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mamsong9:
Now you lied again.
The crusaders never protect the Jews communities, instead Christians once killed and send Jews people into exile from the holy land, before Muslims later took hold of the land under the leadership of Salahudeen.

This true Muslim when he defeated the crusaders, he allowed the Jews and the Christians to practice their religion.

But you Christians are liars right from the beginning of your existence and you are still lying.

So what the crusaders did was right even after they raped innocent women, killed innocent babies, you are still proud of them.

When would you Christians get healed of the double standard diseases of yours.

Your story is dismissed for want of evidence. You fabricated it.

Again, what was the cause of the crisis? No answer.

gimakon:
If u understand, they don't tell them everything. They just tell them the peaceful side (so it would not look like they didn't preach the word) then add but... and the funny thing is, they follow it. They know the truth, accepting it is one difficult thing and the day u tell them to their face, they become angry. This is the problem of muslims today. Another thing they fear is for the fact IS is exposing them, people would still want to run away, and now people are forcefully running away from Islam. China I know had muslims, but I doubt today those muslims are still in existence, they'd go back to their Buddha by now, and allow Christians to continue in their pursuit.

Islam is now scared it's loosing power and thats what is making thier ISIS chief force people to join islam or die. It's bad. And most of them were born inside this religion.

When a religion doesn't tell you all its secrets, it's no longer a religion, but a cult.

Facts !

Thank you so much.

mamsong9:
What do you have to say about the Crusaders? Small liar.

What was the cause of the fight?

mubarakopeyemi:
Lieman alapa ma sise ole afajo

with all these your futile threads

can't you for once think and use your time for better things

Your hate against Islam hasn't earned you any converts but how will it? when your foundation is based on falsehood.

You have the gut to talk about hating islam? Islam itself is hate as it is wicked against your socalled infidels (Quran 9:29 + others).

How do you know my posts don't convert people?

At least anybody reading them would have known allahh is a false God.

italo:
The Crusades were absolutely necessary and good. It was conducted in defence of innocent Christians and Jews (inhabitants and pilgrims) who were being killed and raped by Muslim vampires just like ISIS is doing today.

If the Church were bombing ISIS today, you would surely criticize them too.

Thank you jare my brother.

tartar9:
where is it in the bible?
most of those lands are now Muslim hehe

Where is Muhammad and the jihadists who ate poison written in the quran? We find it only in hadith and when we quote it you say it is fabricated. Then where do we find where Abraham, Ishmael, Moses, Muhammad died in islam?

AceRoyal:
Wonderful Teacher,teaching by example! EPIC!

Yes o ! Wonderful teacher in deed.
Ida ahun ni pa ahun !

AceRoyal:
Wonderful Teacher,teaching by example! EPIC!

Yes o !
Ida ahun ni pa ahun !

nimat158:
wat giv u d assurance dat dey are muslims.ISLAM IS PEACE

Islam is peace?

See how:

https://www.nairaland.com/2755356/muslims-it-true-there-no

Go through the link and tell how peaceful islam is.

Look at what an islamic suicide bomber trainer did to himself and his trainees:

http://www.nigerianwatch.com/news/8249-islamist-suicide-bomber-trainer-blows-himself-and-his-class-up-while-giving-lesson

enieme:
Lol. Still at dis old job eh truthman?
I remember d post I quoted u in datvu still never gave any reply. I'm still holding u for that till date.

Can you please post the link? It might be an oversight.

But is it an offence to say the truth?

HOW THE APOSTLES DIED:

1. Matthew
Suffered martyrdom in Ethiopia,
Killed by a sword wound.

2. Mark
Died in Alexandria, Egypt , after
being dragged by Horses through
the streets until he was dead.

3. Luke
Was hanged in Greece as a result
of his tremendous Preaching to
the lost.

4. John
Faced martyrdom when he was
boiled in huge Basin of boiling oil
during a wave of persecution In
Rome. However, he was
miraculously delivered From
death.
John was then sentenced to the
mines on the prison Island of
Patmos. He wrote his prophetic
Book of Revelation on Patmos .
The apostle John was later freed
and returned to serve As Bishop
of Edessa in modern Turkey . He
died as an old man, the only
apostle to die peacefully

5. Peter
He was crucified upside down on
an x-shaped cross.
According to church tradition it
was because he told his
tormentors that he felt unworthy
to die In the same way that Jesus
Christ had died.

