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Misogynist2014:
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.)

For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

But as Christians, we should we should obey law because it is good. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 1 Timothy 1:8 ►

truthman2012:
So you can sin your way into heaven?

Look, a true Christian commits sin only by mistake, and when he realizes it, he ask for forgiveness and repents of it.

1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth
sin transgresseth also the
law: for sin is the
transgression of the law.

I John 3:6
No one who abides in
him keeps on sinning; no
one who keeps on sinning
has either seen him or
known him.

I John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of
the devil; for the devil
sinneth from the beginning.
For this purpose the Son of
God was manifested, that he
might destroy the works of
the devil

I John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God
does not commit sin; for his
nature (seed) remains in him: and
he cannot sin, because he is
born of God.

What more?

If as a Christian you still indulge in sin, you are not under the grace of Christ, who is not a minister of sin.

Misogynist2014:
Why then did Jesus die? Are you telling me you're righteous!?( 2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any
that did understand, and seek God.
3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth
good, no, not one.) Salvation is by faith..... For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Misogynist2014:
Many think that Paul and Jesus contradict one another because one teaches grace and the other law, respectively. But its not contradictory, because Jesus said: Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy,
but to fulfil.

Jesus fulfilled the law so that we will be free from law by grace through faith and believe in Christ( For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.) but as Christians we are expected to keep the law ( What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?) because the law is good. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is
written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: The Jews are under the law and will be judged by law, we are under grace and shall be judged by grace. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as
have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

Even James showed how hard the law is( For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking
all of it.), howbeit, whoever keeps the law will also be saved but Jesus came to us so that salvation can be free gift, not to abolish the law since accepting law is accepting him because He is God ( In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God). For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: @ ifeness this is what is meant by fulfilment of law.

Goshen360:
Again, this law is the law of the Spirit NOT the mosaic law.

Goshen360:
You probably just want to believe what you want. I mentioned this, this law is not the existing law even though you find yourself doing things contained in the existing law. Did God put the law in you or His Spirit?

Goshen360:
When you study every context of Christ ministry, you will see some contradicting statement. At a point, Christ said, don't go to the gentiles. At another point, he said go to all. It was also written, he came to save HIS OWN people. Another said, to save the whole world. At some point, he gives harder laws and at some point, he violates things written in the law. That tells me, it is not what the law says to do but what was written about him in the law that he came to fulfil.

Paul the Apostle by revelation said, Christ came to redeem THOSE under the law. First, who are those people? You and me? Certainly not. 2. If he was redeeming them from under the law, is he putting them back under the law from which he redeemed them?

So, to your questions. Christ operated under the FLESH that is, atmosphere of the law to bury people in the law and he operated under the SPIRIT, that's atmosphere of Grace and truth to show the glimpse of the new covenant. These things you will read in the epistles.

Goshen360:
Chai, it seems you're still confused or you just want to believe what you want to believe. The Mosaic law as a whole is ABOLISHED by the finished works of Christ, the 10 commandments inclusive. You're left with the law of the Spirit of life through Christ.

If you don't understand the above statement, I will find time to explain but not now. You're mixing up things that's why you thinking the law God was going to write in our heart or spirit is the same as the mosaic law. I will open scriptures for you whenever I have the time.

God bless you!

Acekidc4:
ISLAM.....A BEAST
They start accumulating in countries and then start terrorizing it with gangs of rapist, violence and civil disruption.

They are possessed, demon possessed. They seek to spread fear and violence, they are pawns of the devil who feeds off of the fear and suffering they create for Power.

Just as their leader, Mohammed, they use"GOD" as an excuse to prey on innocent people. Mohammed was a robber and a thief, his followers are no different.

It is not the MOST High GOD they serve but SATAN
Don't you think the Arabs make it hard for themselves to garner sympathy from the western civilized Nation when all they do is preach the death and destruction of those very Nations.

Their Religion is one of Hate, not Love

Every Religion thinks they are the only ones serving the true God and going to Heaven. The Jews, the Moslems, the Catholics and the Protestants. God does not live in a Book, He lives in the heart of those who truly love and worship Him.


Religions are used to Manipulate and Control Mankind to Further Political agenda!!


Am sorry if I have step on anyone's nerve with this Post!! Just My Thoughts!!

Goshen360:


My brother, I have studied Romans 7 and the whole of Romans as a whole. If any preacher\teacher of the word hasn't study Roman which is the entry point to the new covenant, such person is yet to begin.

I have never said, Grace means one is lawless. The laws we keep is in obedience to the law of the Spirit, not the Mosaic. This law of the Spirit, you as a Christ knows it is not right to steal, kill etc. But when you don't do these things, someone like you will see it as obeying the things written in the Mosaic law but no, it is not!

