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Higgs boson: scientists confident they have discovered the God particule.

Scientists are confident that they have discovered the long sought after Higgs boson, known as "God particule", which holds the physical fabric of the universe together.

Little science says there is no God. They have only discovered a part of God and that is only what He wants them to see of Him.

Link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/large-hadron-collider/9929535/Higgs-boson-scientists-confident-they-have-discovered-the-God-particle.html

Horus:
When you say that the Dictionary defines, in reality, who defines?. Are you saying that your "god" have to agree with the definitions in the Advanced Learners Dictionary?. Are you saying that your "god" created the Advanced Learners Dictionary?. Present day authorities, theologians, philosophers, and so-called linguistics of European birth use several of their own languages to control your mind and entrap you in their definitions. Remember that their first holy book is the Bible or the Koran, and their second and most holy book is their dictionary; with these tools, they rule. They can decide what is true and what is false, and they can make a learnt man, look like a fool, or a liar, because they are unquestionable. The format used is author, authentic, authority. With those three principles, everybody retreats to them to check themselves and their own culture. Whenever you look up the root of a word, and where it originated, you are always led to Greek, French, Old English, Latin, and Arabic. Most of your definitions are coming from these languages. They have you controlled by these languages to keep your mind trapped and make themselves the authorities, the authors, and thus appear to be authentic.

Where are the languages used in science and technology, which you are enjoying coming from?

Weah96:
Who has the stronger will, your own God, or the demons that your God designed in his workshop?

Because the devil seems to be getting his way, even in the face of the will recorded in the bible.

If you are not under the will of God, evil can prevail over you. You are not covered by God's protection and He would not force His will on you.

jayriginal:
Wow China huh?

Out of a population of over 1.35 billion, 120 million strikes you as significant enough to be called universal?

With the same logic have you cared to find out how many places recognize the Quran?

In any case, you have dragged me too far into this. I can tell the way your mind is working. I am satisfied with refuting your notion of scientific proof for a thing you claim is beyond human experiments.

That will be all.

You have refuted nothing.

Weah96:
So where is the will of your deity? Does the will of the demons supersede his own will? Smh.

The will of God is exppressed in His words. If anyone is not under His will, he/she is vulnerable to evil spirits.

That you don't believe in God is the work of the evil spirit. That is what the Devil wants for your life.

davien:
So "demons" control people's will'?

Yes.

Haven't you seen mad people before? What do you think is controlling their will?

Rilwayne001

You have'nt prove anything, perhaps you can provide evidence for us all to see that Paran is located in Israel. I actually ignored this earlier on
because i see that you have once again displayed your ignorance, and i am not your teacher to teach you things you do not know everyday.

According to wikipedia:
It is not certain precisely where the wilderness of Paran is to be located. It is often associated with Mount Sinai in Egypt,and there is
some evidence that it may originally have referred to the southern portion of the Sinai Peninsula .

Both Eusebius (in his Onomasticon, a Bible dictionary) and Jerome reported that Paran was a city in Paran desert, in Arabia Deserta
(beyond Arabia Nabataea), southeast of Eilat Pharan. Onomasticon , under Pharan, states: "(Now) a city beyond Arabia adjoining the desert of the Saracens [who wander in the desert] through which the children or Israel went moving (camp) from Sinai. Located (we say) beyond Arabia on the south, three days journey to the east of Aila (in the desert Pharan) where Scripture affirms Ismael dwelled, whence the Ishmaelites. It is said (we read) also that (king) Chodollagomor cut to pieces those in
'Pharan which is in the desert'."

Eusebius' mention of Chodollagomor here refers to a possible earlier mention of Paran in Genesis 14:6, which states that as he and the other
kings allied with him were campaigning in the region of Sodom and Gomorrah, they smote "the Horites in their mount Seir , unto El-paran,
which is by the wilderness." (KJV) Sebeos , the Armenian Bishop and historian, describing the Arab conquest of his time, wrote that the
Arabs "assembled and came out from Paran "

This is a distortion of the Bible by the writer, a man raised up to distort the truth. You parade islamic sites pasting so many fallacies on the Bible thinking you are making points. People in the islamic sites cannot know the God of the Bible as they don't have the spirit of the Bible. It is one thing to read the Bible, it is another thing to know the mind of God when He speaks.

