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A riveting account of human dynamism. Accounts such as this serve to remind and reassure youths of achieving success through hard work. So long, great Prof Awojobi

Agimor:
What nairalanders refer to as frt page.

A riveting account of human dynamism. Accounts such as this serve to remind and reassure youths of achieving success through hard work. So long, great Prof Awojobi

tete7000:
Many of these happen because their is mutual distrust between the political parties I guess. Any other option as far as PDP is concerned will resort to working with a house largely dominate by APC members. They probably think that doing so might deny Wike his mandate as the majority might work to scuttle his being sworn in until Buhari's govt comes in

Let me give you Ekiti scenario. 7 PDP lawmakers are the majority whilst the 19 APC law makers are the minority. without force option how can that happen. no way. Fayose could have found away of working with the legislative majority instead of the coercive majority. in rivers also, PDP could have gone to court and get a court order directing the most senior judge to act as CJ for the purpose of swearing in. The bottom line is that your solution or choice in a DEMOCRATIC space, not criminal space, must not depend on force to succeed. sooner or later it will collapse. PDP though popular in many places, yet the leaders take even party members for granted until elections. All APC had to do was to present a man that naturally attract millions of followers and ensure that rigging is impossible. APC victory came more from ideological support than a pragmatic support. PDP must up its game after may 29.

tete7000:
Hmm! So in essence we are in for another long legal tussle?

I hope not. It is not in the interest of the masses to be without a defacto gotv at least. But it appears to me that PDP consistently fail to evaluate all options because of a default option force. By may 29, that option will cease to function. Then they will look inward and begin to take fool proof measures in addressing future challenges. Nigeria needs them to challenge APC. But not in this mode that their options depend on the force to work.

tete7000:
But what happens when the tenure of the governor has lapsed and he is no longer constitutionally empowered to make such appointment? Does that mean the governor's office should remain vacant from May 29 at the expiration of Amaechi's tenure or can Amaechi act and make appointment beyond his tenure in office? I want to believe this provision comes into force only on May 29 to avoid creating a vacuum in the office of the state governor. There are many things our constitution never envisaged and this is one of them. It was never envisage the governor of a state will deliberately act to prevent the swearing in of his successor. In line with doctrine of necessity maybe the fg has acted right. If there is disagreement, reprieve can be sought in court but I won't be surprised if the court upholds the decision of this peculiar case and make it a precedence for such future occurence. My opinion though and I no be lawyer o!

Doctrine of necessity is not exercised in vacuo. you must have standing. no necessity can make an igwe appoint a Gov for a state. necessity arises when you are hindered by some technicality. even at that a process must be followed. there is even method to madness in law. you cannot assume powers that does not implicitly belong to you. that is why coupists suspend constitution. you must abolish a known order before you can introduce a new one. the president only channel is a state of emergency. he must state that as a fact whether rightly or wrongly. but he cannot leave a Gov in place and usurp his powers. the CJ himself must wait for a federal gazette in the case of emergency.

PDP cold have gone to court and seek a relief that will enable a judge within jurisdiction to act. a that way the court will be exercising inherent powers.AGF has no such powers. if Wike victory is debateable, his recourse to bayelsa is a textbook example of ultra vires,null and void act

OwerriChairman:
. It seems you ve forgotten the constitutional requirement of declaring a state of emergency on a state. It has to pass through the legislature remember. A legislature that now has APC dominting it. What if they frustrate the emergency bid? You re just playing the devil's advocate with shameful bias. The FG acted constitutionally. Don't you have a hot transformer in your street to hug? Saddist!

Saddist? is that your training wherever you were schooled? What kind of impulse just make someone to just lace his views with sadistic venom? I never said emergency declaration does not have legal issues however the president like obj did in plateau can invoke clear and present danger clause. bottom it is the process that can be questioned not whether he had a role to play ab initio. the implication of what the AGF did is that a judge in any state can now be appointed to carry out the functions of judges in another state without recourse to the NJC. he can seat, adjucate and impose sanctions of law as long as he has the backing of the AGF. or is it limited to the oath of office alone because the section says any of the functions. it means the AGF can be the National Assembly, The President and the NJC for the purpose of appointing a judge to carry out the constitutional duties of a chief justice of Nigeria or at state level mutantis mutandis.
Haaaaaaaaa!

barcanista:
what is happening in this Rivers case is a special one. The Attorney General did not import any judge to serve as CJ in Rivers state, he only exercised the power as conferred on him by Section 185(2). For the record, the said Section did NOT specify that the Governor or an Administrator should be the only person to make the appointment in case like this. It never forbids the FG from exercising such powers, neither did it specify that only members of the State Judiciary should be appointed for such purpose.

The FG is ABSOLUTELY on track for two reasons...
1. Section 185(2) did not specify that only state governor or any arm of the state government should exercise such power. In fact, it was ambigious as to the appointing authority.

2. The issue of "Doctrine of Necessity" has come in. Let me remind you that in 2010, an outgoing CJN swore in his successor which was against the law. But he had to do that because the then President Yaradua was in comatose and the VP was yet to be empowered as AgPresident. The decision of the outgoing CJN stood.
Same 2010, the NASS went out of their way to empower then VP Goodluck Jonathan to function as AgPresident without transmission of letter from the incumbent President Yaradua as specified in the constitution. The decision of NASS stood and GEJ appointed agPresident. (That section was later amended)

The point is you can't leave room for a vacuum. That will cause constitutional crises.