The people taught Paul was only talking about some aspects of the Law in Romans 7 but Paul showed that, he was talking about the whole law as one, the 10 commandments inclusive. We're free from all the law. Our obedience is the the law of faith in th Spirit of God which leads to life.

Expanded Bible (EXB)
(Those who are not Jews [Gentiles] do not have the law, but when they ·freely [by nature; instinctively] do what the law commands, they ·are the law for themselves [or reveal their awareness of God’s law]. This is true even though they do not have the law [ the written law of Moses].

King James Bible
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Romans 2:14

^ The above verses says:

1. The Gentiles, that is, YOU & ME....DO NOT HAVE THE LAW. That is, the Law OF MOSES wasn't written to US
2. It says, WE DO THINGS contained in the law. How? By our nature.....I would call this OUR NEW NATURE in Christ
3. This does not equal obeying the law of Moses even though we see ourselves carrying out what's written in the law of Moses. We are only carrying out BY NATURE of our new man, things contained in the law. So, the Spirit of God in you doesn't tell you to steal, kill, murder etc.

Goshen360:
Someone above me said, you receive God's grace to be able to live God's law. That's no what Grace does. You live out Christ in you for Grace is in contrast with the law. So you can't receive Grace to live the law. Both don't co-exist.

malvisguy212:
Firstly, what is the law, and what is its
purpose?
The law is a manifestation of the perfect
holiness of God, and was given to us
(humanity) to show how utterly unable
we are to meet God's standard by our
own means, strength or works (Romans
7:7).

When the law was introduced, it was
never intended to be the instrument by
which man would save himself, but it
was the instrument through which man
was to be saved. In a very real sense,
man is saved through the fulfilment
(keeping) of the law. When Christ fulfilled the law, he earned the privilege of life.

The law shows us our sinfulness as a
contrast to God's holiness. Old Testament
saints who were called righteous relied
upon the grace of God for their right
standing with God, not their success at
keeping the law.

When Jesus is said to have fulfilled the
law, it means that>>>>
HE PERFECTLY KEPT THE
LAW AND HE IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE TO FOLLOW, AND NEVER SINNED (1 Peter
2:22). This was therefore a manifestation
of and testimony to His deity.

Obviously
something no other man could possibly
do.
He didn't come to abolish the law means
that the law remains the law and is (still)
perfect (Romans 7:12). Even after we
enter the New Pact in Jesus' blood (Mark
14:24), which places believers under
grace not under law (Romans 6:15),
therefore in a sense abolishing the law
for believers, the law remains as a
testament of God's holiness and our
inability to meet His standard.

Something
that remains true even after conversion
(Romans 7:19).


It meant that He never sinned, and
therefore that He is God. As a result of
that, it also means His sacrifice was a full
(infinite) payment for sin, and therefore
that the just punishment for
transgression of the law (of all believers)
was fulfilled too. He fulfilled the law for
us, because we couldn't. He didn't come
to abolish the law, because He didn't just
say "the law no longer applies", He came
to pay the penalty for the breaking of the
law.

When Jesus came to fulfil the law (i.e.
obedience leads to life; disobedience
leads to death) he did just that. Notice
He didn't say, that old law's not good,
don't worry about it (i.e. abolish it); what
he did, instead, was to come saying the
law is good, and he is the fulfulment of
it.

Joyful77:
Hmm... Thank you for your time.

But I don't agree with you. Laws in scriptures are NOT meant to be a 'one time affair' as you portrayed it here. They're laid down instructions to be followed by men for as long as life exists.

nutarious:
[color=#000099] lol, ur point is 1st class, how come he couldnt protect the bible lol

me i have some questions for muslims


if am kemi, and from osun. how is it possible for someone to tell me osun is in Northern Nigeria.................?

thats what islam is trying to do, abrahm is jew, david, jacob down history...........................to joseph to our lord JESUS....................are all jews by lineage, and islam originates from ARABS............................................HOW COME ISLAM IS CLAIMING THEY KNOW MORE THAN THE JEWS LOL?

Its like someone coming out and saying to me ur dad is not ur dad or u are from sudan................hun?

kinda funny,
question 2= xtianity has been before mohamed was born...............................and the bible already written before he was born, how come he knew who jesus and marry was lol? epic irony of truth lol...............

question 3,
JESUS came and preach peace and told us where he is going, the bibble has so many witness and jesus himself never wrote an epistle as of time he was alive, my Q is who bears witness to mohammed receiving quaran in terms of seeing the angel , how can u guys trust the account of mohamed seeing the angel alone......................................jesus disciples saw angels,saw elijah, moses etc and are witnesses who witness the angel, am not saying that were they there am saying who among the followers of mohamed saw this angel?


q4, why is the teaching of jesus so dift from that of mohammed, mohammed is radical and jesus was not, the questions is is the muslim GOD nnot sure of his policies to have send a warring prophet after a peaceful prophet.....................


q5..........................


abraham , moses down to david and solomon spake hebrew, why would ur GOD now decides to place arabic as a mandatory serving language, kinda funny.................................................


q6

why is islam so radical, for example,

go to a church and trow stone into the congregation as a muslim and let a xtian do same to a muslim gathering and see the sfter effect.........................................islam is wey just too radical.......................lol


i have lots of questions, this islam of a faith is so unreal that no matter how u package it it will never exonerate mohamed from been a warrring prophet.....

i wait for answers, shalom

Abuamam:
SMH.