Their and your case is like that of the man of Ethiopia who read the Scripture and despite his education, he could not understand it: And he rose and went: and behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopiaqns, who had the charge of all her treasure and had come to Jerusalem for to worship. Then the Spirit said unto Philip, go near and join thyself to this chariot. And Philip ran thither to him and heard him read the prophet Esaias and said
Understandest thou what thou readest? And he said, How can I except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him (Acts 8:27-31).

Paran Is Not In Mecca

"At the end of forty days they returned from exploring the land. They came back to Moses and Aaron and the whole Israelite community at
Kadesh in the [b]Desert of Paran. There they reported to them and to the whole assembly and showed them the fruit of the land. They gave
Moses this account: 'We went into the land to which you sent us, and it does flow with milk and honey! Here is its fruit.'" Numbers 13:25-27

Can you see that Paran is part of Israelite community?

These be the words which Moses spake unto all Israel on this side of Jordan in the wilderness in the plain over against the Red Sea and between[b] Paran [/b]and Tophel and Laban and Hazeroth and Dizahab (Deut. 1:1). Tell me, were Moses and the Israelites in Paran in Mecca? Paran is never Mecca.

Wether they step into mecca or not, their children did and their children in one way or the other have been influenced by their father, even though thry later lost the mode of worship, yet they didnt forget the name of the God their father and their G father worshipped. this has been the point have been trying to pass to your stiffnecked head.

Since you have no choice but to agree that Abraham and Ishmael did not step their feet in Mecca but their children, you will need to explain how they built Kaaba in Mecca when they were not there.

frank317:
Lol... This is the best joke on nairaland

I don't expect you to believe anything as an unbeliever (atheist).

@Rilwon

Allah told Muhammad to consult the Jews and the Christians if he was in doubt of the revelations he was receiving: (And if thou art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers (Quran 10:94).

First of all we have to understand the context of this verse, the story of Pharao

Lie. The verse has nothing to do with Pharao. The heading of the verse is "Jonah"

Now there are 2 possible reason why he was told to refer to the people of the book here.

1) [b]To confirm the story of pharao [/b]revealed unto him i.e following the context of the verse.

2) Allah is reffering him to honest Jews and the Christians who the Quran notify as the few honest people of the Book among this corrupt people.

Surah 3:113-114: "Not all of them are alike. Some of the People of the Book are an upright people. They recite the signs (or verses) of God in the night season and they bow down worshipping. They believe in God and the last day. They command what is just, and forbid what is wrong and they hasten in good works, and they are of the righteous .

That the verse has nothing to do with Pharao has nullified everything you said here.

Surah 3:113-114: "Not all of them are alike. Some of the People of the Book are an upright people. They recite the signs (or verses) of God in the night season and they bow down worshipping. They believe in God and the last day. They command what is just, and forbid what is wrong and they hasten in good works, and they are of the righteous

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There is nowhere in the Bible where people were enjoined to recite. If there is, quote. This is a lie.

And We sent not (as Our messengers) before thee other than men whom WE inspired. ASK the followers
the Reminders if ye KNOW NOT (Quran 21:7)

There are 2 things involved here too:

1) You made a mistake by assuminhmg the prophet was the one that is to ask the followers of the reminder when actually the verse was directed at those who are movking the prophet in the preceeding verse. Thry were told to ask the Jews and the christians if they know not, I think another traslation will help here. Now if you can take this explanation..

2) ..then refer back to my 2nd explanation up here

Prove that the verse was directed at those mocking the prophet as nothing shows your claim there.

The above verses are an approval of the Jews and Christians Scriptures by Allah.

No, but rather upright jews and christians who have seen the ttruth after reading the quran:

Lie. The quran was not sent or available as a Book that time. Various muslims had it in memory. Did the Jews and Christians read it from their heads?

Surah 5:82-83 You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with Allah; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say,"We are Christians." That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant. And when they hear what has been revealed to the Messenger, you see their eyes overflowing with tears because of what they have recognized of the truth. They say, "Our Lord, we have believed, so register us among the witnesses.

