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macof:
You mind taking time to come to my neighborhood at Ikorodu to listen to the nonsense called evangelism and preaching?

Threatening to chop off your neck?

McSterling:
How intransigent can you be in your ignorance? You are very wrong to think the Higgs Boson has anything to do with God. Several posters have already tried to make you see your folly but like a typical uppity religious man you've decided not to learn. The name "God Particle" probably has its root in its elusiveness, which is akin to God. Whichever way, it's only a colloquial term for the Higgs. It has absolutely nothing to do with God. It neither proves nor disproves God. Next time when you are corrected by obviously more informed people, do your self the favour of taking to correction. Don't be obstinate. It doesn't matter that atheists are the ones correcting you, OK?

Stop being abusive, it shows the kind of manners you have. Smh!

Can you tell the readers what and how the picture you saw there came to be.

Rilwon:
Woww so wikipedia is now an Islamic site?




You mean the spirit that led over 41000 denominations to different dogmas and views?



But what makes you think you the pope is not right?



I have no bisness with the ethopian man.



Then where is Paran? in Israel? How?



Are you having problem with english here

The underlined did'nt say "Israel community" but rather " Israelite community " which means settlements of the israelites in an environment that is not theirs...for example Hausa community in Lagos does not mean Lagos is an hausa land, does it?

The israelite community been reffered to are groups of people that are Israelites.

We see in another verse:Num 20:1 In the first month the whole Israelite community arrived at the Desert of Zin, and they stayed at Kadesh. There Miriam died and was buried.

Oya say another lie.




Lol! you need to brush your english for it to be more sharp in comprehending simple words, bros Israelite community is different from israel community...



This proves nothing,

Firstly you have to interprete those other places mentioned in the above verse with evidence that they are all in israel.

Then secondly we are told that moses and his fighters were on their way to take possession of the promised land and we are later told in the OT that moses was only able see the promise land but coudnt reach it. Now the Question is, Is Israel not part of the promise land

They indeed stepped into mecca since the desert of paran is in mecca.

With proof:

Where did Abraham die and buried?

Where did Ishmael die and buried?

macof:
By pastors, evangelists, the media, the churches down the street.

Proof required

PAGAN9JA:
Quiet.

Take it easy na.

eaziaque:
I don't like commenting on certain issues but I can't resist the will to comment on this. Firstly, I don't have a problem with a critics voicing his opinion on a religious issue once it is well structured, but when the criticism is disillusioned, low mark and full of immature supposition, coming from idle hands and mind, who seek limelight for whatsoever reasons well known to him, then it becomes a problem. Even a blind man can smell how immature and unprofessional this piece from truthman2012 is. It is not by "borrowing" quotes from the internet and coiling and merging it with some restless thoughts that makes you a religious critics, it is the ability to study relentlessly a religion both scripturally and in deeds without any hint of hate, prejudice or fanatism that makes someone like me respect you as a critics. Secondly, you think you know Islam? Well, you don't, you are not even capable of realising that the Word ALLAH is only the arabic equivalent of the english Word GOD, as it is in OLOHUN in yoruba, YAHWEH in hebrew and DIEU in french, meaning you never study the Quran, neither did you study the deeds of respectable islamist you know, then why for God's sake do you debate on an issue you are ignorant of? Why would you accord yourself the liberty and luxury of critising something you have no knowledge of, such ego can not ne driven by other than fanatism and hate. For your information, all Abrahamic faiths stems from the same source and despite the differences we made of them today, they all cut their belief (I use singular here because they are all of one belief) off paganism, polytheism and atheism, so where in your scriptures if you believe in one, do you see Islam, one of the Abrahamic faith having ties with paganism and atheism? Thirdly, please go back history lane before making religious historical references, you need to learn about "heresy" from christianity perspective, research on crusaders, impact and methodology of christianity in conquered lands, ask what the take of christianity is on slavery and its trade in africa, you may have your eyes opened a bit, ofcourse if you derobe yourself of that fanatism and hatred I sensed in you. Fourthly, you don't judge a religion or a faith based on what you observed in a particular grroup of persons, it tends to lead you astray, the Army of God in USA is a christian group (please research this), I can't say christianity tolerate homosexuality beacause certain church priests and archbishops indulge in the act and I can say all christians are ignorant because truthman2012 who seems to be writing as a christian author is discussing off point! A constitution serves as the guide-line and identity of a people, Quran is the Islamic constitution, if you can't take your time to study it and research it before going against its faith and its people, then please write no more of your confusing pieces. Religious issues are not issues you tabled based on your own thoughts, they are issues worth intensive and sincere research. May God's peace be unto you.

I don't use my words, I use islamic records.

PAGAN9JA:
So childish reasoning.

You can't reason the way I do. You do not have the Spirit to discern spirits.

PastorKun:
It's really funny that muslims are ashamed of a lot of past deeds of their prophet, yet they still accept him despite his numerous flaws and short comings.