I absolutely refuse to be drawn into answering the same question dozens of times. One thing I cannot do is bestow logical reasoning on a group of closed minds.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible

Go and celebrate Ishtar/ Easter.

malvisguy212:
good morning sir.nice talk.

Abuamam:
The originals are long gone. That your scriptures have little authenticity is not just my opinion. It is the opinion of Bible scholars and historians. However, some content is still truthfully transmitted; though not that much. The Qur'an was revealed therefore, to correct the misconceptions caused by the circulating fakes.

God sent the original Taurah and Injeel to the people of Israel specifically as temporary law. It was intended from the beginning to be superseded by a Universal faith to come later; Islam, which was to be faithfully preserved; since no new faith would supersede it until the Day of Judgement. God did not see fit to preserve that which was made to pass away later. In the case of the Injeel, it is doubtful that Isa (as) even wrote any scripture down. He merely taught verbally, making it easier to falsify his message after his parting. The message of Islam however, was carefully preserved by the practice of mass memorisation of the Qur'an... to the letter; as well as the development of a comprehensive system of authentication and verification of every word/ action performed by the prophet (saw) during his lifetime, with chains of narrators up to the present day.

RoyPCain:
@ truthman2012:


i can seriously say that most non muslims in my age group are after every skirt and whats in it. i can comfortably tell you that it is Islam of Muhammad [SA] that has prevented me. your president, mr goodluck has a baby mama. no? i come from his generation, and i don't have that and its not because there are no willing party. you can see the goodness of Islam here. an adoption is artificial. blood lineage is what defines true family and people want to be sure and the paternity test is common because papa could be a maybe until certified. bobby christiana the daughter of wheatney houston and bobby brown demonstrated this by choosing as a lover a boy that could not have been treated less than wheatney's son. the young people knew that they didn't have blood tied. they are even smarter than you, in spite of them using the good thinking to do evil of fornication. imagine a scenario where your adopted son and your son slept with a female member of your family; say your wife or if you want your daughter or sister. which one of the two boys has done something of truly forbidden as in incest, in breeding; your biological son or your adopted son who is germanic blood [lol]?



no where in the Quran is a 72 virgins. if you know it in the Quran, show it to me. you are just talking to an empty gallery. only a demented soul will listen to you because he/she believes what has not evidence, written or truly uttered. cursed is satan. do you curse your friend as i have cursed satan here or its your enemy you curse like that? how do you curse satan if you curse him and compare it to what i just said about the evil satan, here? which of the two curses do you think is more potent?

we in islam do not practice temporary marriage and 4/24 does not mean it, otherwise what do you think stop any muslim male from doing it, especially since you are accusing us of 'over womanizing'? the americans say exchange her for two twenties, to mean about their wives that are at least 40 years old. and you will claim that america is a christian country. no? in this case, the masters in christendom are dehumanizing even their wives and nothing sells in the west except the woman is in tiny weeny bikinis. you wonder if the woman is for sale or comes with the product. you people are something else. unfortunately, we muslims are following you footstep by footstep. i pray that we turn around from 'doing follow follow'. amin.

Muhammad [SA] didn't marry 40 wives, so your lie here is busted. having strength of 40 men was a description of him [SA] by people [RA]. this is similar to Moses underestimating his own strength against the egyptian because he mere pushed him away resulting in his death. or do you think Moses intentionally killed him? i will want to know your view here. King Solomon had 700 wives and topped that with another 300 to make 1,000 women. now do you think he is as weak as you or he must have at least double your strength, even 40 times? how many times do you think he would need to get to each in a year and still be able to be a just ruler of stubborn people for as long as he ruled? by the way, he got queen sheeba pregnant in addition to the 1,000 because the ethiopians will tell you that their royalty is from this relationship. your problem is that you in ignorance erroneously point a finger at me, when there is no need because i am not wrong, yet you forgot that at least 2 are pointing back at you and the 1 pointing somewhere else may actually be directing you to the crime you committed but dont wanna own up to it.

