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Abuamam:
Continue decieving yourselves, while Islam forges ahead.

"And Allah will establish His religion, no matter that the unbelievers hate it"

That is a promise.

Yahweh is stronger than allah.

tartar9:
untill you provide a verifiable poll of your's using same logic mine is correct,your unbelief doesnt change anything.

Smh!

tartar9:
ok,the same way 90 percent of nigerians are muslims :-/

No, not 90% is 120%.

tartar9:
anybody can say anything from which research poll did he get it from.6million converting from islam to christainity in northafrica alone is plain silly.an amount that is even more than their birthrate.

The man knew what he was saying, your unbelief doesn't change anything.

tartar9:
keep dreaming Islam is getting stronger by the day christainity is the one that is dead and dying in most parts of the world check the statistics.

Keep making yourself happy.

Do you know better than that islamic scholar you read in the link?

Abuamam:
Allah is the Mighty. The Greatest. Who neither begat nor was begotten (obviously).

Lie. Allah is another name for I-illah who has no son. God sent angel Gabriel to Mary that the child in her womb shall be the Son of God (Luke 1:35). Another counterfeit Gabriel (Jubril) that appeared to Muhammad 650 years later came to deceive mankind.

davien:
You can examine islam to soon go into extinction but can't examine your own religion

Did you go through the link?

With exodus of muslims to Christianity, how do you expect it to go into extinction?

davien:
Why the double standard?

Which double standard?

davien:
Can you say the same for christianity?

No.

With dirty and wicked acts of muslims all over the world, islam will soon be no more.

While jihadists get killed and are killing their fellow muslims in their attempt to eradicate Christianity, coupled with large conversion of muslims, the religion will soon finish itself. This is good news for lovers of God.

For further reading: www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina31103.htm

malvisguy212:
The lies has been exposed,no more coment from Muslim folks.

You are correct.

From their own Scripture and hadiths, we have proved to them that islam is FALSE. Let's pray their spiritual eyes will be opened.

true2god:
Do u knw the population of hindus, of bhudist? Both combined are more than Islam. So cut the crap, 1.5billion muslims are living in delusions and ignorance.

Present statistics shows that, among all major religions, muslims are the least educated and civilized and over 90% do not know the contents of the quran, hadiths or the sunnah of the prophet. If 80% of global muslims (mostly non arabs) come to know the real contents of the quran and the hadith, they will abandon Islam.

It is ignorance of the truth that keeps muslims in islam. That is why allah says they shouldn't ask questions. Those who discovered the falsehood of islam by asking questions left the religion (Quran 5:101-102).

muba4huss:
Where is the source?

Where is the source? 

Where is the source?

Can't you see the link, click it and you will see the source.

muba4huss:
from what u said, I can see that u lack a complete knowledge of what u saying that's why I won't respond to your text. But I will end my writing with these words "those Allah has guide, nobody can mislead them and those He has lead astray nobody can guide them". Surely Allah knows best

When will you stop deceiving yourself? Quran says no messenger was in Mecca before Muhammad, meaning Abraham and Ishmael were not in Mecca to build Kaaba. So simple.

malvisguy212:
there next lies will be 'the hadith was fabricated,but if the same hadith speak good about Islam, then it's authentic.

They are hypocrites.

malvisguy212:
The Canaanites Had mighty army,with stronges of chariot, The chariots of the Canaanites were very formidable to the Israelites, who had no means of coping with them. But the bible say"And the Lord was with Judah,...." meaning the isrealite had God on there side.Yet they suffered their fears to prevail against their faith.

Were are the canaanites? And the amalakites? No where to be found, but God protects the isrealite.

Don't mind him bro.

I just decided to ignore him.

SalC:
Is it just me or did any other person notice the glaring lies in the hadith above?

First the quote said Abraham brought ishmael and his mother to Mecca when Ishmael was still suckling, dropped them and left. Common sense can deduce that if muslims believed that Abraham and Ishmael actually built the Kabba, then that would be much later when Ishmael must have grown up, not when he was still suckling yet this hadith said Abraham made the child and his mother sit down under tree near Kabba, as he was going he also turned and faced the Kabba while praying. And stated clearly that he set them near "thy sacred house" (that means the kabba was already a sacred house of God when Abraham and Ishmael came) Yet that place was said to be empty with no one living there.