6. James
The leader of the church in
Jerusalem , was thrown over a
hundred feet down from the
southeast pinnacle of the Temple
when he refused to deny his faith
in Christ. When they discovered
that he survived the fall, his
enemies beat James to death with
a fuller's club.
* This was the same pinnacle
where Satan had taken Jesus
during the Temptation.

7. James the Son of Zebedee,
was a fisherman by trade when
Jesus Called him to a lifetime of
ministry. As a strong leader of the
church, James was ultimately
beheaded at Jerusalem. The
Roman officer who guarded James
watched amazed as James
defended his faith at his trial.
Later, the officer Walked beside
James to the place of execution.
Overcome by conviction, he
declared his new faith to the judge
and Knelt beside James to accept
beheading as a Christian.

8. Bartholomew
Also known as Nathaniel Was a
missionary to Asia. He witnessed
for our Lord in present day
Turkey. Bartholomew was
martyred for his preaching in
Armenia where he was flayed to
death by a whip.

9. Andrew
Was crucified on an x-shaped
cross in Patras, Greece. After
being whipped severely by seven
soldiers they tied his body to the
cross with cords to prolong his
agony. His followers reported
that, when he was led toward the
cross, Andrew saluted it in these
words: 'I have long desired and
expected this happy hour. The
cross has been consecrated by the
body of Christ hanging on it.' He
continued to preach to his
tormentors For two days until he
expired.

10. Thomas
Was stabbed with a spear in India
during one of his missionary trips
to establish the church in the Sub-
continent.

11. Jude
Was killed with arrows when he
refused to deny his faith in Christ.

Phillip
(crucified)—
Through his miraculous healing
and preaching, Philip converted
the wife of the Preconsul of the
city” of Hierapolis. Of course, this
event angered the Preconsul and
ordered that both Philip and
Bartholomew be tortured and
crucified upside down. While on
the cross, Philip continued to
preach and he was able to
convince the crowd and the
Preconsul to release
Bartholomew, while insisting that
he (Philip) remained crucified.
Bartholomew was released but
Philip died on the cross and was
later buried somewhere within the
city.

12. Matthias
The apostle chosen to replace the
traitor Judas Iscariot, was stoned
and then beheaded.

13. Paul
Was tortured and then beheaded
by the evil Emperor Nero at Rome
in A.D. 67. Paul endured a lengthy
imprisonment, which allowed him
to write his many
epistles to the churches he had
formed throughout the Roman
Empire. These letters, which
taught many of the foundational
Doctrines of Christianity, form a
large portion of the New
Testament.

Perhaps this is a reminder to us
that our sufferings here are
indeed minor compared to the
intense persecution and cold
cruelty faced by the apostles and
disciples during their times For
the sake of the Faith. And ye shall
be hated of all men for my name's
sake: But he that endureth to the
end shall be saved.
Pass on to encourage other
Christians. — with Martyrdom of
the Apostles

HOW MUSLIMS KILLED FOR THEIR OWN FAITH:

Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.

Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember"

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

Who says the God of the Christians is allahh the god of the muslims?

.

aminusanti:
U hardly make a complete sentence without lying or exaggeration and that's what exactly other people were complaining about..

Nonesense!

I challenged you to quote your statement that I changed, you couldn't and see the rubbish you are spewing out. Smh!

If I lied, tell me what I said without scriptural backings, if I cited islamic scriptures and you say it is a lie, it means it is not me but your islamic records are the LIES. Simple.

aminusanti:
Mr man u are nothing but hypocrite I swear and u really don't have shame at all..I will stop wasting my time on you...see the way you are changing what I wrote with my own hand, trying to show people a different thing... any reasonable person who is reading my post will surely know u are a hypocrite..

I quoted your post verbatim, am not a muslim, I cannot afford to deceive.

Show me what I quoted wrongly pls.

mahdino:
Sorry, what did you say VICTIMS or TERRORIST?



1. All 70,000 inhabitants of Jerusalem, mostly Muslims, were massacred by the European Crusaders on July 15, 1099, "the blood was ankle-deep".

