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Ifeann:
They won't dare touch this topic.

When they have no defence they say they ignore it.

Follow this link and probe it:

https://www.nairaland.com/2260353/muslims-why-did-fail-probe

Muslims are expected to probe into why Allah did not maintain his words in the quran. For so many verses of the quran there are the reverses, making the book very unreliable. Why would God not keep to his words? Why did he reverse his statement in order too suit particular situations? How would he say both man and jinns are incapable of producing a book like the quran with its inconsistencies? Why did he say there is no discrepancy in the book? All these questions should put muslims in the notice the need for proper probing of Allah’s book – quran

The reverses of the words of allah are in red:

There is no compulsion in Allah’s Religion

[Quran 2:256] Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trust-worthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

[Quran 8:39] And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.” (Quran 8:39)

(Sahih Muslim 1:33) The Messenger of Allah said: "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay zakat."

(Bukhari 2:24)."Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah

The words of Allah is not subject to change

[Quran 6:115] Perfected is the Word of thy Lord in truth and justice. There is naught (nothing) that can change His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.

[Quran 2:106] Nothing of our revelation (even a single verse) do we abrogate or cause be forgotten, but we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof. Knowest thou not that Allah is Able to do all things? Here allah changes his words by replacement after saying his words cannot change.

Abraham and Ishmael were in Mecca and built Kaaba

[Quran 2:127] And when Abraham and Ishmael were raising the foundations of the House, (Abraham prayed): Our Lord! Accept from us (this duty). Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Hearer, the Knower.

[Quran 34:44 YusufAli] But We had not given them Books which they could study, nor sent messengers to them before thee as Warners. "Nor sent messengers to them before Muhammad as Warners" after he had said Abraham and Ishmael were there as messengers and built Kaaba.

Christianity, Sabaeanism and Islam are all acceptable to Allah

[Quran 2:62] Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

[Quran 3:85] If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).

[Quran 9:17] It is not for such as join gods with Allah, to visit or maintain the mosques of Allah while they witness against their own souls to infidelity. The works of such bear no fruit: In Fire shall they dwell.

All of Allah’s Messengers are equal

[Q uran 2:285] The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His messengers. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His messengers." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."

[Quran 2:253] We have made some of these messengers to excel the others among them are they to whom Allah spoke, and some of them He exalted by (many degrees of) rank; and We gave clear miracles to Isa son of Marium, and strengthened him with the holy spirit. And if Allah had pleased, those after them would not have fought one with another after clear arguments had come to them, but they disagreed; so there were some of them who believed and others who denied; and if Allah had pleased they would not have fought one with another, but Allah brings about what He intends.

How to treat infidels

[Quran 9:29]Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel them-selves subdued.

[Quran 45:14] Tell those who believe,to forgive[/b]those who do not look forward to the Days of Allah: It is for Him to re-compense (for good or ill) each People according to what they have earned.

[b]Do the Jews love or hate each other?

[Quran 5:51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends;they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

[Quran 5:64] And the Jews say: The hand of Allah is tied up! Their hands shall be shackled and they shall be cursed for what they say. Nay, both His hands are spread out, He expends as He pleases; and what has been revealed to you from your Lord will certainly make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief;and We have put enmity and hatred among them till the day of resurrection[/b]whenever they kindle a fire for war Allah puts it out, and they strive to make mischief in the land; and Allah does not love the mischief-makers.

[b]Muslims cannot marry non-muslim women

[Quran 2:221]Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters),until they believe: A slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allures you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe: A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the Fire. But Allah beckons by His Grace to the Garden (of bliss) and forgiveness, and makes His Signs clear to mankind: That they may celebrate His praise.

[Quran 5:5] This day (all) the good things are allowed to you; and the food of those who have been given the Book is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them; and the chaste from among the believing women[b]and the chaste from among those who have been given the Book be-fore you (are lawful for you);[/b]when you have given them their dowries, taking (them) in marriage, not fornicating nor taking them for paramours in secret; and whoever denies faith, his work indeed is of no account, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.

