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Nice OP

The Bible is true to life. What it said about Ishmael before his birth is what is actually happening today.

ibnmonsur:
May Allah increase u in knowledge of Islam
Most times I keep quite because of the fact that if u keep on explaining to them, ey will still keep deaf ears, but my fear if for innocent Muslim who failed to learn about their religion and learn religion on net (nairaland ) will think these people are rights and got confuse abuot their lies.
pls always put this in mind while replying them
Surah Al-Kahf, Verse 56:
وَمَا نُرْسِلُ الْمُرْسَلِينَ إِلَّا مُبَشِّرِينَ وَمُنذِرِينَ وَيُجَادِلُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بِالْبَاطِلِ لِيُدْحِضُوا بِهِ الْحَقَّ وَاتَّخَذُوا آيَاتِي وَمَا أُنذِرُوا هُزُوًا

And We send not the Messengers except as giver of glad tidings and warners. But those who disbelieve, dispute with false argument, in order to refute the truth thereby. And they treat My Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), and that with which they are warned, as jest and mockery!
(English - Mohsin Khan)

via iQuran

Nonsense!

Muhammad was killing the men and taking their women as sex slaves, how is that good tidings to mankind? Islam is satanic deception. Smh!

aminusanti

Your explanations are gross errors.
Muslims claim Kaaba had existed since the time of Abraham and Ishmael and islamic rituals were done by them, setting examples for people coming behind them. This claim is debunked by the fact that no prophet after them took to their way of worship. Therefore, the claim is a lie.

Ablution: What is the process of ablution? Did any of the people you quoted complete it? Did they do it all the time? Were they facing Kaaba which had existed that time? Stop deceiving yourself.

macof:
What do you mean by idol worship system?

Read the OP thoroughly, you will see that what idol worshipers in Mecca were doing to their idols is what muslims too are doing to their allahh.

Since both of them are doing the same thing, why was Muhammad warring against the idol worshipers?

I think what happened was that Muhammad wanted other idol worshipers to abandone their idols and embrace only one, allahh that belongs to his fathers.

aminusanti:
Read my previous post the answer is there if u cant see and understand it read again if still ur brain fail you can ask someone to help you understand it... get well soon

Am not surprised you are lying, your religion allows it. Your explanation does not hold water.

Now answer the following questions one by one:

1. I could not see where you said Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Jesus etc went to Mecca to do islamic rituals at Kaaba in your post. If they did not, how then is Kaaba the house of God for ALL mankind?

2. Quran 34:44 says there was no prophet in Mecca before Muhammad, how do you prove Abraham and Ismael as prophets in islam were in Mecca doing such rituals?

3. If Abraham did such rituals, why was he unable to pass down the practice to other prophets in Israel where he lived?

aminusanti:
You're very smart. You have brains you never used. To you its rubbish but to the readers is something and I never post any thing here for you to believe as we all already know your type. Answers to all your post is in my last reply read it well if u don't understand ready again.. That's why you are called Khafir- infidel you are blind not in tge eyes but in your heart.

Still asking, why is allahh worshiped in the exact way idolaters worship their idols? You couldn't say anything on that, right.

You have nothing to show that any of God's prophets before Muhammad was doing such islamic rituals in Kaaba, Mecca. Why did the rituals begin with Muhammad if Kaaba was built by Abraham as the house of God?

It should be clear to you that the Devil used Muhammad to introduce adolatry (islam) to the world as worship of God. Allahh is a DECEIVER.

[quote author=Kudducini post=39782005][/quote]Yes. I do.

aminusanti:
You are still failing to understand that Islam is not a new religion discovered by prophet Mohammad (S.W.A), All the prophets of ALLAH were teaching the same thing which is oneness of GOD=ISLAM. According to Islam, there were many Prophets of God, starting with Adam and ending with Muhammad.

