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mubarakopeyemi:
alaye leave story. moses prayed in form of solat oyah!
Moses prayed as we Muslim pray.

Where did you find that lie?
Tell me where Moses as a Jew did ablution and faced kaaba when praying.

aminusanti:
Lack of proper knowledge is what leading u to all dis...after explaining to you in my previous posts d difference btw worshiping the creator and the creation yet u are still asking this..

First of all, Islam is not a new religion. Literally meaning “submission to the Will of God”, and idolators worship other things besides GOD. Islam is the only religion which is not named after a people, a place, or an individual. It is the religion of all of the prophets including Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus, and Muhammad (peace be upon them all), to name a few.

The Muslim practice of standing, bowing, kneeling, and prostrating in worship is not foreign to past traditions. prophets were all sent as warners and guide to humans on how to live life and gradually introducing way of worship but unfortunately people failed to understnd. look to the examples of the prophets (peace be upon them all) given in the Torah and the Gospel, then they would find themselves praying like Muslims. Here’s proof....... pls go and read dis verses with open mind
Genesis 17:1-4
Deuteronomy 5:6-9
Psalm 95:6 O
Deuteronomy 9:24-25
Revelations 7:11-12
Joshua 7:6-7
Matthew 26:39
Matthew 26:36-39

After reading and understanding the verses above u will come to d understanding GOD messages were gradually introduced to people and all the prophets have similarities in thier way of worshiping our creator.

Muslims follow the Religion OF Jesus; the faith that he spoke of and practiced. Likewise, We worship The same God that he worshipped; The God of Abraham and The God of all of the Prophets whom lived on Earth.
 
Whereas today you people who claim to follow the way of Jesus, Abraham, and Moses (peace be upon them) have deviated from the path. And in the case of Christianity, people have mistakenly created an entire faith about the Prophet Jesus and thus have made him into something that he never claimed to be.

The lies you have been taught stick hard to your mind.

Firstly, see how you have been deceived: You said Moses was a muslim, right? Moses was a Jew who received the laws for the Jews. Are the Jews muslims? Answer the question. The quran is a total lie for saying Abraham, Moses, Jews and other Bible prophets were muslims. Submission to God does not mean doing so islamically. The Jews and Christians submit to God but not islamically as we don't perform islamic rituals. The word islam (which you call submission) to God is a deceptive word coined out by satan to deceive.

None of those passages you quoted in the Bible shows they were praying islamically:

They didn't perform ablution i.e washing the head, mouth, hands, leg, noise etc at the same time and not as a routine and no facing Kaaba or saying allau akbar. Bowing down is an act of respect to a superior in many cultures, so bowing down to God in the Bible does not mean islamic prayer. We bow down to God in the church but no islamically.Even in Yorubaland we prostrate to elders.

So, stop deceiving your self.

gearcoin:
I laugh at your ignorant ! I know your delusional diseases are plenty, that is why you always go and copy many gilberish from anti-islamic website and paste in your thread.



Why must you believe in my gracious and wonderful book ( quran ) ? it is not a must for you now, if you do and die like that who will occupy hell fire. Afterall, billions of people believe in quran, so therefore, for you to not believe in it is useless but it will do you a great success to reason with your brain and appreciate good things (quran) .
If the quran was from devil, why is it that same book always curse that satan each time we want to read it. Or are you saying devil will like to curse himself. no of course.

see what muslims say before reading quran :

“…I seek refuge in God from Satan the accursed.”

also read this :

Surah 26:210-212

The devils did not bring it (the Quran) down. It is not meet for them, nor is it in their power, Lo! verily they are banished from the hearing.

GUY ! please dont be banished from hearing. reason with your brain. is that ok ? good.

moreover, If devil is the author, can he say somthing against himself. Hell no ! read below :

Surah 2:168

O mankind! Eat of that which is lawful and wholesome in the earth, and follow not the footsteps of the devil. Lo! he is an open enemy for you.



Yes, For the first time you say somthing true, Just just need to know that prophet Muhammad is ALSO the last prophet. All prophets testify to the same God. correct 100%.

Each prophet conveyed the consistent divine message of worshiping one God and living a morally upright life. However, the message of these prophets was lost, abandoned, or changed over time, with only parts of the original message remaining intact. God sent Muhammad (pbuh) as the final prophet to all of humanity in the 7th century C.E. to restore the divine message of all prophets.