Now the question is,
If this was Abraham's first visit and there was already a kabba for him to face and pray, who built the Kabba?

If Abraham left and didn't look back in obedience to Allah, isn't it clear he didn't build any kabba with Ishmael since Ishael was still a child who couldn't even fend for himself?

Funny a kabba was already there when Abraham came yet no one lives there.

Idon't even want to talk about the fact that Ishmael wasn't a suckling child when he was sent away. Ishmael was born to Abraham when he was 86 years old while Isaac was born when he was 100 years of age and it was after then ishmael and hagar were sent out. But that would be comparing the Bible and koran.
Now even from the Koran and hadith alone, the story didn't ad up.

This hadith reeks of contradictions!

This was one of the reasons I caution against using the hadith in my earlier post.

You are not the only one who noticed the lies, I just concentrated on the other aspects.

timonski:
i think you have been brainwashed by your slavemasters...err...!

We are talking about science and God, you have no reasonable contribution and talk about another thing. Smh!

@ Abuamam

Your statement is short of intelligence. Nobody worships allah and retain his God-given intelligence. The first thing allah does is manipulate muslims brain as he did to Muhammad, tampering with his memory to make him forget revelations. No wonder they go killing, believing it will take them to heaven. Spiritual manipulations. If muslims' brain is in order, how would Allah be able to plant lies in them? Allah is an expert in manipulation and deception.

A right thinking person would know that Abraham deliberately not looking back on allah's order means he had done away with them. How would he come back against allah's instruction and build Kaaba? I pity you.

As for your muslim brothers, they have lacked ideas of what lies to tell more.

Abuamam

No one is claiming that they died there. They could have died anywhere. That disproves nothing. I can live and build a house in Nigeria, then go and die in China. Does that prove that I did not build a house in Nigeria?

As they didn't die in Mecca because their grave could not be traced, to where did they disappear, leaving Kaaba where they were supposed to be worshiping?

The Bible is not a reliable source, having no credible authorship or chain of narrators. Even if we want to accept its accuracy, it did not prove any thing to the contrary of what Islam says. If anything, it supports the Islamic narrative:

Genesis 21:19-22
"Then God opened her (Hagar's) eyes, and she saw a well of water (Zamzam?). So she went and filled a skin with water and gave the boy (Ismail) a drink. God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the desert and became an archer. While he was living in the desert of Paran, his mother got a wife for him from Egypt.

This shows you that Ismail grew up in Paran... no? So where is Paran? Let us see what the Bible has to say:

Deuteronomy 33:2
"He said; the Lord came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir. He shone forth from Mt Paran. He came with myriads of holy ones from the South. From his right hand went a fiery law for them.

The South of Sinai? The actual location of this mountain remains a confusion for Christians. Even though Paul made it clear for them:

Galatians 4:25
" 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children."

Mount Sinai is in Arabia (traditionally, Arabs have referred to Jabal al Laws as the Mt Sinai of the prophet Musa), Mt Paran is South of Mt Sinai. Hagar and Ismail grew up in Paran.

The Bible even goes on to say that the prophets Musa and Haarun took the Israelites through Paran (Numbers 13:13-26). The prophet Dawud did go to the wilderness of Paran. So that they could have performed the pilgrimage is not at all far-fetched... that an OT with a strong Jewish bias did not state it, does not preclude its having happened... and God knows best. Again, I point out that Biblical authorship is largely unknown. I just wish to show you that your Bible accepts it.

The Bible is not reliable yet you quoted from it. When the Bible talks about Ishmael being blessed and having twelve nations, don't you believe it? Smh!

There are other narrations that he often visited them. They were his family. He did not abandon them. The Kaaba was built during any one or more of those visits

Let's see the narrations.

