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Abuamam:
Yes, but the majority of western-educated people who do not speak Arabic define Muslim as a follower of prophet Muhammad (saw). That was even implied in your question about Abraham (as). Muslim means anyone who submits to the Will of Allah and is monotheist. This includes Adam.

Yes. Muslims after the prophet Muhammad (saw) believe the Quran is the word of Allah. We also believe that other messages/ Books were sent with some of the other prophets (not all prophets though came with Scriptures). Over the times, these messages were corrupted and people incorporated sectional or personal interest themes into them, in order to give these themes Godly sanction. For this reason, Allah made the last Scripture (the Quran), incorruptible, by inculcating in the final set of Muslims, a tradition of memorising; partially or fully; the complete scripture by heart; by every Muslim man, woman or child; since the time it was revealed to the prophet Muhammad (saw). He also ensured the perpetuation of the Quran by mandating its recitation in every prayer, 5 times daily, and encouraging its complete recitation during the lunar month of Ramadhan... for 15centuries; by literally BILLIONS of Muslims. This assured its authenticity, since there was no total reliance on books or written documents that were exclusive to a specific class of people alone; and hence, easily corruptible. In addition, we have narrations about the prophet (saw), his life and sayings, which supplement our understanding of the Quran, to minimise false exegesis... each person giving his own understanding.

Yes, we believe Allah is infallible. The corruption of His earlier scriptures were by His permission. People were entrusted with the scriptures and they deliberately changed them, through the free will invested in them, in order to suit certain sectarian purpose. Many might have believed that their versions were superior to the original. Different versions and hearsay writings emerged and meanings and authors got lost in translations. All these events were permitted by Allah, since those Scriptures were meant for a specific time and place. Only the Quran was meant for all places and till the end of time, which is expected. Therefore it was kept intact and pure.

How could allah permit corruption of his word and still say:

Perfected is the
Word of thy Lord in truth and justice. There is naught (nothing) that can
change His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower (Quran 6:115).

Where did he permit the corruption as he said nothing can change his words? Muslims and their lies.

mmsen:
There are some who claim that it was built by Abraham to honor Allah.

The problem with this theory is that there is no historical evidence of Abraham ever having existed as described in the Bible/Torah/Koran.

There is evidence that the Kaaba was built prior to the foundation of Islam. There is more evidence that it was built to commemorate another god by the name of Hubal.

It must have been built by the Meccan pagans based on this evidence:

https://www.nairaland.com/2253144/islam-among-arabs

Abuamam:
No comprende. Muchos disparates.
Sin seguimiento.

Smh!

Abuamam:
Jesus is going to be with us Muslims in heaven insha Allah; not you. We alone submit to the will of God.

BTW, do you really hate your father and mother? Just curious.

You alone submit to islamic allahh, an arabian god who revealed demonic revelations to muhammad like pagan priests receive messages from their idols. The true God who speaks to His prophets directly do not make people unconscious before He could speak to them. The word of islamic allahh is not the word of the true God.

Satan has deceived the muslims, saying Abraham built Kaaba and the same time said he never sent any messangers to the Arabs before Muhammad. What a fraudulent allah. No wonder none of you could say any reasonable thing on my thread on it. Go there and tell your own lie instead of avoiding it.

See it here: https://www.nairaland.com/2253144/islam-among-arabs

How can you be with Jesus inside hell your allahh has prepared for you? If you have been deceived to deceive others, you won't succeed in deceiving those innocent muslims reading this, who just find themselves in islam by birth.

Abuamam:
Now they are using the Quran and hadith to explain their bible. Lol.
Wrongly, I might add.

Even following your reasoning, at least Muslims will be removed from there, unlike those who do not hate their parents among the xtians.

They will be inside hellfire for an indefinite period of time before (some and not all) will be removed. It is a deception as what qualifies you to be inside hell will make you remain there forever.

Jesus said in my Father's house are many mansions, I am coming to take you to myself so that where am there you will also be (John 14:1-3). Where is Jesus? Heaven.

