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The Op didn't talk of Christians killing unbelievers for not converting. It was an internal crisis. Those Christians who committed atrocities did not have such commands from Jesus. It is unlike the muslims who are expressly commanded as a standing order.

Sahih Muslim (1:33) The
Messenger of Allah said: "I have
been commanded to fight against
people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, that
Muhammad is the messenger of
Allah, and they establish prayer
and pay zakat." The first part of
this condition is the Shahada, or
profession of faith in Islam.
Violence is sanctioned until the
victims embrace Muhammad's
religion.

Qur'an (8:39) - “And fight them
until there is no more Fitnah
(disbelief and polytheism: i.e.
worshipping others besides Allah)
and the religion (worship) will all
be for Allah Alone [in the whole
of the world ]. But if they cease
(worshipping others besides
Allah), then certainly, Allah is
All-Seer of what they do.”

Qur'an (9:29) - " Fight those who
believe not in Allah nor the Last
Day, nor hold that forbidden
which hath been forbidden by
Allah and His Messenger, nor
acknowledge the religion of
Truth, (even if they are) of the
People of the Book, until they pay
the Jizya with willing submission,
and feel themselves subdued.

There are many more quranic verses commanding killing unbelievers. Now tell me where Jesus commanded anyone to be killed for not accepting him.

malvisguy212:
I tell you my brother, the different between Jesus and muhammed is like life and death. Muhammed takes life and Jesus gives life but this muslims honour muhammed more than anyone else, just yesterday a man lost his ring and was busy looking for it, a very rich muslim man,my friend ask him, why this ring was so special to him? And he say the ring was prepared for him on iran for protection ,will God who created you be happy for a man who seek help from Sorcerer? No miracle in Islam only magic.

Allah made provision for sorcery in the quran. Jinns are what we know as demons (evil spirits) in Christianity. But allah said there are muslim jinns and non-muslim jinns. He allows muslims to have dealings with the muslim jinns and they contact them for charms. Both muslim and non-muslim jinns are evil spirit (fallen angels). Because satan is the 'God' in islam, he introduced his demons to them as muslim jinns. The job of muslim alfas is charm making.

malvisguy212:
There inspiration comes from the quran." Muhammed did the same thing why can't I?"

One does not need indept knowledge to discover islam is not from God. The same allah enjoins temporary wife, another name for prostitution (Quran 4:24) The same allah according to Muhammad said man MUST commit adultery:

Abu Aahuraira reported Allah's
Apostle (may peace be upon
him) as saying: Verily Allah has
fixed the
very portion of adultery which a
man will indulge in and which he
of necessity must commit. The
adultery
of the eye is the lustful look and
the adultery of the tongue is the
licentious speech, the heart
desire
and yearns, which the parts may
or may not put into effect (Sahih
Muslim, Book 033, Number 6421
& 6422)

Who do you think could make such a statement, God or satan?

Ifeann:
This is sad. .breaks my heart..

Islam is terrible

Yeah! Islam is satanic.

The true God would not enjoin rape as allah did.

Barnabas' Aid has learned that women and
girls being held captive by ISIS at
Mosul's Badush Prison have been
given the choice to either convert
to Islam, or suffer rape on a daily
basis until they change their
minds.

Look at people fighting for 'Holy' allah. The raped women are the captives their right hands have possessed as recommended by 'Holy' Quran, I suppose (Quran 23:5-6, Quran 4:24).

Read more: http://www.crossmap.com/news/christian-women-raped-by-isis-12716

ZKOSOSO:
I wonder why all these talk about finding the truth about More-Harm-Made of a demon!!

John 10:10 says it all!
His Job is to:,
kill
destroy
steal
Who fits into these characteristics?
Jesus? Or Mohammad?
You be the judge!!
Hahaha!!

Allah and his faithfuls are actually killing and destroying currently in many parts of the world.

true2god:
Where do you want them to get the proove? No any God sent mohammed. I will provide hadith evidences that proves that mohammed came to the scene as a self-serving man to further his political and material interest.

From the quranic rule of abrogation and nullification (convience revelation to serve his personal interest at a particular time and condition) to the sharing of war booty (where mohammed alloted 20% to himself), these and many indices prooves that mohammed is a false prophet (I won't use harsh word to avoid offending the fragile sensibillities of muslims).