Ibn Abbas narrated:

"... Ibrahim brought her (Hajrah) and her son, Ismail while she was suckling him, to a place near the Kaaba under a tree on the spot of Zam-Zam, at the highest place in the mosque. During those days there was nobody in Makkah, nor was there any water. So he made them sit over there and placed near them a leather bag containing some dates, and a small water-skin containing some water, and set out homeward. Ismail's mother followed him saying: "O Ibrahim! Where are you going, leaving us in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy, nor is there anything (to enjoy)?" She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her. Then she asked him: "Has Allah ordered you to do so?" He said: "Yes". She said: "Then He will not neglect us." and she returned (to her child) while Ibrahim proceeded on his way.

On reaching the Thaniya (mountain) where they could not see him, Ibrahim faced the Kaaba, and raising both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayer:

"O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Thy Sacred House; in order, O our Lord, that they may establish regular Prayer: so fill the hearts of some among men with love towards them, and feed them with fruits: so that they may give thanks." [Surah Ibrahim 14:37]..." [Sahih Bukhari Book# 55, Hadith# 583]

From the above narration, we can deduce the following:

1. Abraham went and did not look back.
2. He he did not look back because allah ordered him not to look back.

Since it was allah who ordered Abraham to leave Hagar and Ishmael without looking back, how do you expect him to come visiting them again? Coming or looking back visiting them is a disobedience to allah's order. Again, why did Abraham have to relocate them? It was because Abraham was ordered by God to send them out. Why would he still be living with them?

The truth is Abraham was not in Mecca to build Kaaba. It was built by idolaters in Mecca, which housed their 360 idols including Muhammad's father's idol I-illah later called allah. It was this I-illah (allah) that demon Gabriel commanded Muhammad and muslims to worship, making them to believe it is the true God.

timonski:
answer simple question

Smh!

timonski:
so u believe your god who can not destroy some iron chariots created the universe?

Don't derail the thread my friend!

greetings:
Am just gonna give you Islamic proof for how prophet Ibrahim and Ismail (A.S) got to makkah and how they built the kabbah.

check this link for quranic and hadith verifications. http://www.islamicity.com/articles/articles.asp?ref=AS1206-5158&p=2

hope that helps.

This is the story from your link:

Ibn Abbas narrated:

"... Ibrahim brought her (Hajrah) and her son, Ismail while she was suckling him, to a place near the Kaaba under a tree on the spot of Zam-Zam, at the highest place in the mosque. During those days there was nobody in Makkah, nor was there any water. So he made them sit over there and placed near them a leather bag containing some dates, and a small water-skin containing some water, and set out homeward. Ismail's mother followed him saying: "O Ibrahim! Where are you going, leaving us in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy, nor is there anything (to enjoy)?" She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her. Then she asked him: "Has Allah ordered you to do so?" He said: "Yes". She said: "Then He will not neglect us." and she returned (to her child) while Ibrahim proceeded on his way.

On reaching the Thaniya (mountain) where they could not see him, Ibrahim faced the Kaaba, and raising both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayer:

"O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Thy Sacred House; in order, O our Lord, that they may establish regular Prayer: so fill the hearts of some among men with love towards them, and feed them with fruits: so that they may give thanks." [Surah Ibrahim 14:37]..." [Sahih Bukhari Book# 55, Hadith# 583]

Firstly, Abraham was said to lead them to Mecca and turned back, meaning he did not stay with them. How could he have taken part in the building of Kaaba?

Secondly, Ishmael was said to be a baby still sucking, which shows he could not know Abraham and his religion very well as a baby. His mother as an Egyptian, who came from idolatry background (Egyptians were idol worshipers at that time) must have had influence on him. Worst still is the fact that his mother married him an Egyptian girl as well. This could account for the reason Kaaba was built originally for idol worship as Ishmael did not grow with the knowledge of Abraham religion.

That being apart, the story of Abraham taking Hagar and Ishmael to Mecca could not be true. The distance between Israel and Mecca is about 1500 km. Why would Abraham walk that long distance on leg to settle baby Ishmael in Mecca? Could Hagar and her small baby walk such a distance?

lanrexlan:
Sorry brother, their reasoning is provoking and very dumb.

