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By allah referring Muhammad to the Bible, it shows it is superior to the Quran. Since that is the case:

1. What need there was to introduce the Quran as there was already the Bible, which is superior?

2. Why would the Quran contradict its reference, i.e the Bible?

So, so many questions the introduction of the quran or islam has created for the spiritually sound minds.

golpen: That is the problem I foresee we'll have with you. Why can't you simply agree that you got your answer from him on that. Instead, you say he TRIED.

Secondly, I have studied you to be a lazy reader (though long posts are mostly too boring, I admit) therefore, I perceive your research level is very slow. All your claims are from your anti-islam sites, which means you won't be able to defend your claims, hence you'll always disagree on every point given.

In view of these, I'm not sure we need any of your points here. I'm sorry, thanks.

Thank you for your remarks. One's adversary cannot kill a fat animal.

Running away from me?

golpen: Sir truthman2012... I'm thinking that you've resumed from the break I asked you to take with the grand kids


Sir truthman2012... I'm thinking that you've resumed from the break I asked you to take with the grand kids ... You are welcome anyway. Hope lanrexlan's answer is sufficient, so go and answer your own ray mcblue test and help your people instead of standing the risk of being called dubious by your approaches...

golpen,

How are things. Quite some days.

Though lanrexlan has tried but there are still a lot of such that are indisputable but if posted, your almighty moderator will not allow it to stay. Or should I go ahead? Promise it will not be closed or deleted as usual.

[Quran 10:94] - And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers.

There is no doubt that the Scripture before the Quran is the Bible. Despite all that is said against it by its unbelievers, including the muslims, Allah confirmed it is a reference Book for the Quran and Muslims. By implication, allah approves of the Sonship of Jesus as stated in the New Testament and other Christian Doctrines as stated in the Bible.

What do you say?

[quote author=dareabiola98]The are Five Basic Pillars in Islam

1. IMAN

The main core of the Iman Is believing That there is no other God But Allah,Eloha..and he's one
Every prophets sent to this world preached this Message
Say! He Allah(God) is One,He begets none nor is He begotten(Qur'an 112 vs 1-2) and in the bible Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is one. Mark 12:29 AND JESUS ANSWERED HIM THE FIRST OF ALL THE COMMANDMENTS IS HEAR O ISRAEL THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD. Good. God is one. Jesus is His Son.
Shirk Recognised as the Biggest Sin

It is Mentiones in the qur'an
Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin.
And in the Bible
2 I am the LORD thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.
3 Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any manner of likeness, of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
4 thou shalt not bow down unto them, nor serve them; for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me;
5 and showing mercy unto the thousandth generation of them that love Me and keep My commandments. {S}
Deuteronomy 5:7-9
7 Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, even any manner of likeness, of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
8 Thou shalt not bow down unto them, nor serve them; for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the third and upon the fourth generation of them that hate Me
9 and showing mercy unto the thousandth generation of them that love Me and keep My commandments. {S}

C. Jesus (pbuh) not God. He never claimed Divinity
In the Qur'an Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allah is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no ilah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilah (God -Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them.Al-Qur'an 5:72
In The bible
John 14:28YE HAVE HEARD HOW I SAID UNTO YOU
I GO AWAY AND COME AGAIN UNTO YOU. IF YE LOVED ME
YE WOULD REJOICE BECAUSE I SAID I GO UNTO THE FATHER- FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I.
John 10:29 MY FATHER WHICH GAVE THEM ME IS GREATER THAN ALL AND NO MAN IS ABLE TO PLUCK THEM OUT OF MY FATHER'S HAND. If you believe this statement you are by implication accepting Jesus is the Son of God as God is His Father.
Mathew 12:28 BUT IF I CAST OUT DEVILS BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD THEN THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS COME UNTO YOU.
Luke 11:20 BUT IF I WITH THE FINGER OF GOD CAST OUT DEVILS NO DOUBT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS COME UPON YOU.
John 5:30 I CAN OF MINE OWN SELF DO NOTHING- AS I HEAR
I JUDGE- AND MY JUDGMENT IS JUST BECAUSE I SEEK NOT MINE OWN WILL
BUT THE WILL OF THE FATHER WHICH HATH SENT ME.[color=#990000] Jesus is the Son of His Father.
Acts 2:21 YE MEN OF ISRAEL HEAR THESE WORDS JESUS OF NAZARETH A MAN APPROVED OF GOD AMONG YOU BY MIRACLES AND WONDERS AND SIGNS WHICH GOD DID BY HIM IN THE MIDST OF YOU AS YE YOURSELVES ALSO KNOW[/color]

