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kandiikane:And the point of my post was that sex before what you would consider "readiness" in Western countries - e.g. the UK - is forced by the culture and tacitly endorsed by the government - if they can have sex, why can't they marry? Not that I endorse either. kandiikane:I find this statement all kinds of garbled; What freedom and rights does the UK afford children - or do children need - that other nations do not? What are these rights that should not be determined by their parents under whose authority they are? And those rights include not being able to "force children not to have sex" - when sex under 16 is statutory rape? If theie job is to stop adults having sex with kids, why does a sexually active and precocious teenager qualify as a kid? kandiikane:Is it solely practice, or what is permissable - the countries you slag off are not in any appreciable way different from most others ![]() http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_marriage_in_United_States_of_America http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age kandiikane:A culture that sexualises children (or at the least as you note is complicit in their sexual activity) is what gave rise to the conditions where that could take place - in full glare of the parents and authorities. These young girls - officially 1'400, but independent sources say as many as x10 more - were abused, raped and trafficked. In fact the only issue here is that many were under 16, if the perpetrators had been a bit smarter they could have gotten clean away. The parents were helpless due to the so called "freedoms" they afford their children, and being more concerned with the consequences of sex, rathe r than the morality of it. The authorities were idealogically hamstrung by nonsense such as "consent", as initiation was often carried out by younger teenage males. And the kids were easy prey, not being mature enough to see beyond the wiles, feigned affection and cheap gifts used to seduce them. Alcohol and drugs were also employed - another right afforded youngsters How would you make sense of what happened?kandiikane:Slander - when it is so rampant in the UK it's essentially a nation of Fiddlers & gays. It reaches to the highest levels and is merely covered up. it so endemic, it's literally culturally embedded. Were is the 3rd worlds Jimmy Savile? Or The priest abuse scandal, or evidence of paedophile rings amongst the highest echelons of government. Timbuktou is right - stop slandering our people. We have our issues, but morally the West is not better. kandiikane:I don't in anyway dispute this - however, you contradict yourself when you speak of rights and freedoms for children which include being sexually active. And by the way, most Western sex education is moving towards teaching youngsters that it's normal for them to be sexually active and encouraging them to explore their sexuality. kandiikane:Answered - there are very few jurisdictions where teenagers are not allowed to marry. kandiikane:Answered - repeatedly. Andit not merely "condom distribution"- they arrange contraception and abortions for children as young - or younger - than 12. Without parental consent or knowledge. Western governments tacitly endorse and are starting to teach children to be sexually active. Despite their own statutes. When a teenager becomes sexually active and precocious, whose to say they are still kids in that regard? I also note the total lack of any moral judgement on teenagers having sex - just that it should be policed to stop them being exploited? So why are you taking Obowunmi to task - after all, he has been harping on consent between adults ![]() kandiikane:Regardless of the law, it's immoral for youngsters to be having sex - more so out of wedlock. TV |
Shirley07:I get it, whilst away, you were growing your sense of delusion !I hope the final solution for your case is not 7th wife !TV |
Timbuktou:Not just short, but she also possesses a ballistic anger and a tongue like a drunken sailor. We are praying hard for her to find a man to take her under authority .TV |
kandiikane:Your pursue a point about the prevention of pregnancy, which correct in a sense, as it is what the State is concerned about. But the true issue is about the age/readiness for sex (and by impliction in some cultures the readiness for marriage). The whole of Western culture predisposes children to sexual promiscuity and as I said the State winks/tacitly endoreses that. I don't see that as any better than a culture that practices teen marriage. In fact, I see it as worse. It's how you end up with issues like young children in Rotherham being used as sex slaves. TV |