“Say, ‘We believe in God and in what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and what was given to Moses, Jesus, and all the prophets by their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we devote ourselves to Him.’” (Quran, 2:136)



Guy come and learn !

All Prophets of GOD Almighty bowed down to Him, the Almighty, in the direction of His Holy Temple or House. infacts, It's all over the Bible and outside the Bible. Here is an example from the your Bible:

"I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 138:2)"

Dude ! also note that The black stone in the kaabah was a meteorite that was sent down by Allah Almighty to Prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael, peace be upon both of them, to give the precise location of where the Kaaba was to be built by them. You already know that Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba nah , so no problem with that. The black stone is placed in one of the corners of the Kaaba, and it serves as a starting and ending point for the muslim that go to meccah for Hajj every year. IF YOU CAN FOLLOW ME THERE , I WILL SHOW YOU PROPER.

Infact, abraham and his son have worshipped there and since we ,muslim see all prophets similar , we are commanded by GOD to go there if we can afford it. HOPE THAT CLEAR YOUR IGNORANT RIGHT ! GOOD.


NA LIE ! Jesus was not sent to you and me. he was only sent to isrealite. read :

matt 15:23-25 But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, "Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us." 24 But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." 25 But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, "Lord, help me!"…

Guy if i see you saying this thing again i will cane you mercilessly.

it was prohet muhammad that was sent to the whole world read :

"We have not sent you (O Muhammad) but as a universal (Messenger) to men giving them glad tidings and warning them (against sin) but most men understand not." (Quran: 34/28)


GUY ! STOP DECEIVING YOU SELF. JESUS DOES NOT KNOW YOU AND HE WILL DENY YOU IN THE HEAVEN

YOU ARE FOLLOWING PAUL THE DECEIVER AND INDIRECTLY SATAN. INFACT SATAN LOVE YOU. HE WANT YOU TO DIE LIKE THAT SO THAT YOU CAN JOIN HIM.

You have been deeply deceived. It is a pity.

Holy Temple in the Bible is not Kaaba, it is the Temple of Jerusalem. It seems you don't know there was a temple called the Temple of Jerusalem. Google it for your education.

No prophet of God visited Kaaba, the house of 360 idols. None of them performed islamic rituals because that was what idolaters used to do. Islam is a continuation of idolatry as allahh himself was one of the idols.

So it is you idolaters Jesus will recognize? Jesus didn't visit Mecca to worship idol, it is you doing it he will recognize. Self-deceiver.

gearcoin:
It is not a must for you to believe oo. As long as others believe that , then, no problem.

See how jesus will deny you in the heaven :

Quran 5:116 --- And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

Whether or not you believe it, quran you are quoting is not from the true God. It is the handiwork of Satan to deceive mankind.

All prophets came testifying of the same God with the same messages. None of them visited Kaaba to worship islamically. The way muslims worship allahh is the same way idolaters worship their idols. It shows islam is satan's strategy to pitch mankind against the true God through idolatry. No wonder satan sacrifices many human lives in Mecca annually.

Islam is not in God's plan as Jesus
Gospel is God's final message to
the world:

And this GOSPEL of the kingdom
shall be preached in ALL the
WORLD for a witness unto ALL
NATIONS and then SHALL THE
END COME (Mat. 24:14).

God's plan is that it is the GOSPEL
that will be preached till the end
of the world, then who sent
Muhammad to bring islam? Satan.

maverickboy:
Then you are guilty of interpolation.



Gosh, you really are making me want to vomit! I know you didn't click the link, so how did you know it has no Hadith?

Even the historical background of the sura I put up there is very genuine and no other account was presented to explain the event that led to its revelation.
Besides, is Tafsir possible without Hadith? learn, and stop pretending to know what you know next to nothing about.

Hahaha... This man is really something!

maverickboy:
Then you are guilty of interpolation.



Gosh, you really are making me want to vomit! I know you didn't click the link, so how did you know it has no Hadith?

Even the historical background of the sura I put up there is very genuine and no other account was presented to explain the event that led to its revelation.
Besides, is Tafsir possible without Hadith? learn, and stop pretending to know what you know next to nothing about.

Hahaha... This man is really something!