The rule of interpreation here is ejusdem generis. Things that are alike follow one another. when a law says njc,Gov,president, national assembly, house of assembly no more and no less you cannot bring any official that is not in that frame of reference. AGF is not in the frame of reference. Constitution are by judicial precedent read as a whole not section by section. when a part say appoint you mut by law go to the root of appointmentment clause. AGF is not in the appointment clause. In the case of the cjn swearing in another judge, it was because the cjn had constitutional power to administer oath. the doctrine of necessity couldn't have made bayelsa house of assembly to make a VP the acting president. that doctrine was used by an organ that could have done so all things being equal. AGF HAS NO ROLE TO PLAY in the matter the power of AGF is spelt out in Section 174. He has no bearing in appointment of judicial officers. A judge is not answerable to a govt lawyer it is wrong and insulting. the NJC is there. even the president is there at worst. (at worst because his role is also governed by law except for emergency) u

Torkaka, barcanista. I counsel that your arguments are good enough without personal verbal attacks. the beauty of debate by adults suffers a serious disservice if we cannot respectfully disagree with one another.

barcanista:
Section 185(2) is very clear on this matter...
“the Oath of Allegiance and the Oath of Office shall be administered by the Chief. Judge of the state or Grand Khadi of the Sharia Court of Appeal of the state, if any, or President of the Customary
Court of Appeal of the state, if any, or the person for the time being respectively appointed to exercise the functions of any of those offices in any state.”

1. The bolded part never specified who to make the appointment.

2. CJ is not exclusively appointed by Governors. The Governor send nominee(s) to the NJC, the NJC approve and send back to the Governor. The Governor send the name to the House, the House approves and send back to the Governor. The Governor swear-in the CJ of the state.
It is a triple function of the judiciary, legislature and executive. With respect to this case, the constitution never said the Governor should appoint.

3. There is no way that the Governor of Rivers state can even appoint when Courts are on shut down. Which Judge will he appoint? The one that is not on duty or someone from another state?

4. The fG acted in accordance to the law.

5. You are bitter and a very angry nincompoop. It is even a shame that I have to respond to you.

Hope you have learnt? GTFO my mention!

The rules of interpretation forbids importation of scenarios to a broad provision like this. I agree that Wike must be sworn in. but how. choosing the CJ for rivers as in this case is laying a precedent that the FG can just move in based on her own construction of the constitution. these are the kind of avoidable errors that characterized this administration. that the constitution doesn't specify does not mean anyone without a prior appointing authority can arrogate power to appoint to himself. As far as rivers is concerned the appointing authority is the chief executive on the recommendation of NJC. As I said earlier in my first post, the president only has power to declare a/state of emergency. remove the incumbent Gov and appoint an administrator who will then appoint acting CJ. and the deed is done. even this you will only be stretching the constitution. but for AGF to appoint is legally monstrous! it just like adding a section to the constitution instead of stretching the existing provision.

Jorussia:
.d chief judge of bayelsa state coming to administer oath of office in Rivers state?legal experts in d house is dis move constitutional?

It is unconstitutional!
a state of emergency should have been declared by the incumbent president this will pave way for various legal options such as appointment of an acting CJ who will then swear in The Gov. eg. president declares state of emergency on Thursday, appoints administrator. administrator appoints acting CJ on Friday, president removes state of emergency by 11:55pm on Saturday.by 12:01 am on Sunday 29th may, acting CJ swears in Gov. matter goes to court from the point of view of state of emergency. a lot better than a bayelsa judge that has no jurisdiction whatsoever in rivers.

Jorussia:
.d chief judge of bayelsa state coming to administer oath of office in Rivers state?legal experts in d house is dis move constitutional?

It is unconstitutional! the president should have declared a state of emergency should been declared by the incumbent president this will pave way for various legal options such appointment of an acting CJ who will then swear in The Gov. eg. president declares state of emergency on Thursday, appoints administrator. administrator appoints acting CJ on Friday, president removes state of emergency by 11:55pm on Saturday.by 12:01 acting CJ swears in Gov. matter goes to court from the point of view of state of emergency. a lot better than a bayelsa judge that has no jurisdiction whatsoever in rivers

barcanista:
the problem is that the NASS is independent. Their budget is made by them(members), interference of the President will be deemed Gross misconduct and abuse of office, which is an impeachable offence. What should be done is to pressurise the NASS members to adopt a cut in view of the present situation, while the government can propose a cut to the NASS and appeal to them to adopt so as to free some money.

te author=Whynotthetruth post=33879591]

1)...Having noticed their incapacitation in offering good governance hence they must invent all manner of excuses cum blames and heap them on Jonathan administration to take the fall for them...

2)We are in democracy with separation of powers and independence of different arms of government as key. Why would we heap our misgivings of a particular arm on another?...

3)It's in the open that Jonathan administration has reportedly supported budget cut for national assembly and even the executive. Hence some 25% or so cut was accepted. Reason why this notorious reporter and newspaper didn't capture that tells more about their agenda and motive for news such as this...