Qur'an (islamic sacred scripture) states that all of those Prophets preached the same monotheistic Message and that every community had a Prophet. Hence, that is why there are similarities between monotheistic faiths and non-monotheistic traditions. The reason they are not 100% the same, according to Qur'an, is that humans have altered the revelations.

Among all the revelations that have reached us from history, according to Qur'an, are: the Bible and the Qur'an. No other revelation has survived. As i mentioned earlier these were things that were there before paganism.They were rituals which were done by Ibrahim (Abraham) and Ishamael . The people of the area followed the religion of Ibrahim through the guidance of Ishmael since he was the prophet of the area.

As time went on and he passed away the people started to stray away from the religion and started introducing foreign things and other gods into their worship. In the end the only thing that was left from the religion of Ibrahim and Ishmael were those few things.


"I won't be surprised if tomorrow the bold is re-translated. Many hadiths have been removed on the internet to protect islam."

Do you mean something like dis:
*2 Samuel 10:18 - David slew 700 and 40,000 horsemen and Shobach the commander.
*1 Chronicles 19:18 - David slew 7000 chariots and 40,000 footmen.

*2 Chronicles 9:25 - Solomon had 4000 stalls for horses and chariots.
*1 Kings 4:26 - Solomon had 40,000 stalls for horses.

*Ezra 2:5[/b] - Arah had 775 sons.
*Nehemiah 7:10[/b] - Arah had 652 sons.

*2 Samuel 24:13 - SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE.
*1 Chronicles 21:11-12 - THREE YEARS OF FAMINE.

*How did Judas die?
*Matthew 27:5 - Hanged himself.
*Acts 1:18 - And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out.

*2 Samuel 6:23 - MICHAL never had a child until she died.
*2 Samuel 21:8 - MICHAL had 5 sons.

*2 Kings 24:8 - Jehoiachin was 18 years old when he began to reign.
*2 Chronicles 36:9 - Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign.

*1 Kings 16:6-8 - 26th year of the reign of Asa, Baasha reigned over Israel.
*2 Chronicles 16:1 - 36th year of the reign of Asa, Baasha reigned over Israel.


Qur'an 53:19 for you to understand this verse pls kindly read passage completely.... it starts from 19 to 23. That's why i am always telling you even if you have to steal other Islam haters write-ups you should read it well, understand it, and search for the right context..[/color]

The black stone in Mecca was a meteorite that was sent down by Allah Almighty to Prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael, peace be upon both of them, to give the precise location of where the Kaaba was to be built by them. But as the Prophet said in the Hadith above, nothing is Holy about either the Kaaba or the Black Stone. They are not objects of worship. The Bible also mentioned this and prophesied it. While there are traditions about kissing or touching the Stone, its real significance is as marker of the point at which one starts the Tawaaf (circumambulation of the Kaaba as part of hajj or omra.) The Stone is not be worshipped or regarded as anything but a marker unlike Pagan who worship and believe it to be GOD.

We believe that Prophets Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba. The black stone is placed in one of the corners of the Kaaba, and it serves as a starting and ending point for the Circumambulation (tawaaf) 7 times around the Kaaba, which is also 100% supported in the Bible's previous Scriptures. We bow down to Allah Almighty only, regardless what's in front of them AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOT WORSHIPING THAT OBJECT. The Kaaba is the same thing. We do not bow down to it in worship in any shape or form. We bow down only to Allah Almighty in its direction because it is His Appointed House where He symbolically meets His Servants and True Believers.

According to Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, book of Hajj, chapter 56, H.No. 675. Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) said, "I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet (pbuh) touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you".

All of Islam's Rituals are 100% supported by the previous Scriptures

Read Psalm 138:2
“I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word”

In the previous Scriptures, all Prophets of GOD Almighty bowed down to Him, the Almighty, in the direction of His Holy Temple or House. It's all over the Bible and outside the Bible.

Psalm 138:2 “I will bow to you in the direction of your Holy Temple.”,

Isaiah 60
6. The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the LORD.