That's why I rarely reply them nowadays, the op has opened the same thread asking about Ismael and Abraham.
Example

www.nairaland.com/1469102/muslims-prove-these-god

You only reply when you think you have a point and keep mute when there is nothing you have to say. Even the point you think you have is always a trash.

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Abuamam:
Just tired of the dumb arguments. For example, i have no idea what his death and burial have to do with anything. Anyhow, see this

http://www.islamawareness.net/Prophets/ismail.html

You can read all the Islamic evidence you like there.

Death and burial of Abraham is very important to establish whether or not they were at any time in Mecca. If they were truly in Mecca, are you not supposed to know how they got there and when they died from islamic sources? Up till now, nobody could trace the graves of Abraham and Ishmael in Mecca, proving they were never there. The bible proves they didn't go to Mecca, it states where they lived and died.

From the unverified story in your link, Abraham took Hagar and Ishmael there and turned back. How was Abraham a party to building Kaaba since he didn't stay with them?

malvisguy212:
I was in the church when the emir of kano son convert to Christianity,he told us of how many imam are encounting Jesus in there dreams.

Yes, Jesus is converting sincere muslims these days, not those who know the truth but are bent on falsehood deliberately like we have on nairaland.

Anas09:
If u ask any Muslim about the daughters of Allah, their responds will be to fight U. Pls ask them, who is AL ALAT, AL MANAT and AL UZZAH? These r the three daughters of Allah before Mohameed changed islam to monotheism. The satanic verses where given to Mohameed by these demons and he claims he got arevelation from GAbriel. And why do they even try to write the quran using the Victorian English of thee and thou? Very cheap.

Gabriel Muhammad had contact with was the Devil. This same spirit acted the roles of Gabriel, allah and Satan in the quran.He pretended as the God of the bible prophets for people to believe him.

malvisguy212:
this dos not prove anything.infacte,what glad tidings muhammed bring? The Christians and the Jews are obedient to God only for muhammed to come and contradicts the scripture,why will God waited for 600years before sending muhammed? No answer because it was satan that send him.

For people who were born into muslims' home and taught the quran, it takes God's special grace to get them delivered. Many of them are dying daily and finding themselves in hell. It is unfortunate. After Muhammad was used to deceive them, he went and never looked back. Only Jesus keeps visiting His own as he promised. He said He will never leave us nor forsake us.

malvisguy212:
ok, very good, muhammed is not a prophet but a Warner;

Allah says: “Say (O Muhammad): I have no
power over any good or harm to myself
except as Allah wills. If I had knowledge of
the unseen, I should have multiplied all
good, and no evil should have touched
me: I am but a WARNER, and a bringer of
glad tidings to those who have
faith.” [ Sûrah al-A`râf: 188]

Muhammad is neither a prophet nor a warner. If a prophet, what did he prophesy? If a warner, why did he not stop at warning people but killing them? Satan is a liar.

Rilwon:
What you don't understand here is that a warner is different from a messenger as you erroneously claim in your op and i won't even bother to argue with you on this because it is obvious you have a very shallow mind of thinking.

Surah Saba, Verse 44-45
And We have given them no scriptures which they study, nor sent We unto them, before thee, any warner <<<>< this verse is clear enough a warner shouldnt the mistaken for a messanger for the following verse says the denied the messanger that were before him...and now he is both a warner (against the terror of the judgement day and a messenger (bringer of good tidings.)

“We have not sent you but as a messenger to all humanity,giving them glad tidings and warning them.” [ Sûrah Saba’: 28]





Those before them denied, and these have not attained a tithe of that which We bestowed on them (of old); yet they denied My messengers. How intense then was My abhorrence (of them)!

have a nice day bruh

You lie.

What is the work of warner? So, Muhammad is not a messenger but a warner. Why do you call him a messenger? Liar.

truthman2012:
Let us see your islamic source(s) please.



When did he die and where was he buried? Show your proof.



Until you are able to provide proof for your statements.

@ Abuama

You have ran away from answering these questions. Scroll up to see them in detail.