carefreewannabe:Show me one where it isn;t to a large degree attributable to the breakdown in the traditional family unit carefreewannabe:Germany got to where it is - in recent history - on the back of de facto relationships? As ever you miss historical causality, broader and longer-term implications and focus on the the immediate gratification. Germany flourished on the back of a strong "volk culture" which was underpinned by traditional marriage. You incorrectly overlook the benefits of this and then wrongly imply that weakening that or replacing it with a facsimile relationship will have no impact. TV |
carefreewannabe:I have never claimed women are inferior in marriage. As a married man, I certainly don't consider my wife inferior. And marriage does underpin a flourishing society. Show me a society that has rejected marriage and I will show you one where the seeds of anomie have already set in. Or is it your nebulous "I'm in a relationship" concept that builds societies . TV **Sophyrocks, you are here - spill 0! Quickly changes dp again ** |
kandiikane:I agree with your premise , but it's not true. There are Western liberal nations that wink - if not outright legally endorse - at intercourse with children. Even if it's with one another. But morally, how can you argue for a mature adult to not have intercourse with a juvenile, if another juvenile can? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2736517/Children-young-12-given-contraceptive-implants-making-vulnerable-abuse-sexual-exploitation.html TV |
carefreewannabe:No, you bolded the wrong part of my post TV01:TV |
Timbuktou:Finding the right type of woman is key. And mature men know what that is - even if they haven't got their frame fully worked out. I long for a time when men marry the right type of women for the right reasons. And all those women who think their looks, education, wealth, family pedigree, ability to catwalk, grasp of liberal ideology etc. means they can overthrow norms, simply get left on the shelf. Open hypergamy is so bad in the West now that it's practiced openly and men are becoming socialised accordingly. We'll see how it al lpans out. But women will bear the brunt - and may well reverse and demand the change. TV |
obowunmi:Research, plain fact, natural conditions and human nature. Sure a man with the means and charisma may be happily married to 2 or more wives. But; 1. Would the women be as happy as if they had him all to themselves? Or put another way, would they prefer to share as opposed to choose too - if the circumstances were different? It denies women full agency 2. At a natural ratio of about 106 men to 100 women (to smooth the riskier lives and earlier deaths men tend to experience), it would cause an imbalance in wider society. Polygamy never prevails, even where it is permitted. At best polygamy is an abberant form of marriage which may prove useful in times of real societal distress. TV |
Timbuktou:Already married? You tried 0! It simply took me that much longer to actually get married. Alls well that ends well sha! I often say (in boxing), there are two ways to learn, the hard way and the painful way - take your pick. But getting this wrong can be hard and painful. Timbuktou:Likewise. TV |
Timbuktou:Who would deny this? And all the attendant implications? What I'd really like to see is someone who lives in this alternate universe come and tell us all about it . TV |
Timbuktou:You can see it in lots of the posts here. Granted, there are things badly practiced and abuses, but the core models and morés are what works best - for most individuals and more pertinently for society as a whole. I feel for them, but more for those who are in situations that don't afford them the same leeway but choose to tread the same path. I also had to seek answers. I hope they find them before it's too late. Hitting the wall or working with unrealistic expectations can be very painful. TV |
Timbuktou:You probably long since realised that Carefreewannabe assumes that as she is well educated, highly paid and able to live an independent life in a liberal progresssive country, the age-old biological and cultural imperatives, and nuances of the male/female dynamic no longer apply to her - or at least can be re-ordered to her wishes. TV |
esere826:And perhaps a third, who find a stoneel that is seemingly perfect, then spot some apparent imperfections. They then focus on these imperfections to the exclusion of all else, eventually discarding it as flawed. Or to put it another way, if your top of the range performance car is scratched, or painted a gaudy colour or unduly customised, it remains a top of the range performance car. esere826:Maybe the third as I've described are the atheists as you've put it. But they are not seeking to polish the diamond, merely discard it as worthless. TV |
