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@ Rilwaye001

Characteristic of you, you always run away under flimsy excuses when you are faced with the truth.

Allah, in order to deceive mankind tried to invalidate God's words to establish his own, the quran . The Spirit of the true God always expose his deception.

If he is the God of the bible, why did he allow men to change his word and then introduced another one, meaning he accepted the first defeat and now vowed not to be overcome again? Spiritual deception.

@ Rilwayne001

You didn't answer my question and the one you answered was not explanatory enough:

Were some parts hidden or changed? I have opened my eyes and brain but I could not see either. As a muslim who is defending islam, put up your defence.

Do you mean men's freewill invalidated allah's words and got them changed? Yet he said nothing could change his words.

Why would he surrender to men's defeat by giving another scripture - quran after men had succefully changed the Torah and Injeel?

Your question has been answered: quran says it was Moses who wrote the 5 books.

@Rilwayne001

Which part of Moses Books allah claims had been changed?

Was it that they hid or changed parts, why was allah inconsistent?

Was it not the same allah who said nothing can change his words (Quran 6:115) where was he when men were changing the Book he gave to Moses?

Pls answer the questions one by one.

@Rilwayne001

Which part of Moses Books allah claims had been changed?

Was it that they hide or changed parts, why was allah inconsistent?

Was it not the same allah who said nothing can change his words (Quran 6:115) where was he when men were changing the Book he gave to Moses?

Mintayo:
Great. This is good. If only we christains know the extend at which the Muslims are willing to go. No Muslim will tell u that he or she is voting GEJ out because of the economy or the situation of the country. It is simply because the man is a Christian. Quote me anywhere, any Muslim that says otherwise Is only deceiving you as usual.
And thinking that Nigeria cannot be islamise is a risk on its own.

Correct.

You are dead wrong.

Your quran says it was allah (if God) who gave OT to Moses. ''Say (unto the Jews who speak thus): Who revealed the Book which Moses brought a LIGHT AND GUIDANCE FOR MANKIND, which ye have put on parchments which ye show, BUT YE HIDE MUCH THEREOF......(Quran 6:91).

First, it shows Mose wrote the OT and it was a LIGHT and GUIDANCE for mankind. Although allah says they hide from it, which means the one not hiden is the truth.

So, what is your quarel with the Torah or OT?

Rilwayne001:
I will answer this question when you tell me who wrote the books of OT onrle after the other.

Lets start from the first 10 books of the OT.

I asked questions but instead of answering, you are asking me questions in return. How does that sound? Answer my questions with what you know about OT.

How wrote the Torah your quran talks about?

@Rilwayne001

You are yet to answer my questions: Is the bible God you are accusing the same as allah who is also your God? If not, who is he who just emerged and appeared to Muhammad from nowhere after so many years of human existence?

WinsomeX


This country is a secular state run by a secular constitution. What Christians should fear is a party whose chairman helped implement sharia when he was state governor. And whose presidential candidate has not been able to solve the Boko Haram menace six years since assuming office.

I agree with most of your points but that Nigeria is a 'secular state'. From a reliable source, we learnt that 'sharia' is mentioned 73 times in the constitution. Quran, mosque, islam, muslim etc are also mentioned in a number of times, without a single mention of the bible, church or Christianity. This was the influence of muslims as Head of State at that time. Now as it appears, Christianity is an illegal institution in the country as far as the constitution is concerned. Do you still want to maintain that Nigeria is a secular state?

No one can Christianize or Islamize Nigeria.

I pray no one will Islamize Nigeria, but efforts are on to do so. Geo-political zones into which the country is divided was not done by the government but by a Muslims' Organization for the purpose of islamizing the country. Remember, Nigeria with a population of 40% muslims is a member of OIC. What are the goals of this organization? Your guess is as good as mine.

It is true Buhari did not islamize Nigeria but I am of the opinion that the muslims in the country at that time were not so desirious to islamize, unlike now that they are so conscious of it. Even then, mosque had been in Aso Rock for a number of years. It would have remained so if not for Obasanjo who encouraged the building of a church.

You see, when we look at the economy, we would not want Jonathan there anymore. But if we look at religion, we would not want Buhari there too. It is our duty as born-again Christians to pray and let God direct us who to vote for.

malvisguy212:
testimony seem weird to Muslim because according to Muslim ,miracle does not exist only magic.

Truthman2012. We give God the glory, thank God you are here to shere this testimony for us. May God continue to guide you.

