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BoboYekini:
Thanks boss. This is a fine thread. I hope money/finance issues are discussed soon.

No probs dude.

Just air the issue/topic and dem boyz go tackle am ! Truth is, many guys here are after a financial edge and are very keen to explore/discuss.


TV

netotse:
I plan to start doing renegade man makers, they are modified [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burpee_%28exercise%29]burpees[/url], I would recommend them. Try doing ten in a row and you would understand why...lol.

Watched the video, sort of a combo burpee. Really good complex move.

Tuesday workout (which was on Wednesday, but moved as I had runz with wifey for a while, now back to Wednesdays - done 2 days ago)

Mixed Kettlebell and circuit routine

2 Kettlebells 12kg & 16Kg. Ten kettlebell exercises. Single handed and 10 each side, or 20 if double handed. Use 16 kg for 1 & 6, as follows;

1 Kettlebell swing (good for warming up)
2 High pulls
3 Snatch
4 Clean to rack
5 Halo/Round the world
6 Reverse Lunges
7 Figure 8
8 Rows
9 Squat press
10 Double hand overhead raise

The rub is between each kettle bell exercise, perform 10 press ups, after the first 10 KB exercises, do another set of 10 with 10 burpees in between, after the second set, a third set with 10 tuck jumps interspersed – 55 mins

So in total, thats, 100 burpees, 100 press ups and 100 tuck jumps, as well as the 300 moves with the bells. It's just me myself and I, so I'm looking to improve timewise. It's a tough workout with just two sets of 10 let alone 3 - I'm typically knackered and slow by the 3rd set.

Alternatives KB exercises are;
Side lunge
Press
Lunge press
Deadlift
Goblet squat
Russian Twist
Turkish get up – more advanced
Nigerian grab - no one has ever successfully completed this

Some of the kettlebell exercises can be replicated with dumbells - I started at x3 sets of 7 and worked my way up - find your level/experiment.

I also do an intense spin class on Fridays and a body pump class - both instructor led - on Sundays. The body pump is modified - a combination of high reps with weights and circuit type exercises like burpees, press ups etc. - a bit like my Wednesday session. I also have alternative sessions like skipping, shadow boxing, aqua aerobics, Insanity etc, and I'm planning to get back into my running.

Just back from spin, it's intense, always leave like a litre of sweat on the floor! Salmon and salad with a small tub of vanilla yoghurt.

Beddy byes - will sleep like a log!


TV

chaircover:
TV doesnt your salad go "funny" after a day or two?

Nope - even before I perfected it, it was good for 5 or 6 days before it got whiffy.

I used to incorporate steamed broccoli, but it goes off quite quickly. Eliminated beetroot and beansprouts after experimenting. Make sure the peppers, onions, tomatoes and cucumber are all firm - they usually are except for the tomatoes anyway - one quickly expiring component will "off" the whole thing.

chaircover:
Maybe my fridge is too cold
I need to make salad as I go and so need to be in ASDA every few days and that gan gan is the issue.

I use an airtight container to store - see 3rd pic - and keep it refrigerated. Swap your Beko for Bosch biko !

Lets say for some reason it's a short week. I'll prepare for 4 days - no matter how bad it has to last for 4 days, maybe try that? It's not a must I have it everyday. I'm typically satisfied with about 4 times a week min. But usually have it 5-6.

chaircover:
There is always rice in the cupboard but not always decent eatable lettuce
Whats the trick pls?

Do you just make the sald up when you need it? Lettuce tends to have a short expiry date. I use a lot of growing salad, growing cress and potted herbs (Basil). I also use mint leaves.

Any help?