No doubt Yahweh is not the same as allahh, apart from the confirmation in quran 109, the way muslims worship allahh is the way meccan idolaters worship their idols. No prophets of God before Muhammad went to Mecca to worship Yahweh islamically. Moses, Jesus and other did talk about it. If Kaaba is truly the house of Yahweh from the time of Abraham, why didn't any of Yahweh's prophets go there to worship islamically or did allah forget to put that in the quran?

gearcoin:
Lozzz !
I surely believe that you will have hypentension one day over islam.
A better way to deal with you is to wine you small and later seeing you typing giberish. Ahaaa.
You continue jumping from muhammad and now Allah. What a pained somebody !
Am very happy all what you typed over there do not change the fact that ISLAM WILL DOMINATE THE WORLD . PEOPLE ARE SEEING THE LIGHT OF ISLAM.

Read this by : Philip Jenkins, author of 'Jesus Wars

[b]"Much to my surprise, the Islamic scriptures in the Quran were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the Bible.
Philip Jenkins, author of 'Jesus Wars'
Violence in the Quran, he and others say, is largely a defense against attack.

"By the standards of the time, which is the 7th century A.D., the laws of war that are laid down by the Quran are actually reasonably humane," he says. "Then we turn to the Bible, and we actually find something that is for many people a real surprise. There is a specific kind of warfare laid down in the Bible which we can only call genocide."

It is called herem, and it means total annihilation. Consider the Book of 1 Samuel, when God instructs King Saul to attack the Amalekites: "And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them," God says through the prophet Samuel. "But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."

When Saul failed to do that, God took away his kingdom.

"In other words," Jenkins says, "Saul has committed a dreadful sin by failing to complete genocide. And that passage echoes through Christian history. It is often used, for example, in American stories of the confrontation with Indians — not just is it legitimate to kill Indians, but you are violating God's law if you do not."[/b]

Guy ! NO BODY CARE ON WHAT U SAID ABOVE. IF YOU LIKE DIE ON IT . THAT IS YOUR OWN PROBLEM. BUT, DONT SAY WE DID NOT WARN YOU.

Stop deceiving yourself.

You saw a hadith and quranic verse supporting it and the next nonsense you would say is quoting the statements of ignorant men who do not understand spiritual things and not even the quran. Who is right, the men or the quran? I pity you !

maverickboy:
[b]Historical Background of the Sura:

There was a time in Makkah when although a storm of
opposition had arisen in the pagan society of Quraish
against the message of Islam preached by the Holy
Prophet (upon whom be peace), yet the Quraish chiefs
hall not yet lost hope that they would reach some sort
of a compromise with him. Therefore, from time to time
they would visit him with different proposals of
compromise so that he accepted one of them and the
dispute between them was brought to an end. In this
connection, different traditions have been related in the
Hadith .
According to Hadrat Abdullah bin Abbas, the Quraish
proposed to the Holy Prophet; "We shall give you so
much of wealth that you will become the richest man of
Makkah. We shall give you whichever woman you like in
marriage. We are prepared to follow and obey you as
our leader, only on the condition that you will not speak
ill of our gods. If you do not agree to this, we present
another proposal which is to your as well as to our
advantage."
When the Holy Prophet asked what it was, they said
that if he would worship their gods, Lat and Uzza, for a
year, they would worship his God for the same space of
time. The Holy Prophet said: "Wait awhile; let me see
what my Lord commands in this regard."
Thereupon the revelation came down: Qul ya-ayyuhal-
kafirun... and: Qul afa-ghair Allahi... (Az-Zumar: 64):
"Say to them: ignorant people, do you bid me to
worship others than Allah?" (Ibn Jarir, Ibn Abi Hatim,
Tabarani). According to another tradition from Ibn
Abbas, the Quraish said to the Holy Prophet: "O
Muhammad, if you kiss our gods, the idols, we shall
worship your God.Thereupon, this Surah was sent down.
(Abd bin Humaid).[/b]
englishtafsir.com/quran/109/index.html
By the way, can I know the translation version you are repeatedly quoting. Your own

My quote is from Pickthal translation.

The long essay you posted has no substance. It is a write-up of some muslims without quranic or hadith backing. Tafsir means interpretation of the quran, how were they able to interpret quran 109 after many years of Muhammad death as they were not yet born then? Note that only Muhammad could receive revelations from allahh, from whom did they get that information from as they didn't meet Muhammad on earth?

So, to form a defence for the quran, any muslim or group of muslims can just interpret it to suit their purpose. Tomorrow another muslim will search the internet and give us another different interpretation to the same verse. This is my experience on nairaland.