Amen, thank you.

Muslims believe miracles are untrue. Why would I lie to praise Jesus who hates lying.

tartar9:
so you are implying the Holy Prophet(SAW) is suppose to live forever.and he wasnt killed by poison.

Do you know the meaning of 'holy'?

How is Muhammad a holy prophet? What manner of sin did he not commit?

If Muhammad is holy, it means Shekau, boko haram leader is also holy.

@ Ifeann

I'm always happy when I see a knowledgeable versatile woman like you. God will continue to strengten you.

You may agree with me that what Satan does in night may take some days to settle. You can then imagine what he did for one year. Then, it took him 650 years or thereabout to plan to destroy the salvation works of Christ by introducing islam. That I think is the reason muslims are so deceived. They need to be delivered.

I write what I write not only for muslims but for Christians also in order not to be deceived.

Surah 17:59: “And We refrain from sending the Signs, only because the men of former generations treated them as false: We sent the she-camel to the Thamud to open their eyes, but they treated her wrongfully: We only send the Signs by way of terror (and warning from evil).” (Yusuf Ali)

Lies. Why would God stop doing miracles because some people denied them? How did He stop miracles when many are happening live till now?

Surah 7:73: “Indeed there has come to you a clear sign (the miracle of the coming out of a huge she camel from the midst of a rock) from your Lord.” (Hilali-Khan)

Is this a miracle or magic? God does miracles for the benefits of humanity. What can anyone gain or benefit from a she camel coming from a rock? Magic.

When I started pondering on why Allah did not do miracles through Muhammad, I concluded that it was due to his wicked nature. He could kill but could not raise alive. He could wounds but could not heal. I ask, what benefit did allah give to muslims?

I tell the truth and lie not, if not for Jesus, I would have been dead long ago when I ate poison and all medical treatments proved abortive. If I were a muslim, I would have been in hell now. Glory be to my Jesus.

If not for Jesus, I would have lost one of my twin girls from falling from a storey-building but was suspended on the air at the shout of Jesus.

Many more of Jesus miracles I have witnessed. I have caught allah lying on many chapters of the quran.

Ifeann:
He was probably too busy with Aisha and his 10 other wives and numerous sex slaves and forgot to eat his dates.

Honestly sister, anybody that is possessed with the spirit of islam and other occultic spirits are always under sex.ual bondage. It is this unGodly spirit that promised each muslim of 72 virgins in heaven, when Jesus said there is no marriage in heaven. Why would the true God allow His holy Heaven turned to se.xual or.gy?

Ifeann:
Salam alaykum my friend

Truthman2012 has no hatred for you Muslims infact he has love for you hence he has to devote some of his time to exposing the falsehood of Islam to you Muslims before it is too late.

Mohammed was not a prophet and the proof is glaring in the quran and hadiths. Please bring up any issue u have with Christianity and we share ponder on it in turn we shall seek to address why Islam and your false prophet endorses, supports and encourages slavery or child marriage or paedophilia or sex with captives (that your right hand possess) or beheadings or stonings or revenge missions or assassination of his critics or the abrogations of revelations or polygamy(legalised adultery) or temporary marriage (legalised prostitution still practised by the shi'a), domestic violence against women, or inferiority of women or Al Taqiyya (use of deceit) or Inc.est (he slept with his adopted son's ex wife after he divorced her since Mohammed lusted after her), or sex with sex slaves (which he did often), or No adpotion in Islam(there by leaving countless orphans destitute) or his irrational hate of wall garkos (little lizards) or dogs (mans best friend) or the 72 virgins which you will dis.virgin over and over again with your perpetual erections or Mohammed's sharing of war booty or any other vice of your choice in the Qu'ran ..

Thank you my sister. God bless you.

I try to look for ways not to offend the muslims, but I discover that anything that is not a praise to islam is an offence to them.

Abdulsalam20:
mr man i have already answred your question the prophet recommend it its just like a medicine.....just like all this tablets yu are buying nowadays therefore you should know that all medicine might work but destiny will prevail..........and NOTE THE POISO DOESNT AFECT THE PROPHET DURING HIS PROPHETIC PERIOD IT ONLY AFFECT HIM AFTER GARIEL CAME TO HIM AND INFORM HIM THAT ANGEL OF DEATH IS APPROACHING AND ASK IF HE IS READY AND THE PROPHET SAID YES.........this question is asked frm all prophet before angel of death approach them......even during the era of moses.............therefore understand that islam doesnt support any form of magic

ALSO YOU SAID ISLAM MANIPULATE THE STORY

everybody knows that the most honest people on earth are muslims that one is audible to the deaf and visible to the blind becauise islam forbid lies............and that is why islam is the only religion that never tamper his scripture up till date
q:15:9

We have, without doubt, sent down the
Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from
corruption).