The second Attribute
2.SALAT(bowing in Prayer

D. Taking off shoe before entering mosque
In The qur'an:
Qur'an 17:78 and 20:130
In the bible:
Exodus 3:5 And He said: 'Draw not nigh hither; put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.'
Acts 7:33 THEN SAID THE LORD TO HIM PUT OFF THY SHOES FROM THY FEET- FOR THE PLACE WHERE THOU STANDEST IS HOLY GROUND.

E.Ablution
In the qur'an:
O you who believe! When you intend to offer As-Salat (the prayer), wash your faces and your hands (forearms) up to the elbows, rub (by passing wet hands over) your heads, and (wash) your feet up to ankles.Qur'an 5:6
In the bible:
Exodus 40:31-32
31 that Moses and Aaron and his sons might wash their hands and their feet thereat;
32 when they went into the tent of meeting, and when they came near unto the altar, they should wash; as the LORD commanded Moses. {S} [color=#990000]God commanded Moses and Aaron to wash their hands and feet, but no washing of faces, nose elbow, head, etc. Washing of hands and feet was practiced in Judaism and not Christianity.
Acts 21:26 THEN PAUL TOOK THE MEN AND THE NEXT DAY PURIFYING HIMSELF WITH THEM ENTERED INTO THE TEMPLE TO SIGNIFY THE ACCOMPLISHMENT OF THE DAYS OF PURIFICATION UNTIL THAT AN OFFERING SHOULD BE OFFERED FOR EVERY ONE OF THEM.[/color]

F.PROSTRATION(as an act of worship)
In the Qur'an:O Mary! "Submit yourself with obedience to your Lord (Allah, by worshipping none but Him Alone) and prostrate yourself, and Irkai (bow down etc.) along with Ar-Rakioon (those who bow down etc.)."

In the bible:
Genesis 17:3; 3 And Abram fell on his face; and God talked with him, saying:
Numbers 20:6 And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tent of meeting, and fell upon their faces; and the glory of the LORD appeared unto them. {P}[color=#990000] Falling upon their faces here was a mark of honour and fear of God. They never lifted up their faces and fell again severally when praying like muslims do. They didn't do ablution before falling on their faces. [/b]
Joshua 5:14; And he said: 'Nay, but I am captain of the host of the LORD; I am now come.' And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and bowed down, and said unto him: 'What saith my lord unto his servant?' [b]Was this after ablution?
Mathew 26:39 AND HE WENT A LITTLE FURTHER AND FELL ON HIS FACE AND PRAYED SAYING O MY FATHER IF IT BE POSSIBLE LET THIS CUP PASS FROM ME- NEVERTHELESS NOT AS I WILL BUT AS THOU WILT.[/color] Was Jesus falling down after he had done ablution?

3.Zakat
In the Qur'an:As-Sadaqat (here it means Zakat) are only for the Fuqara (poor), and Al-Masakin (the poor) and those employed to collect (the funds); and for to attract the hearts of those who have been inclined (towards Islam); and to free the captives; and for those in debt; and for Allahs Cause (i.e. for Mujahidoon - those fighting in the holy wars), and for the wayfarer (a traveller who is cut off from everything); a duty imposed by Allah. And Allah is All-Knower, All-Wise.
In the bible:
I Peter 4:8 AND ABOVE ALL THINGS HAVE FERVENT CHARITY AMONG YOURSELVES- FOR CHARITY SHALL COVER THE MULTITUDE OF SINS.