For me, I have used quran 9:29 to interpret 109 and that makes a lot of sense rather than using a formulated story to interpret it.

maverickboy:
As much as I know, that Surah wasn't addressing Christians or Jews as such, no interpreter would put those words there. I'm very sure you are responsible for that interpolation, and it's very wrong- it's plain corruption.

I'm now assuming this's too complicated for you to understand. Or maybe you are enjoying your folly. Either ways, I don't think I may be of help.

Who was the verse referring to, state with proof?

Are the Jews and Christians not disbelievers (kafir) in islam?

[Quran 9:29] Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture (i.e the Jews and Christians) as believe not in Allah......

That verse says the Jews and Christians do not believe in allahh, right? Are they not DISBELIEVERS in islam?

[Quran 109:1] Say: O disbelievers! (i.e the Jews and Christians who didn't believe in allahh)
2. I worship not that which ye worship;
3. Nor worship ye that which I worship.

As the Jews and Christians do not believe in allahh but Yahweh, who is this allahh who said he is not Yahweh? He must be an arabian idol, the head of the 360 idols inside Kaaba, and the one worshiped in Muhammad's family, whom Abdullai (meaning servant of allahh) was named after and who falsely claimed to be God. But his actions and the way he is worshiped like other idols in Mecca show is the head of the arabian idols.

The Devil used Muhammad to make his father's idol, which coincidentally was the head of Meccans' idol the only god to be recognized. So, when muslims talk about oneness of god, what they are saying in reality is cancellation of other idols to remain only allahh the head.

I think you must appreciate this islamic free education.

Annunaki:
Their allahh is a clearly confused and very dishonest deity.

Correct !

Wicked and deceitful arabian god, allahh.

He kept abrogating his own revelations and making Muhammad to forget some. If he is God, why was he making mistakes and changing his revelations? Very deceptive.

gearcoin:
See this low life. U think everybody get your time in delusional thinking. You know nah. Check all my previous amswers to your ignorant question; see how i exposed them all.

This is your problem. All of you will go to anti islamic website to copy all the lies and paste it here .how did u expect sane people to devote his time to treat your delusional sickness. And of which , if someone did , you will continue jumping from one question to others.
The best way is to leave you in your delusional thinking and see your BP rising up.

For you information, all your post here make me more strong in my belief in islam and forever it will be .God punish the devil.

Pathetic.

Was it not you who said in your first post on this thread that other religion should not be insulted for which your brothers were claiming islam is peaceful? But look at your subsequent posts contradicting yourself. Serious!

Islam is from the Devil. It is the religion of the hypocrites, saying one thing and doing a different thing. May God deliver you from allahh the Devil. Allahh said he is a Deceiver and so are his faithfuls.

Even in the quran, allahh said there is no COMPULSION in religion (quran 2:256) to deceive the people. He later ate his words by giving command to his killer squads (Muhammad and his terrorists) to carry out genocide on the non-muslims. What a devil called allahh. Saying one thing and doing another to deceive. Satan!

Qur'an (2:193) - "And fight them until persecution is no more, AND RELIGION BE ONLY FOR ALLAH. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers."

The key phrase is to fight until "religion be only for Allah."

Look at the statement coming from the Devil (allahh) who once said there is no COMPULSION in religion.

Look at this again in agreement with the above quranic verse. I know you will not be able to hide under the lie that the hadith is fabricated as it agrees with the unholy quran:

Sahih Muslim (1:33) The Messenger of Allah said: "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay zakat."
Yet he said no COMPULSION in religion. I feel sad for muslims

May God deliver humanity from allahh the Devil before he finishes mankind through islamic terrorism, amen.

maverickboy:
caught in a corner? you'd better wake up!

I think you should bring it out where Quran used Yahwe for God.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

Wikipeadia is not a Scripture. Information there are not written by spiritual but ordinary people. Tell me, what is the source of their information.

maverickboy:
The name was already in existence before Muhammed. Allah and its cognates were being used in preislamic era amongst semetic language speaking people. Each prophet used the rendition of the name, so it doesn't necessary that they used Allah.


Well, there is no evidence that Yahweh is a correct form of the name. The fact that Jesus and John that happened to be the most recent biblical prophet never used it also add to its suspicion.

And do you know Yahweh was one of the pantheist's gods? Just like the english word "God", it was later adopted by seeming monotheist as creator God. In essence, Yahweh was a character promoted to the level of god - idolized, and later on adopted as the supreme deity in Israel.