JUST AS GOD SAYS IN THE GLORIOUS QURAN WHEN GOD WAS TALKING ABOUT PHARAOH


We brought the tribe of Israel across the sea, and Pharaoh
and his troops pursued them out of tyranny and enmity. Then,
when he was on the point of drowning, he [Pharaoh] said: "I
believe that there is no god but Him in Whom the tribe of
Israel believes. I am one of the Muslims." (Qur'an, 10:90)



THEN GOD SAYS FURTHER

"What, now! When previously you rebelled and were one of the
corrupters? Today we will preserve your body so you can be a
Sign for people who come after you.
Surely many people are
heedless of Our Signs." (Qur'an, 10:91-92)



JUST LIKE PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO ARE HEEDLESS OF THE SIGN

I PRAY GOD SHOW YOU THE WAY

Muhammad recommended Ajwa Dates as a remedy for POISON and MAGIC. Was it not allah who gave him this knowledge as an illiterate man? Why did that knowledge fail him? Please note that it was when he was dying of POISON that the angel of death came to him. Death is a spirit that comes to any dying person, irrespective of the cause of death.

Ho could mulisms be the most honest people on earth when the Quran they are following is full of lies?

Read this to be convinced: https://www.nairaland.com/2069777/killings-bible-not-same-killings

usmanktg2:
I wish all muslims and christians happy maulud
of our beloved PROPHET MUHAMMAD
SALLALLAHU ALAIHI WASALLAM

Go to your exclusive section na! Mulims have ran away from here o.

Resurrection Day belongs to Jesus:

Jesus said unto her, I am the ''Resurrection and the Life'': he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live (John 11:25).

Only those who believe in Jesus, not Muhammad or allah have hope of resurrection. Jesus spoke the words about 650 years before Muhammad was born. So Muhammad or allah was not in a position to alter it.

malvisguy212:
the book were writing against the Christians faith, I google the man, he is full of controversy, some believe he belonged to a cult called freemason.

I thought as much.

@Elkewwty

I don't think I need the books you recommended because they are writings against my faith.

Your other questions have been answered if you have read my posts well here. What sin? The answer is already in the thread.

It is Jehoval God that created Adam and Eve, from whom we are all procreated. It is left to you to believe it or not.

You cannot appreciate the workings of God if you are not in tune with Him. The more you move far from Him as you are, the less you know about Him. We need him more than He needs us and one day we will be judged by Him.

I will not respond to atheists again as the muslims for which the thread is intended could not refute it.

Thanks for your time.

This is very serious. This is my first time on nairaland seeing muslims silenced by the truth. What is next for you guys now? It is a wise decision to come to Jesus who promised us heaven. Why should you prefer hell that allah promised to heaven Jesus promised.

Don't mind the atheists who have nothing, I mean not under any promise. They are like a sheep without a shepered, wandering in the wilderness.

Elkewwty:
Yes, he cannot be demostrated by mankind the way yahweh/allah/jesus were demostrated. he is an enigma.

He universal creative force greater than that demonstrated by mankind, supported by personal observation of laws and designs in nature and the universe, perpetuated and validated by the innate ability of human reason coupled with the rejection of claims made by individuals and organized religions of having received special divine revelation.



The wonderful structure of the universe, and everything we behold in the system of the creation, prove to us, far better than books (koran and bible) can do, the existence of a God,and at the same time proclaim His attributes."



All these cannot be demostrated.



Now kindly do the same by answering my questions on the first page of this thread.

This is wonderful. You look at the wonderful structure of the universe and concluded they must have been made by a God. So, you perceive your God and not know him. No relationship. What a god. No wonder he cannot be demonstrated. An unknown god.

Save me the time to seach for your questions, ask them again.

Elkewwty:
A GOD that cannot be demonstrated by mankind.

Which God is this? A God that cannot be demonstrated by mankind.

How did you know him/her?

Where does he live and when did he create man?

What does he require from man and where did he say so?

I'm very curious to know your God. Pleas answer the questions as itemised.

malvisguy212:
I advice, we have said enough, it is only God that will free there soul.