2. After the massacre of Antioch by the European Crusaders in June 1098 "no Muslims was alive". Massacres of Muslims happen also in Asklan (1099), Aka (1104), Antioch (1098), Beruit (1110) and Tropolie (1102).

3. During the Inquisition, in Spain and Portugal the choice for Muslims were to "leave, convert or be burnt at the stake". The decree was only suppressed on July 15, 1834 after all Muslims were killed or left. Massacres of Muslims happened in Toledo (1085), Lisbon (1147), Cordoba (1236), Seville (1248), Maria (1266) and Granada (1492), "Promises of religious toleration were not kept".

4. The Mongols slaughtered millions of Muslims (1219-1260) in India, Persia, Iraq and central Asia including the Abbasia Caliph and his officials. The sack of Baghdad (Feb. 13, 1258) and the massacred of its population lasted more than 17 days and an estimated two million Muslims were massacred in Baghdad alone.

5. In Bosnia, Kosovo and Chechnya (1992-present) over than 200,000 Muslims were massacred and over 1.5 million Muslims were wounded, become homeless or exiled. Over 50,000 Muslim women and girls were raped.

6. Some 15 million Africans were taken as slaves to the Americans. More than half were Muslims. More than 3 million perished at sea, more than half were Muslims.

7. Following Deir Yassin massacre, Palestine, April 9-10, 1948, where 250 were killed by armed Jewish settlers, 100's of thousands left their homes in fear. Today there are over 3 million Palestinians refuges and exiles.

8. Israeli Lieutenant Dunhan reported to the command officer, after the October 29, 1956 massacre of Kafr Qasem, where 43 were shot by the army, "minus 15 Arabs ... it is difficult to count ... "

9. During September 15-18, 1982, Israeli-backed Phalagist militia massacred an estimated 50,000 Palestinians in Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in Lebanon.

10. During 1932-1957, at Russia's Arctic Vorkuta concentration camps a total of 6 million died, more than one third were Muslims.

11. On February 25, 1994 a Jewish settler shot dead in cold blood 60 Muslim worshipers at the Ibrahimi mosque, Hebron. Thirty more died when they demonstrated against the massacre.

12. On March 16, 1988, the Kurdish town of Halabja (population 45,000), Iraq, was bombarded with chemical weapons. An estimated 5,000 died and 1,000's seriously wounded.

13. For the last 8 years, the entire population of Iraq has been subjected to brutal sanctions. As a result over 1 million died including 575,000 children.

14. Several thousand Muslims were massacred in Philippines, Kashmir and Thailand (1970's-present).

15. On April 18, 1996, over 100 Muslims were massacred in the UN compound in Qana, Lebanon by the Israeli army.

16. Millions of Muslims civilians were massacred by the imperial powers of Europe in Africa and Asia (1500's to 1900's).

17. Hundreds of thousands of Muslims were massacred during and prior to the partition of India in the 1940's.

18. Thousands of Muslim civilians were victims of Israeli bombings and shelling in South Lebanon for the last 26 years. Hundreds of thousands were displaced.

19.Thousands of Muslims killed by USA in Iraq and Afghanistan.

What a religion! Despite their wars against Muslim civilians, against Hijab, despite their relentless efforts to tarnish its reputation, their intimidations by labeling Muslims as terrorists and fundamentalists, despite all of this, Islam remains the number one religion in terms of being practiced and accepted by the people in the whole world. It is the only religion that addresses your intellect as well as your soul. I wonder what would happen if the enemies of Islam gave it a fair chance to connect to the people without any intervention from the media. It always brings me Joy to be part of this great religion; Islam. All praise be to Allah almighty !!!

" He (Allah almighty) it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the unbelievers detest."
(Qur'an 9:33)

"So, be patient. Surely Allah’s promise is true, and let not the disbelievers shake your firmness ."
(Qur'an 30:60)

Firstly, you don't know who a Christian is. A Christian is someone who behaves like Christ. Jesus said if you are slapped on one cheek turn the other. Jesus condems any sort of physical violence and he led by example. Therefore if anybody fought in His name, he is on his own. The truth is nobody would carry out a fight chanting ''in Jesus name'' like muslims shouting ''allau akbr''.

