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Abuamam:
This story get K-leg too much.
Anyway...



Part of the doctrine bro...
"For if the truth of God has more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?" Romans 3:7
Oh, King James (pentecostal preferred) version.

Would a preacher of God's word say is lying and expect people to believe him? You don't know the right interpretation of the Bible.

Horus:
So why did your Jesus allowed him to reach Mecca first, just to tell him after: "leave this place"?

Why did your Jesus forget to tell him: Dont go to Mecca?

The man got to Mecca before he called on God. If he had called Him at home He would have told him not to go to Mecca. All the while he has been calling on allah who could not solve his problems.

Rilwon:
Surah Saba, Verse 44-45
And We have given them no scriptures which they study, nor sent We unto them, before thee, any warner
Those before them denied, and these have not attained a tithe of that which We bestowed on them (of old); yet they denied My messengers. How intense then was My abhorrence (of them)!

You have only confirmed the OP.

It does not refute the fact that no prophet was in Arab before Muhammad. It means Abraham and Ishmael were never in Mecca to build Kaaba. Kaaba was and is the house of I-llah (allah), the god in Muhammad's family.

They denied my messengers refers to messengers sent to other people.

Abraham and Ishmael were not in Mecca to build Kaaba. This is why Jesus told the man to leave.

See it here: https://www.nairaland.com/2101868/quranic-evidence-abraham-ishmael-did

Quranic Evidence That Abraham Did Not Build Kaaba

And WE have given them no Scripture which they study nor sent WE unto them before thee, any warner
(Quran 34:44).

Allah says no Scripture was given to the Arabs nor was there any warner (messenger) sent to them before
Muhammad. It shows clearly that Abraham and Ishmael as messengers (warners) were never in Mecca. If
Allah says otherwise in other verses of the quran, it amounts to contradictions.

Kaaba is said to be a house of worship for all mankind. Why is it that it was only Abraham and Ishmael
that were associated with it?

Isaac and other children of Abraham did not recognize or sanctify Kaaba, Why?

Abraham and other prophets after him made no mention of Kaaba in the earlier Scripture, to which
Quran is said to confirm: And when there cometh unto them a Scripture from Allah, confirming that in
their possession (Quran 2:89).

Abuamam:
Lol. Islam is the pure religion of monotheism. No fraud to expose. If you feel the need for some exposure, perhaps one of the numerous threads on stage-managed miracles in churches, or scandals and money grubbing associated by some men-of-mammon should serve to entertain you better.

You lie. You guys deny any hadith that exposes the dirty acts of Muhammad. Why are muslims killing any time Muhammed is exposed by the press?

Abuamam

The Qur'an was revealed over a total of 23years... enough time for a refutation to occur, but was not forthcoming.

Who would have refuted him when he had formed an army of muslims (jihadists). Do you want them beheaded? Smh!

Yes, the angel was seen by the companions on different occasions.

How are you sure the angel is from God as his message contradicts the earlier Scripture?

-There were other signs of his prophethood as well;

His manners of recieving revelations were terrible: falling down unconscious, sweating, snoring and bearing it with serious pains.
The is not the way the true God spoke to his prophets.

Abuamam

He was not born there. He was taken there by his mother Hagar, when Abraham's first wife drove them out.
He settled there.

Let us see your islamic source(s) please.

What do you mean, how did he exit? By Alitalia, or Saudi airlines? He lived there.

When did he die and where was he buried? Show your proof.

What is so hard there. Sheeesh.

Until you are able to provide proof for your statements.

Abuamam:
There is confirmation aplenty; authentic and widespread. The whole body of hadith sciences serves to confirm the truth of the message of the prophet (saw). In fact, confirmations of the Qur'an are more in number and have superior authenticity to the authorship of the Bible or any other book in history.

This same hadiths you will deny when we begin to expose islam now.

Hajj is not the place of God, hence Jesus told the man to leave.

Allah forgot to tell the muslims how Abraham and Ishmael got to Mecca from Israel and what brought them there. He also forgot to tell them when and how they exited Mecca.

I asked a question, which none of them was able to answer: Was Ishmael born in Mecca, if no, how did he get there and when and how did he exit including Abraham?

