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Rilwayne001:
bros, no mind moses aka malvisguy.

truthman is a notorious liar , he will soon tell you that his daughter got hanged by Jesus in the air


Truth is, sometimes we must allow fo0lish people assume we are fo0lish, but not always, lest they began to assume they are wise.
It is obvious that both moses and truthman knows nothing. Well, thats their own cup of tea.

My friend my daughter's testimony is a lie to you because Muhammad could not do miracles, so every miracle is a lie. Smh!

Now that I have proved to you that Paran is in Israel where Moses addressed his people(Deut 1:1). Abraham lived and died in Israel (Gen. 25:8-10), Ishmael lived and died in Israel (Gen. 25:17-18), they never stepped in Mecca, Muslims claim of them establishing islam in Mecca is false. Islam has nothing to do with Abraham and Ishmael.

macof:
Can was do away with the word "idol"?
You don't impose idol on people...or u lack the knowledge of what an idol is?

Whether the Arab pagans knew of Mohammed's devotion to Allah or not is nt the point, Mohammed sought to destroy paganism that's the bottomline, and you can't have anyone destroy ur legacy
You fight one God of a people's pantheon, you fight the entire Pantheon

Is not the same muslims who are trying to destroy your belief you are quequeing behind now? That proves right that you both are under the same deity.

DieeDiee:
What is your point? What is it that you are trying so hard to trick me into saying? An atom is not a thing it is a particle of matter. An atom is invisible and unlike things (that is, matter) it cannot be created, it just is.

Thoughts cause dreams. Thoughts are not things. A thing is matter that is tangible!

Am not trying to 'trick' you into saying anything, it just shows that as we go, you will soon be saying what am saying.

You said an atom is invisible, yet you believe it exists. It means invisibility of God should not be your problem. You are coming near to believing that God exists becaus is also invisible.

Dream is a function of thought and your thought takes you to a place outside your body? What gives your thought life when you are aslept? Don't people dream of what they did not think of?

frank317:
I have always said it that most Christians don't know their bible. All they know is wht their pastor said.
Just look at how a Muslim is embarrassing u and schooling u in what u should know.
All you to is open thread to spew rubbish.
U should be ashamed of urself and humbly close this thread.

I'm not surprised at your remark. It goes further to show that the same Devil lives inside you both.

He has been schooling you alone with falsehood. You are one of those who may be intelligent but reason senselessly and supporting islam that will cut off his head. Smh!

DieeDiee:
An atom IS something from atoms we get molecules from molecules we get matter from matter we get things

Everything you mentioned here are SOMETHING, which cannot emerge from NOTHING. What caused the something?

Do you dream? What is the cause?

timonski:
The God that created Yahweh. The biblical god is too limited in power

Which God created Yahweh?

What's your source?

timonski:
definitely not the christian god

Which god then?

DieeDiee:
Okay let me break it down to you in the simplest way I can. Basically what the big bang suggests is that life and the universe created itself organically i.e. the universe created the universe also known as evolution. Think of cells, bacteria and viruses that mutate it's the same principle.

Lo! Life and universe cannot create themselves as nothing can create something. It was because they could not see God they erroneously concluded they created themselves.

Viruses and bactaria are living things and of different kinds. The lives in them have to be formed first before mutation. What caused the lives in them?

GeneralShepherd:
I do not know. It's different from saying God did it.

Until we know who or what caused the universe, I am okay being an atheist.

How can you say you do not know when a source says it was God?

What alternative source do you have that says it was not God?

DieeDiee:
Because God doesn't exist. As you christians keep saying: nothing cannot create something therefore if nothing created God then God cannot be something.

Science has not known the cause of God because He is first cause. Besides, He is invisible to scientists.

DieeDiee:
Molecules caused the small singularity.

The Advanced Learners' Dictionary defines 'molecule' as smallest unit (one or more atoms) into which a substance can be divided.

Therefore a molecule is 'SOMETHING' and not NOTHING. My question remains, what caused the 'Molecule' as nothing can cause something?

