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macof:
have u ever done research on ur religion?
U like to dig into Islam but have u done same for ur religion?

why not read about Kenite and Yahweh in mediaeval canaanland

Why do I have to do research on what I know very well? Kenite and others like him might be anti-God, sent by satan. I have seen and experienced the true God in Christianity.

Rilwayne001:
Ishmael was 17 when he was driven out from Abraham family and I dont think a 17years old would not know and practise what his father worshipped.

Furthermore, how come it was both Isaac and Ishmael that buried Abraham? Also God bless his nation exeedingly, can God bless the nation of those who are not devoted to him?

Don't evade my questions.

I will answer your questions but before then, I want to ask you, where did you read that God blessed the nation of Ishmael as you don't believe the bible? Again, where did you read that Ishmael joined Isaac to bury Abraham?

davien:
You are disagreeing with the op here or have you accepted that a "nothing" as commonly understood cannot be pinned down?

What caused the Universe as nothing can cause something? Simple!

davien:
and the op says nothing produces nothing,so we're back to square one....
If nothing as you said produces nothing....how can a something affect or cause it to produce something from nothing and where did the something come from?

Since nothing can produce something, it means something must have produced the Universe, what was it that produced the Universe? The bible says it was God. If not God, what was it?

Rilwayne001:
Lol..Which God did Ishmael the father of Arabs worshipped?

Ishmael was driven out from Abraham's family at a tender age, who might not know is father's religion well. His mother was an Egytian, who married him also to an Egytian girl. Egyptians were known to be idolaters, and they must have influenced him as a small boy.

davien:
lol,before I answer your question...where did you get the bolded from?

I got it from the OP.

Now answer my question.

davien:
I said it would be close to a vacuum....you disagree...so tell us the "nothing" you are talking about...
bottom line was that I was just trying to make you realise that a "nothing" as commonly understood does not exist,hence you can't deduce anything from it...

Nothing existed in the Universe before something caused it to exist. What is the something?

macof:
You do realize, Mohammed fought the pagan worshipers of Allah
He sought to destroy paganism

What Muhammad did was imposed his fathers idol (which they named allah) on all pagans. The people knew allah that was worshiped in Muhammad's family before islam, hence nobody questioned him who allah was.

davien:
Your post is still there for all to see

Now that you realize you can't point to a classical definition of "nothing" you are tap dancing and accusing me of changing your posts,lol...

My accusation is just an observation.

Give us your own classical definition of 'nothing'.

Weah96:
Are you serious? Yoruba people have their own deities that created different things. Google, Yoruba spirituality.

Quote them with proof of the truth of their claims.

undercat:
This is the wiki definition of cause and effect, or causality:

Causality (also referred to as causation[1]) is the relation between an event (the cause) and a second event (the effect), where the second event is understood as a physical consequence of the first.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality

Causality is simply something we observe. Science uses it but that does not make it science. For your own part you should google the first cause argument and see how old it is, or whether it is not considered philosophy/theology

The fact that science uses it makes it a part of science.

[quote author=ooman2 post=29600804]Material effects require material causes.

So a god, which is not material, cannot influence material medium.[/q

Then what caused the Universe as nothing produces nothing?

ooman2:
The same argument proves all other gods, not just Yahweh. It also proves the Invisible Pink Unicorn.

I'm convinced you are arguing for argument sake. You have agreed that cause and effect is science and now jump to another thing.

Quote a book where other gods claim to be the creator of the Universe.

undercat:
This is not science. OP what you have is merely the first cause argument. When did it become scientific proof?

To you 'cause and effect' is not science? What is it then? Search google: is cause and effect a science?

davien:
lol....you are actually arguing against this? okay einstein....can you provide an examinable "nothing"?

The same Advanced Learners' Dictionary defines 'nothing' as ''not anything'' That is, no space no container.

Don't edit a post when making comment, it is fraudulent.

macof:
Lol see mumu...of course most reverts are ex-Christians nd as such they tend to attack christianity more because they have the knowledge of it...you think we are like u who dives into what he knows nothing about?

Like u attack pagans when u know absolutely nothing about paganism

Like all atheists, you are notorious for abuses and insults. Is there no moral in what you believe? Address the issue and not the person.

@ davien

Your knowledge of science is shallow.

'Vacuum' is not and not close to 'nothing'.

Advanced Learners' Dictionary defines vacuum as space in container from which the air has been pumped out. Space or container are something, not nothing.

davien:
truthman2012
You've said nothing comes from nothing then how come "god" is a something that comes from nothing....don't those points contradict?