TV

BoboYekini:
bros, flywheel wey I dey talk na engine plate wey I dey fix for the barbell as weight o. Nor mind my nonsense grammar.
Yes, I get intensity, basically because I do the reps per set to failure( depending on your goal, but low to medium reps of 10-15 work for bulk and definition. I adjust the weights to achieve failure within this rep range) and also keep the rest time between sets to 1min. And, that slow controlled lifting and lowering is critical for me.
Especially the lowering phase.
The 3 exercises because they are compound target the whole body. Squats, pullups and presses are the standard compound movements. I don't need to isolate my biceps, triceps, e.t.c. They still get plenty of work from the compound movements.
P.S. I stopped for 3months because I was working in an inconvenient location.

Capeesh re flywheel

To be honest your take has given me a new perspective. I've always considered most weight based programs to be about bulk/size and not all round fitness - neither have I really seen evidence of how it helps stamina.

The guys I typically see at the gym always seem to be checking their phones and yakking between sets - never sewating ! My workouts give no leave for that. And too be honest, I feel like I have much better musculature and proportion, I'm just not huge - and I don't want to be

As for the location, is it so bad that you can't do bodyweight exercises or avail yourself of a few dumbbells or kettlebells? All the best sha, and I'm sure having been there, you'll want to get back.


TV

BoboYekini:
My routine is alternating the exercises below for different days, sundays off.
barbell squats,
Seated military press or weighted pushups,
Shrugs or pullups.
3 major compound movements using slow cadence reps. 4 seconds concentric/up, 4 seconds eccentric/down or so. 5 sets to failure( usually at about 12-15 reps per set). Rest between sets 1-2min.
At the end it takes me 30minutes average per session. The only time I do isometrics is the odd wristcurl now and then.
The only equipment I use is two - four flywheels and a bar( same bar I fix in the doorway for pullups).
I never do aerobics, I find that squats get me racing quite fast as well.

BoboYekini:
It does. For all of the above lol. Actually, it took me a while to settle on this routine. Trust me, its golden I was looking for maximum benefits with shortest time per session. And not hurting myself too badly in the process. Its kinda loosely based on Project Kratos by Drew Baye.
All those sets are to failure, mind. I've not trained for about 3months now so I'm off course but will get back on.

I do barbell squats in my body pump class - We do squats for about 4 mins - so huge reps - I'm good for about 40 - 50% bodyweight
Don't do the military press, but we do incorporate the bench press and variations - again high reps
We also do a lot of press ups - Interspersed with the weights
Have been ruminating for a while now on how to incorporate pull-ups into to my routine. I've even watched "Barmaster videos" - fear cash me !

I know Project Kratos is high intensity - do you get that from your variation? Does the "to failure" ensure this, and with just 3 exercises? And why have you stopped for 3 months?

And please, which one is flywheel? I only know it as a variation on spin - which I'm doing tonight incidentally !

TV

coogar:
i can't skip for shyte.....
after the 12th swing, the rope gets tangled with my legs. my attention is always all over the place.

i just do my normal aerobics and bench-press 200lbs up when i am up to it.....after 1-2 hrs, i am already missing my decor. it's time to go home.

It's whatever works for you and gives you the gains (helps you reach the targets) you set for yourself.

I couldn't imagine working out for more than an hour. I don't even do back to back sessions/classes anymore. One single high intensity session at a time.


It's good to hear you are on it - in whatever way.


TV

BoboYekini:
My routine is alternating the exercises below for different days, sundays off.
barbell squats,
Seated military press or weighted pushups,
Shrugs or pullups.

3 major compound movements using slow cadence reps. 4 seconds concentric/up, 4 seconds eccentric/down or so. 5 sets to failure( usually at about 12-15 reps per set). Rest between sets 1-2min.
At the end it takes me 30minutes average per session. The only time I do isometrics is the odd wristcurl now and then.
The only equipment I use is two - four flywheels and a bar( same bar I fix in the doorway for pullups).
I never do aerobics, I find that squats get me racing quite fast as well.

Holá, do you find this works for you? As in gives you the body - and health fitness - you want (or the girls want - if that's a motivator )


TV

netotse:
10 mins ke? 40mins was more like it o, even that is optimistic, will time it today. You're right about the variants thing though. It will prolly start to get boring at some point. I'm now wondering why I chose 100 days instead of 30...The Lord is my strength sha.