Quran was sent to the Arabs

[Quran 41:44] Had We sent this as a Qur'an (in the language) other than Arabic, they would have said: "Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in Arabic and (a Messenger an Arab?" Say: "It is a Guide and a Healing to those who believe; and for those who believe not, there is a deafness in their ears, and it is blindness in their (eyes): They are (as it were) being called from a place far distant!"

[Qurani 4:174] O mankind! verily there hath come to you a convincing proof from your Lord: For We have sent unto you a light (that is) manifest

Muslims probe and let's have your findings.

EzioAuditore:
Also, you must not forget that Muhammad was the person who arranged the marriage in the first place, no one was forced to divorce anyone, he had already divorced her before Muhammad married her and it was after the marriage that those verses were sent down. You can accept the true explanation, or you can keep deceiving yourself,

Keep telling your lies to the spiritually gullible. To every right thinking person, that verse is clear enough that divorcement was arranged after allah had enjoined Muhammad to marry Zynab, the wife of his son. To further tell you that it was after allah's statement that divorcement was arranged, Muhammad, being hollier than his god, was initially reluctant to marry her but the unholy allah persisted. Read the verse with understanding.

EzioAuditore:
Jesus orders Christians to follow the Law of Moses in the Old Testament: "Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)" It is quite clear from these verses from the New Testament that Jesus peace be upon him did honor the Old Testament and did say that every single "letter" of it has to be honored, followed and fulfilled.

Where did you get monogamy from? Why do you eat pork?

Jesus also prayed to God, why do you pray to him and not God?




If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 12:29 Jesus said "Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." The words "our God" indicate that Jesus had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him. Jesus didn't say "Your God". He said "our God" which includes Jesus as the creation of GOD.

If Jesus was GOD, then why did he ask for GOD's Forgiveness in Luke 23:34? Please visit How can Jesus be GOD Almighty when he asked for GOD's Forgiveness?

If Jesus was GOD, then why Mark 15:34 says "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

If Jesus was GOD, then did Paul say in 1 Corinthians 8:6 "yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live."

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 20:17 Jesus said "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' "

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 8:28 Jesus said "I do nothing of myself"? Can't GOD do anything he wills?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Luke 23:46 Jesus said "Father (GOD), into thy hands I commend my spirit"?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 10:18 Jesus said “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.”?

Also in Luke 18:19 Jesus said only GOD Almighty is Good: ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone."

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus begged his GOD to have mercy on him and to pass the cup to death (kill Jesus in another words) before Jesus goes through the pain of crucifixion? Also see: Jesus' crucifixion in Islam

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 18:38 he didn't reply when he was asked about the truth?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 24:36 Jesus said "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." Jesus told his followers that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come, only GOD knows?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Isaiah 11:2-3 GOD had put the spirit of fearing GOD in Jesus? Also see GOD's Spirit in the many others beside Jesus.

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:31 Jesus told his followers that if he (Jesus) bears witness of himself, then his record is not true?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:30 Jesus told his followers that he can't do a single thing of his own initiative?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:36-38 Jesus said that GOD had assigned him (Jesus) work and GOD is a witness on Jesus?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:32 Jesus told his followers that they have never seen GOD at anytime nor ever heard his voice?

If Jesus was GOD, then why did he pray to his GOD in Luke 5:16?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus fell on his face and prayed to his GOD?

If Jesus was GOD, then how come in Hebrew 5:7 he prayed and cried for GOD to hear him and give him mercy by saving him from death?

If Jesus was GOD, then how come in John 1:18 he said "No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the FATHER'S side, has made HIM known." Where do you see Trinity in this Verse?

If Jesus was GOD, then how come in John 5:37 he said "And the FATHER who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard HIS voice nor seen HIS form," Jesus and the GOD are different. People heard Jesus, but never heard GOD.

…21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

What does that tell you?


Muslims believe that Prophet Jesus peace be upon him is a messenger from God. He was sent from God Almighty to deliver God's words to his people. Jesus was never God, nor ever claimed to be God. Jesus was a humble wonderful human being just like the rest of the Prophets and Messengers of God.

I asked a simple question: Which laws of Jesus do you abide with and where did you get them, but see the lengthy essay you have written, full of irrelevancies.