DieeDiee:
And I told you the big bang theory offers a more sound and valid theory than this God not a single soul in the billions of years the world has been in existence has never seen. This God who only let Himself be known by a select population for thousands or maybe millions of years leaving the rest of the world in the dark. If He is real why did he for centuries allow the rest of the world to be heathen. If he could send the Israelis Jesus, Moses, Isaiah etc. then why couldn't he do the same for the Chinese, Indians, Koreans, Africans etc.

The big bang theory says the universe started as a small singularity and then expand. What caused the 'the small singularity' as nothing can cause something?

I would not go into other issues you raised as it will derail the thread.

GeneralShepherd:
I am igbo and according to Igbo mythology. Amadioha created the universe and then the earth. He then created the first man named Nri.

When he was created Amadioha left him a tuber of yam and kolanut. This is why the Igbos break kola before any ceremony and perform 'iri ji' every year

False!!!

Igbo mythology is demonic deception.
When did Igboland come to existence? How did Amadioha create the Israelites, Egyptians who existed long before the Igbos? No doubt, the first man was not Ibo.

DieeDiee:
I never said that either. What I said is there is no proof of God's existence and the faith and the bible are not proof

What caused the Universe as NOTHING can cause SOMETHING (if not God)?

I will keep repeating this question, which am sure no atheist can answer.

GeneralShepherd:
If it was God who created it/him/her /they? (whatever your God is)

What does your statement mean?

What caused the Earth?

Ifeann:
the anti christ is a term used to warn us christains of people like Mohammed, Joseph Smith etc


1John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.


1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also]

Jesus is the Son of God, or denies that Jesus Christ IS come in the flesh, or denies that Jesus is the Christ (anointed one). Every person that denies the Son, does not have the Father and is antichrist, and also is an antichrist.

However, the single most egregious - and only unforgivable sin - in Muhammad's religion is committed, if a Muslim were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God. A sin worse than child rape or cold-blooded murder. Isnt thatt taught as shirk in Islam my friend.


Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!


Surah 9.30The Jews call 'Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the Son of God. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. God's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! Surah 9.30"

Need I say more. Islam is an anti christ.

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With all the condemnations of Christians' faith, allah still said they are going to heaven (Quran 2:62). Inconsistencies by allah. Smh!

basilico:
All Islamic early writings acknowledge that prophet Muhammad had at least 11 wives at one point besides s,,ex slaves or rather harem. Why did Allah command the ummah to marry a maximum of four wives while the prophet was allowed more?
I know apologists will say that the extra wives were taken in to create unity and so on...But the prophet killed men and married their wives. Safiyyah for instance..she was Kinana wife whom the prophet ordered beheaded and married his wife.
Why Allah revealed that the prophet should have more wives than the ummah?

The same allah commanded Muhammad to snatch the wife of his adopted son, Zaid. Allah is fond of creating and encouraging immorality.

DieeDiee:
You haven't answered me. If God is part of the universe and the universe has a cause then what caused God?

My post you quoted is not a response to yours. It is a general one.

The answer to your question is in the OP.

DieeDiee:
Simple question:

If God exists and is everywhere then why did he only "reveal" himself to only a small, select selection of the population. Why did for examples Africans, Chinese, Aboriginals etc not know about him? Why did he not send messengers to them? Why did he wait until the white people went into the world to steal other people's land "to spread the knowledge" about him? If he created all then why did he have special people (the Jews) what of his other "creations"? Don't they matter?

Put your questions to Him. His actions are unquestionable by ordinary mortals, whose eyes cannot see beyond the physical.

Little scientists say there is no God. Many if not all have had dreams at one time or the other. Their SPIRIT moves and they find themselves far from where they really are. In dream they don't even know they are dreaming, they think it is their whole life, until they wake up.

If there is SPIRIT, yet they could not see it as they cannot see God the Father of all spirits, which makes them to deny His existence.

They sleep, dream and wake up again when the spirit returns to the body. Man becames dead when the spirit leaves and does not return.

The Devil can make intelligent people do sensless things.

malvisguy212:
so the quran never give the complete information about ishmael and his mother? It is the corrupt bible that educate you. Ok thanks for your insult.