You can remain a muslim if you can afford to go to hell immediately you die and not even sure you will be among the people who will be removed.

larrymoore

Muslims cannot understand the mind of Jesus until they have the Spirit of Him. You can only know the letters and not the meaning. This shows in the way you interpret the Bible.

Luke 14:26
King James Version (KJV)
26. If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

The word 'hate' here means hating what they do - your father, mother, wife, children, brethren, sisters and even your own life. The reason Jesus came what to correct the Jews any anybody coming from Judaism to Christ must begin to hate the deed of the Jews, for which Jesus was saying "woe unto them". If Jesus meant hating your people, would He have included hating your own self? That tells you He meant their deed and not their person.

King James Version (KJV)
15. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Revelation 21:8

This is talking about hating their person and not their deed.

King James Version (KJV)
8. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the
lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the
second death

.

This is talking about killings, like muslims are doing in the name of allah.

It is in islam muslims are promised Hell Fire till the Day of Judgement when some will be removed and made to enter paradise. How long can you afford to be inside Hellfire?

Every soul will taste of death. And ye will be paid on the Day of Resurrection only that which ye have fairly earned. Whoso is removed from the Fire and is made to enter paradise, he indeed is triumphant. The life of this world is but comfort of illusion (Quran 3:185)

This is further explained by this hadith:

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12 Number 770
Narated By Abu Huraira : The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He replied, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the full moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?" They replied, "No, O Allah's Apostle!" He said, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They replied in the negative. He said, "You will see Allah (your Lord) in the same way. On the Day of Resurrection, people will be gathered and He will order the people to follow what they used to worship. So some of them will follow the sun, some will follow the moon, and some will follow other deities; and only this nation (Muslims) will be left with its hypocrites. Allah will come to them and say, 'I am Your Lord.' They will say, 'We shall stay in this place till our Lord comes to us and when our Lord will come, we will recognize Him. Then Allah will come to them again and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our Lord.' Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid across Hell and I (Muhammad) shall be the first amongst the Apostles to cross it with my followers. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, 'O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.'

There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa'dan in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of Sa'dan?" The people said, "Yes." He said, "These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa'dan but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whomever He likes amongst the people of Hell,He will order the angels to take out of Hell those who worshipped none but Him alone (muslims).[/b]The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of prostrations, for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. [b]AT THAT TIME THEY WILL COME OUT OF THE FIRE as mere skeletons..............

If you die as a muslim, that is what is awaiting you.

Empiree:
Let's drop a pipe bomb since today is Sunday

[size=20pt]Does Christianity have a Future?[/size]


A new study shows Christianity on the decline in the wealthy West, with Islam surging. What Would Jesus Say? It’s not what you think.
A study released by the Pew Forum last week demonstrates that the future of the religious world is rapidly and dramatically changing. Differences in fertility rates and the high incidence of conversion make Islam the world’s fastest-growing religion. And, if current rates continue, by 2070 Islam could be the world’s largest.

Between now and 2050 the number of Muslims is projected to rise to 2.8 billion, a 35 percent increase. While India will continue to be predominantly Hindu, it will also be home to the world’s largest Muslim population. And, by 2050, Muslims are slated to make up 10 percent of Europe’s population and be the largest non-Christian religion in the U.S.

Jesus and Paul would like to see their followers focused on God and spreading the word.
Missionary activity,
not marital productivity,
is the order of the day.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/12/does-christianity-have-a-future.html

This is not new. Jesus said 'when i come back will i find faith?'. It means heaven is not for the majority but minority. What is your joy if you are among the majority going to hell?

Yet they say there is no compulsion in religion. Satanists

The words of the quran are not the words of the true God. While God spoke directly to His prophets and they hear Him, Muhammad received quranic revelations the exact way pagan priests receive revelations from their idols.