Now, you are quoting and saying you are obeying the laws from the bible. Is the bible the same as the quran? Is the laws in the bible the same as sharia law?

EzioAuditore:
The man you refer to as his stepson Zayd, was a slave who Muhammad raised as his own, they had no blood ties, Muhammad arranged his marriage with Zaynab who was a very influential woman in order to raise the status of slaves but after a while it became clear that she felt superior to him and was never really in love with him so after the marriage dissolved, Muhammad married her because it is allowed in Islam because Zayd is not his stepson but his adopted son and adopted sons do not even have a share in their fathers inheritance and he did it also to prove that such marriages were allowed because the Arabs had different views about adopted sons. Zayd has no blood ties to Muhammad! And Muhammad did not steal anybody's wife.

You have no evidence to back up your assertions here. So I consider it to another taqqiya (lie to defend islam).

The truth is, allah, not being the holy God or Muhammad planned it saying:

And when you said
to him to whom Allah had shown
favor and to whom you had shown
a favor: Keep your wife to yourself
and be careful of (your duty to)
Allah; and you concealed in your
soul what Allah would bring to
light, and you feared men, and
Allah had a greater right that you
should fear Him. But when Zaid
had accomplished his want of her,
We gave her to you as a wife, so
that there should be no difficulty
for the believers in respect of the
wives of their adopted sons, when
they have accomplished their want
of them; and Allah's command
shall be performed (Quran 33:37).

The true and holy God would not enjoin his prophet to marry a married woman. From the tone of the verse, Zayeed was yet to divorce Zaynab when allah spoke. Therefore he was forced to divorce her against his wish for Muhammad to marry. Muhammad is an example of anything adulterous.

Rilwayne001:
eyeopener = truthman2012. you can lie that you are not the one and I'll expose your lie right here.

As I have said earlier, my refutation to the OP is not for you and malvis or any other stiffnecked reprobate on this board, it is for those who are reasonable and truth seeker.

How is your daughter?

No truth seeker will believe your lies.

My friend, why do you muslims love deceiving yourselves, eh? None of you could refute my thread 'Islam Among Arabs' that was transferred to islam section. A woman nearly killed herself for seeing the deception of islam. Go there and say something. If you can't defend it, I wonder why you and others should remain muslims, facing Kaaba, the house of Arabian idols. See the link:

https://www.nairaland.com/2253144/islam-among-arabs

Rilwayne001:
Mr. malvis, I'm still expecting the thread you promised to open for our discussion on the creation of Adam.


I owe you no explanation concerning the above for you are a stiffnecked being, I believe any reasonable muslim/xtian reading the refutation to the OP on page (1) will see that this thread has been desteroyed.

You and truthman can continue to wallow in your ignorance and deceit.

GOD is greater than you all.

You have made no valid points so far. Your lies have been exposed by eyeopener up there. What's more?

true2god:
See what your prophet said in quran 9:30,

The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are
they deluded?

Your prophet even aknowledge Jesus as the messiah here, thats ok but thats not where I'm going. The concept of the trinity entails that Jesus is the son of God. If you look at the first statement, mohammed said the the Jews said, 'Ezra is the son of allahh'. Thats a big lie. There have never been a time in history that the Jews hold this view, even now.

So if mohammed can get it so wrong here, how do you think his 'revelations' are credible? If however you insist your prophet is right here, can you show me any Jewsish religios document which shows that the Jews hold the view that 'Ezra is the son of allahh'?

The quran is full of lies because the giver is a liar. Look at this again:

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Quran 4:157-158: And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree
concerning it are in doubt
thereof; they have no
knowledge thereof save
pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. But
Allah took him up unto
Himself. Allah was ever
Mighty, Wise

The Jews never accepted Jesus as Messiah contrary to allahh's lie.

truthman2012:
Which Laws of Jesus do abide with and where did you find them?

@ EzioAuditore

Muslims find it easy to lie. Answer the question now.

EzioAuditore:
Then how are you sure that that which Jesus tells you which agrees with the the Torah and Moses is his knowledge?

Every Muslim is a better christian than a "christian" because unlike you, we actually abide by the laws of Jesus and uphold his wishes, if you want proof, just ask for it.

