ooman: or perhaps you all lack basic understanding of the world around you. Now i believe that not all atheists/agnostics are intelligent, some are just tired of life, like Muskeeto.

https://www.nairaland.com/1229655/atheism-suicide-other-randomness/1

Time will tell.
Smh

Christianity Etc › Re: The Jesuit Oath That The New Pope Has Taken - Is This Biblical? by truthislight: 11:41am On Mar 19, 2013

Subtext: My brothers who are catholic, arguing about matters of faith never converts anyone, people only indulge in such to display their supposed 'superior knowledge', verbal sparring skills or lack there of. I apologize for the initial post. I posted that thinking it was the right oath. But while that may not be the actual oath, the catholic church CERTAINLY engaged in every practice mentioned there. Every single one of them. Only civilization stopped them in more recent times from continuing such practices. That you feel comfortable in a church with such a dark history is just funny really.

Like I mentioned before, I'm REALLY not interested in this back and forth. I know the catholic church is not of God, but I'm not going to prove it to you on nairaland. You probably know the truth in your hearts anyway so...

For those thinking I dislike catholic people, I really shouldn't bother responding to that, really. A lot of my good friends are catholic. I used to be one too, for a brief period in my life.

If the mods don't mind, I hereby request that this thread be closed. Thank you

Subtext: If the mods don't mind, I hereby request that this thread be closed. Thank you

threads are not just closed for no justifiable reasons.

Someone can post the correct oath instead and help let us see.

See this statement below, it says that oaths "are not cast on stones"

striktlymi: Good evening,

Though some popes have taken an oath of office in the past but this is not cast in stone. There have been some popes who reigned without taking an oath of office.

you said the pope decides whether or not to take an oath, does he also decides which oath to also take?

If no, can someone produce the right/actual oath/standard oath that the pope takes if he "decides to take one"?

Which oath will he take?

If no standard oath, does that mean that he decides on which oath to take?

If he decides on which oath to take, is it possible or not possible that a certain pope that at once upon a time certain pope(s) may have taken the oath at the OP?

I wish this oath thing is properly addressed.

If some one (a catholic) gets angry for the op posting that oath, it means that he also dislike the OP oath, but what if it is true that that used to be the oath/is the oath taken?

If you have the reason(s) not feelings, that it is not the oath that popes ever took in the past or at present, do you mind sharing your reasons/evidence with us?

If you hate the oath at the OP, that means the oath is bad, fine, then you can also relate with some of us and see why some of us "ignorantly" curse at the oath.

So, please, help show that such bad oath is not being taken by pope(s) today and was NEVER taken by pope(s) in the past and clear our "ignorance".

Thank you.
Peace.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Jesuit Oath That The New Pope Has Taken - Is This Biblical? by truthislight: 9:53pm On Mar 18, 2013

Can someone copy and pest the right oath that the pope takes? Aba!

I have tried those links that strik. Posted they are note available. So, whoever can open it should copy and post the dame stuff and closed this back and forth talk.
Na wao!

Christianity Etc › Re: If U Re To Take A Snapshot With Either Barack Obama Nd Daddy Adeboye, Who....... by truthislight: 9:57pm On Mar 17, 2013

israel boy: (1)judge not that ye may nt be judged,

(2) my people perish becos they lack knowledge

(3) never say anything against my appointed ones.

Guy if this is a joke u better repent

Go seat down for gutter jore! angry

Christianity Etc › Re: If U Re To Take A Snapshot With Either Barack Obama Nd Daddy Adeboye, Who....... by truthislight: 4:15pm On Mar 17, 2013

israel boy: U were invited to an occasion, nd u saw daddy adeboye nd barack obama, u only hv a opportunity to shake hands nd a snapshot with either of them, who will u love to go for?

Be sincere about this nd give reasons. God bless us all

ok ok,

Adeboye?

Errrrrm! Is he that man that collect tith? (that says wealth is gotten through tithing) shame!

See business principle! shocked

Jesus i know.

Obama i know.

Who really is Adeboye? huh

Care to educate me?

Christianity Etc › Re: If U Re To Take A Snapshot With Either Barack Obama Nd Daddy Adeboye, Who....... by truthislight: 4:13pm On Mar 17, 2013

israel boy: U were invited to an occasion, nd u saw daddy adeboye nd barack obama, u only hv a opportunity to shake hands nd a snapshot with either of them, who will u love to go for?

Be sincere about this nd give reasons. God bless us all

Who is Adeboye?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus was Mentioned In Pope Speech in retrospect by truthislight: 3:20pm On Mar 17, 2013

Enigma: Bros, I dey kampe oh!

Good to know.

I dey hail o!

Christianity Etc › Re: Modern Church Practices Not Found in the Teachings of Jesus Christ by truthislight: 7:26am On Mar 17, 2013

Joagbaje: Really and you don't know yet at all these evil report of the church to the world is doing more damage to the gospel . Instead of using Internet and resources to bring men to christ you labour to shame him. Giving evil reports of his work and his kingdom.

How do you bring men to the kingdom of God?

Is it by collecting their money?

through tith and five times offering?

Btw. The kingdom you preech(of prosperity) is different from the kingdom that Jesus preach:

"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful." (Revelation 21:2-5).

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