I doubt you read what's written there yourself.

This's your mere wording, and it holds no authority over what I believe. Many Christians believe they can hold Muslims ransom by saying Muslims and Christians don't worship the same God. But that tactic will only work on a Muslim that doesn't know who (s)he worships.

Allah himself confirms he is not Yahweh that the Jews and Christians worship:

Quran 109:1] Say: O disbelievers! (i.e the Jews and Christians who didn't believe in allahh)
2. I worship not that which ye worship;
3. Nor worship ye that which I worship.
4. And I shall not worship that which ye worship.
5. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
6. Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.

Who is this allahh and why did he claim Yahweh's prophets as his own?

gearcoin:
It pains him !!! Buhaaaaa

All my point here are in response to what you raised in this thread. As long as my answer exposed your lies , no problem with that.
I expected you to replied me inline to inline .

Note, am not here to treat your ignorance disease completly. At least, I have treated many.All thank to God for that.

And remember , no body can defend islam rather than his creator [Allah] And for all lies about your post about The prophet shall be futile. Read this:

In the name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
Lo! We have given thee Abundance; So pray unto thy Lord, and sacrifice. Lo! It is thy insulter (and not thou) who is without posterity.

Lol !!!

I know you wouldn't be able to answer the questions and that is why you tried to derail the thread. You are doing yourself a great eternal harm discovering the FALSEHOOD of Muhammad as a prophet and allahh as the true God and yet stick to the FALSEHOOD.

maverickboy:
Why should I eave undisputed name for disputed one?

Who is disputing the name?

Does your quran accuse the Jews and Christians of the name of their God?

It is you islamists on nairaland that are disputing the name without authentic proof, just because you are caught in a corner.

gearcoin:
Yes, Christians don't fight wars. Christians don't take vengeance. If anyone fights or retaliate his is on his own, not representing Jesus. It is the muslims that recite the quran when slaughtering infidels.

It is now glaring how you shoot yourself in the foot. if you claim christians dont fight wars, see what you wrote earlier here : "lead to the fact that the wars in the Bible are nations against another enemy nations and they were conventional as it is still happening today " . If these people are not christian, why are they fighting war, why are they seeking for veangeance. they should have folded their hand and wait for God to come down from heaven and fight for them. See your life.

Or if christians do not fight war, why this verse from your bible : DT 20:13-14 "When the Lord delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the males .... As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves.".
dude , see how your yansh is being exposed.




ignorant folk ! stop blabbing. we muslims believe in the quran and hadith. Remember there are many hadiths that are formulated by many people like you. It is only quran is free from your formulation and unthenthic hadiths from good source. We muslims know them. there are some parameters we used to measured them. if you want to learn more , go and join good islamic class (not boko haram class), you will know it better.
as for the qutote you quoted , there is no chain of tramissions, no source for it, etc). Therefore the chainless narrations/stories found in Ibn Ishaq's book 120 years after the Prophet's death are false. As Muslims only accept the Quran and Hadith only to be 100% true. We don't accept most of Ibn Ishaq, Al-Waqidi or Al-Tabari.
So therefore, have this to your skull that your quotation is not valid one. hope you get that. If i see you quoting that sentence in this forum again , you will be canned thouroughly. hope you understand.good.




Ignorant as usual ! why cant you quote the whole hadith verse. here i quote:
Suhail reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) [b]said on the Day of Khaibar: I shall certainly give this standard in the hand of one who loves Allah and his Messenger and Allah will grant victory at his hand. Umar b. Khattab said: Never did I cherish for leadership but on that day. I came before him with the hope that I may be called for this, but Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) called 'Ali b. Abu Talib and he conferred (this honour) upon him and said: Proceed on and do not look about until Allah grants you victory, and 'Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people? Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger, and when they do that then their blood and their riches are inviolable from your hands but what is justified by law and their reckoning is with Allah.[/b]

Let me lecture you small (if you will listen). ...that incident happen during the war of khaibar.

Khaibar was an ancient settlement 300 km from Madinah on the road to Syria. When the emperors of Rome and Persia banished the Jews from their countries, they settled in Khaibar. Dude , are you following ! good.