4)Note that majority of these lawmakers are from the North followed by SouthWest. Hence, you wont be surprised that they are against regionalism. Because the status quo feeds and favours them...

5)If our agitation for regionalism is supported by all and finally granted. Malaise such as these will automatically be wiped out. You don't cure malaria by just taking care of the headache. There are other issues here.

6)I am not against reducing cost of government and governance as it pertains to recurrent expenditure for executive and legislature in the interim. But regionalism should be taken note of and pursued as a way out of lazy system of leadership and parasitic governance.[/quote]e


Lol. Let's move forward.

a tint of loyalty in the face of collective injustice is somewhat puzzling. I never said a single individual is responsible. I am challenging the leaders of APC and PDP on this issue. As for presidency, who knows if NASS got inspiration from the manner the executives cut the cake for themselves? An expatriate once joked remarked that it was impossible to embezzle 1000 in his country because the system will collapse. Why? every shilling has a CRITICAL assignment to carry out. This has nothing to do with GEJ alone but the system he inherited. Whether he should be blamed for assenting it at all depends sadly on our belief system.

I am for regionnalism. But before we create a new class of emperors as we have in the states, let us strengthen the capacity of citizens through the instrumentality of law and law enforcement. let us make leadership financially unattractive. How? Transparent Procurement System.
Contracts must be awarded based on market overt prices not covert. money must be paid into a publicly verifiable account. all expenditures from the account must be done by e-transfer. under this system contract inflation and kick backs will be marginal and in some cases nil.

salaries and allowances of the highest paid public servant must not be 3 times higher than that of a Federal University VC. Tax on property should be paid through bank accounts of property owner. this includes car licensing. Bank accounts will serve as the medium knowing sources of income and the tax payable. In most European countries if you don't have work govt will know through your account. if you have assets higher than normal govt will come after you for explanation.

What does it take to do this. Legislation. It does not need time for maturity. Before you drive a car of five million as the son or cousin of a politician you must be prepared to answer questions. if you get away when you are driving you will not get away when you are renewing your papers.

What is the effect: industrial creativity to earn legitimate money. willingness to work on the part of gold diggers and "short cutters". available of resources for essential social safety nets. mortgage, health, education and security. once you create this legal frame work. Politicians will not have personal money to sway electoral process. they will rely on people to contribute so as to make the system better. Brothers, this is the point where young intellectuals on Nairaland will put their wonderful skills to test in the soap box. You can then have leaders who came to power not because of God fathers or money but majorly because they have ideas the people bought into

Whynotthetruth:
1)...Having noticed their incapacitation in offering good governance hence they must invent all manner of excuses cum blames and heap them on Jonathan administration to take the fall for them...

2)We are in democracy with separation of powers and independence of different arms of government as key. Why would we heap our misgivings of a particular arm on another?...

3)It's in the open that Jonathan administration has reportedly supported budget cut for national assembly and even the executive. Hence some 25% or so cut was accepted. Reason why this notorious reporter and newspaper didn't capture that tells more about their agenda and motive for news such as this...

4)Note that majority of these lawmakers are from the North followed by SouthWest. Hence, you wont be surprised that they are against regionalism. Because the status quo feeds and favours them...

5)If our agitation for regionalism is supported by all and finally granted. Malaise such as these will automatically be wiped out. You don't cure malaria by just taking care of the headache. There are other issues here.

6)I am not against reducing cost of government and governance as it pertains to recurrent expenditure for executive and legislature in the interim. But regionalism should be taken note of and pursued as a way out of lazy system of leadership and parasitic governance.

e

Lol. a tint of loyalty in the face of collective injustice is somewhat puzzling. I never said a single individual is responsible. I am challenging the leaders of APC and PDP on this issue. As for presidency, who knows if NASS got inspiration from the manner the executives cut the cake for themselves? An expatriate once joked remarked that it was impossible to embezzle 1000 in his country because the system will collapse. Why? every shilling has a CRITICAL assignment to carry out. This has nothing to do with GEJ alone but the system he inherited. Whether he should be blamed for assenting it at all depends sadly on our belief system.

I am for regionnalism. But before we create a new class of emperors as we have in the states, let us strengthen the capacity of citizens through the instrumentality of law and law enforcement. let us make leadership financially unattractive. How? Transparent Procurement System.
Contracts must be awarded based on market overt prices not covert. money must be paid into a publicly verifiable account. all expenditures from the account must be done by e-transfer. under this system contract inflation and kick backs will be marginal and in some cases nil.

salaries and allowances of the highest paid public servant must not be 3 times higher than that of a Federal University VC. Tax on property should be paid through bank accounts of property owner. this includes car licensing. Bank accounts will serve as the medium knowing sources of income and the tax payable. In most European countries if you don't have work got will know through your account. if you have assets higher than normal got will come after you for explanation.

What does it take to do this. Legislation. It does not need time for maturity. Before you drive a car of five million as the son or cousin of a politician you must be prepared to answer questions. if you get away when you are driving you will not get away when you are renewing your papers.