All the questions remain unaswered and yet they say Abraham and Ishmael built Kaaba, where Hajj is performed. Why would Jesus not ask His beloved to leave hajj as He has no hand in it?

SalC:
@the bold, you muslims don't believe in visions yet you believe Mohammed saw vision and as a result wrote the koran?


If muslims don't believe in visions, that makes the koran useless no?

Thank you bro.

The whole of quran is one-man vision. A testimony of only one man without any confirmation, yet muslims believe. How are they sure it was not a devil Muhammad saw moreso that his message contradicts the earlier Scripture?

lanrexlan:
Lies alert!!!!! One of his brothers in Christ whose lying is their hobby once post the same story HERE

Don't be surprised brothers, christians will do anything to clinch a soul for christ.

It's the same man that posted an Imaam that shouted 'Jesus' while praying and his christian brothers were praising him that he's a blessing to christianity

Is it my statement?

Didn't you see the man's picture in the link?

May God have mercy on you.

Abuamam:
He would direct him to worship Jesus, yes. He did not direct him to the true path followed by Jesus... strict monotheism.

He had been worshiping allah and that took him to hajj and yet his life was not meaningful. It was after his conversion he appologized to his wife. Would devil make him do that? If had called on allah in Mecca he would not have seen Jesus but luckily he called on God and Jesus appeared.

Abuamam:
Delirium tremens. Lol.

Stop wasting your time. We muslims do not believe in visions. Any devil can come and tell you "I am Jesus, I am God. Do this and that".

Incidentally, all these ex-muslims that form movements and so on, end up being fraudulent. They know how gullible christians can be, so they cook up the kind of unsubstantiable story that christians love to hear, then make a living off the story. Any unscrupulous muslim can do it.

419 things.

And the devil would direct a person to Jesus, who your quran recognizes as a true prophet?

Who did he want to deceive in Turkey and make a living from it where he had no access to the Bible for many years?

Almuhsin:
Lies!!!!!

How do you know?

Muslim Goes to Mecca – and Finds Jesus!
Thursday, May 15, 2014 | Charles Gardner

A Turkish Muslim who made a pilgrimage to Mecca in a desperate attempt to get his life back on track returned as a Christian to the great astonishment of his family.

Ali, a Kurd, suffered from alcohol addiction when friends persuaded him to make Hajj (pilgrimage) to Islam's holy city. It was in Saudi Arabia, where liquor is banned, and the religious ritual might cure him, they suggested.

When he got there, he cried out to God for help (if indeed He was there) and fell asleep.

Jesus then appeared to him in a dream and touched him, saying: "You believe in me now; leave this place."

After taking a shower next morning, he discovered what he thought was dust on the part of his chest Jesus had touched, but in fact the hair on his chest had turned white in the shape of a hand! At the traditional celebration marking his return from Hajj, he announced to his incredulous family that he had seen Jesus in Mecca and had come back a Christian.

He burst out crying in front of his wife and asked forgiveness for the way he had treated her, clearly demonstrating a dramatic change in his life.

But for three years he had no access to a Bible and it was seven years before he met another Turkish Christian.

He eventually started a church in Ankara, the capital, which he has recently handed over to trusted elders in order to begin a new work in Eastern Turkey, where he was raised.

At the Crossroads, hosted at Christ Church in the heart of Jerusalem's Old City, is aimed at deepening the bonds of reconciliation between Arab Christians and Jewish followers of Jesus and is being attended by delegates from a number of Middle East countries including Iran, Egypt, Cyprus and Jordan.

Speaking in Turkish (translated through headsets for those who needed it), Ali spoke of how Abraham was also his ancestor, and how he saw it as part of his mission to help re-unite the children of Isaac and Ishmael (Abraham's children by different wives).

Illustrating how family division can cause lasting conflict among the children affected, he said it was no different for the descendants of Abraham who continue to be embroiled in much strife and contention with each other.

But now it was time for reconciliation. "We have a very important ministry - to reconcile the world," he said.

But it could only be done through Jesus. "Everybody in Turkey says they believe in God," he said. "But people are persecuting me!"