This people were not Christians, who recognized the truth of islam and saying "we have believed, so register us among the witnesses.

Furthermore: Those unto whom we have given the Scripture, who read it with the right reading, those believe in it. And whose disbelieveth in it, those are they who are the loser (Quran 2:121). Since the Scripture is said to be good for those who read with right reading, why did he condemn the same Scripture again?

[color=#990000]Like I said the other day, with the Quran I can differentiate the word of God from the word of man in the bible...same explanations so far applies here.

Right reading is not the same as right writing. This means the writing is right. Right reading means right interpretation. So, you are dead wrong differentiating the word of God from the word of man.

The Muslims, Jews and Christians are going to heaven with reward: Lo! those who believe (in that) which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad AND those who are Jews and Christians and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely thier reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.(Quran 2:62). Here the quran makes us believe that both Christians and Muslims are going to the same heaven despite the differences in their religion,

So far any reading this will agree with me that the J & C reffered here are the honest J & C, who after reading this acknowledges the fact that it came from their Lord:
Surah 3:113-114: "Not all of them are alike. Some of the People of the Book are an upright people. They recite the signs (or verses) of God in the night season and they bow down worshipping. [/b]They believe in God and the last day. They command what is just, and forbid what is wrong and they hasten in good works, and they are of the righteous .

Surah 3:199
[b]"And there are, certainly, among the People of the Book, those who believe in God, and that which has been revealed to you, in that which has been revealed to them, bowing in humility to God. They will not sell the signs of God for miserable gain. For them is a reward with their Lord, and God is swift in account."

I believe everybody now know the Jews and christians that are going to heaven with the muslims.

[/color][/quote]There are a lot of fallacies in your post here. Every Christians, whether allah calls them honest or dishonest, believe Jesus is the Son of God. Christianity is built on the foundation that Jesus is the Son of God. That Jesus is the Son of God is the reason they killed him. Every Christian believe Jesus is the Son of God or else he/she is not a Christian. But see what allah said concerning those (Christians) who declare Jesus as God's Son: They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah himself said: O children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden Paradise. His abode is Fire. For evil doers there will be no helpers (Quran 5:72).

Allah knowing fully well what Christians belief is: ascribing partners to Him, yet he Said: Lo! those who believe (in that) which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad AND those who are Jews and Christians and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely thier reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.(Quran 2:62).
Which do we now believe? All Christians ascribe partner to Allah and still he said they are going to heaven. Man, you have nowhere to hide.

then why:Fight against such of those have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day....(Quran 9:29)

We have to understand here that this verse was inspired during the time of war, the jews connived with the then pagans of mecca to attack muslims despite the muslims making peace treaty with them.
Surah 9: 13:
What! will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Apostle, and they attacked you first; do you fear them? But Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers.

They fought them first despite making the treaty/ oath that they won't attack the then muslims again.
Contrary to your point here that muslims were orrdered to kill Jews and xtians. Hence, the last verse of this surah refute your erroneous claim.

This is a lie, Christians by their teachings don't attack people first. If it was the Jews who attacked them first, why include the Christians in their killings.

....We believe in the Revelation which has come down to us and that which to you; our Allah and your Allah is One and to Him we surrender (Quran 29:46).[/color] If Allah's statement here is correct, why do muslims not believe the earlier Jews and Christians

They don't have to believe the earlier jews beacuse most of them are corrupt, even moses [/b]foretold about them distorting the book given to them, its right there in the bible.

So, you mean it was the people who were corrupt and not their Scripture, which Moses told them.

revelations, for which reason he said they should be fought? And when there cometh unto them a Scripture from Allah, confirming that in their possession (Quran 2:89).[/color] First, this verse makes it clear that the Scripture in Jews' and Christians' possession at Muhammad's time is the TRUTH as [b]the quran came to confirm and not to correct it. To confirm means to say it is true or authentic. But why did Allah still say it is changed or corrupted? Second, if the quran came to confirm the earlier Scripture, why the differences?

The context should serve better
The Quran nowhere says that they have the
complete truth.
2: 89 And whenever there came unto them a [new] revelation from God, confirming the truth already in their possession-and [bear in mind that] aforetime they used to pray for victory over those who were bent on denying the truth -: whenever there came unto them something which they recognized [as the truth], they would deny it. And God's rejection is the due of all who deny the truth.