With the advent of Islam, Banu Nadhir tribe was expelled from Madinah by the Muslims for attempting to assassinate Rasullulah (peace and blessing be upon him) and breaking the Treaty that was binding between them and the Muslims.
The masses of Jews living in Khaibar were the strongest, the richest, and the best equipped for war of all the people of Arabia. They were more attached to their religion, Their hatred and bitterness for the Muslims surpassed that of the Quraish and you of course.

ignorant folk! see how the war started :

The hatred for the Muslims was deep rooted and they decided to prepare and march on Madinah and destroy them for ever from the face of the earth. The Banu Quraizah and Banu Nadhir were foremost in this conspiracy since they were banished from Madinah in a disgraceful manner. They drew up war pacts with all the Jewish tribes. They promised the Arab tribe of Ghatffan half the yearly produce of Madinah as their share when victory was achieved. The Munafiqeen called hyprocrite, led by Abdullah ibn Ubay ibn Sulool promised the Jews their support in order to defeat the Muslims.

Now , see muhammad (p.b.u.h) responded :.....

[b]Rasullulah (peace and blessing be upon him) was well informed of the activities and preparations of the Jews. However, his love for peace and the fear of plunging his faithful Sahaba (R.A.) into a bloodbath against the unrelenting enemy compelled him to try and reason with the Jews. He sent Hazrat Abdullah Ansaari (R.A.) to Sallaam ibn Abu Al-Huqayq the leader of Jews to negotiate for peace. But Salaam ibn Abu Huqaya became arrogant and abusive towards the Muslims. Hazrat Abdullah Ansaari (R.A.) executed him and returned safely to Madinah.

The Jews were prepared to the hilt to go out and attack Madinah. Meanwhile, Rasulullah (peace and blessing be upon him)'s strategy with the advice of the Sahaba (R.A.) was to attack the Jews in their own stronghold. In Muharram 7 A.H. 1600 Muslims left Madinah and made camp at Rajee, which was a strategic position between the Jews and the Banu Ghataffaan. Some Muslim women also accompanied the Sahaba (R.A.) to render assistance to the sick and wounded. Among them was Hazrat Umme Salma (R.A.). For the first time an Islamic standard banner was introduced with three flags. One flag was prepared from the shawl of Hazrat Ayesha bint Abu Bakr (R.A.) and this was entrusted to Hazrat Ali ibn Abu Talib (R.A.).

The first encounter the Muslim faced was with Banu Ghatafaan. When they saw the Muslims, they changed their minds and fled into their territory leaving the Jews to fight their own battle.

After disposing of the Banu Ghatafaan, Rasulullah (peace and blessing be upon him) ordered the Muslims to camp for the night and attack the Jews in the morning. Rasulullah (peace and blessing be upon him) and his Sahaba (R.A.) crossed the distance between Khaibar and Madinah in three days. The Jews of Khaibar did not learn of their move until the Muslim forces stood in front of their fortifications. In the morning when the Khaibar workmen went out of their homes to go to their plantations, they saw the Muslims army for the first time. The workmen ran away shouting to one another, 'there is Muhammed (peace and blessing be upon him) and his army'. At the first sign of dawn, two famous Jewish warriors Marhab and Yaasir came out of their fort with great show of bravery and chivalry and challenged any of the Muslims to single combats as was the custom in such warfare.[/b]

The faith of muslims is defended and the war was won by muslim and Rasulullah (peace and blessing be upon him) and the Sahaba (R.A.) returned from Khaibar and Hazrat Ja'far ibn Abu Talib (R.A.) and the Muslims returned from Abyssinia. The envoys of Nabi (peace and blessing be upon him) returned from those lands where they had been sent and all of them were reunited in Madinah. Rasulullah (peace and blessing be upon him) was so pleased to be re-united with his cousin, Hazrat Ja'far ibn Abu Talib (R.A.) that he said he could not tell which was greater:
'Victory over Khaibar or reunion with Ja'far'.

The Muslims were safe in Madinah where they led a prosperous and peaceful life. As the year came to a close, in the month of Dhul Qadah, Rasulullah (peace and blessing be upon him) set out with 1400 Sahaba (R.A.) to perform the 'Umrah', in accordance with the provisions of the Hudaybiyah Treaty, and to satisfy the Muslim longing to visit the Holy Haram (Ka'ba) and perform the 'Umrah'.

now is there a crime in defending someone faith from violence people that hate you from being in existence ?
Dude , your yansh has been exposed here again. If i see you in this forum twisting this hadith again, you will be flogged mercilessly with my cane. hope you hear that. Good.