7. "All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory".

Isaiah 35.8 "And a highway will be there; it will be called the Way of Holiness; it will be for those who walk on that Way. The unclean will not journey on it; wicked fools will not go about on it"
Few points to notice here:
If this is the case, then this prosperity has got to be Islam! This is further seen in the "Way of Holiness" (Isaiah 35: that Arabia will have in it, that no unclean person is allowed to take. This would, without a doubt, then be referring to the Muslims' yearly pilgrimage to Mecca, today.
and read the Qur'anic verse below to see the similarities

"Behold! We gave the site, To Abraham, of the (Sacred) House [That is the Kaaba that he built], (Saying): 'Associate not anything (In worship) with Me; And sanctify My House For those who compass it round, Or stand up, Or bow, or prostrate themselves (Therein in prayer). And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men: they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways; (The Noble Quran, 22:26-27)"

Luke5:33 They said to him, "John's disciples often fast and pray, and so do the disciples of the Pharisees, but yours go on eating and drinking."

Matthew 6:16 "When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full."

You wasted your time trying to misinterpret the Bible.

Muhammad's islam is a new religion as no other Bible prophets venerated Kaaba and none went to Mecca doing the rituals idolaters were doing as in OP. That should be clear enough.

Wherever you find 'Holy Temple' in the Bible, it is refering to Temple of Jerusalem. Islam claims Kaaba was existing since the time of Adam, the first man on earth, then why is it that there is no single mention of the word Kaaba in the Bible?

More importantly, all the rituals you carry out in Kaaba, which muslims claim were what Abraham and Ishmael did, then why is it that the same rituals were done by pagans to their idols? Were Abraham and Ishmael the originators of idol worship?

If those rituals were from God, why was it limited to Abraham and Ishmael alone as no other prophets did the same. Even Isaac, Abraham's promised son had no hand in such rituals. Why didn't Abraham carry him along in the rituals? I wonder why Abraham who actually lived in Israel had no influence on the Israelites to worship Yahweh with such islamic rituals. That shows allahh lied as usual that Abraham and Ishmael originated the rituals.

Why the similarities between worship of allahh and other idols in Mecca ? Why is idol worship system COMPATIBLE with islam worship system ? No muslims have been able to answer the question.

The Judaism and Christianity, which existed before Muhammad's islam never worshiped Yahweh with islamic rituals as done by muslims.

If Kaaba is the sanctuary and resort for all mankind, why did the Bible prophets NOT recognize it but the Temple of Jerusalem? I say again, allahh is a liar.

Annunaki:
It is totally impossible for a religion founded by someone as evil, vile, wicked and immoral as mohamed to be a religion from the true God. Your problem is that you have been brainwashed from birth to think other wise. But I am sure something is telling you there is something absolutely wrong with islam. Take for instance most moderate muslims find what boko haram and isis are doing appalling but in reality what they are doing is the sunnah of mohammed. If your brain tells you that what boko haram are doing is bad, why then do muslims exonerate mohamed who committed 10,000 times more evil than all the islamic terror organisation in the world put together
Why should a true religion inspire so much violence since it was founded 1,400 years ago till this very date
Why should adherents of a true religion routinely have to resort to lies to defend the religion and it's prophet
Why should a true religion have lies and deception(kitman and al taquiya) as part of it's core doctrines
Why should we accept islam as a true religion since there is no independent confirmation of mohammed's prophethood apart from his al taquiya claims
Why should we accept the prophethood of an evil tyrant that had zero credibility

Thank you for telling them the truth o !

How can we accept islam as the true religion when the Bible says it is the Gospel that should be preached till the end of the world? This shows islam is not from God.

How can we accept islam as a true religion when it is idol worship reformed? When did God become an idol that is worshiped islamically as being done in Mecca?

Why didn't Moses, Jesus and any prophet in the Bible talk of Kaaba, allahh's resort for mankind, which is said to be in existence since the time of Adam? How can any reasonable person believe this glaring lie?