1. Muhammad experienced ringing in his ears, like bell and sweat was on his forehead:

Narrated 'Aisha: (the mother of
the faithful
believers)
Al-Harith bin Hisham asked Allah's
Apostle "O
Allah's Apostle! How is the Divine
Inspiration revealed to you?"
Allah's
Apostle replied, "Sometimes it is
(revealed) like the ringing of a
bell, this form of Inspiration is the
hardest of all and then this state
passes ' off after I have grasped
what is inspired. Sometimes the
Angel comes
in the form of a man and talks to
me and I grasp whatever he says."
'Aisha
added: Verily I saw the Prophet
being inspired Divinely on a very
cold day and
noticed the Sweat dropping from
his forehead (as the Inspiration
wasover).
(Bukhari: Vol. 1, Book 1, No. 2).

2. His face was red and he and would breath heavily:

Narrated Safwan bin Ya'la bin
Umaiya:
Ya'la used to say, "I wish I could
see
Allah's Apostle at the time he is
being inspired Divinely." When the
Prophet was at Al-Ja'rana and was
shaded by a garment hanging
over him and some
of his companions were with him,
a man perfumed with scent came
and said,
"O Allah's Apostle! What is your
opinion regarding a man who
assumes Ihram
and puts on a cloak after
perfuming his body with scent?"
The Prophet
waited for a while, and then the
Divine Inspiration descended upon
him. 'Umar
pointed out to Ya'la, telling him to
come. Ya'la came and pushed his
head
(underneath the screen which was covering the
Prophet ) and behold! The
Prophet's face was red and he
kept on breathing heavily for a
while and then he
was relieved. Thereupon he said,
"Where is the questioner who
asked me
about 'Umra a while ago?" The
man was sought and then was
brought before
the Prophet who said (to him), "As
regards the scent which you
perfumed
your body with, you must wash it
off thrice, and as for your cloak,
you must
take it off; and then perform in
your 'Umra all those things which
you perform
in Hajj."
(Bukhari: Volume 6, Book
61, Number 508).

3. He would suddenly fall down or lie down; he wanted to be covered by a blanket:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
that he heard the Prophet saying,
"The Divine
Inspiration was delayed for a
short period but suddenly, as I
was walking. I
heard a voice in the sky, and when
I looked up towards the sky, to my
surprise,
I saw the angel who had come to
me in the Hira Cave,
and he was sitting on a chair in
between the sky and the earth. I
was so
frightened by him that I fell on the
ground and came to my family
and said
(to them), 'Cover me! (with a
blanket), cover me!' Then Allah
sent the
Revelation: "O, You wrapped up
(In a blanket)! (Arise and warn! (Bukhari: Volume 4, Book
54, Number 461).

4. He would fall down unconscious:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
When the Ka'ba was rebuilt, the
Prophet and 'Abbas
went to carry stones. 'Abbas said
to the Prophet "(Take off and) put
your
waist sheet over your neck so that
the stones may not hurt
you." (But as
soon as he took off his waist
sheet) he fell unconscious on the
ground with
both his eyes towards the sky.
When he came to his senses, he
said,
"My waist sheet! My waist sheet!"
Then he tied his waist sheet
(round his waist) (Bukhari: Volume 5, Book
58, Number 170).

5. He would snore like a camel:

Narrated Safwan bin Ya'la bin
Umaiya from his
father who said:
"A man came to the Prophet while
he was at Ji'rana.
The man was wearing a cloak
which had traces of Khaluq or
Sufra (a kind of
perfume). The man asked (the
Prophet), 'What do you order me
to perform in my
'Umra?' So, Allah inspired the
Prophet divinely and he was
screened by a place
of cloth. I wished to see the
Prophet being divinely inspired.
'Umar
said to me, 'Come! Will you be
pleased to look at the Prophet
while Allah is
inspiring him?' I replied in the
affirmative. 'Umar lifted one
corner of the
cloth and I looked at the Prophet
who was snoring. (The sub-
narrator thought
that he said: The snoring was like
that of a camel). When that state
was
over, the Prophet asked, "Where is
the questioner who asked about
'Umra?
Put off your cloak and wash away
the traces of Khaluq from your
body and clean
the Sufra (yellow color) and
perform in your Umra what you
perform in your Hajj
(i.e. the Tawaf round the Ka'ba
and the Sa'i between Safa and
Marwa). "
(Bukhari: Volume 3, Book
27, Number 17).