No wonder no muslim has any proof. But why would any reasonable person believes a man whose words were changing with the prevailing situations? Didn't his allah have a standard? No doubt allah is not the true God.

basilico:
Muhammad was sent by Allah.
Allah is not Yahweh.
Allah is not the Christian God

True, allah is not Yahweh. Then who is he?

Allah is good in writing but incapable of doing miracles. The truth is: the true God will not go so low as to be writing on virtually anything. Such is the work of demons.

No muslim has proved that it was God that sent Muhammad to bring islam after Jesus had said it is the Gospel that should be preached till the end of the world.

Of a truth, a real or good muslim must be wicked. Going by the life and deed of Muhammad, Boko Haram, ISIL and others are doing exactly like him. There are many islamic evidences that prove it so. Islam is not a blessing to the world.

udatso:
You have been advised to open a new thread for this. You bringing more of this would be derailing the thread. Thanks

If I open a thread on quranic contradictions, the mod will transfer it to muslim section where I will not have access to it again. Muslims have made their section for cult members only.

@ Takara

Receiving record in the left hand and behing the back is not the only contradiction in the quran. They are numerous.

The two contradictory verses are referring to the same event: one says 'in the left hand' and the other 'behind the back'. These are two different directions. It didn't say you will receive your record with your left hand stretched to your back. No.

Look at this again:

Qur'an (3:83) - "Are they seeking
a religion other than Allah's,
when every soul in the heavens
and the earth has submitted to
Him, willingly or by
COMPULSION?" This is against
earlier verse (2:256) stating that
there is "no COMPULSION in
religion".

Now, reconcile that.

Again, is it true every soul has submitted to allah on earth? Why are there other religions?

Is it also true that every soul has submitted to allah in heaven? Why are there people in hell?

I want to hear from you first before I call allah a liar.

sbaks:
point of correction @the bolded THEY ARE NOT OUR BROTHERS! WHAT DOES LIGHT GOT TO DO WITH DARKNESS. These wicked souls have unleashed almajiris o for evil. Hmmmmm. Whenever there's a riot you would wonder what sort of spirit possesses them. Little kids of 5,6,7, o even 4years old (like I saw recently). I visit the North often times, i Was Born there, raised, schooled there, still go There often times etc.as far as im concerned I AM A "FULL BLOODED NORTHERNER" So i know these guys. Their religion is a wicked one. I entered a bus (not In kano now but one of these northern states) and the conductor was busy playing apc songs to anger christians in the vehicle as it was obvious we the passengers were all christians. Wetin concern me? Just carry me to my destination abi? I just wished sha that he was slapped or AMBUSHED abi? That's how one driver was playing a tape insulting christianity. I was just boiling I'm the bus (like months ago sha) Chai! Christians suffer there o. GOD WILL SAVE US FROM THEIR HEINOUSNESS IN JESUS CHRIST NAME. AMEN. Islam is a religion of piss

So these people are turning apc and pdp to muslims and Christians thing.

Binb:
@truthman this thread is about contradiction in the bible, it appears you cannot address the contradictions in the bible and you are ashamed to admit that so the next thing is to derail the thread. If you want us to discuss the Glorious Qur'an create another thread. if you want answers to claims of contradictions in the Qur'an you may visit this link and read the detailed rebuttal by Islamic Scholars: http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/quranerr.htm

NB did you notice any insult or name calling in my post, why cant you be decent enough to make your point without insulting islam or its tenets

I have gone through the link and discovered:

- Most of the particular quranic contradictions I posted are not in the so-called rebutals.

- The people used two corresponding verses (i.e verses that are in agreement) to make explanations, neglecting the contradictory verses as if they are irrelevant. That is no rebutal at all.

For example, tell me what he said is the rebutal for:

''Where do disbelievers
receive their record book on
Judgment day?''

Behind their back

But he who is given his Record
behind his back
Qur'an 84:10

On the left hand

And he that will be given his
Record in his left hand, will say:
"Ah! Would that my Record had
not been given to me!
Qur'an 69:25

Takara:
@truthman, do not derail this thread, address the contradictions in the bible first then you can open another thread for us to discuss the Qur'an. I can assure u that those issues you raised wil be dealt with

This is not the first time the contradictions were posted even in muslims' section, no refutals.

There is noway you can deal with the contradictions in the quran without resorting to lying.