commandment od stoning adultery therefore is an evidence againist your accusation that Islam permits adultery, except what you call adultery is not so for the mind of decent people who are not slaves to human laws. i remember a woman realizing that i am a product of polygamy because of her christianity calling me what i do not belong to. i asked her how her mother was married? i said thats how my father married my mother; her father gave her to my father by agreeing to the marriage. my grandmother [ra] was there, so were many from both families and well wishers and dowry was paid and feast was had after it. my mother was not a pregnant woman before it. my sister was born over a year after the marriage and me later. my father couldn't have been involved in side chick relationship, meeting woman in alley ways or hotels. no sir. real men involve themselves in real marriages and will not go outside of it. societies where women are at least 4 times the men, it is injustice to say 3 of the women have no right to marry, but just only 1 because you brought in an artificial concept that God did not institute because Abraham, Jacob, David, Solomon didnt practice it and God did not rebuke any of them for having more than 1 wife! let your 3 sister remain a lifelong spinster and you will hear their curses on you wherever you are. some women are wealthy enough to care for themselves. some don't mind being co-wife. there are men that are wealthy enough to handle responsibilities that you shy away from. some men want more than 1 wife as you may want more than 1 garment. the beauty of women is not always you see 1 you see them all.



genevieve nnaji is not my taste, but she could be yours. so imagine she is your slave that you see 24/7. imagine that and see how quickly you will tell her to sit next to you in bed. if she is not able to do anything for a year or 2 and she is looking always pretty to you and you have her cds playing everyday, who will stop you from getting to her; you? [you make me laugh]. as much as she is not my style, i will not let not know what it means to be a woman. if she is halal in my house, she is halal for sure. i know your hypocrite soul will plead 5th amendment.


immorality? what is moral except that you point to what encourage you to do? when God encouraged the children of israel to take the virgins for themselves, do you think it will not be immoral if they didnt, but kill them all, instead? do you think Moses would have been moral if he didn't kill those of the towns God said he should wage wars against and kill them all? what if he didn't war against them and kill them as God commanded? would he be moral or immoral? can anyone have better morality than God, the Master of all that are sincerely Moral?

deceiver? Planner is the right word. you are the deceiver, the plotter of evil.

kay1one2:
Bet your father sleeps with your girlfriend. Its islam. Any crap is possible!

malvisguy212:
calling myself a child of God is a foolishness? Allah condemned the faith of christians and the Jews in the quranic verse the op qoute but still ask the muslims to confirmed there book for guidance, which kind of confusion is this?

tartar9:
He(SAW) married his adopted son former wife and so what,can you point out the immorality there.the rest of what you emitted is pure nonsense.

RoyPCain:
so if we were to transport ourselves [make a theater stage of events and we are the audience; visualize, people.] to the time the time of Jesus [AS], which is correct, the bible narratives that clearly neither Jesus was speaking nor his disciples but other persons, since at the event of baptism, how many people were there but John and Jesus? if Jesus didn't report this, obviously he didn't and John didn't report it, obviously he didn't, who did but somebody going back while was not there, but fabricated a tantalizing story?

how is the way of John be what Jesus will submit to, considering what the christians have said of Jesus? if John purified with baptism, Jesus must have been purified when he got baptized. or is there any possibility to explain this away without Jesus being not purified until baptism? can son of man [John son of Zacharias] make pure son of God, except that you people falsely call Jesus son of God?

lets look at the sentence structure that started the thread by the op, claiming that God called Jesus His son. if you think it through without religious bias because you think your forefathers can be wrong you will see that God was not the Speaker, but somebody else wishing that Jesus is more than the generic foolish title the jews give themselves [children of God]. well, your forefathers had no knowledge which was why they were wrong then. you are wrong now because of the same arrogance they had [you are not utilizing the knowledge you are getting here].


no wonder Jesus disclaimed that he was just the same as the children of Israel say of themselves. Jesus disclaimed to help you because he knew by revelation that you will have a wrong belief of him and his mission in relation to God, the single message of God to prophets before and the one he gave the good news of his coming after him.

your attitude to guidance is similar to that of those people who hate the true faith; be it in the time of Noah, etc, etc, Moses as Pharaoh did, others, including Goliath. you may not be different from those who rejected Jesus [AS] in his time, except that you don't know it. if you know it, this is worse because you will be a hypocrite.


if you think the rules that will apply in paradise is what applies now on earth, think again. you are thinking like a baby in the womb thinking that his umbilical cord will be what his nutrient will come to him when he is alive out of momma's womb. the rules change and they are not the same in paradise as on earth.

Asuokaa:
I think Allah is God...in their own terms...like how olorun(yoruba) is God..

asadike:
How can jesus come from that blood sucking demon called allah?

kay1one2:
Allah is the god of the "belly" and flesh. Trying to put man in some self-centered, self righteous hypocritical position of being able to attain salvation through works of the flesh!
Works (religious activities bordering on paganism) can never save man as depicted even in the jewish laws which were just a cover till the coming of the Messiah; Jesus.
Salvation is only in one name Jesus given as a free gift to mankind through God's benevolence and attained by those truthful enough to themselves to believe!