There is no Song of Song in the Bible, I don't know where you got that. It must be the handiwork of islamic fraudsters.

Why are you like this ? must you remain in your deluded mind.
I SAID GO TO WIKIPAEDIA AND TYPE SONG OF SONG. YOU WILL KNOW THAT IT CAN ALSO CALLED SONG OF SOLOMON.
OR CANT YOU SEE THIS : 7:1-4, 8-9. PLEASE USE YOUR BRAIN.

Look man, you are boring me with your ignorance. When I said war in the Bible, did I mean fought by the Christians? Don't you know the OT is Jewish and the NT Christians?

Wikipaedia is not a Scripture. Information there are the opinions of ordinary and not spiritual people, many of them written by muslims.

Leave all these issues that are irrelevant to the topic of the thread and face the reality.

The OP proves with a hadith that Muhammad was in lust for women, which a true prophet cannot do, true or false? Explain.

Allah in a hadith said he has fixed adultery for all muslims, which they must of necessity commit, which a true God cannot say, true or false? Explain.

Allahh says muslims are permitted to marry a maximum of 4 wives, Muhammad, number one muslim violated the revelation by marrying 11 and enforced 4 on others, which is not a good example by a true prophet of God, true or false? Explain.

As if 4 or 11 wives are not enough, allahh also permitted muslims to be sleeping with slaves, meaning they were r.aping women as they were not their lovers, which true people of God are not expected to do, true or false? Explain.

Now that there are no more slaves in the world, what would the muslims be using to complement their wives so as not to r.ape baby girls of their neighbours? Explain.Didn't allahh know a time was coming when there would be no slaves available or the quran is not meant for all ages? Explain.

Those are the questions raised in the OP, limit yourself to them and stop the irrelevant talks. If you have no answers, keep mute. Also bear in mind that you are not expected to shift the blame to the Bible as if Muhammad was using the sins committed by individuals in the Bible as an excuse for his own sins.

Pyrrho:
Muslims on the thread are pretending not to understand what the Op is saying.

You muslims believe in Allah, the God of moses(musa), jesus(isa), abraham(ibrahim).
In their own original language, God was called Yahweh, or Yehovah...

Why can't you all adopt the name of God in jewish language if this is true?

Or is your Allah not yahweh?

Or is your allah not Yahweh?

I wonder o !!!

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gearcoin:

Guy ! why are you brainwashed like this. so christians can kill also during war right ? But chritianity doesnt believe in vegeance during war. why now ! i thought you said muslim like to kill .I even see many of you saying christianity doesnt fight and kill for war. See hypocrisy !

You have succeeded in derailing the thread because you have no defence for the OP.

Yes, Christians don't fight wars. Christians don't take vengeance. If anyone fights or retaliate his is on his own, not representing Jesus. It is the muslims that recite the quran when slaughtering infidels.

Muhammad (p.b.u.h) doesnt ask muslims to kill non believer. If it is true, Saudi arabia or dubai would have done that since. All those verses most of you like to quoted was explaining a self defence for muslims to cover themselves from violent unbelievers. I repeat , ealy muslims do not start a war but they do defend themselves from any attack

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Here you tell muslims' usual lie again. Muhammad or allahh commanded killing infidels. The wars were not self-defence but first attacks. Find the evidences here:

We met the workers of Khaybar coming out in the morning with their spades and baskets. When they saw the apostle and the army they cried, “Muhammad with his force,” and turned tail and fled… The apostle seized the property piece by piece… (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 757)

How did the workers doing their job attack Muhammad first ? They saw Muhammad with his evil force coming and they fled, how did the fleeing people attack Muhammad first ? Muhammad seized their propertie and stole them, oleee !!!

When the apostle raided a people he waited until the morning. If he heard a call to prayer he held back; if he did not hear it he attacked. We came to Khaybar by night, and the apostle passed the night there; and when morning came he did not hear the call to prayer, so he rode and we rode with him. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 757)

Muhammad was waiting to see if the people have accepted islam by praying islamically, and because they did not, he waged war against them. How was this a self-defence? Liars.

Allah's Messenger called Ali [and said]: “Proceed on and do not look about until Allah grants you victory,” and Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: “Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?” Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: ”Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger…” (Sahih Muslim 5917)

There, the religion of peace commander, Muhammad, said his jihadists should war against the people till they forcefully surrrender to islam. How was that self-defence? How is islam a religion of peace? Hypocrites!