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The truth of the matter is that heaven is not far from the true Christians. We hear from there on regular basis. Many faults of the early churches were told them by Jesus in the Book of Revelations. Jesus would not leave His own alone. He gets in contact with us. Apart from what the Bible says, credible reports were being sent to us through God's people. We are kept abreast of the happenings in heaven. Many Christians are already there in heaven, no cause for alarm for the true believers in Jesus Christ. Thank you.

lanrexlan: His son is not of his family,when Allah says He and his household were saved,it means Nuh(Noah) and the believers.
When you quote verses,you knowingly in your dubious manner omitted the verses that follow.Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Hud 11:45-47 -And Nuh (Noah) called upon his Lord and said,O my Lord! Verily,my son is of my family! And certainly,Your Promise is true, and You are the Most Just of the judges.
He said:"O Nuh (Noah)! Surely,he is not of your family;verily,his work is unrighteous,so ask not of Me that of which you have no knowledge! I admonish you,lest you be one of the ignorants."
Nuh (Noah) said:O my Lord! I seek refuge with You from asking You that of which I have no knowledge. And unless You forgive me and have Mercy on me, I would indeed be one of the losers.
Nuh(Noah)'s Family are the believers with righteous works,is that clear?.....Peace

Lanrexlan, how na?

Why do you always talk of 'peace' when you mean 'war'?

You called me 'dubious' and next moment you said .....Peace. Which one na?

Ray McBlue: http://nairaland.com/1435868/bible-babble-contradictions-holy-bible

1. Your questions are too many or rather too long for answers.

2. Misinterpretations of statements seem to be an issue in your allegations.

3. Even where you feel you are intellectually capable of faulting God or His words, the foolishness of God is better than the wisdom of men.

4. You cannot understand God enough otherwise you become God yourself.

One thing I know for certain is that I have seen God's words come true in people's lives. The blind seeing, the dead raised to life, the sick healed etc in the name of Jesus. Man's unbelief does not and cannot change God. Thank you.

@op

While I work on your post even though I have not gone through it yet, may I quickly add this ti your list of quran contradictions to get it answered along yours

[b]Noah and his household, saved or not saved?[/b]

YES

[Quran 21:76] And Noah, when he cried of old, We heard his prayer and saved[b] him and his household[/b] from the great affliction.

[Quran 37:75] And Noah verily prayed unto Us, and gracious was the Hearer of his prayer

[Quran 37:76] And We saved him and his household [/b]from the great distress,

[Quran 37:77] And made his seed the survivors,


[b]NO, HIS SON DROWNED

[Quran 11:42] And it sailed with them amid waves like mountains, and Noah cried unto his son - and he was standing aloof - O my son! Come ride with us, and be not with the disbelievers.

[Quran 11:43] He said: I shall betake me to some mountain that will save me from the water. (Noah) said: This day there is none that saveth from the commandment of Allah save him on whom He hath had mercy. And the wave came in between them, so he was among the drowned.

Noah and his househouse hold, saved or not saved?

Enumerate your terms clearly and let's see the meeting point if any.

@ OP

Give me a link to your alleged bible contradictions. I have been away on NL for a few weeks.

Secret knowledge, hidden truth, esoteric revelation, secret meetings, etc. Anything secret is of darkness and that is why it is not made open.

If God keeps something secret for man, He has His reasons. We cannot be as wise as Him. If you discover any secret thing through satanic devices, God will not be happy with you. We have been made to know all we need to know about life in the open word of God.

Wether you believe it or not, very soon we will be no more to face our creator - the Almighty God. Your belief or unbelief does not change this. Where are our forefathers? Gone and being punished or rewarded for their deed on earth. We shall soon join them.

So many good things are said about secret cults only to discover the evil they are in after joining them. We have heard many testimonies of those who made that mistake, many of them lost their lives and went straight to hell. Ask the witches, the ogbonis, the wiccans etc, those who were fortunate to get saved, you will understand what I'm saying.