@ Ifeann

Great work.

God spoke to His prophets and they hear him direct. But for Muhammad, he received revelations from all.ah as pagans receive revelations from their idols. The words of the quran are not the words of the true God:

1. Muhammad experienced ringing in his ears, like bell and sweat was on his forehead:

Narrated 'Aisha: (the mother of
the faithful
believers)
Al-Harith bin Hisham asked Allah's
Apostle "O
Allah's Apostle! How is the Divine
Inspiration revealed to you?"
Allah's
Apostle replied, "Sometimes it is
(revealed) like the ringing of a
bell, this form of Inspiration is the
hardest of all and then this state
passes ' off after I have grasped
what is inspired. Sometimes the
Angel comes
in the form of a man and talks to
me and I grasp whatever he says."
'Aisha
added: Verily I saw the Prophet
being inspired Divinely on a very
cold day and
noticed the Sweat dropping from
his forehead (as the Inspiration
wasover).
(Bukhari: Vol. 1, Book 1, No. 2).

2. His face was red and he and would breath heavily:

Narrated Safwan bin Ya'la bin
Umaiya:
Ya'la used to say, "I wish I could
see
Allah's Apostle at the time he is
being inspired Divinely." When the
Prophet was at Al-Ja'rana and was
shaded by a garment hanging
over him and some
of his companions were with him,
a man perfumed with scent came
and said,
"O Allah's Apostle! What is your
opinion regarding a man who
assumes Ihram
and puts on a cloak after
perfuming his body with scent?"
The Prophet
waited for a while, and then the
Divine Inspiration descended upon
him. 'Umar
pointed out to Ya'la, telling him to
come. Ya'la came and pushed his
head
(underneath the screen which was covering the
Prophet ) and behold! The
Prophet's face was red and he
kept on breathing heavily for a
while and then he
was relieved. Thereupon he said,
"Where is the questioner who
asked me
about 'Umra a while ago?" The
man was sought and then was
brought before
the Prophet who said (to him), "As
regards the scent which you
perfumed
your body with, you must wash it
off thrice, and as for your cloak,
you must
take it off; and then perform in
your 'Umra all those things which
you perform
in Hajj."
(Bukhari: Volume 6, Book
61, Number 508).

3. He would suddenly fall down or lie down; he wanted to be covered by a blanket:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
that he heard the Prophet saying,
"The Divine
Inspiration was delayed for a
short period but suddenly, as I
was walking. I
heard a voice in the sky, and when
I looked up towards the sky, to my
surprise,
I saw the angel who had come to
me in the Hira Cave,
and he was sitting on a chair in
between the sky and the earth. I
was so
frightened by him that I fell on the
ground and came to my family
and said
(to them), 'Cover me! (with a
blanket), cover me!' Then Allah
sent the
Revelation: "O, You wrapped up
(In a blanket)! (Arise and warn! (Bukhari: Volume 4, Book
54, Number 461).

4. He would fall down unconscious:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
When the Ka'ba was rebuilt, the
Prophet and 'Abbas
went to carry stones. 'Abbas said
to the Prophet "(Take off and) put
your
waist sheet over your neck so that
the stones may not hurt
you." (But as
soon as he took off his waist
sheet) he fell unconscious on the
ground with
both his eyes towards the sky.
When he came to his senses, he
said,
"My waist sheet! My waist sheet!"
Then he tied his waist sheet
(round his waist) (Bukhari: Volume 5, Book
58, Number 170).