How far with the video on the skipping technique and all? dropbox, youtube etc would suffice if NL can't take the video.

Another thinh about varying it, is the ability to do more.

So for example, do 10 burpees, followed by 10 press-ups, then 10 star jumps, then 10 single leg squat thrusts etc. This means you are using a different body part and varying the pace; you can therefore keep going and keep your pace high. You can also mix the cardio with weights. Overall better in terms of how much and how many parts you work. View things like "Insanity" for tips.

I planned to post my Tuesday workout. But didn't want to do so, until I actually did it. To follow.


TV

^{**I think NL allows bigger files now, so I'll try and post my skipping one in full at some point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX-NdILjBWY**}

netotse:
@TV and the other's
speaking from a naija perspective, what are those things that shouldn't be in our diets since they say changing your diet is an important part of getting fit.

Diet is a very wide ranging issue, and it really depends on how deep one wants to go - and achieve. You can look at all kinds of types - personality, body, blood etc. - and diets vegan, paleo etc. - but as ever, I found it best to start small and progressively make changes whilst figuring out what works for you.

Firstly, I don't use any protein supplements, creatine, or stuff like that. Not to say there is no benefit, I just have a cost (low) and convenience mantra. Plus I'm pretty happy with my current state.

Things like steroids or really hardcore stuff are do not even get a mention. I have recently started taking liquid iron at the behest of my wife and will use fish oil and a multivitamin when I remember.

If I buy a packet of biscuits I find really moreish, I'll scoff the lot (personality type). My brother will have one every other day or so and they'll last a month. I'm getting better, but long since adopted a spartan approach . All the bad stuff out - then I relax on occassions - like on holiday or at christmas, and indulge sometimes.

My standard diet is porridge/correct brown bread/or sometimes cereal for breakfast. I try for a wholesome lunch and for dinner, but work can lay waste to the best intentions - brown bagging? I have salad and fish or chicken 4 - 7 times a week (makes things easier for wifey). I snack on fruits and nuts all day.

We literally do not buy red meat - although if we are entertaining wifey may lay on a goat-meat stew or the occassional lamb joint. If we eat out, I always give serious considertaion to the steak/red meat options. I will eat proper bred/organic pork, but tend not to so as not to cause offense.

The salad makes a diffence - a huge one. And I always feel one kind if I go without for to long. I tend to make a huge container at the weekend and prepare the fish or chicken on the day. It's haddock tonight, chicken yesterday and I had red bream earlier in the week. I'll have salmon on Friday and I have mackeral on standby.

Abstemiousness is a plus. For a long time I more or less skipped brekkie and would only have fruit before midday. There are many a day when I only have 2 meals. I know the prevailing thought on brekkie and the king-prince-pauper paradigm, but I had my reasons - making weight as a boxer etc. - and this is not advice, just sharing. Controlling our appetites, bodies is a good thing.


TV

^{**the salad is lettuce, including growing salad and cress, fresh mint & basil leaves, then tomatoes, red onion, cucumber & peppers. I store avocados and usually slice one in. Sprinkle with pumpkin seeds, linseeds, sunflower seeds and raisins &/or cranberries. Dress with olive oil and red or white wine vinegar, sometimes lemon. tiny amounts of sea salt and coarse ground black pepper to season**}

netotse:
Boss...no be only you
I happened to come across something called the 100burpees for 100 days challenge yesterday and I now said let me fall in...my mistake.

After doing like 20 I was cursing whoever invented the darn exercise. Eventually completed the hundred (with several breaks in betweeen), after I was done, my trajectory was fridge (to get the coldest drink possible), shower and then bed, I kid you not!

My left hamstring was throbbing mennnn...Cant remember the last time I perspired that much. Nice feeling though, the journey to fitness isn't easy.

