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Pastor AIO: I do not fully understand what you're saying above.

If you mean what I think you might mean in the bolded part above then I ask, Is not the church anointed too? There have being many developments in the church since the first century CE, yet these are often subjected to criticisms from rival factions of christianity with a vehemence that is spared Moses and Paul.

^^^
Which "church anointed" to do what?

The NT was basically written by christ apostles.

"For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe." (1 Thessalonians 2:13).
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The "church", are they AMONG THE "US"(APOSTLES) OF CHRIST ?

Who are the "us":

"But Paul said unto them, They have beaten us openly uncondemned, being Romans, and have cast "us" into prison; and now do they thrust us out privily? nay verily; but let them come themselves and fetch us out." (Acts 16:37).
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So, this ^ "us" wrote the NT, where does the "church" comes in?

"For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe." (1 Thessalonians 2:13).
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The OT was written by prophets of Yahweh judges, anointed kings, levites. (All Jews)

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy spirit." (2 Peter 1:20-21).
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So, i still wish to ask:
This "the church" are they Jews?

John4:22

"you worship what you do not know, we worship what we know, salvation originate with the Jews".

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The man dey pull crowd o. .

Is the man on the "narrow" way?

Hmmm!
Smh.

Uyi Iredia: I no longer believe the Christian God is one filled with love.

that depends on your definition of love.

I hope you will not kill a snake that will bit your kid and possibly leave it to bit him or her because you are "all" loving or too sympathetic to harm the snake = "love".

Yes, you will tolerate evil meted out to others since you are "all" loving and cannot penalise evil doers. Yea = "love".

If you know how the human mind works, you will come to understand why drug pedddlers dont prefer places where death penalty is the sentence for offenders.

Uyi Iredia: For I can no longer ignore the brutality of killing a supposed sinless child in order to forgive a people.

Not if you are not limited by death or you can undo death. You talk as human.

you dont make laws and not lead by example, if you dont, no one will keep the laws you put in place.

"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin." (Hebrews 9:22).
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A life for a life(soul for soul)

You are thinking as a mere human and not as the giver of all lives, almighty.
Does he not have the means to bring him back to life ?

Uyi Iredia: As an atheist rightly asked; why not just forgive ?

what do you call him? = an atheist.
He can not and has no idea of how this(spiritual) things work. Does he even know how his life is being sustained? No.

other angels in heaven already knows yahweh standard, he will not be the one that will set the bad example of breaking his standard of life for life. The process also set a precedent for all freewill person not to cross the line again since there will be no another Jesus that will come and die.
Any rebel hence will get instance sentencing in the new order.

Uyi Iredia: Neither do I agree with the wiping out of villages and cities as documented in the OT

but you agree with the unprovoked agression by satan Worshpers toward the sons of Israel on their way out of egypt to the promise land?
smh for you.
What do you think was the reason for the unprovoked attack?
Did the Amalikite know what you dont know? Think!

If you will have a reason for all your actions, why find it difficult to accept that yahweh has a reason for all the actions taken even though the bible cannot contain all the justifications and reasons for his actions?

Uyi Iredia: or the extremely harsh curse in the garden for a crime.

what do you think he should have done to set a precedent to forestall Future occurrence of such rebellion?

Yahweh was accused of being a bad ruler.
While satan said he hard a better system.
See the result now since yahweh hands off.
Who was right? Satan or yahweh.

Was satan's option right?
Have/can human successfully rule them self without yahweh? Whats your answer?

How would you have come to know the answer if yahweh had not allowed time for things to run it course?

Will angels not support another rebel like satan in the future? Now they know better.

Uyi Iredia: A God of love doesn't indiscriminately kill or punish those who had nothing to do with the crime as done in the garden

who else was there apart from Adam and eve?

A father only gives to his children what he has and not what he does not have.

Uyi Iredia: or as stated when God said he punishes down to the 3rd and 4th generation of sinners.

yes, that ^ to those who hate him.
He will always be alive up to the 100 generation and beyond.
As such, one should not think he will do things and get away, but that it will affect his future generation. Again, that is what the wicked man action gives to his children.

With that ^, vengeance is not mine but that of Yahweh. You should really learn to fear and respect yahweh and others.