5. He would snore like a camel:

Narrated Safwan bin Ya'la bin
Umaiya from his
father who said:
"A man came to the Prophet while
he was at Ji'rana.
The man was wearing a cloak
which had traces of Khaluq or
Sufra (a kind of
perfume). The man asked (the
Prophet), 'What do you order me
to perform in my
'Umra?' So, Allah inspired the
Prophet divinely and he was
screened by a place
of cloth. I wished to see the
Prophet being divinely inspired.
'Umar
said to me, 'Come! Will you be
pleased to look at the Prophet
while Allah is
inspiring him?' I replied in the
affirmative. 'Umar lifted one
corner of the
cloth and I looked at the Prophet
who was snoring. (The sub-
narrator thought
that he said: The snoring was like
that of a camel). When that state
was
over, the Prophet asked, "Where is
the questioner who asked about
'Umra?
Put off your cloak and wash away
the traces of Khaluq from your
body and clean
the Sufra (yellow color) and
perform in your Umra what you
perform in your Hajj
(i.e. the Tawaf round the Ka'ba
and the Sa'i between Safa and
Marwa). "
(Bukhari: Volume 3, Book
27, Number 17).

truthman2012:
Are revelations received by Muhammad from the true God based on the manners he received them? Which other prophet was like unto him? The true God did speak to His prophets and they hear Him, but for Muhammad, his god revealed things to him like pagan priests receive revelations from idols.

1. Muhammad experienced
ringing in his ears, like bell
and sweat was on his forehead:

Narrated 'Aisha: (the mother of
the faithful
believers)
Al-Harith bin Hisham asked Allah's
Apostle "O
Allah's Apostle! How is the Divine
Inspiration revealed to you?"
Allah's
Apostle replied, "Sometimes it is
(revealed) like the ringing of a
bell, this form of Inspiration is the
hardest of all and then this state
passes ' off after I have grasped
what is inspired. Sometimes the
Angel comes
in the form of a man and talks to
me and I grasp whatever he says."
'Aisha
added: Verily I saw the Prophet
being inspired Divinely on a very
cold day and
noticed the Sweat dropping from
his forehead (as the Inspiration
wasover).
(Bukhari: Vol. 1, Book 1, No. 2).

2. His face was red and he and would breath heavily:

Narrated Safwan bin Ya'la bin
Umaiya:
Ya'la used to say, "I wish I could
see
Allah's Apostle at the time he is
being inspired Divinely." When the
Prophet was at Al-Ja'rana and was
shaded by a garment hanging
over him and some
of his companions were with him,
a man perfumed with scent came
and said,
"O Allah's Apostle! What is your
opinion regarding a man who
assumes Ihram
and puts on a cloak after
perfuming his body with scent?"
The Prophet
waited for a while, and then the
Divine Inspiration descended upon
him. 'Umar
pointed out to Ya'la, telling him to
come. Ya'la came and pushed his
head
(underneath the screen which was covering the
Prophet ) and behold! The
Prophet's face was red and he
kept on breathing heavily for a
while and then he
was relieved. Thereupon he said,
"Where is the questioner who
asked me
about 'Umra a while ago?" The
man was sought and then was
brought before
the Prophet who said (to him), "As
regards the scent which you
perfumed
your body with, you must wash it
off thrice, and as for your cloak,
you must
take it off; and then perform in
your 'Umra all those things which
you perform
in Hajj."
(Bukhari: Volume 6, Book
61, Number 508).

3. He would suddenly fall
down or lie down; he wanted to be
covered by a blanket:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
that he heard the Prophet saying,
"The Divine
Inspiration was delayed for a
short period but suddenly, as I
was walking. I
heard a voice in the sky, and when
I looked up towards the sky, to my
surprise,
I saw the angel who had come to
me in the Hira Cave,
and he was sitting on a chair in
between the sky and the earth. I
was so
frightened by him that I fell on the
ground and came to my family
and said
(to them), 'Cover me! (with a
blanket), cover me!' Then Allah
sent the
Revelation: "O, You wrapped up
(In a blanket)! (Arise and warn! (Bukhari: Volume 4, Book
54, Number 461).

4. He would fall down
unconscious:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
When the Ka'ba was rebuilt, the
Prophet and 'Abbas
went to carry stones. 'Abbas said
to the Prophet "(Take off and) put
your
waist sheet over your neck so that
the stones may not hurt
you." (But as
soon as he took off his waist
sheet) he fell unconscious on the
ground with
both his eyes towards the sky.
When he came to his senses, he
said,
"My waist sheet! My waist sheet!"
Then he tied his waist sheet
(round his waist) (Bukhari: Volume 5, Book
58, Number 170).