What is the effect: industrial creativity to earn legitimate money. willingness to work on the part of gold diggers and "short cutters". available of resources for essential social safety nets. mortgage, health, education and security. once you create this legal frame work. Politicians will not have personal money to sway electoral process. they will rely on people to contribute so as to make the system better. Brothers, this is the point where young intellectuals on Nairaland will put their wonderful skills to test in the soap box. You can then have leaders who came to power not because of God fathers or money but majorly because they have ideas the people bought into.

We need more people like Comr. Gbenga Olawepo who can speak truth to power. ride on Happy Birthday sir.

This is the kind of inequality and injustice that I expect Barcanista, whynotthetruth, knowledgeable and co to fight against given their keen seen of "justice"? If GMB turns around to support this, in spite of his well known view against social injustice, we will also mobilize against his administration. Let us speak truth to power: people are suffering!

Whynotthetruth:
1)I find it very naive that you and your seeming group "who live to ground zero" as you said would abandon your grassroot government and look up to Jonathan that's a central government...Your local government and states government are there for all you desire...

2)Your alluding to six week's military success even with all the explanation from the military on why and how they came about the success... Your hatred for Jonathan won't allow you to see such cogent reasons as plausible...

3)Buhari had and still has no will or morality to fight corruption. Not when he eats and wines with corruption. His campaign funds were funds belonging to different states but were stolen to achieve his personal ambition. Other corrupt persons also donated to him. He's interested in power not in any corruption fight. Darkness cannot fight darkness...He took stolen funds to campaign hence cannot fight those who steal...He's interested only in power....

4)Jonathan is not the problem of chibok. Shettima and borno elders are. Chibok were used as baits to drag Jonathan down. Soon when the centre cannot hold again; lots of truth will emerge. Many questions than answers exist in Chibok.

5)We are looking at the person of buhari for now vis a vis reality and his laundered image used for campaign...

1. I am a stone throw from Aso Rock by virtue of my work
2. My support for Jonathan in 2011 is on Oath and it is publicly documented. I don't hate him or anyone, I am just fed up. The excuse of the military is good for those who follow propaganda. not Good in war front.APC is also guilty of Propaganda Ok. Imagine a military saying they just got weapon from another place after 3 years oh inaction. how about the excuse that they underestimated BH initially. Has anyone come how out to debunk the peanuts being paid soldiers as allowance in war front. have you been to barracks and seen the welfare conditions of soldiers and other security men. look my brother I have had the privilege of seating with an escort mopol who confirmed for a 5 hr journey. I have been to barracks and interacted with officers. Res ipsa loquitor the matter speaks for itself at ground zero.
3. your third point is based on fallacy of hasty generalization and argumentum adhominem. it reveals nothing but crass vacuity and wanton prejudice. get the point. I don't care if he dines with GEJ or Deziani. I want to see changes when they are done dining! I don't care if they couldn't recover anything from anyone, I simply demand a new direction that holds a better promise. so wait a month or two for the journey to progress in another direction. I hate no one. in fact I once said both GEJ and Buhari should be celebrated together. I wanted a Govt of national unity in which all can cooperate but the likes of FFK and Okupe made it impossible.

4. GEJ declared a state of emergency. he is the CinC. Yes Shettima has his own faults. If your argument evades GEJ public confession that they underestimated BH, then we shouldn't be engaged in any debate at any level to which sincerity could be attached.

5. For you out there, you have the luxury of looking at persons. I am sorry, where I am I do not have the luxury. I am involved! I How can you honestly look at a person from that prejudiced distance and ever come to a fair conclusion. I am not looking at GEJ but his administration. I can do this after 5 years of his tenure. I did not assess him in 2010.

In conclusion, for you to be fair in comparison I will give you one principle of natural justice, equity and good conscience. In law it is titled doctrine of judicial precedent or stare decisis. in argument it is: where the same reasons exist the same law prevails and of things similar the judgment is similar (ubi eadem ratio Ibi eadem lex, est De similibus idem est judicium). for this, Anything u say about GMB will be unfair until he occupies the office under consideration. I suppose I am not misjudging your sense of fairness or your original intention.

whynotthetruth. list all the corrupt charges against GMB with figures. list all the corrupt charges against GEJ with figures. do plus and minus. see soludo figures. not a fair assessment? OK. erase all the charges. look at rising rate of crime in south alone. the greater the corruption the lesser the resources available to the masses and the higher the crime rate. poor logic? OK, I give up.

Whynotthetruth:
7)Do you have such evidence against Jonathan... Will you grant such reprieve for Jonathan now as you seek for buhari?...Buhari is as clean as Abacha. QED

Indeed, look up my posts. I speak truth to power! not by half, the whole truth! I once said GMB campaign won't be immune to the current epidemic of corruption. That he has sufficient moral fibre to save us from a free fall. I never said he was perfect. As for GEJ, I once said no one was caught with a smoking gun. I presume he is innocent. But his constitutional innocence could not save him from my legitimate reaction to what I experience as a Nigerian. Your experience is different from mine so why should I support a man based on your own experience. My neighbour is a Christian from Chibok. they voted GEJ in 2011 but now the experience of corrupt neglect made them to vote GMB. The choice is not as simple as you think it was. for many of who live close to the ground zero we see corrupt derelection of duty on the part of those who had sworn to protect us. I may be too naive to bother about who stole what where when and how unless what was stolen undermined my security and thereby exposing me to clear and present danger.but I won't blame you if you conveniently juggle the proportion of iniquity between Abacha and GEJ or GMB and GEJ. However, when you are faced with the choice in the context of danger you may think of changing your guards! GEJ was sufficiently warned. The six week military campaign showed that he was not helpless all along. Ok maybe all have sinned or all are corrupt or GEJ is a saint. Whatever! 90% for the rich 10% (budget ratio) for the poor is a recipe for social disaster. I refused to validate the disaster QED.

