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joezakdeen: What kind of book is the Injil?
The Quran makes the following
statements about the Injil:
And in their footsteps, We
sent 'Iesa (Jesus), son of
Maryam (Mary) confirming
the Taurat (Torah) that had
come before him, and We
gave him the Injeel
(Gospel), in which was
guidance and light and
confirmation of the Taurat
(Torah) that had come
before it, a guidance and an
admonition for Al-Muttaqun
(the pious - see V.2:2). S.
5:46 Al-Hilali & Khan; cf. S.
57:27
He [Jesus] said, "Lo, I am
God's servant; God has
given me the Book, and
made me a Prophet." S.
19:30 Arberry
It is He Who has sent down
the Book (the Qur'an) to you
(Muhammad SAW) with
truth, confirming what
came before it. And he sent
down the Taurat (Torah)
and the Injeel (Gospel). S.
3:3 Al-Hilali & Khan
Sura 5:46 states that the Injil
was given to Jesus by Allah. Sura
19:30 and 3:3 then clarify that
the Injil is a book just as the
Qur'an and the Torah are books
that were sent down by Allah.
The Qur'an also contains a
second set of statements
regarding the Injil:
Let the people of the Injeel
(Gospel) judge by what Allah
has revealed therein. ... S.
5:47 Al-Hilali & Khan
Say: "People of the Book,
you do not stand on
anything, until you perform
the Torah and the Gospel
[Injil], and what was sent
down to you from your
Lord." ... S. 5:68 Arberry
Those who follow the
messenger, the Prophet
who can neither read nor
write, whom they will find
described in the Torah and
the Gospel [Injil] (which
are) with them. S. 7:157
Pickthall
[Say (O Muhammad SAW)]
"Shall I seek a judge other
than Allah while it is He Who
has sent down unto you the
Book (The Qur'an),
explained in detail." Those
unto whom We gave the
Scripture [the Taurat (Torah)
and the Injeel (Gospel)]
know that it is revealed
from your Lord in truth. So
be not you of those who
doubt. S. 6:114 Al-Hilali &
Khan
These verses make clear that the
Injil is the book of the Christians,
the book that is with them and
which they believe in. The
author of the Qur'an even
admonishes the Christians to
fully obey (the Torah and) the
Injil that they have.
The Contradiction
However, here is the problem:
when we look at the New
Testament, the book which is
the Scripture of the Christians,
we see that it nowhere makes
the claim that it is a book that
was "given to Jesus". On the
contrary, the New Testament
consists of several books that
were written by followers of
Jesus (under the inspiration of
the Holy Spirit) AFTER the
ascension of Jesus.
Therefore, the Injil can EITHER be
a book given to Jesus, OR it can
be the book that the Christians
hold as they Holy Scriptures, but
it cannot be both. Muhammad
apparently assumed that the
Scripture of the Christians (and
Jews) would be very similar to
the Qur'an, the book which he
thought he received from Allah.
However, Muhammad was
clearly ignorant of the matter.
The essential nature of the
Qur'an and the Bible are very
different. A book "given to
Jesus" in a similar way as
Muhammad claims to have
received the Qur'an does not
exist and Christians have never
claimed that such a book existed
at any time. This claim of S. 5:46
is merely a wrong idea that
sprang from the mind of
Muhammad.
Had the author of the Qur'an
made only statements like those
found in S. 5:46 and 19:30, it
might have been an option for
Muslims to claim that the Injil of
Jesus was simply lost. Jesus
indeed received such a book
but, somehow, it disappeared.
Muslims could have said that the
NT clearly is something very
different from the Injil as
defined by the Qur'an, and could
have concluded that therefore
they do not believe in the
Christian New Testament since
the Qur'an does not endorse it.
However, the second set of
statements above prevents this
explanation. The Qur'an
identifies the Injil as the
Scripture of the Christians. Thus,
since the Injil is the book of the
Christians, the Qur'an makes a
blatantly wrong claim about the
basic nature of the Injil. It
neither is nor ever was a book
given to Jesus.
The Source?
How could this error arise in the
mind of Muhammad? He may
have heard statements like in
the first verse of the Gospel
according to Mark:
The beginning of the gospel
of Jesus Christ, ...
and mistakenly thought that this
meant the same as "the Torah of
Moses" i.e. a revelation given to a
prophet in form of a book.
However, reading the context
shows that it means "this is the
beginning of the Gospel ABOUT
Jesus Christ"; the Gospel is the
message telling us about the life
and teaching of Jesus, written
up by his followers, not a book
given to Jesus himself.
Muhammad projected his own
experience of receiving
revelation of a book (the Qur'an)
on Jesus and simply assumed
that the book OF Jesus that was
held sacred by his followers
must also have been a book
given TO Jesus (like the sacred
book of the Muslims is the book
given TO Muhammad). However,
Muhammad was wrong about
this, and this mistake exposes
the Qur'an as a forgery. The
Qur'an is not divine revelation
but a collection of mistaken
assumptions by its author.
But the Bible is corrupted!
In most cases when the Qur'an
contradicts the Bible, Muslims
shout, "but the Bible is
corrupted", as if that is the
answer and solution to every
such problem.
There are at least two reasons
why this response will not solve
the problem.
First, the Qur'an never claims
that the Injil is corrupted. There
are certain accusations against
the Jews, but no charge that the
Christians corrupted their
Scripture. The section, What the
Qur'an says about the Bible,
investigates this matter closely
and shows that the Qur'an does
not support the Muslim claim of
Bible corruption.
Second, even if there had been
some corruption of certain
passages, small changes
resulting in certain shifts of
meaning, this cannot possibly
explain the above contradiction
in the Qur'an. Here we have a
fundamental difference in the
nature of the book which
cannot be accounted for either
with gradual changes or with a
sudden change.
For illustration: The Qur'an is
(allegedly) a book that was "sent
down" from Allah to Muhammad.
It was (supposedly) not written
by Muhammad but given to him
by Allah. On the other hand, the
Hadith are memories of the
companions and followers of
Muhammad, formulated and
written up by Muslims long after
the death of Muhammad. They
are their recollection of what
Muhammad said and did.
Would it be possible for anyone
to change the Qur'an (the book
given to Muhammad) into a
collection of hadiths without the
Muslim community realizing that
their scripture had changed into
something entirely different?
Without doubt, the Muslim
answer will be a resounding NO.
But if that is impossible for the
Muslim book and community,
why would any Muslim think
that this would have been
possible in the Christian
community? Originally, the
Christians had a "book given to
Jesus" but one day they woke up
and their scripture had turned
into a collection of writings by
followers of Jesus and nobody
realized the change, and nobody
protested against it? Believing
such a theory demands a lot of
blind faith in the Qur'an. It is
impossible. Anyone with the
least bit of common sense will
have to conclude that this
cannot possibly have happened,
and this implies that the author
of the Qur'an simply made an
error regarding the nature of
the Christian Scripture.