@ OP

If you want many more CONTRADICTIONS in allah's words, I will be happy to supply them. Is that the book allah lied it is preserved in heaven? laila illa lah!!! lie lie lie!!!

Allah is indeed the Greatest among the lying gods.

malvisguy212:
The contradiction the op quoted from the bible was "the word spoken by men" but the contradiction truthman2012 quoted is the word of Allah, the Muslim claimed was that the quran comes directly from heaven, will God make soo many error?

Op read here and see how Allah change his revelation https://www.nairaland.com/2121425/allahs-invalidate-own-revelation

Allah made so many mistakes that even an illiterate man could not make. Smh!

more:

6. Will Allah reward the good
deeds of non-Muslims?

No

It is not for such as join gods
with Allah, to visit or maintain
the mosques of Allah while they
witness against their own souls
to infidelity. The works of such
bear no fruit: In Fire shall they
dwell.
Qur'an 9:17

Yes

And whoso doeth good an
atom's weight will see it then
Qur'an 99:7

Yes,

For all pious theists

Lo! Those who believe (in that
which is revealed unto thee
Muhammad) and those who are
Jews and Christians and
Sabaens – whosoever believeth
in Allah and the Last Day and
doeth right – surely their
reward is with their Lord and
there shall no fear come upon
them neither shall they grieve.
Qur’an 2:62

Yes,

For all pious theists
Those who believe (in the
Qur'an), those who follow the
Jewish (scriptures), and the
Sabians and the Christians,- any
who believe in Allah and the
Last Day, and work
righteousness,- on them shall
be no fear, nor shall they
grieve.
Qur'an 5:69

7. To whom was the
revelation sent?

Arabs

Had We sent this as a Qur'an
(in the language) other than
Arabic, they would have said:
"Why are not its verses
explained in detail? What! (a
Book) not in Arabic and (a
Messenger an Arab?" Qur'an
41:44

All mankind

O mankind! Now hath a proof
from your Lord come unto you,
and We have sent down unto
you a clear light; Qur'an 4:174

Illiterate people

He it is Who hath sent among
the unlettered ones a
messenger of their own, to
recite unto them His revelations
and to make them grow, and to
teach them the Scripture and
Wisdom enough herefore they
were indeed in error manifest
Qur'an 62:2

more:

4. Where do disbelievers
receive their record book on
Judgment day?

Behind their back

But he who is given his Record
behind his back
Qur'an 84:10

On the left hand

And he that will be given his
Record in his left hand, will say:
"Ah! Would that my Record had
not been given to me!
Qur'an 69:25

5. Can you marry non-
Muslims?

No

Do not marry unbelieving
women (idolaters), until they
believe: A slave woman who
believes is better than an
unbelieving woman, even
though she allures you. Nor
marry (your girls) to
unbelievers until they believe: A
man slave who believes is
better than an unbeliever, even
though he allures you.
Unbelievers do (but) beckon
you to the Fire. But Allah
beckons by His Grace to the
Garden (of bliss) and
forgiveness, and makes His
Signs clear to mankind: That
they may celebrate His praise.
Qur'an 2:221

Yes

(even though Qur'an 9;29
calls Christians idolaters)
This day are (all) good things
made lawful for you. The food
of those who have received the
Scripture is lawful for you, and
your food is lawful for them.
And so are the virtuous women
of the believers and the
virtuous women of those who
received the Scripture before
you (lawful for you) when ye
give them their marriage
portions and live with them in
honour, not in fornication, nor
taking them as secret
concubines. Whoso denieth the
faith, his work is vain and he
will be among the losers in the
Hereafter.
Qur'an 5:5

The virtuous women of those
who received the Scripture
before were Jews and
Christians, which by Islamic
belief were unbelievers and
idolaters. Calling them “ women
of those who received the
Scripture before you” shows
they were yet to believe in
islam. Muslims were permitted
to marry them even though
they were yet to believe
contradicting the above warning
not to do so .

Binb:
what do you mean by they are sequential. I am not an atheist, I am a muslim

As a muslim who believe there is no contradiction in Allah's words, have you seen these?

1. Does evil come from Allah?

Yes

.... If some good befalls them,
they say "This is from Allah".
But if evil, they say "This is from
thee" (O prophet). Say: "All
things are from Allah....
Qur'an 4:78

Allah claimed responsibility for
all things, both good and evil
that befall man. “All things are
from Allah” mean EVERYTHING
and ANYTHING is from Him,
both good and evil.