The muslims are in satanic bondage. I heard of Sat Guru Maharaji who when slaughtering some of his members the others are jealous of them, in the belief that the slaughtered are their god's favourates.

It is all about brainwashing.

jayriginal:
I do not know who/what "caused" the Universe.

If you don't know something and someone tells you what it is, what justification do you have to deny it?

malvisguy212:
Nobody is insulting muhammed, is just that all his deed and command are in the quran.

Don't mind them.

What is insult?

If Muhammad did something and is on record, is it an insult to say what he did?

Why did he do what should not be said in public?

PAGAN9JA:
Op you have no right to justify christianity with your writeup.

Xhristianity gavr birth to islam.


christianity is the source of world problems.

I know why you said this.

Paganism and islam are under the same deity. The deity has many departments: paganism, islam, atheism, white garment churches etc. All the people in these departments have soft spot for islam because they are controlled by the same spirit.

davien:
I dunno,as far as we can tell the universe is a result of cosmic inflation..do you agree with this?

Define 'cosmic inflation'.

macof:
Well I've seen threats nd blackmail

By who and where?

macof:
There's a difference between God and The Creator
A God can be anything you wish it to be, jst use ur imagination and add ths act of worship to it

Who is the Creator?

macof:
There's a difference between God and The Creator
A God can be anything you wish it to be, jst use ur imagination and add ths act of worship to it

Who is the Created?

davien:
Why a who? do people create universes?

Okay, what caused the Universe?

Lies.

Adam and Eve were permited to eat of all the fruits of the GARDEN except the one in the MIDDLE. When did satan become the FRUIT living in the middle of the GARDEN?

How do you cover your MOUTH and HANDS when you need them for use in public places?

What do you need your genitals for in public places, that you do not need to cover?

What is sacred about MOUTH and HANDS to be covered?

Blakjewelry:
Quoting from the Bible. Read most ancient history of the world you will found out that the Bible is not first book that try to merge the creation of the universe with a deity but we're they all failed is trying tell the origin the said deity, but were the Bible failed woefully is it did attempt to try and create the origin of God. My guess is most of Bible stories were gotten and modified from more older religion but the writer were not satisfied with the formal explanation of the origin of the creator hence they did not even try. I bet they know they will not be satisfied with their own explanation

Other religions tried the origin of God and failed. The bible did not even attempt it. That should tell you God is unsearchable, you can only see His works and not His person.

PAGAN9JA:
Some mistakes cannot be forgiven.

Meaning?

davien:
can you define a "nothing" that causes something?
True...although discovering things aren't the full objective of science....we also have to understand and demonstrate discoveries...even in non-scientific epistemology knowledge can be demonstrated through deductive arguments...
No, it just means they can't be asserted as real without proof nor verified justifications...
How is "god" among the string of unknowns of science,when it can't be demonstrated nor even highlighted as a possible factor involved in anything?

I don't know if i have asked you: who caused the Universe?

davien:
why a who? do people make universes?

There is the evidence that something causes something and nothing causes something. That the Universe exists, something must have caused it and God said he was in the Bible.

Science has not discovered everything and may not discover everything, right?

Does it then mean nothing more exists because science has not discovered them?

If there are things not yet discovered and may not be discovered, God is one of them.

jayriginal:
I dont believe there is one.

Who caused the Universe?

Any muslim who claims he performed miracles is a liar. Muhammad could not perform miracles, how could his follower perform?

[b]Muhammd Could No Perform Miracles[/b]

Of course when challenged by skeptics, Muhammad repeatedly denied being able to perform any miracle. He admitted that although other prophets before him were given the power of performing miracles, his only miracle is Quran.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 92, Number 379
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "There was no prophet among the prophets but was given miracles because of which people had security or had belief, but what I was given was the Divine Inspiration which Allah revealed to me. So I hope that my followers will be more than those of any other prophet on the Day of Resurrection."

There are many verses in Quran that reaffirm this last Hadith, proving that Muhammad never performed any miracle and found it useless. In the following verse Muhammad is acknowledging that other prophets before him came with miracles or clear signs but still people rejected them, highlighting the futility of miracles as the proof of his revelation.

Q. 03: 138
They (also) said: "Allah took our promise not to believe in an messenger unless He showed us a sacrifice consumed by Fire (From heaven)." Say: "There came to you messengers before me, with clear Signs and even with what ye ask for: why then did ye slay them, if ye speak the truth?" if you are truthful?

And he would reply:

Q. 17: 93
Say: "Glory to my Lord! Am I aught but a man,- a messenger?"

People doubted Muhammad because they saw nothing extraordinary or miraculous in him.

Q. 17: 94
And naught prevented mankind from believing when the guidance came unto them save that they said: Hath Allah sent a mortal as (His) messenger?

Q. 25: 7
And they say: "What sort of a messenger is this, who eats food, and walks through the streets? Why has not an angel been sent down to him to give admonition with him?