I wish you guys can bring up issues not persons. I am not going to hold GMB to the standard of any Nigerian leader. GEJ and Abacha? Haba! there are sufficient principles of governance under chapter 2 of our constitution that you can gauge govt performance with. anything short of good governance issues is nothing but childish bickering.

barcanista:
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General Muhammadu Buhari
"All the allegations levelled against the personality of the late Gen. Sani Abacha will remain allegations. It is 10 years now, things should be over by now." “ten years after Abacha, those allegations remain unproven because of lack of facts”.

whynotthetruth hear more: the 'whole' truth, "nothing" but the truth. GMB simply afforded Gen Abacha the constitutional presumption of innocence. it is a legal right that he is entitled to. so the burden of proof is on you to prove beyond reasonable doubt. GMB did not exonerate Abacha nor absolve him of other charges against him. But he said after 10 years all these talk should be over if our leaders knew what they were doing. GEJ freed Abacha's men so how did GMB err by his constitutional words. Govt apparatus should not be turned into instrument of cheap blackmail. support me or I will expose you or prosecute you. The argument against GEJ is not that GMB or Abacha were saints, it is impunity in which Nigeria and Nigerians were disappearing. It was not like that under any past leader no matter what. You can give all the excuses in the world but the bulk stopped at GEJ table. what was he afraid of? they threatened to do the right thing by exposing the traitors. but at the end it was easier to keep quiet and lose power to those denigrated for four years. can you beat that?!

Ramnon2:
And Aisha went to court recently on the matter of the First Lady

OYO

knowledgeable:
Mr. man, I feel your emotions to see a great transformed Nigeria. Igbos are individually and collectively willing to pay the ultimate price for a great transformed Nigeria, but they have looked into the crystal ball and realized that it's no more attainable because of precisely your line of thinking. Why we Africans are intellectually and physically lazy to confront complex problems , I cannot explain. Do you in your wildest imagination think those agendas will work without the laborious enthronement of both intellectual and physical political structural building bits of blocks that firstly address the destruction of the Nigerian lifes by forces of fulani herdsmen and bokoharam and other extreme vices that are foundational and structural. You see my bro, l have truly come to terms that their are core difference in reasoning and logic between Yorubas and Igbos based on their different cultural heritage and experience. We are waiting to see how a mere closing of ranks between south west and core North will mutate into providing a foundational and structural responsive solutions to the complex national problems characterized by the above two definitions of what the problems are.

Any intellectual prowess that stereotypes any culture must be called into question. At least liberal education of the Western world rejects all forms of stereotypes. All international treaties reject ethnic profiling. so what is the universal basis of your ethnic profiling. Indeed, half the wrong conclusions that human beings arrive at are by abuse of metaphors, by taking general resemblance for real identity. Google the American declaration of independence and the logical end of the war as well as the struggle for the soul of the united states. In Nigeria, what do we see, a people who work at cross-purposes. What were the genuine efforts made since 2010 by our leaders to address the foundational inequality you speak of? 12million naira for each delegate after 5 years to discuss what? How much were Biafran soldiers or Nigerian soldiers paid to defend what they believe? How much are we paying soldiers in the frontiers of insurgency today? How much are we owing aged pensioners who served this country with all their lives? Why you are doing this some apprentices are roaming the street because of lack of money to settle them! It is nobody's fault. I guess we must not begrudge those who have access to the common purse. Struggle and become rich or die trying! We all have different ways of reacting to things like this.

Citizens of developing countries will dare to hold their leaders accountable. but some citizens of backward countries will simply agitate for their own share of what the leaders have been accused of. AS IT WAS IN THE BEGINNING, SO SHALL IT BE, THE WORLD WITHOUT END! More people protested in the south east to maintain the status quo of governance rather than a fundamental change. Look at all the protests what were they for. Not APC change. So for whom are you speaking? for millions of Igbos who have established legitimate businesses outside Igboland. If Nigeria is evil and potentially dangerous as you suggest how do you reconcile your suggestion with the legitimate acts of your brothers that clearly suggest that we all belong to human race, that we all have right to do as we please (under the law) wherever we live?