tijjanioyan: there is no way a blind could be shown d colors in rainbow dat is wia u belong.ALLAH (SWT) repeatedly says in quran54 dat He has made d quran very easy 4us 2memorize dat is why u could find muslim children &adults memorize d holy quran. In order not 2be deceivd dat there is one yeye spirit dat is interpreting 2us as u ppl are subjects of deceit,HE now challenge us 2 go out & seek knowledge there are many branches of knowledge in islam which Tafsir el quran (interpretation of d holy quran) is one.

tijjanioyan: tanx bro,pls help ask d ogbeni quran reviewer dat hav scientists invented a device dat can reveal d sex of an egg?lets use a fowl egg as case study:if what is In d egg is...a hen,rooster,white or black,red or other mixed colours.some pple think quran is just like other books which they can read tru d translation &start makin senseles comments.besides it takes yrs of hard work 2study d (tafsir)interpretation of d holy quran.

Skako: u hav not answer my questions

hav u seen any Muslim that married dog?
NO
but in xtianity they are lot

pls who brought xtianity?
is he Jesus?if he's Jesus pls the name of the church he built
support it with biblical verses


and did Jesus sing or dance or collect tithe or plane and so on

Skako: do u think u can understand quran as ur incomplete story book that u call buy bull
in Islam u cann't do anything without proof but in xtian no proof
u can quote me wrong with these

(1) tell me step to follow if i want to marry

(2)how to do naming ceremony

(3)funeral

(4)how female can become bishop

(5)and where and when did Jesus say worship or i brought Christian religion for u

pls support it with biblical verses

guy u are arguing on what u don't know but if u want know more about it i will make a thread on it

Skako: guy u are just displaying ur ignorance what u are saying is bigot
ALLAH says in Glorious quran
4:29
O you who have believed, do not consume one another's wealth unjustly but only [in lawful] business by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves [or one another]. Indeed, Allah is to you ever Merciful.
Do u want to tell me that this verse is not meant for them
guy don't make any thread again bcs u know nothing about Islam
and u are just disgracing ur self
moreover am convert Muslim from xtian i swear to Almighty ALLAH

from ur what so call buy bull u can use a single verse to deceive if u want my past in xtianity and present in Islam i will tell u even my address to talk if my ALLAH will save u also
that is y behind my post u will see
this sentence there