Referring to your various massacres, I don't know if they were true, but if they were, it could not have been done in the name of Jesus. Again, it could be reprisal attacks following muslims' violence they are known for, right from the time of Muhammad. YOU FAILED TO TELL THE CAUSE OF THE MASSACRES.

Today, France is in Syria bombing and so is Russia. The US is everywhere watching and bombing where necessary. Why? Because of Islamist who have a standing instruction to conquer the world. Are they just fighting?

Look at the atrocities of allahh and Muhammad here:

https://www.nairaland.com/2755356/muslims-it-true-there-no

Islam is about war and war everywhere since its inception.

ladyF:
This isn't a sensible topic I must say. Why don't you respect other people's religion? How is it biting you? *hiss

Hey ! What are you saying?

Did muslims have respect for other peoples religion? If they did there would be no islam today. The converts to islam from the religions before it were made through force.

Quran 9:29] Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought LOW.

Is that respect for other people's religion?

Yes, what bring brings islam to the limelight is islamic terrorism, otherwise muslims would have been operating in obsecurity.

Islam and the quran have no message to the world other than oppostion and killing all other religions. This is why muslims believe in islam conquering all other religions by the use of weapons.There would be no islam if muslims do not denigrate other religions.

Apart from terrorism which started with Muhammad, nothing spiritually important can happen in islam as allahh has no power to heal and solve other human problems.

Therefore it is Boko Haram, AlShabab, AlQuaeda, ISIL etc that remind us of islam.

BETATRON:
most of the verses you stated were issued to those who refused to go for battle to prevent the muslim land from siege the problem with you is you bring one verse get defeated bring another get defeated and still bring others,have you no shame?
At least prove that one of the verses you quoted said clearly that the muslims should attack the unbelievers in their own land,kill their children,rape their women,,burn down their houses as is stated explicitly in the bible

The bible never commanded anyone to fight for religion, the fights there were enemy kingdom against another enemy kingdom. Besides, am taking on allahh based on his words that there should be no COMPULSION in religion and was later commanding muslim to force islam on people. What a deception.

I quoted to you many quranic verses stating muslims should fight people to ensure islam becomes the only religion, yet you said the fight is for self defence. How do you reason?

You said it was the angels that allahh commanded to behead people, being a lie you told, you could not cite any occassion of anyone beheaded by angels. Have no shame?

Now, you asked for a verse that expressly states muslims should attack unbelievers as if those wars fought by Muhammad were against muslims.

Add this to the list:

[Quran 9:29] Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

The people who have been given the Scripture were the Jews and Christians. This was a direct first attack on them for not believing in Muhammad's allahh. But to you it was self defence. If you choose to deceive yourself, those who do not want to spend their eternal lives in hell would not follow your lies.

BETATRON:
your problem is you don't even have a koran...you only tend to believe whatever you find in the internet
1-you didn't quote Quran3vs151 completely.pls check my previous reply and see the complete verse

2-you brought out quran8vs12 cause you feel it has traces of transgression in battle...on reading it from verse9 to 15 you will see that your claim is nullified..also check my previous reply for clarification

3-Quran66vs9- word strive is used (strive can be in the context of explaining yourself I.e making your self understood) and in this verse the faithless and the HYPOCRITES are mentioned
Hypocrites are people who pretend to have virtue and morals (most times not recognized)-
Verse10 of the same surah say---Allah draws an example for the faithless the wife of noah and the wife of Lot---this shows that the faithless(hypocritical ones) can be among you---please mind bringing another surah where the prophet was asked to kill the hypocrites in His own religion??

The verse9 goes further to state-their refuge will be hell----see? The prophet was asked to make it clear(strife) to them that the end product of hypocrisy and disbelieve is hell---not to chop of their head

4-b4 concluding on surah8vs39 please read surah 8vs34--here you will find that the nonbelievers were preventing the muslims from performing their pilgrimage in the Holy mosque--they even go as far to spend their wealth to prevent the muslim--8vs36..all this are fitna(trials,tribulations,prosecutions)--hence that is why quran8vs39 read---fight them until there is no trail,prosecution----it goes further to read----but if they RELIQUISH(give up their hedious act) Allah indeed sees best what they do

Now judge for your self---is there any sign of attack in this verse...for as is clearly seen this people were the oppressors in the muslim land

Your twisting doesn't hold water, objective readers must have discovered you are lying.