As a Westerner, I have unhindered access to the sea and a vast erosion free land. we have in commercial quantity what we need to sell to the world by air or by sea. But we need Nigeria no less than others because the more the merrier. Because all we need to be strong is a Nigeria that is free of prejudice. We have our weaknesses and we acknowledge that no race is morally stronger than the other. We don't create classes of the Freeborn and the outcasts. Nor do we subject any class to customs that shock the conscience of the free world. I refer you to the book 'a grammar of politics' by Harold laski on the what causes national hate. It is ignorance. He said we can overcome hatred through education. According to him, we overcome hate by love evil by Good and that baseness begets only a progeny like into itself. That the glamour of war is as unreal as the bought affection of a prostitute. Laski was a prof at the London school of economics and political science.

if we must live together we must learn to be tolerant. the elections are over. if we cannot live together, it is simply intellectually barren to insult others who are oppose to your idea. all you have to do is tell people who believe in your cause to go back to the base and remain there. tell them it is better for all igbos to remain in the east and have nothing to do with Nigeria or Nigerians. make intellectual argument to the UN to justify separation. they will intellectually respond to you. But remember, do not lay claim to any land outside the five eastern states unless the tribes in the contiguous states unanimoulsy decide to join you. If you cannot intellectually, achieve this simply embrace constructive peace.

cocoduck:
Laziness is truly a very,very bad habit very difficult to drop. When did an Igbo man tell you he wanted to dominate everybody, Right from childhood my parents always sing it like sond to me never to depend on anybody, of course I can depend on sombody but it has to have a LIMIT, So I have been working hard since then and now I am self reliant and I am my own boss, look, that is our culture, when you are good in what you do you will be well known, and for you to be good, you have to work your a55 off, at that time, tell me even one Igbo man that got to a certain position without merit and hard work, if I go into a labour camp and do the job well more than every other person that were there before me, I make less mistakes, I finish my work before them, it just a matter of time I become the leader of the camp, even if I don't want to, because others will always consult you and ask for guidance when they hit a brick wall,that is how you become the leader of that camp. The Bible says that if you are good in your job or business you will dine with kings. So it is just natural. Now let us look at it this way, Igbos dominated, but Nigeria was the wonder of the third world then, a position China proudly occupies right now, and we were on course to become a first world country, But now, look at Nigeria, she has become a mighty prison, a zoo occupied by monkeys and baboons, the shame of the black man, and truly I say to you my friend, she shall continue to be so until you make common sense common. Only fools put their trust in Buhari!

Do not take mine comment as a justification for the tragedies of Civil war. I hate wars! Having said that, it is apposite to warn fellow Nigerians of the dangers inherent in your remarks about how some countrymen see Nigerians and Nigeria as a whole. Every tribe value dignity of labour no more and no less than the other. It is just insensitive to claim superiority over another person who may be content to abide by his own norms and differing to others in the conduct of his affairs.

Awo was in jail, some leaders were killed and some were allegedly celebrating for their good fortune in the mysterious Calamities. Sir, everything that transpired call for sober reflection and not groundstanding. On the part of igbo,the price was far too much. I am from the west but I must in good conscience concede that the price igbo nation had to pay for the decision taken by their kinsfolk at the front line. I regret that Nigerian leaders allowed such a calamity to happen at that time.

Does the foregoing justify the animus in your remark.No! Why? because a remark like this just like Chinua achebes account inspires nothing but hostilities. If you do not know, stableland is a precious commodity in the emerging world. Judging by communical clashes and litigation overland, the struggle for separation by a group with limited territory will be a mere battle in a continous war of survival. this at least is the lesson we are learning in Israel/Palestine debacle. We have learning, as in the middle east, peace will be turned into its grimmest image.

Now think about it: why would you hate or detest any Nigerian on the account of the mistakes of the past? What have you done to correct those mistakes given the little power at your disposal? You have done little or nothing? why! because you don't know that the mistakes are contemporaneous or simultaneous in nature. How? the experience of tribal wars made the federating units to be mutually suspicious of each other. for that reason a honest indiscretion would trigger a sincere counter act. the "respondent' party would be be inclined to take further measures to prevent recurrence.

All these acts and counter acts taking place in an atmosphere of suspicion would have debilitating effect on citizens who cheerlead the the keyplayers to do more. They act like fans of football clubs.

Today, I cannot believe Awo only for the reason that he was a Yoruba man. I may understand him more than I understand others because of shared history. I can understand his plight after independence when his contemporaries were enjoying. Nevertheless, I cannot feign ignorance of the survival instinct that impels a group to act one way or the other against anyone who appear as a threat to what they genuinely hold dear.

In effect, if these leaders were properly guided by the colonial powers who forced them into a political marriage, they would have kept the peace. Today, I salute them all without exception because what they did in transforming their domains clearly demonstrated that they could have done better nationally if the time were more auspicious.

In conclusion, Nigeria is at the threshold of a new era. we have witnessed democratic revolution. It is not a time to invoke separatism as an ideal of social justice. Why? because the agenda is defined: economy, security and employment. it is not a time to preempt this agenda only because of major support base. lets judge by facts and figures. Let us see if the average Nigerian has greater opportunity of becoming the best in himself or herself. If your joy comes from the satisfaction that your kinsman or co worshiper is at the helm of affairs, I salute your absolute parochialism. For those of us whose allegiance must be won by the positive impact of good governance, even filial obligation cannot be a close substitute. When you translate this to the GEJ/GMB scenario. The clock of change cannot tick faster. I am eager to align with the man who built refineries than the one who gave excuse not to maintain one. I am eager to align with a man who instilled discipline than the one who allowed impunity in the name of rule of law. law is no law if it does not oblige obedience. I aligned with fresh air of GEJ because I believed he could speak truth to power. This revolution is not just about what GMB could do or what he has done but it is about what GEJ failed to do or wasted time in doing. For being able to remove GEJ, GMB has achieved something. making progress is another thing. it is in the interest of the common man for GMB to succeed where GEJ failed. for all the failures of GEJ, he remains a financially comfortable person. so if GMB fails he will be likewise comfortable. so he must succeed in the interest of the common man.