There should be no question about ''nothing produces nothing''. Something must have produced the Universe, which is believed to be God because the bible says so.

Scientists as humans have not been able to discover what caused God, but the truth is they discovered something cause the Universe as nothing produce nothing.

macof:
Every religion has it's origins in Paganism

How?

GeneralShepherd:
So what caused God?

The answer to your question is in the OP.

Cause and Effect—Scientific Proof that God Exists
by Kyle Butt, M.A.

The Universe exists and is real. Every rational person must admit this point. If it did not exist, we would not be here to talk about it. So the question arises, “How did the Universe get here?” Did it create itself? If it did not create itself, it must have had a cause.

Let’s look at the law of cause and effect. As far as science knows, natural laws have no exceptions. This is definitely true of the law of cause and effect, which is the most universal and most certain of all laws. Simply put, the law of cause and effect states that every material effect must have an adequate cause that existed before the effect.
Material effects without adequate causes do not exist. Also, causes never occur after the effect. In addition, the effect never is greater than the cause. That is why scientists say that every material effect must have an adequate cause. The river did not turn muddy because the frog jumped in; the book did not fall off the table because the fly landed on it. These are not adequate causes. For whatever effects we see, we must present adequate causes.

Five-year-olds are wonderful at using the law of cause and effect. We can picture a small child asking: “Mommy, where do peaches come from?” His mother says that they come from peach trees. Then the child asks where the trees come from, and his mother explains that they come from peaches. You can see the cycle. Eventually the child wants to know how the first peach tree got here. He can see very well that it must have had a cause, and he wants to know what that cause was.

One thing is for sure: the Universe did not create itself! We know this for a scientific fact, because matter cannot create matter. If we take a rock that weighs 1 pound and do 50,000 experiments on it, we never will be able to produce more than 1 pound of rock. So, whatever caused the Universe could not have been material.

FROM NOTHING COMES NOTHING

I know that it is insulting to your intelligence to have to include this paragraph, but some people today are saying that the Universe evolved from nothing. However, if there ever had been a time when absolutely nothing existed, then there would be nothing now, because it always is true that nothing produces nothing. If something exists now, then something always has existed.

THE BIBLE SPEAKS ABOUT THE CAUSE

The Bible certainly is not silent about what caused the Universe. In the very first verse of the first chapter of the first book it says: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth.” Acts 17:24 records: “God, who made the world and everything in it…He is Lord of heaven and earth.” Exodus 20:11 notes: “For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them.”

God is undoubtedly an adequate cause, since He is all-powerful. In Genesis 17:1, God told Abraham “I am Almighty God.”
He came before this material world, fulfilling the criteria that the cause must come before the effect. The psalmist wrote: “Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You had formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God” (Psalm 90:2).
And He definitely would instill within mankind the concept of morality, since He is a God of morals. Titus 1:2 says that He cannot lie.

Only God fits the criteria of an adequate cause that came before the Universe.

WHY DOES GOD NOT HAVE A CAUSE?

Hold on just a minute! If we contend that every material effect must have a cause, and we say that only God could have caused the Universe, then the obvious question is: “What caused God?” Doesn’t the law of cause and effect apply to God, too?

There is a single word in the law of cause and effect that helps provide the answer to this question—the word material. Every material effect must have a cause that existed before it. Scientists formulated the law of cause and effect based upon what they have observed while studying this Universe, which is made out of matter. No science experiment in the world can be performed on God, because He is an eternal spirit, not matter (John 4:24). Science is far from learning everything about this material world, and it is even farther from understanding the eternal nature of God. There had to be a First Cause, and God was (and is) the only One suitable for the job.

CONCLUSION

The law of cause and effect is a well-established law that does not have any known exceptions. It was not conjured up from the creationists’ magic hat to prove the existence of God (although it does that quite well). The evidence is sufficient to show that this material Universe needs a non-material cause. That non-material Cause is God. If natural forces created the Universe, randomly selecting themselves, then morality in humans never could be explained. Why is this Universe here? Because “in the beginning, God….”

sufido123:
Religion is the opium of the masses. The masses are the poor ones I might add. It is only an unreasonable God that would allow the insane and despicable killings in France today. Those who kill for God are not human beings and should be spat on.

As for me, I chose not to base my salvation on prophesies based on imperfect knowledge. The medieval goat herders that wrote the so-called "holly" books were menaces and their followers today are no better.