Do you expect the punishment of Yahweh to be the same with that of humans?
You dont know who the almighty is than. He is not your class mate guy. Place him properly.

Uyi Iredia: Put simply, I no longer believe (as I once did) that the Christian God is loving.

think deeply and ask lots of questions Jesus had adviced = "keep on asking". Mat7:7.

you need to upgrade.

This are very seriouse stuff.

Dont be like some people that are alife in an era that yahweh has decided not to relate with humans physically after the massaiah had come, but they keep asking for his "proof"

(John 4:23).
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. " (John 4:23)
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Yes, Yahweh accept spiritual relationship now and not physical.

It is his call, and not ours.
Asking for proof is a west of time.

But:

"but this is everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you the only true God, and of Jesus christ whom you sent"
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"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:3-4).

Jsmyth: from the translation of this portion by scholars,

i hope you are not trying to do what the muslim also do? discredit the bible as to project the book of Mormon?

Your next line will be "if the bible is well translated".

Pleaseeeeeee! If you dont belief in the bible, say so, and dont use the bible to project the book of Mormon only to later maligned it.

Thats ^ fraudulent of you guys.

Jsmyth: John admonished us to worship him in spirit and in truth.

That was not the words of John but the words of our lord Jesus christ himself.

John only wrote it down and not him admonishing us.

Jesus knew quite well that his father is a spirit.

"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. " (John 4:24).

Do you want to go against the words of Jesus?

Smh.

Jsmyth: @truthislight.......In the Bible, we are made to understand that God created man in his own image and likeness.....what does that tell you?

that human are intelligent and have freewill.

That We human have qualities that are peculiar to God that animals dont have.

If it is in form, does that mean that chimpanzys are also in God's image?

Afteral, we and chimps have same form. Two legs, two hands, and we stand straight also like Chimps.

Jsmyth: ; That God has 10 legs whike humans have two?why are we often referred to as children of God?

Chimps also have two legs. No?

Why are Chimps not also refered to as children of God? What are the difference in form between chimps and human?

Jsmyth: ; Can a human produce/give birth to a Dog??.......In

can Chimps produce/give birth to dogs? No.

Jsmyth: LDS, we believe in the GODHEAD - made up of 3 distinctive beings, God the Father, God the Son(Jesus Christ) and the Holy Ghost

allmost all christiandom churches belief in the trinity and so what?

What then makes you unique? Trinity? Oh please!

Who told you that trinity is a bible based teaching?
Look for something else.

Jesus is not almighty God.

(your trinity version erm!)

Jsmyth: united in 1 purpose which is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man...

Jsmyth: The Father has a body of flesh and bone as tangible as Man,

that ^ is not a bible teaching.

The bible says that God is a spirit, no material since spirits dont have material.
In fact, Jesus said that himself.

"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. " (John 4:24).

And:

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." (John 1:18).
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So, with that, how did you manage to see your god?

And how do you come to know he is "flesh and bone"?

What we know of the almighty is Jesus revealing and doing.

Dont try na use Jesus actions/revealing in OT and NT and put it to the father.

Jsmyth: He has an immortal, glorious and perfected body,

God almighty is a spirit the bible says.

Jsmyth: so is his Son

Yes, the son reveal/explains the father from OT to NT. But NO one has seen the father at anytime Jesus said.

Are you trying to tell me that Jesus lied to us?

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." (John 1:18).
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your word against that of Jesus ^.

Peace.

InesQor: Interesting thread.

If the legend of Ptolemy II is anything to go by, would you consider it a coincidence then, that 72 translators derived the exact same interpretation for Isaiah 7:14 (before Christ, and thus there was no confirmation bias)? What do you think?

Meanwhile the Masoretic seems like a deliberately coordinated attempt to reject Christian views peeking through the histories of the Old Testament, and Jerome's Latin Vulgate follows after the Masoretic. These two would thus seem to me to be more biased versions.

Well, going by what he put down up there, it seems a natural deduction hence.

Seconded, unless there is a contrary opinion/presentation.

From that, the Jews were already biased as it were hence their own version/translation to suite their intent. (Masoretic text)

Why interview a set of people already influence/biased to form a basis for a translation?