Alhamdulilha that am a Muslim

by ALLAH grace i will live as Muslim and die as Muslim

malvisguy212: Early Muslim tradition records the fact
that when Muhammad was about to
receive a revelation from Allah, he would
often fall down on the ground, his body
would jerk, his eyes would roll backward,
and he would perspire profusely. (3) The scriptures define such an experience
with a boy who was demon possessed: (Mark 9:18-20 KJV) And wheresoever he (the demon) taketh
him, he teareth him: and he
foameth, and gnasheth with his
teeth, and pineth away: and I spake
to thy disciples that they should cast
him (the demon) out; and they could not. He answereth him, and saith, O
faithless generation, how long shall
I be with you? how long shall I
suffer you? bring him unto me. And
they brought him unto him: and
when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell on the
ground, and wallowed foaming.

ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE THEM.

malvisguy212: God bless you truthman. If only this muslims will understand the quran more.

Skako: u are too dull and ur problem is how to express simple English,
u are just arguing blindly because the rebuttal is very clear and match,even if u recite it to the blind he/she will tell u the meaning

Q3vs7
It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding.

Q2vs8
Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).

tijjanioyan: tanx bro,pls help ask d ogbeni quran reviewer dat hav scientists invented a device dat can reveal d sex of an egg?lets use a fowl egg as case study:if what is In d egg is...a hen,cock,white or black,red or other mixed colours.some pple think quran is just like other books which they can read tru d translation &start makin senseles comments.besides it takes yrs of hard work 2study d (tafsir)interpretation of d holy quran.

onetrack: I'm saying that the way the Quran is written, it says that the things on earth were created before the heavens, therefore the Quran is wrong.

Skako: Let us look at Noble Verse39:4"Had Allah wished to take to Himself a son, He could have chosen whom He pleased out of those (from His creation) whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is Allah, the One, the Irresistible."
Let us look at Noble Verse6:101"To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: How can He have a son when He hath no consort? He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things."
I see no contradiction from the Noble Verses above.
According to 2:116, it is blasphemy to say that Allah begot a son. If that were true, He shold have had a wife (6:101), and His son would have been of the same kind as Himself; whereas Allah Almighty is One, with no one else like unto Him (112:4). Begetting is an animal act which goes with sex. How can it be consistent with our conception of One who is above all Creatures? If such a blasphemous thought were possible, as that Allah wanted some one else to help Him,He could have chosen the best of His creaturesinstead of lowering Himself to an animal act. But glory to Allah !. He is above such things !. His Unity is the first thing that we have to learn about Him. As He is Omnipotent, He requires no creatures to help Him or bring other creatures to Him.

I hope hav solved ur problem? Tanx
Islam is the way so turn to ur creator (ALLAH)
Alhamdulilha that am a Muslim

onetrack: As it is written, things 'on the earth' were created before the heavens, implying that the earth was already there. Anyhow you look at it, the heavens were created after things on the earth.

Skako: He it is Who created for youall that is on earth.Then He Istawa (rose over) towards the heaven and made them seven heavensand He is the All-Knower of everything.”- The Noble Quran 2:29 (Muhsin Khan)
These are the points to be noted here: -
1.Nowhere does Allah say here that he made Earth first and then he made heaven. He merely says that he made all that is on earth and then he turned to heaven that was already created. If Allah had really created heavenAFTERhe created the earth then why would he say“Then He Istawa (rose over) towards the heaven”?After the creation of earth, how can he“Istawa (rise over) towards the heaven”when he hasn’t created it yet in the first place. The only possible explanation for this is that Heaven and Earth were already created.
Does this verse say Allah created the Earth? No! This verse talks only about the “things on earth” and not earth itself!
2.This verse doesn’t even refer to the creation of the earth. Does Allah say that he created earth in this verse? Read again. This verse only says that Allah created “all that is on earth”. Meaning, Earth wasALREADY CREATEDby Allah and in this verse Allah is talking only about theTHINGS PRESENT ON EARTH AND NOT EARTH ITSELF. So your allegation that the Quran says that God created Earth first and then Heaven is totally false and does not hold any ground because this verse doesn’t talk about Allah creating the Earth at all