How can we believe Muhammad when Jesus said ''I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE, nobody can come unto God but through ME'' (John 14:6).

How can we believe Muhammad's allahh saying there are virgins in his heaven when Jesus said there is neither male nor female in God's heaven as all shall be like angels?

How can we believe Muhammad's allahh deceiving the people that prophets of old also married the wives of their adopted sons to justify Muhammad's immoral marriage with Zynab, the wife of Zaid, his adopted son? When did God start lying?

When it was alleged Muhammad received from satan, allahh consoled him that it wasn't he alone and that other prophets also received revelations from satan too. This is discovered to be a lie as no other prophets received revelations from satan as claimed by allahh. How can we believe a lying god?

How can we believe allahh who declared his identity different from Yahweh the Creator by saying he is not the God worshiped by the Jews and Christians (Quran 109:1-6). Then why did he lie he was the sender of the prophets of the Jews and Christians: Abraham, Moses, Jesus and others? How can we believe a lying god?

The list of sooo long.

ShaheedBinAliyu:
I won't argue with you further.. believe whatever you want to believe.. it's your loss..

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=111.0

if you like follow that Link, if you like don't.. keep reading lies about Qur'an and islam with fake proofs on anti Islam sites

1. 4 out of 5 Middle-Eastern
women are sexually abused
between the ages of 3 and 6 by
family members.

2. More than half of all Yemeni
girls are married before
reaching the age of puberty.

3. With more than 3,900 children
within 6 months, Indonesia
tops the UN bodies list for child
trafficking cases.

4. 2,000 child sex abuse claims in
1 year at Pakistani Islamic
schools, but not even 1
successful prosecution

Can you see the impact of islam on muslims nations?

basilico:
A historical perspective of how Muslims have always used muhammad example of rading, looting and demanding ransom from non muslims - still going on today in areas conflict

How Thomas Jefferson Responded to Islam in 1801 Puts Barack H. Obama to Shame [READ]

The current War on Terror isn’t the first time that America has battled Islamic fighters overseas. During the Jefferson administration, the United States went to war with the so-called “Barbary states” – Morocco, Tripoli, Tunis, and Algiers. It was the first declared war on foreign soil in U.S. history (H/T YoungCons).

These four Muslim states controlled much of the Mediterranean, engaging in piracy on the high seas against ships from “infidel” countries. They would demand large tributes from a nation in exchange for “protection” from the caliphate as their ships passed through. If the nation refused, state-sponsored corsairs (think: pirates) would capture the ships and enslave the sailors.

This was a problem long before Jefferson became president. In 1786, Jefferson and John Adams met with the Tripoli’s ambassador to Great Britain to demand to know by what right the Muslim states could attack another nation’s ships and enslave the sailors. The response is revealing.

Jefferson recorded the ambassador’s response, in which he said that Islam “was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Qur’an, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”

Full story here : http://conservativetribune.com/jefferson-on-islam/

Therefore it is islamic to rob infidels. What a religion.

ShaheedBinAliyu:
that's exactly why I said you should not argue on issue you don't understand. hadith is not 100% trustable. there are so many famous hadith that its full of lies. we have scholars studying just hadith only. we have weak,dull and strong hadith..

not all hadith is trustable. any hadith that contradict Quran and common sense isn't allowed. like I said, the hadith concerning age of ayeesha is a lie.. its just attributed to bukhari. if you have followed the site I gave you and read the truth about ayeesha age.. you wont be disturbing me again

You are yet to answer my questions. If some hadiths are not written by Bukhari but attributed to him, who wrote them and how did they find their ways into islamic records?

basilico:
Last year Iraqi parliament sought to pass a law to emulate the prophet of Islam .