The septuagint had no such bias hence a precise translation it seems.

@AIO.
Some references will do no harm.
Peace

Pastor AIO: for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!”

Rev: 12:12





1)
I hope you have now learnt the actual meaning of 'Obfuscation' and 'Digression'. Here is one more task for you. Go and learn the meaning of 'Agenda'. Then go back to the slowpoke that taught you that Agenda 'implies fraud' and demand a refund for your education. Look at the torment it is putting through.



2) Okay, the thread is about Bible translations (the worst). The video is about the original NT manuscripts which we don't have. How do you determine which is the best or the worst translation of a document when you do not have the original of that document? I hope the relevance of that video is clearer now.
There is a brief mention of the John prologue that is biting you so much at 24:00 of the video. Check it out and come and tell us what it says.




3) Great! I am a Mumu! Obviously Bart Ehrmann is a muumuu too!! But at least sha, Dan Wallace is a 'world renown expert'. That's good, we can start from there.
Ehrmann says we have no copies of the original documents. Note, that Wallace doesn't disagree, but Wallace says that it doesn't matter cos we can, with scholarship, reconstruct the original wording of the Originals. Note that Wallace doesn't say that we HAVE reconstructed the original, but that we CAN. in other words, it is possible. The two attempts to do so thus far are very different from each other.
Once again, how do you judge the quality of translation of a text of which you do not have the original copy? Which is the worst translation? Dan Wallace, the 'world renown expert' agrees that we do not have the original, nor the wordings of the original(yet).
In fact, let's hear Wallace's own words: "Scribes changed the wording of the texts for all sorts of reasons, they were unsuccessful in eradicating the wording of the original. It was both the orthodox and the unorthodox who tampered with the text." 43:11
More words of Wallace: Is the original documents lost? "yes of course they are, only Quacks and Charlatans . . . would argue otherwise". 43:30






4) Hah! This Satan is not only furious, but devious too. I'll ignore this.






5) As King James would say, I'll give a turd for your argument! You're still allowing your torment to cloud your thinking. I don't know what textual variant affecting Christian tenet has to do with anything here. We discussing bible translations.
Your manner of arguing is not even worth the turd I gave you for it. What has how long you've known anyone's argument got to do with anything. Why are you returning again to how much you know before Youtube? That's how you refused to answer the case of the Copts translation of John 1, the word was a God. You simply said that it was an old argument. Do old arguments become redundant with age? Or does an argument become redundant once Enigma has known about it for a long time?





6) hahahah! 'desperate to obfuscate'! We shall come back to that, cos that is a different matter. There you were arguing for the right of christians to be obnoxious in public. That is off the topic here, it is obvious where the real desperation lies.




7) Okay so Satan's desperate fury is exhausted. I am starting some threads titled Contra Bibliolatreia. It might do you good to read some of them.

https://www.nairaland.com/1224167/contra-bibliolatreia-ii-septuagint

Better that ^ way for ease of access.

Jsmyth: HEY!!!!.....Mormons are Christians and they worship the same GOD, so, u might wanna be careful wid the language ur using, its totally wrong.....

@Jsmyth

please, try and answer this question nah! ?

truthislight: This your god that made such a mistake, who is he?

Is it true that your God is "bone and flesh"?

If yes, please explain how?

If no, who is your God then?

Can humans see him?

Thank you.

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Jsmyth: HEY!!!!.....Mormons are Christians and they worship the same GOD, so, u might wanna be careful wid the language ur using, its totally wrong.....

is your God flesh and bone? Yes or no?

(John 4:24).
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. " (John 4:24).

does your book of Mormon agree with that ^^^?

Jsmyth: Racism/discrimination is a disease that tends to harbour in some people. Forgive me for saying this, the whites generally have always considered themselves as a better breed thus looking down on people with the darker skin, even as the Jews did to other nations. It is quite unfortunate that the few early Mormons had the same mentality and disregarded the blacks. After much prayer and appeal to God, a revelation(which helps in guiding the church) was given to the then prophet to regard the blacks as equal thus ending racism among Mormons. Today, the church fights against racism and if you haven't heard of any apology from the church, I want to use this medium to assure you that RACISM is not found among MORMONS and plead with those who feel they were discriminated in one way or the other.