Morning after, my thighs feel like lead(expected), I now had to park at one end of the office complex and walk 1km to the other...that burpee fella cannot be a child of God o

I'm thinking of starting the first 10 and last 10 of the 100 burpees as man makers until I can do a lot more. Will replace lifting with inclined pressups (I want to be able to do a handstand.
I'm also going to do a 30days plank challenge to improve my core strength (them abs must come by fire by force). When I was in uni I used to jogo(capoeira) and my cartwheels where lousy, I just realised it was because I've always lacked core strength .

will see if I have enough juice left to skip after the two (burpees and planking) today.

100 burpees non-stop !

Actually, good to prove a point or as part of a wider session - even with breaks or at a slow pace, 100 burpees can't take more than 5 - 10 minutes depending.

But it is an impressive feat either way. I don't think I coul do 100 non-stop. Rarely do more than 20-25 at a stretch. I'd probably be looking at 5 or 6 sets with breaks.

Also worth noting that it won't work the whole body - and certainly not equally - per my first point. But burpees - or variants - remain a great exercise and part of any regime - more on this in a later post.

netotse:
@TV and the other's
speaking from a naija perspective, what are those things that shouldn't be in our diets since they say changing your diet is an important part of getting fit.

Will post seperately on this - I'm very big on diet.

netotse:
P.S.
All those sexy ladies making exercise videos on youtube ehn...God is watching them...smh

I've come across Cross-fit lady videos occassionally and though..."hmmm impressive"...I have no problem with a sculpted look on women .


TV

alutacontinua:
you're just very allergic to change

Not really, but always like to be informed and give pause for thought were there are moral considerations. I woul dimagine most people would do the same - unless they had no moral concenrs about it.

alutacontinua:
I believe they'll not go on a mass scale at first, probably start with about 4 or 5 amd watch them over the years for any issues. if everything goes well, then..............

I kind doubt that for a number of reasons;
1. One's legislated for it moves into tthe domain of regulated medical practice. Anyone qualified can carry it out.
2. The demand may be relatively low - women who suffer from the problem - but time is of the essence; some don't have that kind of time.
3. There has been no such suggestion in the reports

alutacontinua:
I hope for everything to go well though, but if care is not taken, sounds like a breeding ground for mutations

I understand that some believe that mutations are not always a bad thing - and without them, we wouldn't be here !


TV

^{**morals & mutations**}

5minsmadness:
Good evening one and all.

After days of meditating on this topic and the ensuing responses that came after it, I decided to get with the program and pick up my skipping ropes from where I had put them. I am proud to say that two days after picking up the skipping ropes I actually skipped 100counts this morning after which I promptly lapsed into a coma. Upon recovery I felt good about it and went on to complete another 400reps. I felt good. Really good. I hope to do another 500 before I go to sleep and then make it a daily affair, God willing. Thanks for the inspiration.

Great to hear 5mins. I am gladdened. Lets encourage each ther with progress updates and tips etc. It may be an idea to translate your effort into time and aim to increase the sessions. Thirty minutes with good technique is a solid workout - even if it's x2 15 minute sessions to start.


TV

carefreewannabe:
Dear TV01,

Most felicitous Carefreewannabe

carefreewannabe:
who told you that I support or oppose gay marriages?

Carefree by repeatedly claiming you are not a homophobe, you have to support "gay marriage". Non-support makes you a de-facto (see what I did there ) homophobe. One who by definition opposes "gay rights". Please make engaging you a little more challenging.

carefreewannabe:
In case you have forgotten, the thread was not about same se*x marriages but about homes*exuality in general.

If it's about "homosexuality in general", then it's prima facie about SSM. Duh?
And opposition - or otherwise - to SSM was introduced as an example of something used as a litmus test for homophobia.

carefreewannabe:
You were the one who brought marriage into the discussion and I challenged your arguments. That's all.

Actually, you didn't challenge my arguments, you merely made a string of assertions that did not get into the ring, lace up gloves, or even call my argument out !

carefreewannabe:
You can call me whatever you want but first make sure you get what I am saying right instead of reading meaning into it. Thanks

What is required is that you clearly grasp what is being discussed and understand the implication of any assertions you make !