Which Laws of Jesus do abide with and where did you find them?

EzioAuditore:
This Prophets knowledge was given to him by Allah. The Quran discusses certain topics but not all, so when his companions ask him certain questions, with the knowledge God has given him he answers such questions, the return of Isa (Jesus), the appearance of The false messiah and also that of the beast are all signs of the end of the world and if it agrees with other religions it's because it's true, we Muslims don't totally discredit the bible, we only agree with the parts of it that agree with what the prophet taught. So such questions directed at the prophet are in the Hadith. You claim of Islamic knowledge is baseless, but I can prove to you that I am a better christian than you.

Every subject you mentioned here were already written in the Christians' scriptures before Muhammad came, so you cannot be so sure it was knowledge given to him by allah.

Did I hear you say you are a better Christian? Are you a Christian? Which one you dey na?

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EzioAuditore:
You say it as if what Muhammad says and what Allah teaches are different? Muhammad taught men the Quran, he speaks only that which Allah wants him to, just because its not in the Quran doesn't mean he learnt it from the christians. Why didn't he just tell people its part of the Quran? Why will the Quran just say Jesus never died and deny further explanations? Where is he? To believe in Allah is not to believe in his book alone, but also his prophet. Not every law is in the Quran but have you heard of Hadith? Your arguments are a tad bit amateurish.

I know islam more than you do. You are taught only the positiive of it, I studied both the positive and the negative.

Muslims claims quran is only the words of allah and hadiths the sayings and deed of Muhammad. It is only in the words of Muhammad (hadith) you find that Jesus is coming back, allah did not say so. Since it is not revealed by allah, where did Muhammad get the idea from if not from the Christians?

EzioAuditore:
I am certain you won't come back, I'm not in a state of confusion but rather a state of pity for your cluelessness.

Come back to tell you contradictions in allah's word? There so many but it will derail this thread. But meanwhile check this and give your respose there. It is just one of them:

https://www.nairaland.com/2253144/islam-among-arabs

EzioAuditore:
Your whole religion is a joke, so much so that even the Europeans that played the trick on you are starting to abandon it. For you to claim that your lord exited the womb of a woman is a silly joke. So your lord was once a helpless baby?

Spiritual reality is foolishness to the carnal minds.

EzioAuditore:
The Quran did not give a definite date for his death but rather blesses him on whatever day it is he dies, for john, it has already come to pass but for Jesus it's whenever it happens, the same statement was made about Muhammad ( SAW) even before he died, what's your point?

John died, Muhammad died, when did allah say Jesus is going to die?

Jesus is in heaven now, do people still die there?

Please note that allah didn't say that Jesus is coming back in the quran, except Muhammad learning that from the Christians.

Rilwayne001:
Recycling threads when actually they can't tell us why their lord was nailed to the cross.

Bunch of neanderthals.

My friend, welcome. Good to be here.

There is need to recycle and we will keep recycling as nothing is new under the earth. Besides, the fact that you are still obstinate shows the need for recycling.

Now, what is your explanation to the OP?

EzioAuditore:
What is inconsistent? Explain! all I see is rubbish up there! There are no contradictions in Islam, if you don't understand something you ask and it shall be explained, you don't just interprete something the way it suits you. Which verse do you not understand?

There are sooo many CONTRADICTIONS in the quran. In fact, the quran is total contradictions. Allah reverses everything he once said but this not the thread to discuss that.

EzioAuditore:
What sort of stupid question is this? If a man comes out today and attributes something to your brother other than the truth will you not call the bitch out? Do you know better than your brother?

You seem to always speak off point.

Paul had done what he did or said what he said before Muhammad's revelations, which you call the quran. Now tell me what allah said about Paul, who wrote about 75% of the New Testament.

I believe allah must know Paul and his roles in Christianity, yet kept quiet on him. Why didn't he condemn him?

All of you just keep reciting what has been wrongly planted in your heads.

EzioAuditore:
Deception? Read the story of Paul, the major compiler of the bible, a man who has never seen jesus but claims to have seen a white light, a man who persecuted the followers of Jesus, and yet you follow his teachings and self made fallacy. What needs defense and I promise I will not keep shut, I will defend it to your understanding, there is no contradiction in Islam, only to those who choose to see with a blind eye.