This your god that made such a mistake, who is he?

Is it true that your God is "bone and flesh"?

If yes, please explain how?

If no, who is your God then?

Can humans see him?

Thank you.

Jsmyth: But we all have to learn to forgive as God commanded us to......

Who needs the forgiveness?

God or man?

Was the instruction/revelation God's or man's?

truthislight: this god that bend when money pressure come his way.

So, the gods bend when force to?
Smh.

Did he not know that his decision was wrong in the beginning?

What a short sighted God!

Evil Brain: The Mormons actually first came to Nigeria in the early 1960s, but they were unceremoniously kicked out by the federal government over their blatantly racist teachings and practices. They only stopped discriminating against blacks in 1978 when political pressure and their need to expand into new countries like Brazil (and make more money) made the policy untenable.

Meanwhile, they have never repudiated or apologized for their long history of racism. They don't feel they have done anything to be sorry for.

Apparently it was God that told then that blacks had the seed of Cain and couldn't hold any notable position in the church. Luckily, he has a habit of changing his mind at the very moment his decrees become inconvenient for the LDS church.

www.nairaland.com/1061475/there-church-lattar-day-saints

this god that bend when money pressure comes his way.

So, the gods bend when force to?
Smh.

Did he not know that his decision was wrong in the beginning?

What a short sighted God!

Pastor Kun: I am sure the Olodo must have failed woefully that is if he ever went to medical school. Ever wondered why he resorted to collecting tithes for a living?

Yea! I have reason to question his claim.

He wants to bring medical school to reproach.

Bidam and medical school ke!

Do they also learn tithing in medical school also?

Bidam: Lol@ truthislight..it's like you are high on alcohol..i will also post an article where even the moderation of alcohol that you guys are insisting on is harmful to the body.Moderate Alcohol Consumption Is Associated With Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth, Study Finds

Nov. 28, 2011 — Just one drink per day for women -- two for men -- could lead to small intestinal bacterial overgrowth (SIBO) and subsequently cause gastrointestinal symptoms like bloating, gas, abdominal pain, constipation and diarrhea, according to the results of a new study unveiled at the American College of Gastroenterology's (ACG) 76th Annual Scientific meeting in Washington, DC.

The retrospective review, "Moderate Alcohol Consumption is Associated with Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth," looked at the charts of 198 patients who underwent lactulose hydrogen breath testing (LHBT) to determine the presence of SIBO, and found that any current alcohol consumption was significantly associated with the presence of SIBO -- and neither smoking nor use of heartburn drugs called PPIs was associated with an increased risk of SIBO.

Small intestinal bacterial overgrowth is a condition where abnormally large numbers of bacteria grow in the small intestine. Normally the small intestine contains a relatively low number of bacteria in contrast to the large intestine, which should contain a larger number of bacteria. In patients with SIBO, the abnormally large numbers of bacteria in the small intestine use for their growth many of the nutrients that would otherwise be absorbed.

As a result, a person with small bowel bacterial overgrowth may not absorb enough nutrients and become malnourished. In addition, the breakdown of nutrients by the bacteria in the small intestines can produce gas as well as lead to a change in bowel habits.

While previous studies have focused on alcoholics, who were found to have high rates of SIBO, this study by Scott Gabbard, MD and colleagues at the Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center and the Mayo Clinic, is one of the first to look at the relationship between moderate alcohol consumption and SIBO. Moderate alcohol consumption means no more than 1 drink per day for women and 2 drinks per day for men, with twelve ounces of regular beer, 5 ounces of wine, or 1-1⁄2 ounces of 80-proof distilled spirits counting as one drink, according to the USDA dietary guidelines.

An overwhelming majority (95 percent) of the 198 patients in the study drank a moderate amount of alcohol, sometimes less than 1 drink per day, said Dr. Gabbard, who also indicated that only four of the patients drank more alcohol -- a finding he noted indicates that consumption of even the slightest amount of alcohol could have an impact on gut health.