Tudór6: Just look at this, Jesus' death is symbolic and not human sacrifice?? Hahahahahah Are you in actual fact denying that No blood was shed on the cross of calvary? This is like me putting 6 lead bullets into the head of the next man and claim its not murder but symbolism of my wickedness and psychopathic nature. Yea right!


what is the difference between your "God" requiring the shedding of HUMAN Blood, BLOOD, BLOOD, BLOOD for forgiveness, mercy and favours and the same principle being required by the traditional religions of old?

As far as the christian God Is concerned, the payment for everything is. BLOOD, HUMAN BLOOD which was shed 2,000 years ago and you have the audacity to question the rationale of old traditional religions who practised human sacrifice? On what Moral Grounds?

If your God has the right to accept Blood payment for everything, why shouldn't others?

Are there many God (s) of creation? To which God (god) are you making your own human sacrifices?

Would you love it if you or your child is sacrificed?

The new mod, Ajibam seems set to limit religious discussions. If the trend continues the section mighty become deserted soon.

lanrexlan: Closed or deleted? He will opened another if he's still keen on it.

Don't answer my question with another question.



How can you be so sure that serpent was moving on its legs? Do you have backings for it? It may have used wings you can't tell.



Does a snake feed on dust? I was curious that I even made research.No snake ever feeds on dust as claimed by the bible.
The sand Boas which even lives in sand on the desert do not eat sand,instead they catch their prey which consist of lizard and rodent in the typical boid way[Dr. H.C ''Benard Grzimek,Grzimek's Animal Life Encyclopedia Volume 6 1975 Van Nostrand Reinhold Company Page 374].You may made your own research and find out the serpent that do feed on dust as claimed by the bible.

Ok,so satan took the form of a serpent right? Then,does satan even eats dust? All those that claimed they were working for satan before always claim their master satan drinks blood and not dust.

You attempted it,you haven't really answer it.....Peace

"Speaking of the "tasting" ability of snakes, Dr. William R. Teska, a biology professor at Furman University who specializes in snakes informed me that snakes "taste" both dirt and air to navigate. However, other senses, like sight, sound, smell (in some species), and heat sensing (in vipers), probably play even more important roles in their navigation. Moreover, some snakes live in lakes or even oceans, and could hardly be described as "dust eaters." Others live high in the branches of tree-canopied rain forests, and seldom if ever rub their bellies on the ground and "eat dust." Besides, virtually all animals "eat" or swallow "dust" or dirt, either voluntarily or accidentally".

There are no two or three ways to heaven. Only one and that is Jesus Christ.

There were traditional religions in Israel while Judaism was on. But no recognition was given to traditionalists as people of God.

lanrexlan: Lolz,who are you? A prophet? I laugh in kanuri.
**finally unfollows the thread**

I hope you will live by your word this time.

lanrexlan: Genesis 3:1-16[NIV]- Now the Serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made..It said to the woman,Did God really say,You must not eat from any tree in the garden?
The woman said to the Serpent,We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say,You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it,or you will die. You will not surely die,the Serpent said to the woman.
For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened,and you will be like God,knowing good and evil.When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye,and also desirable for gaining wisdom,she took some and ate it.She also gave some to her husband,who was with her,and he ate it. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked;so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day,and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden.But the LORD God called to the man, Where are you?
He answered,I heard you in the garden and I was afraid because I was naked;so I hid. And he said,Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from? The man said,The woman you put here with me--she gave me some fruit from the tree,and I ate it.
Then the LORD God said to the woman, What is this you have done? The woman said,The serpent deceived me and I ate.So the LORD God said to the serpent,Because you have done this, Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals!You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life.
And I will put enmity between you and the woman,and between your offspring and hers;he will crush your head and you will strike his heel.
To the woman he said,I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;with pain you will give birth to children.Your desire will be for your husband,and he will rule over you.