5. He would snore like a
camel:

Narrated Safwan bin Ya'la bin
Umaiya from his
father who said:
"A man came to the Prophet while
he was at Ji'rana.
The man was wearing a cloak
which had traces of Khaluq or
Sufra (a kind of
perfume). The man asked (the
Prophet), 'What do you order me
to perform in my
'Umra?' So, Allah inspired the
Prophet divinely and he was
screened by a place
of cloth. I wished to see the
Prophet being divinely inspired.
'Umar
said to me, 'Come! Will you be
pleased to look at the Prophet
while Allah is
inspiring him?' I replied in the
affirmative. 'Umar lifted one
corner of the
cloth and I looked at the Prophet
who was snoring. (The sub-
narrator thought
that he said: The snoring was like
that of a camel). When that state
was
over, the Prophet asked, "Where is
the questioner who asked about
'Umra?
Put off your cloak and wash away
the traces of Khaluq from your
body and clean
the Sufra (yellow color) and
perform in your Umra what you
perform in your Hajj
(i.e. the Tawaf round the Ka'ba
and the Sa'i between Safa and
Marwa). "
(Bukhari: Volume 3, Book
27, Number 17).

@Rilwayne and others, what is your comment(s) to these demonic revelations you call quran?

true2god:
No matter how the truth is recycled, it remains the truth. Keep it bro, we wont get tired of exposing the fraud in mohamMAD, and the falsehood in the quran with its numerous abrogations, and its anti-christians and anti-Jews rhetorics (quran 5:51, 9:29-30).

Okay bro.

Are revelations received by Muhammad from the true God based on the manners he received them? Which other prophet was like unto him? The true God did speak to His prophets and they hear Him, but for Muhammad, his god revealed things to him like pagan priests receive revelations from idols.

1. Muhammad experienced
ringing in his ears, like bell
and sweat was on his forehead:

Narrated 'Aisha: (the mother of
the faithful
believers)
Al-Harith bin Hisham asked Allah's
Apostle "O
Allah's Apostle! How is the Divine
Inspiration revealed to you?"
Allah's
Apostle replied, "Sometimes it is
(revealed) like the ringing of a
bell, this form of Inspiration is the
hardest of all and then this state
passes ' off after I have grasped
what is inspired. Sometimes the
Angel comes
in the form of a man and talks to
me and I grasp whatever he says."
'Aisha
added: Verily I saw the Prophet
being inspired Divinely on a very
cold day and
noticed the Sweat dropping from
his forehead (as the Inspiration
wasover).
(Bukhari: Vol. 1, Book 1, No. 2).

2. His face was red and he and would breath heavily:

Narrated Safwan bin Ya'la bin
Umaiya:
Ya'la used to say, "I wish I could
see
Allah's Apostle at the time he is
being inspired Divinely." When the
Prophet was at Al-Ja'rana and was
shaded by a garment hanging
over him and some
of his companions were with him,
a man perfumed with scent came
and said,
"O Allah's Apostle! What is your
opinion regarding a man who
assumes Ihram
and puts on a cloak after
perfuming his body with scent?"
The Prophet
waited for a while, and then the
Divine Inspiration descended upon
him. 'Umar
pointed out to Ya'la, telling him to
come. Ya'la came and pushed his
head
(underneath the screen which was covering the
Prophet ) and behold! The
Prophet's face was red and he
kept on breathing heavily for a
while and then he
was relieved. Thereupon he said,
"Where is the questioner who
asked me
about 'Umra a while ago?" The
man was sought and then was
brought before
the Prophet who said (to him), "As
regards the scent which you
perfumed
your body with, you must wash it
off thrice, and as for your cloak,
you must
take it off; and then perform in
your 'Umra all those things which
you perform
in Hajj."
(Bukhari: Volume 6, Book
61, Number 508).