"These findings are significant because we now know that any bit of alcohol consumption--not just the amount consumed by alcoholics -- is a strong predictor of a positive lactulose hydrogen breath testing and small intestinal bacterial overgrowth," he said. "While typical treatment for SIBO has been antibiotics, probiotics or a combination of the two, the question now becomes what is the exact association between moderate alcohol consumption and SIBO and whether alcohol cessation can be used as a treatment for this potentially harmful condition."http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/111031114949.htm

I really doubt your qualification as a medical doctor.

If you are a medical doctor, you would have known that in all antibacterial drug, while it terminate/eradicate some bacterial it enhances the proliferation of others/the growth of resistant strained.

Btw. Not all bacterial is harmful to the body.

Abuse of bacterial drug and wanton destruction of bacterial in the body leads to the growth of opportunistic infections like fungals/fungus and parasites.

Most bacterial feeds on this parasites, so, what you call "bacterial growth" may actually be a useful colony.

Do you even know the processes of digestion?

Infact, here again you display your limited knowledge again.

What kind of bacterial should be the question when alcohol is taken in moderation.

Moderate taking of alcohol is never harmful.

Well, the rest is your headache.
i did not send you any message.

As a doctor you did not know that alcohol(spirit) can be use as a disinfectant.

Btw. I am through with you on this line of argument since my concern is the bible.

Enjoy.

So, where does the bible teach ABSOLUTE abstinançe from alcohol please.

Dont divert/derail the thread.

Uncanny Genius: Thanks.

Get as many different a translation as possible.

Always make comperism.

Jsmyth: But we all have to learn to forgive as God commanded us to......

Who needs the forgiveness?

God or man?

Was the instruction/revelation God's or man's?

Bidam: Let's leave scriptures aside may be i missed this point in medical school..from a medical point of view can you pls enlighten us how ethanol(alcohol) can be used in curing stomach bacteria?

wiseGEEK: What Are the Medical Uses of Ethyl Alcohol?


Ethyl alcohol, also commonly referred to as ethanol, is a colorless liquid that has many uses. Aside from being the most common type of alcohol found in alcoholic beverages and certain recreational drugs, it is often used in medicine as an antidote.



In more modern times, ethyl alcohol can be used for its antiseptic properties, and it's often found in antibacterial wipes and hand sanitizers. It is effective at killing most bacteria, fungi, and many viruses on the hands and skin, and it is a useful alternative to hand soaps. Medical professionals often use gel sanitizers before treating patients to prevent the spread of harmful bacteria.


Ethyl alcohol can also be used as an antidote to help reverse or lessen the effects of certain chemicals, primarily other alcohols like methanol. Once ethanol is added to the system, it competes with the other alcohols to be broken down by the body, and slows down the metabolism of other chemicals in the bloodstream where they typically become toxic.


Article Discussion
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@honeybees -- Your comments remind me of my mom who as adamant about using hand sanitizer long before it was considered the thing to do. She always carried little packets of antibacterial wipes with her in her purse.


Every time we went out to eat she would use one to wipe her hands before eating. She would also closely look at the silverware, and sometimes she would use one of these wipes to clean the utensils as well.


We used to kind of tease her about this, but now I realize how important it is. She is one of the healthiest people I know and never comes down with a cold or the flu.


It probably doesn't take much ethyl alcohol in a bottle of hand sanitizer to be effective, but I think it sure makes a big difference.
- John57


I carry antibacterial wipes and hand sanitizer with me everywhere I go. You also see hand sanitizer in many public places where you never used to see it before.


When I go shopping at my favorite retailer store they have antibacterial wipes you can use to wipe off the handles of the grocery cart and also wipe your hands. I don't see a whole lot of people using them, but I bet they do a good job of cutting down on germs for the people who do use them.


If you visit a hospital you also see these available for use. When I think about how many people touch the elevator buttons I realize how important they are. We recently went on a cruise and there was a place where you could sanitize your hands every time you walked on or off the ship.
- honeybees
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I usually have a bottle of ethyl isopropyl alcohol somewhere in the house. It's cheap and a bottle lasts a long time because we hardly ever use it. When someone has a cut or scrape I don't ever think about cleansing it with alcohol. I usually reach for the hydrogen peroxide first.


- julies
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Ethyl alcohol is also very good for nausea. But I don't mean that it should be consumed, it's usually sniffed like a cologne would be sniffed.