The other time you said the command to behead innocent people was given to angels and I asked you to provide an instance of where angels beheaded anybody in the quran or even hadith, am still waiting.

For your further readings:

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not

Not only does that verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Command to fight even neighbours, how does this sound like self defence to you?

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Self defence? So allahh will bestow a vast reward to them for defending themselves?

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."

The muslims who fought to attain the comfort of Hereafter is self defence to you. Self-deceit.

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "

So allahh will reward muslims in aljannah for defending themselves? Stop deceiving yourself.

Do you want more?

Now, look at allahh who once said there is no compulsion in religion, lying.

aminusanti

1- kabba wasn't a place of worship then
2- Jesus and other prophets were assigned to guide the people of their time to the right path (islam), without guidance there will be no beliefs n unity today which is why people visit Kabba.
3- visiting kabba is not idol worshiping

How could you say kaaba was not a place of worship then? Are you ignorant or deliberately lying? Kaaba was said to be built by Abraham and Ishmael as a house of allahh, and resort and sanctuary for ALL MANKIND . Why would Bible prophets not go there to worship, following the step of their father Abraham? Was Israel not part of mankind the quran talks about? The fact that they didn't go there to worship shows Kaaba was not built by Abraham as a house of worship for all mankind. It is a lie by allahh to deceive mankind linking the building of kaaba to Abraham to deceive humanity.

I tell you the truth, Kaaba was built by idol worshipers for their idols. Satan capitalized on the illiteracy of the Arabs at that time for lack of knowledge of history. Abraham lived and died in Israel and never stepped his feet in Mecca.

Ibn Abbas narrated:

"... Ibrahim brought her (Hajrah) and her son, Ismail while she was suckling him, to a place near the
Kaaba under a tree on the spot of Zam-Zam, at the highest place in the mosque. During those days there was nobody in Makkah, nor was there any water. So he made them sit over there and placed near them a leather bag containing some dates, and a small water-skin containing some water, and set out homeward. Ismail's mother followed him saying: "O Ibrahim! Where are you going,
leaving us in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy,
nor is there anything (to enjoy)?" She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her.
Then she asked him: "Has Allah ordered you to do so?" He said: "Yes". She said: "Then He will not
neglect us." and she returned (to her child) while Ibrahim proceeded on his way.
On reaching the Thaniya (mountain) where they could not see him, Ibrahim faced the Kaaba, and raising
both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayer:

[Surah Ibrahim 14 :37]..." [Sahih Bukhari Book# 55, Hadith# 583]

According to that hadith, Abraham left Hagai and Ishmael in the valley and on allaah's order, he did not look back. How would he have gone back to Mecca to build Kaaba when he was ordered not to look back? How was he doing the islamic rituals in Kaaba when he was not there as he didn't look back on allahh's order? If allahh ordered him not to look back, why should he go back to build Kaaba?

Christian only exist about 300 year after Jesus (peace be upon him) past away)

Where did you get this lie from? 300 years after Jesus Christianity existed? It existed during the time of the apostles because it was in Antioch they gathered where they were called Christians. Stop lying.

BETATRON:
very good
Quran3vs151-WE(singular "we" shall cast terror into the hearts of the faithless because of their ascribing to Allah partner,for which He has not sent down any authority,and their refuge is the FIRE and Evil is the FINAL abode of the wrongdoers

The problem is you didn't complete the verse..if you did like I have done you will find there in that there is no sign of war in the verse. Rather the verse speaks of the hereafter.

How can you understand it when you only read part of it "how can you understand a sentence without completing it?"

Verse8:12--then the Lord signaled to the angels:I am indeed with you so steady(help) the faithful.I will cast terror into the hearts the faithless so strike their necks and strike each of their fingertips!
.....To 15--O you who have faith When you encounter the faithless ADVANCING(attacking) for battle do no turn back and flee from them that they(defend yourself)

Here the verse shows the statement of defence if you read it to verse15..verse12 was actually a command to the angels to help the faithful in battle because those who attacked them attacked in overwhelming numbers,,verse9 of the same surah clarifies it more

Advice to you---stop cherry picking verses from the koran without knowing what proceeding and succeeding verses has to say,,thar style is bound to fail

If you've got more verses that needs clarification kindly forward them

There is noway you can twist a lie to become the truth. Let's examine the verses again:

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

How can you say the command to behead and cut the innocent fingertips was to the angels? Was it angels who fought the wars or Muhammad and his killer squad? Give me an instance in the quran where angels behead anybody. Stop lying !!!

Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."

You see for yourself that the command was to Muhammad and not angels. Don't feed people with lies anymore

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

It is clear from that verse that the REASON for allahh commanding Muhammad to terrorize the innocent was because they joined companions with him. Why are you lying it was for self defence? Don't you have conscience?

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

.....and religion should be only for allahh is a statement forcing people to accept islam. Why are you lying islamic terrorism is for self defence?

From the above analysis, it is evident that when people confronted Muhammad and his squad in war, it was because they were defending themselves. It was the people that were fighting in self defence when muslims were attacking them to force islam on them.

BETATRON:
if you want to disprove the koran use the koran,
Yes sahih bukhari is the work of one man and is open to criticism,,
but the koran "give it your best shot man"

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

The reason given by allahh for commanding the muslims to terrorize innocent people was ''joining companions with him and not muslims self defence.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Allahh's reason for commanding muslims to behead and cut innocent people's fingertips was because of their unbelief in him and not for self defence.

So all of those hadiths you are trying to deny were in compliance with the quranic injunctions.

BETATRON:
I see you dubbed this from somewhere if you didn't how come you skipped surat 2vs190-fight in the way of God those who fight you,BUT DO NOT TRANGRESS.indeed Allah does not like the Trangressor

Here it is seen that they where permitted to fight to defend themselves,,so this in no way go against the verse which says "there is no complusion in religion"

For does who didn't rebel and attach muslims the koran said ""and call people to the way of your lord in a decorous manner""

So the verse you quoted above was for those who attack the muslims and not for those who refuse to accept islam

No, your claim is untrue.

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

The reason given by allahh for commanding the muslims to terrorize the people there was joining companions with allahh and not for self defence

Bukhari (59:643) - "Testify that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah, or else I will chop off your neck!"

How does that sound like self defence?

Then the apostle sent Khalid bin Walid… to the Banu al-Harith and ordered him to invite them to Islam three days before he attacked them. If they accepted then he was to accept it from them, and if they declined he was to fight them. So Khalid set out and came to them, and sent out riders in all directions inviting the people to Islam, saying, “If you accept Islam you will be safe.” So the men accepted Islam as they were invited. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 959)

Now tell me, how was that self-defence.

Bukhari (8:387) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.'"

Quran 2:256
LET THERE BE NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION.
The right direction is henceforth
distinct from error. And he who
rejecteth false deities and
believeth in Allah hath grasped a
firm handhold which will never
break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.

The same allahh again said:

Qur'an (2:193) - "AND FIGHT THEM until persecution is no more, AND RELIGION BE ONLY FOR ALLAH. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers."

Which one are we to take now ?

True to allahh's latest command, read what Muhammad said:

Bukhari (8:387) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.'"

Bukhari (53:392) - "While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."

Is allahh to be taken seriously?

Is the quran credible?

yazach:
Even the bible called Paul(the founder of Christianity) a slowpoke not to talk of his followers.
You need to sit down and ponder on your life, ask yourself: Since you have started your fruitless blackmailing of Islam & Muslims, what have you gain?

You can't know what I have gained.

Norminal Christians who are usually deceived by muslims have been in a better position to know the FALSEHOOD of islam.

Again, norminal muslims, I mean the ones not much hypnotized by islamic jinns would have seen the evil of islam. I don't mean hypnotized muslims like you. Anyway, Jesus can still deliver you.

plappville:
The prophet Muhammad. Stress be upon him (SBUH) as long as no peace here he will not have peace too. YOU HAVE FINISHED MATTER. A PROPHET WHO SEES VISION EVEN RIDE ON A FLYING HORSE TO VISIT HEAVEN CANNOT SEE THAT THERE WAS POISON IN HIS DELICIOUS MEAL.? THEN HE WAS NEVER A PROPHET. AFTER SEEING ALLAH FACE TO FACE. ONE SMALL YOUN WOMEN STILL FIT KILL AM? hey, think of it..