Century before athiest even came to
existence satan has been using
the same trick he use for eve to deceive
mankind, you guys shuld realy
consider this:
satan not only rejected God by
attempting to supplant Him, but he
urged humans to do likewise. Satan
urged Eve to choose against God
for her own self-fulfilment: in
genesis3:1-5.
He said to the woman, “Did God actually
say, ‘You shall
not eat of any
tree in the garden’?” And the woman said
to the serpent, “We may eat
of the fruit of the trees in the garden, but
God said, ‘You shall not eat of
the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of
the garden, neither shall you touch it,
lest you die.’” But the serpent said to the
woman, “You will
not surely die. For God knows that when
you eat of it your eyes will be
opened, and you will be like God,
knowing good and evil.”
NOW, LET US ANALIZE GENESIS1:3-5.
The tactic is clear: firstly, question God’s
statements, then, contradict
God’s statements and, finally, urge
rebellion in seeking equality with God.
How dos this relate to athiest?
This manifests in atheists as
1. Questioning whether there is a God to
make statements in the first
place, so God did not say anything.
2. Contradicting the statements said to
have been spoken by God.
3. Seeking equality with God by replacing
God with the self. This
satanic deception appeals strongly to
atheists as it bolsters two of
their desired delusions: 1) absolute
autonomy—being free to do as
they please, and 2) the lack of ultimate
accountability—there are no
eternal consequences for doing as they
please. THIS IS EXACLTLY THE
TRICK SATAN USE ON EVE THAT IS WHAT
IS HAPPENING TO ATHIEST.

Correct

malvisguy212:
I advice, we have said enough, it is only God that will free there soul.

Century before athiest even came to
existence satan has been using
the same trick he use for eve to deceive
mankind, you guys shuld realy
consider this:
satan not only rejected God by
attempting to supplant Him, but he
urged humans to do likewise. Satan
urged Eve to choose against God
for her own self-fulfilment: in
genesis3:1-5.
He said to the woman, “Did God actually
say, ‘You shall
not eat of any
tree in the garden’?” And the woman said
to the serpent, “We may eat
of the fruit of the trees in the garden, but
God said, ‘You shall not eat of
the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of
the garden, neither shall you touch it,
lest you die.’” But the serpent said to the
woman, “You will
not surely die. For God knows that when
you eat of it your eyes will be
opened, and you will be like God,
knowing good and evil.”
NOW, LET US ANALIZE GENESIS1:3-5.
The tactic is clear: firstly, question God’s
statements, then, contradict
God’s statements and, finally, urge
rebellion in seeking equality with God.
How dos this relate to athiest?
This manifests in atheists as
1. Questioning whether there is a God to
make statements in the first
place, so God did not say anything.
2. Contradicting the statements said to
have been spoken by God.
3. Seeking equality with God by replacing
God with the self. This
satanic deception appeals strongly to
atheists as it bolsters two of
their desired delusions: 1) absolute
autonomy—being free to do as
they please, and 2) the lack of ultimate
accountability—there are no
eternal consequences for doing as they
please. THIS IS EXACLTLY THE
TRICK SATAN USE ON EVE THAT IS WHAT
IS HAPPENING TO ATHIEST.

Correct.

Elkewwty:
What and what of my comments are from atheist viewpoint?



GOD

How do you know it is God? Which God?

Elkewwty:
A GOD that cannot be demonstrated by mankind.

Everything you stated and the references made are from atheists' view point.

You are yet to answer my question: who created you?

johnydon22:
hahahahahahahahahahaha am in trouble o... christians self... you have forgotten that this ur satan is another thiest myth, does not exist... lmao... dis guy wan use laf wound me

You did not answer my question.

johnydon22:
Her mother gave birth to her...simple!!!

Spiriual ignorance. How did the first man come to be and the first woman? Evolution?

Atheists and muslims have a meeting point, they are under the same Deity. Satan would do any to blindfold atheists to see God. The same Satan who blindfold muslims to see the true God.

Elkewwty:
This is the most stupid comment i've ever read, so because your god allegedly create dem den they should be offered as sacrifive back to him? What evidence sir do you have to prove that dis schizophrenic god created them? pathetic, very pathetic.

so why are you crying foul because islamist are killing wat there god allegedly created too?

Silly to you because of the type of spirit in you. We can't reason the same way. God's way is not man's way and you don't have His Spirit.

Muslims kill for the same god of the heathen, who pretended to be the true God.

Who created you?