The point here is that they ( honest jews and christians) are aware that their is problem, hence the need to another prophet and scripture arises.

You nailed yourself in the foot here. You said "the quran nowhere says that they have the complete truth" but Quran 2:89 you referred to says "the truth already in their possession" This shows you have ever been fabricating lies.

Since the other scripture were sent uncorrupted to the people of the book, even though they were later corrupted, did'nt the Quran confirm the uuncorrupted one?

This is a lie. The same quran confirms the Torah and Gospel are good for judgment.

Rilwon:
video or idon...** you know the rest, hehehe.

Wait oooo, a pastor actually run mad while praying to a mad man here in Ib some years ago hehe..


www.nairaland.com/977401/pastor-runs-mad-while-praying
lmao

If it was a muslim that gave a testimony, picture or no picture you will believe it, abi?

There are pastors and there are pastors, that a man calls himself a pastor does mean is a man of God. The Lord knows those that are His. I have prayed for a man possessed of the devil and at the shout of 'fire' he fell down and after waiting for a few second, the demon said ''I return the fire'' but I was not affected. Don't ask me for photo, miracles are not for show off. Your unbelief does not change our God.

Rilwon:
Gainsayer will call it lies even after present my points from the Quran, can you now see why i decline to argue with you?... I may not continue continue with you for i have been advised to ignore you and your ilks on the other thread.

Do you expect me to agree with you when it is so glaring you fabricated some things? Just wait, you will see it for yourself.

aanikky:
Even if it's translated as removed from fire, I've got no problem with that, i think i later added that to my reply. See I dont insult Jesus, I dont insult your trinity, I've got nothing against the Bible but when you go saying things against Allah then issues stop being funny. Don't you ever insult Allah again, okay. Respect is reciprocal, don't call my God a liar or someone who changes His words. Do you knpw how many xtians reverted to Islam by reading the Qur'an, countless, TabarakaLlahu, you people amaze me so much, no matter how much you conspire no matter how much you twist to deceive some of your ignorant folks, whomsoever God has guided no one can lead astray not even a liar like you. Orisirisi

Are you new on nairaland? Check out what your fellow muslims have been writing.

macof:
Of course the muslims are retarded and Islam should be made an international crime but christianity is not innocent, both religions are for mad people

Tell me where you see Christians killing people of other religions for converting to Christianity.

aanikky:
Saved from fire, not removed from fire. We muslims believe no one can enter paradise except with the mercy of God.
Even if it's translated as removed from fire, it doesn't state that everyone will be put in fire then removed. It's believed in Islam that some set of people will enter paradise, then these people will see some of their companions on earth in fire and they will intercede on their behalf, God will then command the angels to remove some people who believed in God from the fire. Not all Muslims will go straight to paradise, some people will go to hell then they will be removed. But all Muslims will enter paradise in the end, it's all dependent on what you do on earth.

Let's your source.

aanikky:
and what do you have to say to my claims about your beliefs, who you worship....

Don't derail the thread, if you have anything to say outside this, open a thread.

aanikky:
Saved from fire, not removed from fire. We muslims believe no one can enter paradise except with the mercy of God.

Whose translation is the 'saved' and not 'removed' from Fire? Muslims keeps re-translating the quran as soon as fault is found in one. I'm not surprised, the same thing allah was doing in the quran, changing his words to suit situations.

aanikky:
I think u should hide yourself in shame, the guy Rilwon has refuted your so called claims, one after the other and now you are at loss. Some of the verses you quoted are not even quoted completely, u left the parts that could expose your deceit. If anyone should think about their eternal life it's you. You pray to someone who knelt down to God, you worship someone who slept , ate and walked on this earth, you worship someone who died for your sins. Who needs to be ashamed here I ask you.