Religion has become a menace to this world and I can't wait to see the death of of all religions. It is already beginning to happen albeit it slowly. My condolences to France. Hopefully, they will catch these goons that did the terrorist act today,

Are you ready to convert to islam? If not, be ready for your head chopped off by muslims if caught. They don't care whether or not you believe in religion.

UrbanMystique:
it's a lie because it is not a Muslim kid that died and see yaweh in imaginary heaven abi?

Can't you see my quran quote above? If he had been to Allah's fake heaven, he should have seen the muslims' Jesus near allah.

Rilwayne001:
Again you evaded my question...truthman2012 evading poignant questions since BC



Okay mr man how many are they?

Attach your prove please.



Are you also saying that the site was edited like moses have said? did you click on them to verify if actually they exist?

I'm not covering anything....just answer my question biko

You are the one concerned with sects, why do I have to provide you a list.

You are fond of using diversionary methods when you can not defend the main issue. Smh!

When you are confronted with quranic problems, you jump to the bible like the quran cannot exist on its own. Smh!!

False religion islam is: Since u have seen that Yahweh is not allah, from where did he (allah) emerge suddenly?

Rilwayne001:
LOL

So you expect them to list all the 40000 sects? bros answer my question abeggg.

The below are just thousands among the popular ones ls in the world please make sure you go through them http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_by_number_of_members

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations

Note: No nigerian churches were listed among them, that is to show that they approximate it to 41000 sects (possibly it might be above).

So now please kindly answer my question: Which diety is responsible for the splitting of xtianity to over 40000 sects?

How can that be, 40,000? They are haters of Christianity.

I notice you are silent on the deadly sects in islam, what are you covering?

malvisguy212:
you quote the scripture, but it was the same allah that say you should fight thoes that has been giving the scripture;
Fight against such of those who have
been given the Scripture as believe not
in Allah....(Quran 9:29)

So Allah is telling Muslims to fight Him?

Muslims like to deceive themselves.

If allah is the same as Yahweh, why was Muhammad to fight Yahweh's worshipers.

Rilwayne001:
How many time do you want me to paste it?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations

Do you want another source^^

Now please answer my question.: Which diety is responsible for the splitting of xtianity to over 40000 sects?

The source itself does not list the 41,000 sects. That someone wrote something he could not prove does not mean is the truth.

@Nobleval

No doubt, Yahweh is the God of the Jews and Christians.

Allah was worshiped in Muhammad's family as pagans. I'm sure you know that Mutaleb, Muhammad's grandpa and AbduAllah (Abdulai), Muhammad's father were all idol worshipers. The name of their idol was Allah, because they believe he was the true God. Allah is an arabic word meaning God and Arabic Christians use it too.

There is an evidence that Muhammad was already worshiping allah (idol) before islam.

Rilwayne001:
Indeed they are loads of balderdash....indeed.

this truthman guy has been running up and down displaying his Low IQ.

He said on another thread out of ignorance that the satan that is alleged be deceiving muslims is also responsible for the emergence of catholic church... the dude has forgetten that without the catholic they woudnt have access to the bible they are using today for it wss the catholic that compile it for them.

The dude further display his ignorance below:


Now truthman2012.

Which diety is responsible for the splitting of xtianity to over 40000 sects?

Simple and straight answer please

First, I have challenged you to paste the 40000 sects but because it is false you could not. Not until then your question remains closed.

Note islam has many dangerous sects, killing one another I can paste for you.

Nobleval:
which part of the quaran said that?

Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah....(Quran 9:29)

Those who have been given the Scripture are the Jews and Christians, abi? Now Allah says the Jews and Christians who believed in Yahweh
did not believe in Allah. I think you can see they are not the same.

Allah further told Muhammad to say: O disbelievers (Kafri,):

I worship not that which ye worship

Nor worship ye that which I worship

Unto you your religion and to me my religion (Quran 109:1, 3, 6).

What Muhammad worship is not the Yahweh of the Jews and Christians.

Nobleval:
I'd like to remind you that Allah is God,just like Jehovah,Yahweh,Oluwa,Chukwu, e.t.c


Your thread is not worth commenting on,because that's a load of jargons you wrote up there.

Why did you comment if it is not worth it, contradicting yourself?

Allah is not Yahweh even according to the quran. You need to seek knowledge before you speak.

I thought there are many atheists in the house, why the unusual silence?

No defence?

I know you would have bombarded the thread with many insulting statements.