frosbel:Frosbel hi, So you are growing in understanding, recieving revelation perhaps. But it would help if you fully digested and articualted before you rushed to proclaim. What is your point here? Do women keep quiet in church - anywhere? Or are you questioning the role paradigm practiced in some churches? If indeed you are challenging notions of authority, and of the difference in roles between men and women - in home, church and society - simply say so. And don't just beg the question, show by a clear articulation of scripture what should actually be the case. Lots of assertions about things being added, omitted or mis-transcribed, merely questions the integrity of the bible itself, not just individual doctrines or positions. It's this kind of re-interpretation, redaction and innovative textual interpretaion that allows some to claim even homosexuality is a blessing as opposed to a disorder. And it's worth noting that to get to the point of "christianising homosexuality", what the bible said about male/female roles had to be recast first - we'll see where you end up with this. I'd really like to hear your outline what is right - especially in this instance - as opposed to merely shouting we've got it wrong. So for example, are men and women supposed to have the same/equal/interchangeable roles in the home or church? TV |
giffty:Thank God, sit back and chill a lil'. Maintain your frame as head of the family. Money ain't a thang...as you young people say !TV |
carefreewannabe:True TV **Sophyrocks - for the third time, I'm asking you to come and update us about this chap saying hi, hi** changes dp again ! |
carefreewannabe:If it's not marriage, it ain't marriage. I not climbing any mountain for a mere relationship ,TV **Sophyrocks, please present your suitor to us - full story 0** changes dp again ! |
Sophyrocks:Sophy, Sophy, Sophy, hold it right there! How can you drop such momentous news - and so blithely ![]() You mean we should be jubilating and jollying ? Such good news so early in the new year? I can't believe nobody jumped on this? I haven't been paying attention, so maybe you've announced it already? The one we have been ontop mountain for - answered prayer you no talk ![]() Come, who is the lucky somebody? Does he know the ting wey he carry Oya full gist please! Before I return to the mountain top Carefreewannabe and Shirley07 - it remain you both 0! Sorry to derail, but I just have too... TV **quickly changes dp in celebration ** |
...I guess it's bad when they ask "WBDI...", but infinitely worse when nobody answers !TV **whose bish dis is?** |
PromiseAndre:I'll start with your conclusion - why does marriage require re-thinking, be that in terms of it's assumptions or importance? What is inherently wrong with the institution, that leads you to even question it - making no valid assertions and providing no concrete evidence? And you voiced the word eradication, denying it as your intent, only to claim "there appears little reason for having it"? Please prove or demonstrate your assertions! PromiseAndre:- Not every r/ship between a man and a woman demands marriage. Indeed, marriage is not demanded or forced, it should be mutually sought. - Be it religious or civil, marriage is as defined - it's purpose is unchanged. - And why are you speaking of marriage in a perjorative sense ?PromiseAndre:- Yes it does, and it should - the respectability that comes from making a lifelong commitment to your spouse and any children you may have - If you think marriage is as simple as changing your facebook status or merely a matter of "siging papers", you are totally adrift - "Unmarried to her life partner". How illogical. Brad and Angelina are married PromiseAndre:Good religious or cultural norms are indeed sufficient. The emphasis should be on individuals understanding why and choosing to follow them. Especially where such norms are beneficial to individual and societal flourishing. Not archaic, tried and tested, proven. Not immoral, both moral and beneficial PromiseAndre:If it's conditional, it's not love (you will know women !). But love has never been demanded before marriage. Love is evidence of your commitment to your marriage. Get it right. PromiseAndre:Answered previously - but are they wrong because a religion demands them? And which religion demands or forces marriage? PromiseAndre:Hush! It's not a "mere display". It's a public declaration of your marriage and it's intent, reciprocated by the community who acknowledge your commitment to each other and your part in ensuring the continuation and flourishing of that same community. You'd be well served to get some culture in you and understand the reason for cherished traditions. PromiseAndre:Answered PromiseAndre:You "question" without exploring or fully understanding - and the fact remains, you can have any relationship you choose, why trouble yourself about marriage? PromiseAndre:What are these alternate family structures - and what about them - in lieu of any research - suggests they may be even as good as traditional marriage? Are you suggesting we experiment with childrens lives and wellbeing to demonstrate the suitability of these alternate family structures? PromiseAndre:You are utterly confused. You both assert and rebut yourself in succeeding sentences and then go off at a total tangent ![]() PromiseAndre:Silence already. Apart forn the fact that some countries do not grant married couples any benefits - and some are even starting to penalise them - this is not the "best of the terrible" reasons" for marriage. The state should rightly support what the community endorses - marriage - in it's own long term best interest. And any state that doesn't do this is remiss PromiseAndre:Learner and confusionist TV |