When I was traveling abroad, I came across this lemon-scented ethyl alcohol product that people were using to help with their nausea during rough bus rides in the country side. The roads were very bad and everyone was getting sick. This product was being passed around on the bus and it really helps with the nausea.


At one point, I was also very nauseated and would pour this on a tissue and sniff it to get through it. I think it was just lemon oil mixed with ethyl alcohol. It certainly didn't cause any euphoria or anything like that though, which is good.
- SarahGen
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@pleonasm-- I agree with you. Even though we have modern medicine available, in some countries the medical facilities are very poor or just lacking in general. So I'm sure that ethyl alcohol continues to be used in such places where anesthesia is not available. And it might just be people trying to treat themselves or going to elders for treatment and alcohol is all that's available. It's sad but true.
- ddljohn
4)

I call ethyl alcohol "rubbing alcohol" and we always keep a bottle of this in our first aid cabinet at home and our first aid bag in the car. I think it's a great way to kill germs when you have a dirty wound that needs more than soap and water.


I go hiking a lot and I have fallen and scraped my leg and arm on a couple of occasions. When you're out in nature, dust and dirt usually get into the wound and increase the risk of infection. So that's when I use rubbing alcohol on it to get rid of all the germs.
- literally45
3)

@pleonasm - It is pretty cool that now you can just buy ethyl alcohol from any pharmacy and use it to sterilize anything you need sterilized.

But my favorite use of alcohol in a fictional historical setting has to be from Quantum Leap. There was an episode where he had to stop a woman from going into labor because the baby was too early and they would have lost it.

And, he makes the doctor give her intravenous alcohol to stop her contractions. I have no idea if that would work in real life (although I suspect they based the episode on real science) but it was pretty clever and not a medical use for alcohol that would be recommended these days!
- umbra21
2)

I will always be grateful that I live in a time where we have access to better pain relief and anesthesia than alcohol. I can't even imagine the pain that people had to go through once, just to have common procedures done. Often the shock alone would kill people.

I visited an old operating theater that is now a museum when I was in London and they described what we would now consider to be fairly advanced procedures, all of which were done to patients who were tied down on the table and given a bit of alcohol if they were lucky. The sad thing is, that alcohol would have been of more use to them if it was poured over the site of their operation.

Once again, thank god that we live in a world where we don't have to make the choice between dying and facing that kind of torture.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol/medical uses

http://m.wisegeek.org/what-are-the-medical-uses-of-ethyl-alcohol.htm

Pastor Kun: Bros but you believe in scriptures na and the same scriptures recommends wine for stomach ache. Are you saying that you rate medical science above scriptures

leave him.

He is blind in all sides.

Bidam: Let's leave scriptures aside may be i missed this point in medical school..from a medical point of view can you pls enlighten us how ethanol(alcohol) can be used in curing stomach bacteria?

Deceitful people like you are a west of my time.

If you dont know that alcohol can be use for disinfectant, your ignorance is not just the bible.

I cant start telling you all the purpose that alcohol has been put to here.

You went to Medical school and left it and start chasing after tith instead of earning a living with your own hands. Fraud.

Goshen360: ^ ^ ^
Some body please come help me here oooooooooooooooooo. I don laugh tire and rolling on the floor. Truthislight, you no go kill person ooooo.

Bro, people like Ola are very dangerous.

They twist the scriptures to suite their limitations.
Peace.

OLAADEGBU: It is commandment not admonition to totally abstain from alcohol. You can't get drunk if you don't drink.

(Ephesians 5:18).



If intoxication is the benchmark here, how do you know when to stop drinking before you get intoxicated?



Is this your own advise or have you got scriptural backing?

Yes, i said it, here lies your problem, lack of self control:

OLAADEGBU: If intoxication is the benchmark here, how do you know when to stop drinking before you get intoxicated?

^^^ your problem identified ^^^

your dont know when to stop.

You lack self control.

Unfortunately for you, self control is an aspect(fruitage) of God's spirit.

You need help, Yes, seriouse help.

Meanwhile, stop abusing the word of God.

Thank you.

OLAADEGBU: I think you need lesson 101 in reading and understanding the scriptures. Jesus was talking about food there, is alcohol food?