Skako: Yusuf Ali:
[051:049] And of every thingWe have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction.
Sher Ali:[051:049] And of everything haveWE created pairsthat you may reflect.
Shakir:[051:049] And of everythingWe have created pairsthat you may be mindful.
Arabic (from right to left):‏51:49
In this Noble Verse, we see Allah Almighty Declaring that of everything that He created,He Created pairs or two kinds for them. This Noble Verse does not speak about sexual reproduction. It clearly and indisputably Says that of every kind of creation out there, two kinds of this creation/species exist. To us, we might think of them asmales and females, but this is not always correct, for there are asexual (sexless) creations, such as the Angels, that Allah Almighty mentioned in the Glorious Quran:
"Or that We created the angels female, and they are witnesses (thereto)?(The Noble Quran, 37:150)"
"And they make into females angelswho themselves serve God. Did they witness their creation? Their evidence will be recorded, and they will be called to account!(The Noble Quran, 43:19)"
"Those who believe not in the Hereafter,name the angels with female names.(The Noble Quran, 53:27)"
So what does"everything" ()then mean inNoble Verse 51:49? If Angels are excluded, then obviously,"everything"here could not be applied to all of the Creations of Allah Almighty. So to me, this Noble Verse is speaking about the things that are created from dust, like us humans,and the things that exist on planet earth and other similar planets.This is further supported in the following Noble Verses:
Noble Verse(s) 21:30
Yusuf Ali:
[021:030] Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder?We made from water every living thing.Will they not then believe?
Arabic (from right to left):‏21:30
How can the Angels and the Jinns be made alive with water when they were created from light and fire respectively?
"And the Jinn race, We had created before,from the fire of a scorching wind.(The Noble Quran, 15:27)"
"'A'isha reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:The Angels were born out of light and the Jinns were born out of the spark of fireand Adam was born as he has been defined (in the Qur'an) for you (i. e. he is fashioned out of clay).(Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 42: The Book Pertaining to Piety and Softening of Hearts (Kitab Al-Zuhd wa Al-Raqa'iq), Number 71:34)
and u can click this link for more detail
http://www.answering-christianity.com/of_everything_pairs_are_created.htm

Skako: The Qur'an mentions in Surah Al-Tariq (chapter no. 86), verses 5-7; (86: 5-7)
Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted proceeding from between the back bone and the ribs.
In embryonic stages, the reproductive organs of the male and female, ie. the testicles and the ovaries, begin their development near the kidney exactly between the spinal column and the eleventh and twelfth ribs. Later they descend; the female gonads (ovaries) stop in the pelvis while the male gonads continue their decent before birth to reach the scrotum outside the body through the inguinal canal. Even after the embryonic stage after the decent of the reproductive organ, these organs receive their nerve supply and blood supply (from the Aorta) and lymphatic drainage which is in the area between the backbone (spinal column) and the ribs

Rilwayne001: … what is it to debunk about the trash he pasted, and does anyone of you debunk all i wrote in the op?

btw...av u ever debunk the inconsistency in the bible?

can you and your brother do that here?

Rilwayne001: Actually you find no fault in the,Quran and hadith, just that you are ignorant and replying an ignorant fellow does no good.

Btw, of all those incosistency in the bible have you ever talked about them

Rilwayne001: Why should i respond to your copy and paste hogwash that you copied from an anti-islam website. You see, you are philistine to the teaching of islam, all you people do is to foray into the Quran and hadith lookin for fault. Are you really seeking knowledge? Hell no. All you want is a futile argument which only an unreasonable person will give to you.

As for me, the Quran has decribed people like you and how to deal with them.

"And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: 'To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant. ' (The Noble Quran, 28:55)

true2god: It's called al-taqiyya, defending Islamic lies. Any quranic verse that is anti-human would be subjected to 100+ interpretations by the 'scholars' in order to 'wash away' the real content.

malvisguy212: face it, you got nothin to say,the idol[Allah] muhammad father worship is the same idol muhammad introduce to you guys that why Allah always favour muhammad more than any other muslim.

Truthman2012 .GOD BLESS YOU.

Rilwayne001: ^^ Is that all?

Rilwayne001: Post your usual traash as far as the Quran is concerned you dont av a point

..but get ready for horror killings/murder in the bible ordered by the bible god.. see you tommorow

Rilwayne001: "And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: 'To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant. ' (The Noble Quran, 28:55) "

larrymoore: hmmm what a dumb remark by a dumb fella.

qstar: What are you saying? if your name is "Jeff" and i call you "Henry", are they the same?

For ease of pronunciation, "Yeshua" is closest to "Joshua" in the English language.

malvisguy212: Good to see you once again brother. May God bless you.

macof: Actually, no man named Jesus existed 2000years ago

history and linguistics supports this

macof: There's all the evidence for a creator, but there's no evidence for any God

Jehovah doesn't exist and that's a fact!