Sister na wa for them o !

A big 'prophet' like that no fit see poison. What a prophet.

Annunaki:
Even pagans pray the same way muslims pray.

Islam and paganism are one and the same. When muslims say oneness of god, what they are saying in reality is abolition of other meccan idols for only allahh, the head of the 360 idols, which was the one worshiped in Muhammad's family.

If their oneness of god is the same as the Jews Oneness of God, Muhammad should not have had issues with the Jews.

yazach:
What did you know aside food

It is not your fault. You have been hypnotized by jinns, islamic spirits.

Lunatics don't know they are insane untill they are delivered because they are under hypnotism. They even call sane people mad. So are muslims, nothing reasonable makes sense to you guys.

Medicis:
If the Jewish and Chistian gospel were corrupted, was this before or after Muhammad? If before, why does God tell Muhammad to refer to a corrupted Scripture for guidance, and why does he say of the Torah and Gospel ‘wherein is guidance and light’ rather than ‘wherein there used to be before they were corrupted’? If after, why does the Muslim condemn the Jewish and Christian gospel , since current translations are all based upon manuscripts that predate Muhammad??

Muslims have no answers to your questions. I have asked these same questions with no answers.

Hypocrisy is the trade mark of muslims, they turn blind eyes to any questions they have no answer and yet stick to the FALSEHOOD they have been brainwashed to believe.

Quran 10:94
Allah told Muhammad to consult
the Jews and the Christians if he
was in doubt of the revelations
he was receiving: (And if thou
art in doubt concerning that
which We reveal unto thee,
then question those who read
the Scripture (that was) before
thee. Verily the Truth from thy
Lord hath come unto thee. So
be not thou of the waverers.

Then, if the Torah and Gospel were correct at Muhammad's time, what is the need for the quran? If they were is correct, how and when were they corrupted?

Quran 5:43
How come they come unto the
(i.e Muhammad) for judgment
when they have the Torah,
wherein Allah hath delivered
judgment (for them)? Yet even
after that they turn away. Such
(folk) are not believers

Even at Muhammad's time
till today the Torah was valid for
judgment, but only the people (muslims)
turned away from it according to
Allah.

Quran 5:71
Say: "O People of the Book! (i.e
the Jews and the Christians) Ye
have no ground to stand upon
unless ye standfast by the Law,
the Gospel and all the
revelations that has come to you
from your Lord.

How could Allah say Jew and
Christian should stand fast by
the Law and Gospel even at Muhammad's time if they have
been corrupted?

ISLAM IS A LIE FROM THE DEVIL.

Annunaki:
Like most muslims you are just a very dishonest rodent, you deliberately and dishonestly quoted Jesus out of context and added blatant lies from your filthy quoran and you are deluding yourself to think you made a point. Dunce! For your information contrary to the daft lies muslim al taquiya experts peddle, Paul's teachings are 100% in conformity with Jesus teachings. He like Jesus preached love and holiness in contrast to mohamed(sbuh) who preached hate and was every thing bad a human can possibly be.

All muslims have to be dishonest because their allahh is a deceiver. Would they be better behaved than their god? Never.

aminusanti:
U reaally dnt have shame I swear!! U are naturally dull I can see it now what my friends r saying about you..its really useless trying to explain things to you...did u ever seat and think that non of us bother to post questions on you regarding ur confused belivs yet you are still lost and confused.

AGAIN..

All of the prophets were a continuation of each other, each sent to their own people and tribe, with the same message of teaching and correcting the people’s understanding of the one and true God. If u happend to be in the time of moses and you follow his teachings at that period, you are at the right path. The same goes to other prophets..

The only differences between the prophets was in the revelation they were given, not the contents of the main message. For example Moses was given the Torah, Jesus the Gospel, David the Psalms, and lastly the Prophet Muhammad was given the Quran. So they were given different books by God, but with the same underlying message about the one true God.

Trash!

If Kaaba (muslims house of allahh) was built by Abraham it means it had been there before Mose and other Bible prophets, right?

Why is it that none of them went there to worship?

If you have no answer to that, it shows muslims allahh is not the God of the Bible prophets.