3. He would suddenly fall
down or lie down; he wanted to be
covered by a blanket:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
that he heard the Prophet saying,
"The Divine
Inspiration was delayed for a
short period but suddenly, as I
was walking. I
heard a voice in the sky, and when
I looked up towards the sky, to my
surprise,
I saw the angel who had come to
me in the Hira Cave,
and he was sitting on a chair in
between the sky and the earth. I
was so
frightened by him that I fell on the
ground and came to my family
and said
(to them), 'Cover me! (with a
blanket), cover me!' Then Allah
sent the
Revelation: "O, You wrapped up
(In a blanket)! (Arise and warn! (Bukhari: Volume 4, Book
54, Number 461).

4. He would fall down
unconscious:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
When the Ka'ba was rebuilt, the
Prophet and 'Abbas
went to carry stones. 'Abbas said
to the Prophet "(Take off and) put
your
waist sheet over your neck so that
the stones may not hurt
you." (But as
soon as he took off his waist
sheet) he fell unconscious on the
ground with
both his eyes towards the sky.
When he came to his senses, he
said,
"My waist sheet! My waist sheet!"
Then he tied his waist sheet
(round his waist) (Bukhari: Volume 5, Book
58, Number 170).

5. He would snore like a
camel:

Narrated Safwan bin Ya'la bin
Umaiya from his
father who said:
"A man came to the Prophet while
he was at Ji'rana.
The man was wearing a cloak
which had traces of Khaluq or
Sufra (a kind of
perfume). The man asked (the
Prophet), 'What do you order me
to perform in my
'Umra?' So, Allah inspired the
Prophet divinely and he was
screened by a place
of cloth. I wished to see the
Prophet being divinely inspired.
'Umar
said to me, 'Come! Will you be
pleased to look at the Prophet
while Allah is
inspiring him?' I replied in the
affirmative. 'Umar lifted one
corner of the
cloth and I looked at the Prophet
who was snoring. (The sub-
narrator thought
that he said: The snoring was like
that of a camel). When that state
was
over, the Prophet asked, "Where is
the questioner who asked about
'Umra?
Put off your cloak and wash away
the traces of Khaluq from your
body and clean
the Sufra (yellow color) and
perform in your Umra what you
perform in your Hajj
(i.e. the Tawaf round the Ka'ba
and the Sa'i between Safa and
Marwa). "
(Bukhari: Volume 3, Book
27, Number 17).

udatso:
Wallahi I am getting tired of this. Brothers, I would be sending you mails so we can define a strategy to respond to these recycled topics.
Rilwayne001 tartar9 empiree albaqir Abuamam 9jaforlife vedaxcool and others

If you call it recycling, we will keep it up till the truth sinks into your system.

Rilwayne001:
If you and ifeann had to run away from defending the reason why your god was nailed to the cross, if you can't tell us the sin jesus died for, then you guys must be a shameless r.tard for having the audacity to even make posts on this section, not only that, you truthman simultenously open about 3 anti islam thread to cover your shame after you have been dealt with on my thread, your wife ifeann did same thing but making more fool of herself. I dont expect anything less from you 2 olodos.

Meanwhile, the OP has been debunk a long tym ago, you just enjoy regutating your stupiidityy...SMh.

For me to take you guys serious any longer on this board, you have to tell me the reason why I have to accept that jesus died for me.

Now Mr. Truthman and wife ifeann should please come back and lets continue our discussion. https://www.nairaland.com/2235053/did-jesus-died-sin-which/5

I have already educated muslims on that thread, it is left to you to accept or reject the truth.

Abuamam:
Lol. The xtian that can make me not answer any question on my faith is not born.

No offence, but I found those questions silly and repetitive. I have no patience for minds that need continuous repetition to grasp a point.

Oh! A clever way of escaping a difficult situation.

What have you said to refute that the quran was written by men (Muhammad's scribes) and not allah as muslims have been misled to believe.

What have you said to refute that Allah lied to have claimed he wrote Torah for Moses, that Moses heard from God and he wrote it down with his own hands.