Serpent according to the sixth edition of Oxford Advance Learner's Dictionary is a snake,especially a large one.
From the above,it is crystal clear that an animal is being cursed-the serpent,beast of the field and not satan.These are my questions.
Question one
What language did the serpent speak to Eve?
Question two
It seems the serpent was to start moving on its belly as we truly have it today after the curse,telling us that it was not its belly before.So what was it using to move before the curse?
Question three
I have been to the Zoological Garden and I never found any species of serpent/snake feeding on dust.If anyone has a snake that feeds on dust as claimed by the bible should please tell us the species of that snake.
No insults please.

Firstly, I want to use this opportunity to inform your brother, tintingz on his post on "The Bible Proves Muhammad As A False Prophet" which was closed by the mod. It was about Jesus being tempted by Satan. In case he is following this thread of yours, please let him open a thread so that we can discuss it. Thanks.

On your questions, I have the following answers.

Question one
What language did the serpent speak to Eve?

Eve was a human who must be speaking a language. The same language the Serpent must have used to communicate with her. I will answer your question here with another one: what language was Eve speaking? I'm sure Eve is mentioned in your quran too.

Question two
It seems the serpent was to start moving on its belly as we truly have it today after the curse,telling us that it was not its belly before.So what was it using to move before the curse?

This is an obvious case. The fact that the Bible says it was cursed to move on its belly shows it was moving on its legs before.

Question three
I have been to the Zoological Garden and I never found any species of serpent/snake feeding on dust.If anyone has a snake that feeds on dust as claimed by the bible should please tell us the species of that snake.
No insults please.

There is no way you can be so sure that snake does not feed on dust for the few hours you spent in the Zoo. You know Zoo is under management by people. They feed the animals therein. If it was not hungry it would not eat anything. Or what was it eating when you were there?

Satan As Snake

Revelation 20:2
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan , and bound him a thousand years,

The old serpent is referring to the one that deceived Adam and Eve. So it was Satan that was cursed.

Spirits do assume human and animal forms at will. They have that power. Even in Africa, witches assume or put on animal forms, bird, goat, cat etc. At that time in question, Satan decided to assume the form of a serpent.

I cannot find anything difficult in the questions you have raised.

lanrexlan: Your question has been answered.

If not a test,what's it? No harm befalls anyone but has already be written in a plain Book.

You are still dodging the question.The question is which spirit led Jesus into the wilderness in order to be tempted?

Why are you asking the obvious? You get your answer from where you got the information that he was tempted. He was tempted but not bewitched. There is a difference between temptation and bewitchment. Charm cannot work on true prophets, even me.

Dubby6: make una stop dis childish religious battleor I ban u all

Muhammad was under a serious magic to the extent that he didn't know what he was doing and you called that 'childish'? Na wa o.

lanrexlan: The brother has answered your question.See this.
.What else do you want? Allah says in Surah Al-Mujadilah 58:10- ...But he(satan) cannot harm them(the believers) in the least,except as Allah permits.And in Allah let the believers put their trust.
Surah Al-Baqarah 2:155-156 -And certainly,We shall test you with something of fear,hunger,loss of wealth,lives and fruits,but give glad tidings to As-Sabirin (the patient ones, etc.).Who,when afflicted with calamity,say:Truly! To Allah we belong and truly,to Him we shall return.

Jesus said Lead us not into temptations.Why was he led into it when he prayed not to be tempted? I am not talking about falling for the temptation or not.The question is which spirit led Jesus to be tempted and why was he tempted after praying?.....Peace

Point of correction: nobody has answered my questions so far. What your brother said is that I do not understand. Understand what?

What Muhammad experienced was not a test by allah, he was actually charmed by a magician and the charm had so much effects on him. Did allah later tell him he was the one responsible for the magic? Muhammad failed the test of a true prophet. Do you know of Elijah in the Bible, who dealt with 400 prophets of Bar? No magic could work on such one and other true prophets of God. umh?

Jesus never prayed against temptation. He only taught his disciples, who were still very young in faith because their resistance to temptation could be little at that time.