No to "gay marriage", "no to gay adoption"


Teefee

pickabeau1:
You got it right
Nothing beyond the average is ever simple.
The degenerative diseases caused by mitochondrial issues are terrible
One woman in the bbc article i read a while back lost all her kids and will soon lose the last one

its a chance for families like this

And who wouldn't want to show compassion - but is it the only chance?

pickabeau1:
Yes no one knows the uncharted areas this could lead to

I'm no geneticist - by a long shot, can't even claim much elementary science knowledge , but all sorts of scenarios come to mind. I hope they are mostly mute or they have them covered off.


TV

pickabeau1:
a chance to remove untreatable diseases via mitochondrial transplant

I am not sure it's that simple, or the process as described.

The nucleus of the embryo with the mitochondrial problems is removed and placed in ann embryo with issue free mitochondria.
Essentially, you have 2 embryos to start with and only one at the end. One is in a sense "killed", hence the ethical opposition by some.

The other question I have is how we know that there are no other consequences?


TV

carefreewannabe:
I never said so and because you are twisting my words, I will ignore the rest and we will talk again when you quote me accurately.

Good night TV. Have a good rest.

I slept well thanks . Hope liekwise?

So it's the usual Carefree. A mix of groundless assertions, pointless diversions and ruses. Characterising everything as simplistic and asking pointless qurestions.

You make no points are provide any solid reasons why we should have "gay marriage". The best you can muster is to say it's happened in the past?

And then you hightail it. You have form. When you can show why or how redefining marriage will benefit society or improve on what we have, I'll be all ears.

Finally, did you know that redefining marriage to fully incorporate the notion of same-sex unions means the particulars of consummation and adultery no longer apply?

Essentially marriage then becomes a union of two people which is not necessarily faithful or lifelong. It basically reduces it to just any type of relationship. Kind of like what you have - congrats, you are "gay married" and you didn't even realise !


TV

As ever, you have no substantive position. Gay marriage should be allowed because;

1. It happened in the historical past
2. Because abuse happens in care homes & among priests/in churches
3. Because some hets make a mess of marriage
4. Because identifying as homosexual is like being black
5. Becuse people should be able to define marriage as they choose

Nothing about what marriage is, why it came into being, what it does, or most of all what re-defining it says. Absurdly simplistic !

carefreewannabe:
If you first show me how it prevents a society from flourishing.

1. Marriage ceases to be legally or socially endorsed as our way of raising children - it merely becomes the acknowledgement of desire.
2. The norms of the homosexual lifestyle become embedded in marriage - concepts such as adultery, consummation, fidelity etc, all disappear.
3. Legitimising what is an aberrant and unhealthy lifestyle, will see it proliferate and generate a huge health cost to society
4. And of course there's the problems faced by those who do not buy into it being victimised by legal fiat....to mention a few
5. Gay unions demand legitimisation and benefits from a society they add no value to.

carefreewannabe:
Should, would, could. You can champion whatever you want, the reality is that we live in a world, in which a great number of traditional marriages end up in failure, if not in divorce then in homes where arguments, domestic abuse, lack of love are the order of the day. Welcome to the real world TV!

And this is a cogent argument for gay unions because...?

carefreewannabe:
Who said churches were the major player?
Who said abuse is ALWAYS magnified in care home situations?

You tried to smear church in order to justify gay unions. You also made the false bait and switch of care homes being the only alternative for orphans. It is true however that abuse is more likely in a care home.

carefreewannabe:
Not necessarily, if I had to choose between you and the gay couple I know, I would choose them. I mean it.

And like I said, that is more indicative of your shallow thinking and warped ideology. And immersion in your own selfish desires. You'd risk your childs future to prove a misplaced ideological point?