What have you said to refute that allah lied to have claimed he wrote Injeel for Jesus. That is why nobody could find it anywhere. That the truth is that the disciples of Jesus as true witnesses wrote the words and deed of Jesus called the Gospel, and that is what is available till date.

What had been your answer to what existed in Muhammad's time, Torah and Injeel as separate books or the Bible?

Keep lying, deceiving your own self.

tartar9:
the pooaul whomsoever it was,that accursed thing who opened his rotten an*s to write or to rewrite those wretched Blashphemous pagan filth they call letters or epistles filled with all manner of stupidity.

Why are you muslim guys so bitter with Apostle Paul? Was he the one who made allah to be inconsistent, reversing any words he had once spoken? Which kind of god is allah that is double- faced? Paul had done what he did before Muhammad was born, i.e before islam but unfortunately for his haters (muslims), allah didn't have the gut to talk ill of him. Didn't allah know or hear of Paul? Show me what he said about him.

Muslims seem to know Paul better than their god, allah.

truthman2012:
Was it not the same Torah and Injeel allah said they corrupted and still recommended it?

Was it God who wrote the Torah for Moses with His own hand or He spoke to Moses and he (Moses) wrote it down with his own hand?

Muhammad was said to receive quranic revelations, which was written by his scribes, most of them written after his death. Was therefore the quran not written by men's hand? Allah did not write the quran with his own hand. I have islamic records of how it was written with many verses lost as a result of memorizers who died in war.

Was it God who wrote the Gospel for Jesus with His own hand or Jesus spoke and was written down by the disciples?
It is your quran that says the disciples who wrote the Gospel bore true witness, why do you or allah condemn their true witness?

But when Jesus
became conscious of their
disbelief, he cried: Who will be my
helpers in the cause of Allah? The
disciples said: We will be Allah's
helpers. We believe in Allah, and
bear thou witness that we have
surrendered (unto Him)

Our Lord! We
believe in that which Thou hast
revealed and we follow him whom
Thou hast sent. Enrol us among
those who witness (to the truth
(Quran2:52-53).

After he had said the above verses, it is a surprise for him to still say the scripture is corrupt. How reliable are allah's words?

What is the difference between Moses hearing from God and writing it down with his hand, Jesus speaking and disciples writing it down with their hands and Muhammad receiving messages and scribes writing them with their hands.

Tell me, which existed in the time of Muhammad, the Torah and Injeel as separate Books or the Bible? Was it inside the Injeel, Christians called Jesus the Son of God, which allah objected to at Muhammad's time or the Bible?

If it was the Bible, then it means allah recognizes it as the book of the Christians. If it was the Injeel, it means it is the same as the Bible, in which Jesus is called the Son of God.

Don't tell story, just address the issues raised here point by point.

@ babylolaroy

Abuamam ran away from the above, can you attempt it quoting them point by point?

babylolaroy:
coming from christians, this is strange. i know bible didnt teach anybody to insult others this way. address the religion, not Muhammad s.a.w and nobody tqlks about jesus a.s. this way. couldnt you be a little more civil?

Was Muhammad civil with hundreds of people he beheaded?

Are boko haram civil with their victims?

Are ISIL civil with 21 Egytian Christians they beheaded?

Must you be civil with satan and his agents?

Ifeann:
Mohammed had sex with a child, took slaves, encouraged rape, committed genocide, killed whole families, banned adoptions, slept with his own son's wife..etc

Mohammed was far worse.

''....Muhammad was far worse''. Me took have the same opinion o!

He not only did those attrocious acts, he enjoined the followers to do same.

Go to the North, you will see more of such disgusting things: killings, child marriage, exchange of wives, temporary marriage etc. Islam is terrible. When did God become that unholy? I tell you, allah is a strange god.

kay1one:
Both had a lot in common. They were both:
Fascists, anti-semites, war mongers, occultists, and had short life spans cut off by unnatural causes.
But mohammed had some extras: pedophilia, nyphomania, psychosis, a likely drug addiction and a lot of delusions!
Both will not be remembered for anything good! Eventually!

True talk.

Maamin:
Interesting @ Op ...following with my reading glasses

Okay na?