No

Whatever good, (O man!)
happens to thee, is from Allah.
But whatever evil happens to
thee, is from thyself. But what
has come to these people. That
they fail to understand a single
fact
Qur'an 4:79

Allah denied being responsible
for evil and claimed
responsibility for good only. No
more all things or everything
and anything

2. How many trumpets will be
blown on Qiyamah?

Two

On the day when the first
Trumpet resoundeth
And the second followeth it,
Qur'an 79:6-7

One only
And when the trumpet shall
sound one blast, Qur'an 69:13

3. For whom is salvation?

For all pious theists

Those who believe (in the
Qur'an), those who follow the
Jewish (scriptures), and the
Sabians and the Christians, - any
who believe in Allah and the
Last Day, and work
righteousness,- on them shall
be no fear, nor shall they
grieve.
Qur'an 5:69

For all pious theists

Verily! Those who believe and
those who are Jews and
Christians, and Sabians ,
whoever believes in Allah and
the Last Day and do righteous
good deeds shall have their
reward with their Lord, on
them shall be no fear, nor shall
they grieve.
Qur'an 2:62

For Muslims only

If anyone desires a religion
other than Islam (submission to
Allah), never will it be accepted
of him; and in the Hereafter He
will be in the ranks of those
who have lost (All spiritual
good).
Qur'an 3:85

For Muslims only

Truly, the religion with Allah is
Islam. Those who were given
the Scripture (Jews and
Christians) did not differ except,
out of mutual jealousy, after
knowledge had come to them.
And whoever disbelieves in the
Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses,
signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah,
then surely, Allah is Swift in
calling to account..
Qur'an 3:19

basilico:
Truth man in Muhammad life There were two phases he went through.
The Mecca and medinian phase.
When he started his hallucinations in Mecca and insulted the 360 idols he only managed to live because of his uncle al Talib.
During his initial phase he spewed out some relative peaceful verses
When he ran away to Medina in 622 AD and became influential after convicing his gang of robbers that it was OK to rob Mecca Quraish caravans he amassed some wealth and was poised to overan mecca.

That's when he Allah declared that he us now revealing better verses than before.Abrogation is the correct word.
Basically whatever peaceful verses Allah had revealed to Muhammad when he had few followers were replaced by new violent verses that are the heart of Islam.

That shows allah was playing tricks. He revealed peaceful verses till Muhammad was strong enough to perpetrate attrocities.

MightySparrow:
Good contribution OP, except that their Gabriel is not the same as the Bible's.

Yes, you are right.

Muhammad's Gabriel is not the same as Gabriel that spoke to Mary and other people in the Bible. Jubril (Gabriel) squeezed Muhammad thrice to a point he almost gave up the ghost. The true God angel Gabriel didn't torture anybody.

sorextee:
Muslims are not supposed to have problems with Christians truly. I don't know why it's hard for a Muslim man to give out his daughter to a xtian man for marriage. They will tell him to convert first. I have a dream that one day, muslims and Christians will live in peace and harmony, bound by love and humanity..

Satan didn't design muslims to live in peace with the Christians, hence those quranic verses to kill the Christians.

johnydon22:
Common bro dont be like that... I am an atheist alright so you will understand i hold no religion above the other and i have many a time pointed out the contradictions in the bible for christians too which funny enough they do not agree just like you are doing now ...lol

[size=20] Those verses truthman quoted on the op is clearly very contradictory, you dont need any binoculars to see it. . . One says dont fight them the other says fight them.. thats pure contradiction and its undisputable ...Dont argue over it boss[/size]

You are unbiased this time, keep it up.

tartar9:
the other was referring to those who refuse to pay their little tax

What about these verses, are they also talking about tax?

Qur'an (8:39) - “And fight them
until there is no more Fitnah
(disbelief and polytheism: i.e.
worshipping others besides Allah)
and the religion (worship) will all
be for Allah Alone [in the whole
of the world ]. But if they cease
(worshipping others besides
Allah), then certainly, Allah is
All-Seer of what they do.”

Qur'an (3:83) - "Are they seeking
a religion other than Allah's,
when every soul in the heavens
and the earth has sub mitted to
Him, willingly or by
COMPULSION?" This is against the
earlier verse (2:256) stating that
there is "no compulsion in
religion".