No surprise, as you argue for gay marriage and gay adoption, whilst neither understanding or having the wherewithal to marry yourself and lacking the ability to make a childs welfare paramount over your desires - quite gay really !

carefreewannabe:
That's your problem, not mine, am not homophobic.

Parroting the word homophobic - which is actually meaningless - does not an argument make. I believe marriage is a distinctively male/female relationship and is best for the welfare of any resulting children. Label that belief as you please.

carefreewannabe:
Let those whom it serves so well, endorse it. The small % should not have any considerable impact on this beautiful institution that breeds so many children and future adults with all sorts of psychological issues.

As much as it delights me to expose the paucity of your arguments, it saddens me that you make them.

Redefining marriage changes it for everyone and restates it purpose to civilisation. We are not just expanding it - lets say for example allowing 1st cousin marriage (and I know that happens in some places) - we are changing it's very essence. It is not about the numbers, it's about what we state as it's definition and purpose.

carefreewannabe:
Thanks to gay people it is not YET overpopulated.

The non-existent breeding ability of gay couples is statistically insignificant to the worlds population

carefreewannabe:
They don't increase them like heaters*exual couples. See Nigeria.

Nigeria is not overpopulated - it suffers poor management and resource utilisation

carefreewannabe:
For you. Once again, the concept is not universal. I don't feel like going round in circles.
And the societal concept of marriage in the West is NOW not only male / female but also male / male and female / female.

Nope, society never made that call - a few elitists in Governments did - and in time when society sees the fallout, nature will take it's course.

carefreewannabe:
So for you to define marriage the way you do, everyone has to define it the same way?

I don't define marriage my way. It's what it is and always has been. If marriage is individually defined it becomes meaningless.

carefreewannabe:
So anal s*ex is now a mental disorder?

Along with tribadism,fisting, felching, docking and anilingus, the use of small furry animals and copious amounts of chemicals, amongst others.

carefreewannabe:
If you think that gay marriages will prevent Western societies from flourishing, you are free to move back to Nigeria.

I am free to move to Nigeria regardless !

carefreewannabe:
Saying that homos*exuals are mentally ill is not discrimination
It is as scientifically proven as the statement that black people are less intelligent.

No. That was the prevailing scientific thinking until the 70's and it was never systematically refuted, it was overturned using ideological pressure.

As to black people being less intelligent or not, that is neither here nor there. If it's the case, does it make them less human or demand they be given special rights. Is intelligence the sum of a person or even the main or most desired quality?

You're on a long run of poor form Carefree . Up your game or face the prospect of relegation to the romance board.


TV

carefreewannabe:
Says who?

Simplistic

carefreewannabe:
Wrong, group marriage takes place between males and females.

Show us where this practice is extant and of itself leads to a flourishing community? It's one of the exceptions that proves the rule of marriage as defined. As ever, your shoddy ideology precludes you seeing the big picture.

carefreewannabe:
And there were gay marriages in ancient times. Free education for all.

As above, never in any significant way. And certainly not as the mainstay of a flourishing community. They would never have been anything other than a parody or expression degeneracy. Afterall one Emperor married his horse, why not champion that as a form of marriage. Or your sister that married herself the other day ! Abberations and perversions are exceptions that prove the rule.

carefreewannabe:
http://www.reformation.org/perverted-marriage-of-nero.html And an orphanage is "as close an environment as possible" or better one run by the Catholic church, in which children are forced to se*xually satisfy the priest or the nun.

Strawman - who is championing orphanages? Children should be placed in a replica of the normal biological arrangement. Governments should incentivise it to ensure all have this possibility. Orphanages are not something I champion, neither is gay adoption.

Double strawman - churches are not the only one or the major player in orphanages.
Triple strawman - abuse is always magnified in care home situations

carefreewannabe:
Welcome to the real world! In the best interest of kids.

You've been served here

carefreewannabe:
I would rather give my kids to a homes*exual couple (friends I know very well) if I was about to die than to a holy orphanage.