Chanchit:
All this guys weh carry placards if you offerdem N1m each, dem go first run mad, before dem collect am,then use Scissors destroy those banners.

Many have been paid 500 Nair a to do things like this. for such people 510 naira is enough to tilt the balance of loyalty. Nonetheless, corruption must go.

jamezy10:
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Lol see What fuel scarcity has cuased....i just saw this on my way to ikorodu today
http://www..com/2015/05/photo-see-what-fuel-scarcity-has-caused.html

Many thanks to 16 years of PDP govt continuum. The cabal was too powerful for federal might. A great excuse we must accept so as not to offend the imperial majesties of ethnic sons and daughters!

IsraeliAIRFORCE:
Compare the original report from Thisday News article to Osun Defenders malicious and ethno-religious bias reporting to understand the plots and intentions


[b]Soldiers Intercept Suspected Boko-haram Ammunition Supply Vehicle Arrest DSP Others

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Defence Hqs

By Christopher Isiguzo 
          
At least three persons, including a retired Deputy Superintendent of Police, DSP, and a corporal, Abu Haruna, Solomon have been arrested for illegal trafficking of arms and ammunition.
The third suspect, Onuwa Attaka, is the driver of the arms laden vehicle.

It was gathered that their confession showed alleged involvement in supply of arms to insurgents in Northern Nigeria.

The three suspects, who were heading to the North from Imo State, were intercepted in Nsukka, Enugu State, by officers and men of the Nigerian Army while travelling in a bus.

Items recovered from them include- 40 AK47 magazines, 4 boxes of AK47 live ammunition, 100 pieces of live cartridges, one piece of Denin Mopol khaki and charms concealed in a cap.

One of the army officers who spoke to reporters under anonymity disclosed that a police corporal serving in Imo State Police Command was also involved in the arms running.

He said: "When we asked the occupants of the vehicle to come down, we discovered a police corporal in uniform among them.

The corporal on getting down pretended to be pressed; he later ran away".
It was gathered that the suspects were taken to Nsukka Police Division before their transfer to the state CID.

The retired DSP, Abu Haruna, confessed that he had been in the business of arms dealing since he retired from the police.

He said their mission was to supply the ammunition to their buyer in Taraba State.
The source said Haruna further confessed that they decided to go on the supply after the buyer complained that the first batch was incomplete.

The Police corporal's identity has been traced to Imo State Police command; his name was simply given as Solomon, even as efforts are still being made to effect his arrest.

Meanwhile, the Nsukka Police Area Commander, ASP. Ros-Amson Haladu has praised the gallantry of the soldiers in combating crimes in the area.

"I want to commend the Army Officers for their vigilance in tracking down these illegal arms dealers.

"At the same time, I warn criminals to leave this vicinity or risk being apprehended by security operatives", he said.

Credits: Thisdaylive.com

Article From Osun Defenders

Army Arrests 3 Igbo Traders Supplying Ammunition to Boko Haram

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Igbo traders suppliers of arms to Boko haram

The three suspected gun runners of Igbo origin, who were heading to the North from Imo State, were intercepted in Nsukka, Enugu State, by officers and men of the Nigerian Army while travelling in a bus.Items recovered from them include 40 AK47 magazines, 4 boxes of AK47 live ammunition,100 pieces of live cartridges, one piece of Denim Mopol khaki and charms concealed in a cap.

One of the army officers who spoke to reporters under anonymity disclosed that a police corporal serving in Imo State Police Command was also involved in the arms running.

He said: “When we asked the occupants of the vehicle to come down, we discovered a police corporal in uniform among them. The corporal on getting down pretended to be pressed; he later ran away.


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This is a twisted and unfair reporting of a straightfoward incident. Crime is trans-sectarian...that much is revealed in both articles. so don't profile people as terrorists just because their religion or ethnic group

Whynotthetruth:
Yes, north has always being allies of the SS especially after the fall of Boro agitation and subsequent recruitment of these to fight SE civil war. Just as the article observed, there was a deep rooted propaganda to pitch SS against SE so as to whittle down strength of SE. Propaganda was so bad that even Igbo speaking towns in SS like Ikwerre etc cursed anything SE and would not identify with SE.
Jonathan ouster only awakened many to realities. Showed them that these men are not mutual allies because they used us and when we needed them, they dumped us; only our supposed "enemies" stood with us 100%. So who's the enemy really now?...

To SW, the battle will soon be clear to you all...kindly support men of integrity like Odumakin Yinka in this quest to have Nigeria restructured...