Who attacked Boko Haram first? Who attacked ISIL, Alshabab and other islamic terrorists first? Hypocrites!!!

I repeat, many of you are ignorant in your scripture. just know that : Song of Songs is also known as the Song of Solomon, the Canticle of Canticles, or simply Canticles. see wikipeadia for reference.

Ignorant? It is you that is a stack illiterate in islam, hence you said muslims fought in self-defence despite the overwhelming evidences against such a claim.

There is no Song of Song in the Bible, I don't know where you got that. It must be the handiwork of islamic fraudsters.

plappville:
Yes, they are so stubborn that. They dont care about how bad islam is. They ready to die believing a lie.

My friend a polish woman yold me how her Portugais husband was embarrassed on Saturday. You know the portugais people are not very white. Their skin look more like the arabian. Innocent people are been tagged terrorist just because of thier skin. Yesterday a turkish man was injured in a bar. The family and friends of victims are beginning to react gradually. We do not know where and what this could lead to..

I am praying for France.

Pathetic.

May God deliver the world from the devil called allahh.

plappville:
Exactly! ! All the promises of allah are turning against them in thier eyes. Allah said Earthquakes will happen only in unbelieve nations we see Earthquake happening in islamic nations today. What about Meccan the safest city??

The Bible says there is no peace with the wicked. Muslims cannot find peace as wicked people.

Quranic inspirations for ISIS:

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"

carinmom:
The path of those whom you have blessed (Muslims ) not of those who incurred your anger (Jews) or those who went astray (Christians).

The fact that you are still looking for the right path shows you are yet to find it, meaning islam that you are in is not the right path.

Demmzy15:
This guy is confused than ever

Liar!

What is the confusion?

Your allahh, an arabia god impersonated the true God, Yahweh. No wonder muslims cannot call allahh by any other name even when speaking English.

maverickboy:
Jews hardly call God by name because they believe it's disrespectful, so they neglected the name for too long time and consequently lost its original form.

And they use El mainly as suffix for names and places related to God. They don't really consider it as God's name.

Also, jehovah is another form of conjectural name for God formed from YHVH which none knows what it really means.

Every name of God in Israel is a conjucture to you, yet you have no proof. So the Israelites have no name for God for several thousands of years. Lie of the Devil.

carinmom:
@Op, Jazakallah khayran and may Allah guide us unto the right path.

Meaning you are still looking for guidance and right path. Jesus is the guidance and the right path you are looking for. Jesus says ''I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE, nobody can come unto God but by me''.

maverickboy:
They lost the correct/original form of the name, so the form 'Yahweh' is a mere conjectural one.

Prove that it is a mere conjecture.

God have many names in Israel including El and Jehovah. You should now say ''El Akbar'' or ''Jehovah Akbar''. Pick whichever appeal to you and let's have your experience.

maverickboy:
What evidence do you have that Yahweh is the correct name?

What was God's name known in Israel?

parisbookaddict:
Song of songs?? Ignorant muslim.. dude which type of al taqiyyah is this. .. if u mean songs of Solomon i have news for u, Solomon was not a prophet. ..if u choose to classify him with mohammed then they have one thing in common, THEY WERE BOTH NOT PROPHETS

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parisbookaddict:
Song of songs?? Ignorant muslim.. dude which type of al taqiyyah is this. .. if u mean songs of Solomon i have news for u, Solomon was not a prophet. ..if u choose to classify him with mohammed then they have one thing in common, they were both not prophets

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Your effort is now in vain.

I symphatize with them. If God will have mercy on them, they will be born again.

Do those people come to nairaland? I doubt it because it is only the children of perdition that would read about the evil of islam and still embrace it.

You islamists believe anybody bearing a Christian name is Christian, no. The fact that one is born by Christian parents does not make him one. He must willfully and personally decide for Christ and must know when he/she does so.

The converts to islam (if true because muslims are up to any lie) could not be real or born-again Christians.

plappville:
The truth should be revealed. Many do not know what they worship. What Jesus told the samaritan woman is still valid today. Muslims who truelly seek the true God will embrace Christ after all this clear evidence that shows that islam is just a religion Satan is uaing to reduce the world population.



◄ John 4:22 ►
You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews


Jeaus is telling the Muslims same thing today.

True talk !!!

Muslims worship the god they don't know. They erroneously believe allahh is the true God.

@ tartar9
Have you started trying it?