Q. 25: 8
"Or (Why) has not a treasure been bestowed on him, or why has he (not) a garden for enjoyment?" The wicked say: "Ye follow none other than a man bewitched."

But Muhammad kept telling them that he is just an ordinary man not an angel, meaning people should not expect miracles from him!

Q. 17: 95
Say: Had there been in the earth angels walking about as settlers, We would certainly have sent down to them from the heaven an angel as a messenger.

The common sense dictates that no one would deny and call a man who performs such mighty miracles like splitting the moon, as believed by all the Muslims a mad man or possessed. But the people who knew him actually called him by these names.

Q. 15: 06
They say: "O thou to whom the Message is being revealed! truly thou art mad (or possessed)!.

No one would demand him miracles if he had already performed one

Q. 15: 07
Why do you not bring to us the angels if you are of the truthful ones?

But Muhammad responded

Q. 15: 08
We send not the angels down except for just cause: if they came (to the ungodly), behold! no respite would they have!

The Quraishites kept asking for a sign or a miracle to believe and Muhammad kept saying that he is only a warner.
Q. 13: 07

Blakjewelry:
OK we agree that your God created the said particle now who created your god

My God is not a creature but a Creator.

Ye are my witness, saith the LORD and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me and
understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed neither shall there be after me (Isaiah 43:10).

johnydon22:
the topic of the thread and ur begining posts on this thread speaks a different thing... where u claimed this particle is ur god... why change ur mind now?

You misunderstood my point.

finofaya:
Proof? What you need is to read more about the subject. This is not a matter of context.

The Higgs boson was theorised in 1964 and it wasn't referred to as the God particle until 29 years later, in 1993 in the title of a book by a physicist about the particle. When asked why he referred to it as the God particle, he said that his publisher rejected the other names for being too unimaginative. Higgs himself finds the name God particle embarrassing.

Read the full article here: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson

This is how CERN described the discovery of the particle:

On 4 July 2012, the ATLAS and CMS experiments at CERN's Large Hadron Collider announced they had each observed a new particle in the mass region around 126 GeV. This particle is consistent with the Higgs boson predicted by the Standard Model. The Higgs boson, as proposed within the Standard Model, is the simplest manifestation of the Brout-Englert-Higgs mechanism. Other types of Higgs bosons are predicted by other theories that go beyond the Standard Model.

No "God particle".

When giving the Nobel prize to Higgs, "God particle" was also mentioned at all:

On 8 October 2013 the Nobel prize in physics (link is external) was awarded jointly to François Englert and Peter Higgs "for the theoretical discovery of a mechanism that contributes to our understanding of the origin of mass of subatomic particles, and which recently was confirmed through the discovery of the predicted fundamental particle, by the ATLAS and CMS experiments at CERN's Large Hadron Collider."

http://home.web.cern.ch/topics/higgs-boson

Thanks for your efforts. But what or who is responsible for the existence of that particle, which picture you saw?

johnydon22:
please guys stop educating truthman on higg boson... We don agree.. higgs particle is truthman's god, yeah he just proved to us his god exists so we now believe... oya truthman u don win. . . carry cup...Guy lets stop the argument on this...

No, you are wrong. The particle is not my God but my God created it. The particle you saw was not put there by man, was it?

jayriginal:
Where did I say I have one?

Then, what is your position about God?

Weah96:
But what is his will? You haven't answered that question. Who is overriding the will of this omnipotent person?

I have said earlier that His will is in His words, you have to study to know them.

Overrinding the will of this Omnipotent person: where is His will overridden? No force can override His will in the lives of those under His will (I John 5:18).

jayriginal:
I thought I said we were done? I wasnt even talking to you however . . .



Is the bible a scientific document?
You make a conclusion from unrelated premises. You claim scientific proof for something you admit cannot be tested by experiments and you rely on a document that is unrelated to the so called study. The whole argument is disjointed.


I guess the fact that we have the Olympics today means that Zeus, Jupiter, Apollo, Medusa, Poseidon, and the rest of the Greek Gods existed. What else do you need to believe? Why dont you believe in Allah? There is after all a Mecca, history is there. There are also Olympics, history is there. Why dont you believe in Obatala? Ile Ife is there, history is there.

Your own unbelief doesnt change anything.

There are none so blind as those who will not see. I have no interest in continuing this discussion with you because like I said, I know the way your mind is working. I am content at showing that it is illogical to talk of scientific proof when you have already said the thing is beyond human experiments.

What is your scientific proof that God doesn't exist?

finofaya:
Look, that article was written by one Hayley Dixon, a journalist, of The Telegraph. The words are hers, not any scientist's. I'm telling you that its the media that calls Higgs boson the God particle. I thought you'd bring an article by a physicist where the particle is also referred to as "God particle", instead you are busy showing me an article by a journalist.

Are you saying the journalist quoted the scientists out of context? Prove.

finofaya:
Lol. Provide the link to the article na.

Haha haha! So you did see the link in the OP? No wonder you have been saying what you are saying.