Anas09:
I don't understand why Allah or Mohammed keep saying "us" when giving instructions. Who are the us? In the Bible, we believe the us is The Father, Son, and the holy Ghost. In Islam who r the us, since Allah is one? Or are they refering to Al-Alat, Malat and Uzza?

The 'US' is satanic trinity, made up of Satan, Gabriel and Muhammad.

malvisguy212:
God bless you, satan is very good in his trick,he know that the name of Jesus is above all name and he knows that God has exalted the name, so what the next plan satan have? Very simple,stop them from calling the name of Jesus,blackmail Jesus (which the quran did) lay false accusations against the name, sadly satan succeeded in all this accusations through the quran.

I tell you the truth, the Muslim are worshipping satan unknown to them.on many occasion in my dream,Jesus always appear to me as a lamb and saved me in there hand.

Allah of muslims is actually satan in disguise. There was an idol named allah and it was amoung the 360 deities in Kaaba. That was the god they worshiped in Muhammad's family. It was that idol (allah) satan used to establish islam because it bears a name meaning God in Arabic. Mutaleb, Muhammad's grandpa was a worshiper of allah and that was why he named Muhammad's father AbduAllah (Abdullai) i.e servant of allah. Muhammad was already worshiping allah as a pagan before islam.

malvisguy212:
Soo many lies in the quran and inconsistency,on one verse the quran condemned christians and Jews and the other verse he promise the same christians and Jews heaven, I wonder why Muslim haven't discovered the lies in it.

Good.

Some of them might have discovered the truth but are afraid to declare it. I know a muslim, who after conversion was still going to the mosque but was bowing down calling the name of Jesus silently till he was safe to declare his new faith openly. The Devil made it an offence to leave islam (apostasy).

[ Quran 29:46 ] And dispute ye
not with the People of the Book,
except with means better (than
mere disputation), unless it be
with those of them who inflict
wrong (and injury): but say,
"We believe in the revelation
which has come down to us and
in that which came down to
you; Our Allah and your Allah is
one; and it is to Him we bow (in
Islam)."

And again: Let there be no
compulsion in religion: Truth
stands out clear from Error:
whoever rejects evil and
believes in Allah hath grasped
the most trustworthy hand-
hold, that never breaks. And
Allah heareth and knoweth all
things (Quran 2:256).

If it is true their allah is one and there is no compulsion in religion, then why:

Fight those who
believe not in Allah nor the Last
Day, nor hold that forbidden
which hath been forbidden by
Allah and His Messenger, nor
acknowledge the religion of
Truth, (even if they are) of the
People of the Book, until they
pay the Jizya with willing
submission, and feel themselves
subdued (Quran 9:29).

Islam is therefore hypocritical and double-faced, an evidence that it is not from the true God.

Rilwayne001:
They should profer solution to that first before pointing fingers at us, the number of ignorant muslims that engages in all that you listed above do not constitute up to 8% of the world muslim population. this should help https://www.nairaland.com/1943131/good-manners-islam

https://www.nairaland.com/1864482/saudi-top-cleric-blasts-al-qaeda

Going by quranic injunctions, the 8% are the true muslims. How do you interpret the following:

Qur'an (8:39) - “And fight them
until there is no more Fitnah
(disbelief and polytheism: i.e.
worshipping others besides Allah)
and the religion (worship) will all
be for Allah Alone [in the whole
of the world ]. But if they cease
(worshipping others besides
Allah), then certainly, Allah is
All-Seer of what they do.”
Translation from the Noble
Quran

Qur'an (9:29) - " Fight those who
believe not in Allah nor the Last
Day, nor hold that forbidden
which hath been forbidden by
Allah and His Messenger, nor
acknowledge the religion of
Truth, (even if they are) of the
People of the Book, until they pay
the Jizya with willing submission,
and feel themselves subdued."

Qur'an (2:193) - "And fight them
until persecution is no more, and
religion be only for Allah. But if
they desist, then let there be no
hostility except against wrong-
doers." The key phrase is to
fight until "religion be only for
Allah."

Qur'an (3:83) - "Are they seeking
a religion other than Allah's,
when every soul in the heavens
and the earth has sub mitted to
Him, willingly or by
compulsion?" So much for the
earlier verse (2:256) stating that
there is "no compulsion in
religion".

focus7:
That is simple now, mohammad was sent by satan himself.

Yes, certainly.