ihedinobi2:She couldn't deal with him acting like a man in a male environment - and hence attempted by physical force to restrain him. In as much as it's not real life as such, the thrill of the win, kill, etc. causes men to exhult, what's her problem? Why the need to forcibly domesticate him? Why was hse even there - unless as a "supporter" - everyone knows that women can't game like men. Mad funny the way he dealt with her. TV |
Morning guys, I'm not sure if this has popped up on NL already - in fact, I don't understand why it hasn't gone viral .It's primordially funny and worth watching at less than 2 minutres, just for that. But there are also has some good insights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1421914688&x-yt-cl=84503534&v=1Sfs9h3bIDg&feature=player_embedded A gaming competetion, typically a male pursuit, even if somewhat beta/juvenile from some perspectives. Brother wins a match and celebrates in typical "male style" - which the mixed audience seemingly understand and appreciate. And then; a lone female decides to "feminise" things! Note the brothers reaction !He does not address her directly, but calls out her "handler", showing his authority as a man - Alpha with capital "pha" Next time one of NL' resident harridans gets in the way, you know what to ask !TV |
favoured234:When, or under what circumstances is divorce a good thing? I haven't judged anyone - merely stated that divorce is always a bad thing. TV |
Apart from the bit below, I fully endorse this piece. Divorce is always a bad thing .favoured234:TV |
cococandy:The lil' sister I always longed for - who knows me so well ! |
ihedinobi2:I haven't told the half of it; I literally started from scratch; ground zero - in fact worse than that. I had a very negative impression of marriage. I had only seen it modelled poorly, did not understand it in it's essence, hadn't a clue how to go about it and had all but decide against it. Then I found my Saviour. Even from there it was still a long journey - although it was the furthest thing from my mind at first, I had eyes only for Him. But gradually and then finally. It's why I'm such a passionate advocate of marriage and especially based on Christian principles. I've read your subsequent posts and too be honest, I'm not even really sympathetic. I have no doubt you have all it takes and are being led. Stay faithful, remain humble, and you will surely testify. All you are going through is too strengthen and prepare you. I don't disparage the depth of what you felt for those now past, but when it happens, you will scarce remember them. TV |
Timbuktou:I disagree.You saw an opportunity and you took it. You won your bride - even if it was after a seemingly short battle. Timbuktou:And here's why ^^; you fought may wars before and were battle hardened. I love your story. I met and got engaged to my wife in 3 months. People are always saying "that was too quick". I always reply, "over 15 years looking for a wife does not suggest haste. TV |
moca:Amen. My actually finding someone was a miracle - I was convinced it was a single life - maybe as a missionary for me. I sold every asset I had and just had one big pile of cash. Just waiting to be directed to my duty station .carefreewannabe:Me complain? Who dash monkey banana? I just used to turn up for dates - or call, I did lots of cold calling - with a hopeful look on my face (or tone of voice). I only provided a snapshot of reasons. Even the good ones were turned into excuses. "Why always gymming? at least you are not fat na"? "You mean you have no children or have never been married? What's wrong with you. I'd be more comfortable if you had some tangible history - what are you hiding?" ![]() Most of them didn't pass first date. And I suspect that many of the ones that persevered through the first date were mostly out of pity. Second dates sef, I used to fear. That's when they would bring up their immigration issues and explain how they needed to marry within the next 3 months or return home !. Or their impending homelessness, or dire financial situation.TV |
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