Don't mind him bro., he is a hypocrite. He once said he did not believe any bible verses that are not in the quran. Now he believe what the bible says about Ishmael, which is not in scanty quran. Quran is not detailed enough to know where the forefather of Muhammad came from. Smh!

DieeDiee:
@ bolded: Errr... So does the bible. You do you that a mass is singular don't you? Doesn't the bible say earth was once a mass and God separated day and night, collected the water etc.? So therefore what is your point?

My point is: what caused the 'singularity before it started expanding?'

DieeDiee:
@ bolded: Errr... So does the bible. You do you that a mass is singular don't you? Doesn't the bible say earth was once a mass and God separated day and night, collected the water etc.? So therefore what is your point?

My point is: what caused the 'singularity'

@Rilwayne

I cannot understand how you reason and therefore may not be able to continue with you. I said am on phone, yet you said I don't know how to quote as if you have not seen me quoted many times, probably b4 you joined nairaland.

God's promise to Ishmael was not because of Hagar, but Abraham.

Paran was in Israel where Moses addressed the Israelites (Deut 1:1).

Since Paran is not Mecca, it might be that Hagar and Ishmael worshiped the God of Abraham in Paran, when islam was not yet existing. The truth is Abraham and Ishmael were never in Mecca to establish islam. Mecca was an extension of Yemen at that time.

davien:
Wrong!

What is wrong?

Prove that the earth evolves from nothing as nothing produces nothing.

You will have a hard time to convince anybody that something can come out of nothing.

DieeDiee:
Yes, sorry the universe then after the bang the galaxy and planets were created. Earth evolved and fertilized over time.

From your order of creations: Universe first, then bang, galaxy and planet, right? Serious error. Everything created is known as the Universe.

''Earth evolves and fertilized over time''. Did the earth evolve from nothing as nothing produces nothing? It must have evolved from SOMETHING and that something is God. Or tell me what the something was.

You will have a hard time proving something evolved from nothing.

davien:
universe not earth...that aside truthman2012 fails to get this anytime he is told..

Universe is defined as ''the whole creation and the Creator'', meaning it includes the earth.

The Big Bang Theory from the link says the Universe started from 'small singularity' and expanded. Whatever the singularity means, SOMETHING must have CAUSED it. What is the something if not God?

@ Rilwayne

Since you seem to now believe the bible, let me answer your question as briefly as possible because I'm on phone.

Even if Ishmael was 14 or 17 years old when he was cast out, his Egyptian mother and wife, who came from the background of idol worship, were capable of influencing him.

Besides, Ishmael never lived in Mecca, he died somewhere around Paran since you now believe the bible (Gen. 25:17-18). May be his grandchildren did. He could not have established islam in Mecca.

GeneralShepherd:
You fail to see the problem with your logic.

Lo! still dodging the question.

Do atheists have conscience? I doubt it. Otherwise since there is no evidence that there is another being or thing that caused the the Universe, there is no reason to doubt it was God.

Anyone who has no God has no true wisdom or understanding.

Rilwayne001:
Is this how you want me and you to be discussing? you don't answer my question but you always want me to answer yours?.
Please don't talk nonsense if i begin to ignore your questions too.



Maybe the bible lied when it says: Genesis (17:20): ”As for Ishmael, I am heeding you: [size=15pt] I hereby bless him [/size] I will make him fertile and will multiply him exceedingly . He shall become the father of twelve chieftains, AND I will make of him a GREAT NATION .”



You don't read your bible do you? do i av to school you on your bible everyday? Genesis 25:9 And his [size=15pt] sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah [/size] , in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which is before Mamre;.

NOW PLEASE KINDLY REFERR BACK TO MY QUESTION.

I will answer your questions only if you confess you believe those verses of the bible because you once said you believe only bible verses repeated in the quran.

Rilwayne001:
Don't worry, i'll school you after truthman reply me.



Truthman2012 do you agree with this ignoramus?

Are you also asking me the above question?

Malvisguy is never an ignoramus! Address the issue please.

@DieeDiee

Your lengthy post does not answer my question, which all atheists have been dodging.

Nothing can produce something, right? Therefore something must have produced the Universe, which the bible says is God.

If you don't believe it was God, what was it?