You mean once we give more powers to the states , citizens will live happily ever after. I mean at what point in the trajectory of catastrophe do we look back and say we are done with justification by ethnicity and religion. what is good for the poor northerner is good also for the poor southerner. If you neglect this cornerstone upon which the superstructure of egalitarian society rests, you are the very enemy of your own progress. GEJ and frontline ND leaders had the opportunity of strengthening minorities with laws and institutions at least 4 years ago. But what happened, they maintained the status quo till the 11th hour. what were they doing? will it better for me to go to Ghana or Calabar or PH for my education or medical needs or security? Imagine if ND states have exclusive have one refinery each and they sell petrol to the rest of the country like others sell the commodities? Do you know how much great its impact will be on the economy of ND? Sir the first problem is greed, the second is corruption and the third is mediocrity! Let EFCC, Code of Conduct Bureau and ICPC move in on all got officials, you will forget where you come from. But it will never happen until we stop judging our leaders by the colour of their skins.

No trespass, move on.

GYG and his frequent reference to the unfortunate civil war. He believes Ojukwu was wrong. I believe the humanitarian cost for unity was to much. If Igbos were meant to be part of Nigeria, they would come back after separation.

N.B. I listened to Berekete Family today on Love FM Abuja. and I heard an Igbo man give testimony of how Christians and family rejected him because he has Lazarus-like wound. But Muslim Northerners helped him. The programme anchor, Ordinary Ahmed Isa, cautioned him that if you are good you are good no matter where you come from and where you worship.
Moral:- No tribe is inherently bad. If you believe a tribe is created bad by God, you are bad yourself.

frankyychiji:
And please sir, without holding down the fort for the fellow you quoted, what are the illogical remarks he has made here since he crossed over? No offence please, I just need enlightenment.

Tell me if GEJ or Yaradua became puppets of OBJ. I felt given Barcanista logic of argument he should just allow GMB to err a substantive president before concluding

frankyychiji:
Banal! Rubbish at the most. Take your gospel to Ghana. We know what the stakes are.

Such a venom! From a stakeholder! Even religion no matte how pious has latent stakes on the part of the priests. Who is selfless without an eye on an inherent crown or golden mansions or virgins. Well everything the prize (stakes) has a price. APC paid the price and got the stakes. the price for the stakes is populism. the PDP offered a damnism price (something like: damn it, incumbent don't loose, NA your seat o,Goodluck, sit down). Well we have a saying Roman locuta est causa finita est. Nigeria has spoken, case closed.

barcanista:
The emboldened defined the President-elect as a puppet to moneybags and very insincere/compromised man. You can't cut a deal with the devil to fight evil, neither can you team up with corrupt element and thieves to say you are the masses man. Charity begins at home.

Buhari is as clean as Sani Abacha.

Google tony rezko and whitewatergate. The scandals were about Clinton and Obama. Ask whether Americans got good leaders in these in spite of the puppeteering theory. people give these theories as an excuse or euphemism for prejudice. imagine you sir as a judge. at one point will you pass judgment on a defendant. before he opens his defence, during his defence or after his defence. with all due respect prejudice can only make you pasd judgment before the end of a defence. You can be skeptical or critical but don't judge yet. I admire your industry in debating for both sides. sincerely I cannot judge you for that. people can have opposing convictions at different times. But when someone is known for logical arguments either for or against suddenly he begins to water it down with illogical remarks, we the observers being to wander what went wrong. Trust me sir Nigerians and nairalander will benefit from your robust opposition to GMB only if you can show that Change is futile given the policies ( not the company/supporters) of GMB.

barcanista:
Shut it Mister man... Your Buhari said "the masses will fund his campaign" not me. In fact, I did an article to point to his double standard but blind hypocritical and zombie follower like you interpreted it for some other thing.


You don't have to respond because I will ignore you.

Nobody claims GMB is perfect nor that his campaign will not suffer from the epidemic of corruption. Do not forget what NCC did to his grassroots financing drive. Do not forget that the logistics for his campaign were used in public domain under existing laws no evidence to the contrary or of wrondoing whatsoever. GMB is a hero because of his sense of restraint or moral immunity in the face of Ethical Meltdown. He is a hero because his lifestyle exemplifies modesty amidst obscene opulence. Even pastors accepts donations from questionable quarters in pursuit of their missions. GMB is not a volunteer president but a consensus president amongst people with divergent and convergent interests. They believe that as A Nigerian, leader, general he will be able to sort out all those interests transparently. What is the point if you are a rich man under GEJ and you cannot sleep because to many poor people are hungry, angry and are awake. And when you complain to GEJ his solutions lies at the root of the problem (tokenism). No thanks to Okonjo&Co. Well in order to pacify the swelling ranks of the poor the a cross section of the rich decided to support GMB of the WAI fame. Tell me what shld be the reaction of the people to this type general that towers above many leaders in terms of discipline. he may not meet the puritanical or sanctimonious standards of some but for many he has sufficient moral backbone to save a nation from a free fall. read world history of revolutions that is how political leaders emerge. statecraft is no sainthood but a neighborhood hence you must know how to maintain neigbourliness amongst neighbors. No matter what you say GEJ has done his best but GMB holds forth a better promise of social justice in the Nigerian neighbourhood. before you respond pls ask what happened to the ideals of neighbor to neighbor and fresh air. Fighting GMB for his choices is a sign of prejudice at this stage. Fight him for the choices made by his incoming administration ad they affect the common man. This was the ultimate fight against GEJ anything outside that was just prejudice.

Corruption and mediocrity is our problem. even PIB needs good pple to work