I'm coming to debunk the lies Rilwon put up as defences as soon as our power is restored. He just fabricated something as a disguise. Many quranic verses are not in his support or they are quranic contradictions.

aanikky:
Every soul shall have a taste of death: And only on the Day of Judgment shall you be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved far from the Fire and admitted to the Garden will have attained the object (of Life): For the life of this world is but goods and chattels of deception. (Qur'an3:185)

Every soul will taste of death. And ye will be paid on the Day of Resurrection only that which ye have faily earned. Whoso is REMOVED from the Fire and made to enter Paradise, he indeed is triumphat.....(Quran 3:185, Pickthall).

It means all muslims go into inside Fire at death pending Resurrection Day when some will be removed and made to enter Paradise.

Weah96:
Everyone has a few days on earth. Get your mind right.

A man was about dying and a lady preached Jesus to him. He moaned 'no' in anger. Then the lady discovered the man must have been under demonic influence and she shouted ''demon leave in Jesus name''. The man burst in tears and requested the lady to pray for him to get to heaven and he gave his life to Jesus. What a lucky man! I pray the demon in you will leave for God's words to have meaning to you.

yazach:
Laughing in yoruba
Bohahahahahahahah

Laughing in chinko
kia kia kia kia kia kia

Laughing in German

Buho Buho Buho

Are you supposed to be laughing or being sober? Are you laughing with your eternal life?

You are to be pitied having seen the falsehood of islam, which no muslim can refute and yet laughing. Can't you discover from the OP that allah is lying and manipulating? What do you call people who laugh when there is no reason to laugh? Muslims on NL should cover their faces in shame.

Weah96:
Allah and Jesus are equally [size=14pt]powerless[/size]. I can defeat them both in an arm wrestling contest.

A mortal man with a few days on earth. Smh!

jayriginal:
At what time did the bible become universally accepted according to you and what exactly makes it universally accepted?

So Yoruba's are lying and foreigners are telling the truth?

What is the status of your God in Asia?

They recognize the bible in Africa, Europe, Australia, America, Asia, and other continents. In China alone we have about 120 million Christians, that is about the entire population of Nigeria. How more universal can it be?

macof:
Who would do d chopping? Am talking abt Christians leaving traditional beliefs alone..stop attacking us in ur churches nd going to the street with large microphone disturbing the public nd discouraging people from their ancestral heritage

Muslims do the chopping and if you keep encouraging them it will be on the increase. Don't you hear muslims shouting allau akbar all the time from as early as 5am? That one doesn't disturb the public but the church, abi? In the 70s muslims attacked 'egungun' worshipers in Ajegunle, Lagos and last year they attacked them in Ada in Osun. Yet they are not disturbing you.

macof:
They won't obviously but will Christian evangelists leave others to their beliefs and quit verbal attacks nd emotional blackmail?

Leave them to their belief so that they can continue in their atrocities? Would you be saying this if they have cut of your hands or legs or chopped off your neck? It is the truth that the spirit of islam dwells in atheists and pagans, otherwise, why the support for evil?

DieeDiee:
Guys let's leave the religious. If people want to believe in talking snakes, beings that fly and have wings, apples that give sight (though it is puzzling how people who can't see could distinguish which tree out of the garden the snake was talking about), bread and fish that multiplies and fire that talks so be it. It gives them comfort in this crazy, ugly world.

If you wouldn't talk about religion, then you don't talk on this thread because the topic is about religion.

jayriginal:
Really?

You really think there is no other religion that claims their "being" is the cause?

And even if there is no other religion claiming the cause, is it enough to believe simply because one claims so?



Just a small sampling. I hope the point is clear.

Who are the authors of those write-ups? They are not universally accepted. Who knows olorun, obatala etc in the West, Asia or China etc. When did Yoruba race come to existence? When did yorubas' olorun create the Israelites who existed before them? They make false claims.

The bible is not the testimony of one person, and it is universally accepted. Prophets from different generations testified of the same God.

jayriginal:
I should accept it simply because the bible said so?

Yes, as no other Being claims the cause.

jayriginal:
How can you talk of scientific proof when the thing you seek to prove is beyond human experiments?

I dont know what "caused" the Universe.

The Bible says it was God that caused the Universe and since you have no alternative cause, it is only reasonable you accept it was God.

Day 2. Good morning muslim friends.

malvisguy212:
I pray the Muslim know the truth in Jesus name before it too late.

Amen