The draft law would cover Iraq’s Shia citizens and residents, a majority of the population of 36 million. It includes provisions that prohibit Muslim men from marrying non-Muslims, legalizes marital rape by stating that a husband is entitled to have sex with his wife regardless of her consent, and prevents women from leaving the house without permission from their husbands. The law would automatically grant custody over any child age two or older to the father in divorce cases, lower the marriage age to nine for girls and fifteen for boys, and even allow girls younger than nine to be married with a parent’s approval.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/03/11/iraq-dont-legalize-marriage-9-year-olds

Is it that you are stupid or you think we are stupid?

Thank you bro.

Because islam is falsehood, muslims need to lie to defend it, i.e they need a lie to defend a lie. Their conscience has been blocked by the Devil (allahh). It is a pity.

Kudducini:
Una Still Dey On Top This My GOD VS your GOD challenge

Yes o !

Mine is God but his is god. It is only a god people worship like an arabian idol.

See it here:

https://www.nairaland.com/2644778/islam-meccans-religions-before-it

Qasim6:
truthman or whatever u call ursef, u v bin thrashed, so stop making a fool of ur self.

Quran says Muhammad is DEPTH OF DARKNESS, don't you believe the quran anymore?

How do you as a muslim trash the quran?

Stop deceiving yourself o !

ShaheedBinAliyu:
are you blind or you can't understand simple English? I said those hadith is fake and it was attributed to them .... true and real hadith can never ever contradict Quran or common sense.

Then, who wrote them and how did they find theirt ways into islamic records. Go to an islamic site called hadithcollection.com or any other islamic site and you will find the hadith you are claiming is false there.

Besides, you have no PROOF that it is false. Your claim is baseless.

ShaheedBinAliyu:
go to the site and read if you want knowledge



concerning hadith.... yeah.. some of the hadith's was written by kufars and munafiks... spreading false sayings and deeds about prophet Muhammad... that's why I told you never to argue about what you don't understand

So Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslims kufars? Prove.

Is like you have done no search, hence your inability to give the link.

If Muhammad violated the islamic law of marrying a mature girl, that was not the only instance.

See: https://www.nairaland.com/2271492/how-muhammad-violating-quran-impunity

mubarakopeyemi:
bla bla bla

Exhausted !!

mubarakopeyemi:
this is what I said earlier
Anything else u can carry is a
VACUOUS SCIAMACHY

See what your quran says:
[Quran 33:43] ''He it is Who sends
blessings on you, as do His
angels, that He may bring you out
from the DEPTTHS OF DARKNESS to
Light: and He is Full of Mercy to
the believers''

Is that your VACUOUS SCIAMACHY or the quran?

As a prophet, was he supposed to be in darkness and allahh praying (blessing) him to come out?

If a leader is in darkness what about the followers?

mubarakopeyemi:
No. Say as contained in your world of lies.

Lol!

I quote quran and hadith and readers know that is the truth. What you say doesn't count as your mind is made up not to accept the lies of your religion as contained in your quran and hadith.

ShaheedBinAliyu:
like I said... never argue in any discussion you have no knowledge about. hadith is just like bible.. hadith can only be accepted if it's reasonable or doesn't go against Qur'an... tell me what is reasonable in a prophet of God marrying 9 year old girl.. apart from that , Qur'an said to marry a lady who has reach puberty.. has 9 year old girl reach puberty? am talking of then not now..

to read about the true age of ayeesha with proofs.. visit google or go to shah tech arming.

Why not paste your search here?

Those who wrote the hadith, are they Christians or muslims. Why should they write something against their religion?

mubarakopeyemi:
OK you're not a lair.

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You only tell lies

Therefore I tell the lies as contained in your quran and hadith.

mubarakopeyemi:

You're a Liar
All u carry is fool!shness and Stupidity.
Anything else u may/can carry is just a Vacuous Sciamachy

I quote the quran and sometimes the hadith. It means your quran and hadith are the foolishness.

Quran says Muhammad was in depth of darkness, is it not foolishness of the highest order to follow such a person as your leader? Am I the one who said he was in darkness?