Read verse 17 and you will see where our Lord Jesus Christ is coming from:

(Matthew 15:17).

All our Lord Jesus Christ is saying here is that no food defiles a person. He was talking about foods that go into the body, gets digested and nurishes the body before the waste is dumped as number.

So, alcohol enters the belly through your an.us abi!

Your case is really worst than i thought.

OLAADEGBU: Alcohol is not food, its poison.

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so, when it is use as medicine to control bacterial, it is poison to the person body

Your lot will always go beyond what is written.

Too much food can kill you also, in that case food is poison.

Your imbalance and irrationality is epic.

OLAADEGBU: When you are intoxicated it means you are poisoned.

When you eat too much and vomit, and develop obesity, it means you have eaten poison. (rubbish reasoning)

OLAADEGBU: The moment you get intoxicated your body begins to protest with confused thinking,

drunkenness is bad and a sin and drunkard will not inherit God's kingdom.

And again, The moment you eat too much food your body begins to protest with confused thinking also.

the bible ask for balance for both food and drink(alcoholic drink )

too much of anything is bad including over rigeousness, even too much s.ex kills.

Stop being silly, use your head.

The bible is balance.

How can one be a drunkard if one was not to test alcohol at all?

Stop the lies.

If you dont have self control, then that is your sickness.

Were you a drunk befor?
Only former drunk talk like you do.

OLAADEGBU: Can we also include rat poison as to what can go into the mouth?.

What is that ^

Are you ok mr man?

Do you drink rat poison like one drinks alcohol?

Is rat poison ment for human consumption?

Rat poison and alcohol, are they the same?

Is alcoholic drink classified as "poison"?

Are you normal?

So, Yahwe that once ask the Israelite to take alcoholic drink was asking them to take qpoison"? (Deut.14:26)

"And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household," (Deuteronomy 14:26).
.....................

Who are you by the way? Are you sick?

Imagine this self righteouse hypocrite!

Do you think this place is your business centre(your church) where you spoo rubbish and lies to the sheeple?

You are a disgrace to the bible.

Rat poison = alcoholic drink

You are really a west of time.

I dont think you know what you are doing.
*sigh*

truthislight: And where is he?

So, he does not really or fully understand the bible and yet he teaches it! Na wa for pastor o!

where you come go nah!

Where art thou?

truthislight: Who is this? ^.

Good thinking.

I will rather ask all those who curse on eternal life to first give answers to this questions if they are not hypocrite:

1. Pick a day you will/wish to die.
2. State in full the promises/conditions during eternal life in the bible context.

Your proper exposition on this ^^^ will show that YOU are not just a bunch of lunatics.
Thanks.

If you cant give answer to one, it means that living on and on is a default design that is not yet as it is obtainable.

[quote author=Lord_Reed]My mental picture of Heaven may or may not be the truth but I will not promote it as the truth either way. What is important is that you keep your ideas within the bounds of what has been revealed and is in agreement with scripture.[/quote]Once again thank you.

[quote author=Lord_Reed]The true virtue of eternal life is not in it's length but in it's quality. God is not saving us to become a stagnated bunch of "undead" like the vampires of popular fiction. Rather we shall be like trees who are ever growing and will flourish in sound quality as long as they have the right nutrients and conditions.

I think the idea that we will be singing and praising all day long is a misinterpretation of the conditions of the after life. Some things like the fact that in Heaven people still eat are often overlooked in favour of the notion that eternal beings have no need to eat. Even Jesus says He will drink wine again.

Ponder more on the scriptures than on the fables built around it.[/quote]Who is this? ^.

Good thinking.

I will rather ask all those who curse on eternal life to first give answers to this questions if they are not hypocrite:

1. Pick a day you will/wish to die.
2. State in full the promises/conditions during eternal life in the bible context.

Your proper exposition on this ^^^ will show that YOU are not just a bunch of lunatics.
Thanks.

Pastor Kun: Olaadegbu you see your life? If you keep twisting scripture and preaching false doctrines, you would only expose yourself to ridicule. Now you are running away from your own thread you created, SHAME.

And where is he?

So, he does not really or fully understanding the bible and yet he teaches it! Na wa for pastor o!