In a further example of reconciliation, a Palestinian delegate from Hebron (where Abraham is buried) said: "I was one of those who hated the Jews, but Jesus changed my life."

A number of Israeli pastors responded by laying hands on him in prayer and offering words of encouragement.

Speaking for myself, I was profoundly moved when during a communion service the previous night I was surrounded by a Turk, Egyptian, Iranian, Armenian and an Israeli originally from South Africa.

Although there was a language barrier in some cases, we embraced each other without words during the traditional 'peace' greeting that immediately precedes the sharing of bread and wine.

The conference - including worship sessions - is also being held in English, Hebrew and Arabic

Link: www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/24612/Default.aspx?archive=article_title

Now if Islam is approved by God or Jesus a muslim, why did he (Jesus) call the man out of Hajj? Muslims should think about this and come to Jesus for salvation.

lanrexlan:
Stop spamming my mention with your headache

Smh!

malvisguy212:
happy Sunday.

Thanks and God bless you.

malvisguy212:
God grants prayers done in the "name of Jesus." "And whatever
you ask in My name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified
in the Son." (John 14:13) This does not mean that all prayers ending in the words "in Jesus name" will be granted - but only those that
glorify the Father.sadly, in a world were people's are to make Spiritual choices causes world division,not everyone will agree with your spiritual the choice you make.they wont glorified the father.

Only prayers that glorify the Father.

Nice one.

macof:
Exactly! unless I turn and bow to a Jewish idol

But it is only you I know who have made this type of complaint. Why only you?

Rilwon:
From my last post: " Their exit is not our business, where they were buried is not our business if not how they served their Lord and that should be our legacy."

I won't repeat myself.

Was Ishmael born in Mecca? If not, how did he get there?

Rilwon:
Thank God you are honest to yourself unlike moses, even though there are few questions in that post...but lets leave it there



Wikipedia a articles are backed up with facts, that why at the bottom, you see their references, so they are not writing to suit anybody. It pains me that despite refering you to the site you neither check it nor fact-check it, but you only come here to cry foul...shm



Their exit is not our business, where they were buried is not our busineess if not how they served their Lord , and that should be our legacy.

If allah had told you where Abraham and Ishmael died, it would been open to you they were never in Mecca to build Kaaba. It is just one of allah's manipulations and deceptions by deliberately failing to tell muslims.

Was Ishmael born in Mecca, if not how did he get there? Proof required.

davien:
You are applying it wrongly....
Here's an analogy,because erosion forms soil and micro-organisms are a part of soil doesn't mean erosion creates micro-organisms,do you understand?

You are cleverly dodging the question: how did man come about in a Universe caused by cosmic inflation? Simple.

macof:
nothing...thats wat religious extremism brings

So, you were just going gently on your own and they came out of the church and threaten to roast you? It is a serious matter.

davien:
lol....If you had read anything about the subject you'd know it has nothing to do with the existence of human beings...you're leaping from astronomy to biology..

Is man not part of the Universe, which you believe came to existence through cosmic inflation? The question that led to this was 'What Caused the Universe'? And you said it was cosmic inflation. Then, how did the cosmic inflation produce man?

macof:
No, threatening to roast me

Roast you?

What did you alone do to them?

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davien:
Has your browsing capability expired or you're too lazy to make the research?

You need to defend the issue you raised and it is you who is lazy to state what you discovered in your reseach.

How did cosmic inflation lead to emergence of man?

Rilwon:
Please reply my post accordingly (quote them one after the other, as i have been doing to yours) before asking me any question.

Waiting in anticipation.

I don't need to reply your post again because it is an answer to mine. Must I continue to dispute your answer and repeating what I have said earlier? Must I answer your answer? That is all I want to say in that area. But the bible is more authentic than wikipedia, who just write what is believed by the muslims and other religions and not what really it is.

Answer my questions with proof and there may be no need for further arguments. I ask the questions because I know muslims have no answer to them as a deception by allah. He talked about their entrying Mecca and not their exit.

davien:
Did you try wiki, because I'm sure we'd be going in circles if I tried explaining it for you..
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_(cosmology)

Cosmic inflation is defined as 'expansion of space'. Try to explain how this led to emergence of man, afterall he is a part of the Universe.

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