Is this a defence of the OP? Smh!

Allah didn't accuse Paul of any error as muslims are doing. Didn't he know him? Do you know better than your god?

EzioAuditore:
The only sense I could deduce from this is the issue of charity because every other thing here is rubbish! Maybe a more direct approach next time eh? What's your point? As to the matter of zakat and charity, do you know what zakat and charity are in islam? Clearly you don't because if you did you wouldn't ask such a stupid question. Zakat is a tax like percentage of a property that must have stayed for a period of one year to the less privileged, charity is anything you give to the less fortunate out of goodwill for the sake of Allah, there are no less privileged in Heaven dumbo! Nor can you keep goods or money for the period of one year. The problem with idiots like you is you translate the Quran however it suits you, the verse about him dying is a reference to whenever it his that he dies, not that he's died before.

What nonsense are you saying here. Can't you comprehend?

The issue at hand is not zakat, it is allah's inconsistency about the death of Jesus. Read with understanding and respond.

malvisguy212:
thank you, let us see how they will twist the op if they can even attempt it .

I have noticed that they keep silent when they have no defence. They call it 'ignoring'. I like it so because sincere muslims will discover islam is deception as nobody is capable of refuting the falsehood. As the Lord lives, the wall of islam shall be pulled down in the lives of innocent muslims.

malvisguy212:
you can start by pointing out the flaw in the op, if there are flaw in the op, then you must agreed there are flaws in the quran. note: there are flaws in the quran.

Welcome bro.

emusmith:
Can you summarize your NOTE in one sentence?

Allah is inconsistent and therefore NOT BELIEVABLE.

CHM11:
I couldn't even finish the write up because of so many flaws from the beginning.

Why not mention the flaws? I know your mind, you thought the thread is talking against Jesus from the heading. No.

Allah said Jesus didn't die and Muhammad claimed he (Jesus) will come back again. This is inconsistent with the statement allah himself credited to Jesus.

"And peace on me the day I was born, and the day I
die, and the day I am
raised to life." (Qura 19:33).

The very same phrase is used of John the Baptist (Yahya) just a
few verses earlier:

"So Peace is on him The
day he was born, The day
that he dies, And that day
he Will be raised To life" (Quran 19:15)

According to allah, John said he would die and he did actually die. But for Jesus to whom he said would die as he said to John, he later claim he didn't die as earlier said.

Didn't he know that something would happen to Jesus that would necessite taking him away alive?

Nobody could shift the death of John to the future, why shift that of Jesus for whom the same statement was made?

Even more troubling is this
passage taken from Quran 19:31:

"And He hath made me
Blessed wheresoever I be,
And hath enjoined on me
Prayer and Charity as long
AS I LIVE."

According to this reference Jesus
is commanded to pray and give alms ( zakat ) until he dies. But if Muslims are correct that he didn't die, he must therefore continue to give charity even now
while in heaven! Give charity to who?

Quran 3:55
"Behold! God said: `O
Jesus! I will take thee
(Arabic- INNI MUTAWAFFEEKA) And raise thee to Myself And clear thee (of the falsehoods) Of
those who blaspheme..."

Quran 5:117
"Never said did I to them
Aught except what Thou
Didst command me To say, to wit, `Worship God, my Lord and your Lord'; And I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt Amongst them; when thou Didst take me up (Arabic- TAWAFFAYTANI) Thou wast the Watcher Over them, and Thou art a witness to all things."

The phrase "I will take thee" and
"when Thou didst take me" are
forms of the Arabic word TAWAFFA.
The term is always used in
the Quran to imply one who is taken at DEATH.

Note the way other Quranic translators have
translated Quran 3:55:

Sher Ali

"... I will cause thee to
die a natural death and
raise thee to Myself ..."
"... but since Thou didst
cause me to die..."

Muhammad Asad

"... Verily, I shall cause
thee to die, and shalt
exult thee unto Me..."
"... but since Thou hast
caused me to die..."

M. Muhammad Ali

"... I will cause thee to
die and exalt thee in My
presence..."
"... but when Thou didst
cause me to die.