Are you a farm animal? What's with the straw?
It would be best for your kids to be placed within a natural parenting sdituation with relatives as close to you as possible, followed by those culturally similar, then at least a male/female union.

Your ideological lockjaw will not permit you to do what is in the best interest of your kids. Is it the same pathos preventing you marrying, whilst championing it for the ineligible. Shame and confusion

carefreewannabe:
You don't have to celebrate anything. I have never been asked to celebrate homes*exuality, have you?

That happens merely by legally codifying it and giving it societal endorsement. It's furthered by making those that don't agree keep silent or actively participate.

carefreewannabe:
And gay marriages are the outcome of same s*ex unions, so?

I like to give you a little credence - perhaps it's unmerited?
There is no such thing as "gay marriage" - they are redefining marriage so it captures same-sex couples. There's a difference

carefreewannabe:
I don't understand how the relatively small percentage of gays in a society hinder societies from flourishing but I can see how they are useful, keyword overpopulation.

1. I don't understand why we need to redefine something that has served so many, so well, for so long just to legitimise this small %.
2. Another Ideological blind spot - who told you the world had an overpopulation problem?
3. And how do homosexual unions change population numbers - as they don't actually procreate - am I oversetimating you?

carefreewannabe:
Like I have already told you, your concept of marriage is not universal and has never been.

It's not my concept - it's a societal concept, marriage as defined. Male/female.

carefreewannabe:
How exactly do they re-define the rights of others?

If they redefine it, what I am left with, is not what I entered into. What marriage was for is now changed, and what it does is done away with.

carefreewannabe:
Nobody can force you to endorse anything and nobody is trying to. Last time I checked, you still have the freedom of opinion and speech.

Legally codifying marriage as a homosexual institution means socieltal endorsement. Most people don't want to - it's been forced on populaces around the world. And in the West, you cannot have a negative opinion about it without being labelled homophobe or bigot.

carefreewannabe:
Define psychological disorder.

In this case an wrongly ordered desire and use of bodily organs in a physcally dissonant way.

carefreewannabe:
Wrong! This is ONLY true for some parts of ancient Greece. In some other parts gay marriages were accepted, not only in Greece but in other parts of the world too.

I have schooled you at length about abberations, exceptions, flourishing societies and proving the rule. If they were started and died away, there was a reason for that. An unworkable , unvaluable or deleterious novation.

Why do you argue against polygamy?

carefreewannabe:
Are you implying that it was permitted but that some / all / most people still considered it abnormal?

Smoking is permitted - and healthwise less dangerous than homosexuality - is it normal?

carefreewannabe:
If it was permitted but some people considered it abnormal, then nothing has changed. For a conservative person like you, it must be good news.

The Gospel is the only good news !

carefreewannabe:
Wrong!

Evidence exists that same-sex marriages were tolerated in parts of Mesopotamia and ancient Egypt. Artifacts from Egypt, for example, show that same-sex relationships not only existed, but the discovery of a pharaonic tomb for such a couple shows their union was recognized by the kingdom. Meanwhile, accounts of the Israelites’ departure for Canaan include their condemnation of Egyptian acceptance of same-sex practice. In actuality, same-sex marital practices and rituals are less known in Egypt compared to Mesopotamia, where documents exist for a variety of marital practices, including male lovers of kings and polyandry. None of the recorded laws of Mesopotamia, including the Code of Hammurabi, contain restrictions against same-sex unions despite the fact that marriages are otherwise well regulated (Eskridge).
http://www.randomhistory.com/history-of-gay-marriage.html

And what has this shown except that it was at times "tolerated", "existed" and not "legislated for as opposed to actively legislated against". I have spoken at length about abberations, ill thought out novation, rules and exceptions.

Are you saying just because a practice was at one time historically extant, it legitimises it? What of slavery? or public beheadings?
http://www.reformation.org/perverted-marriage-of-nero.html

carefreewannabe:
You can refuse to publicly declare your approval, in the same way people refuse to publicly declare their approval for black or Muslim people even though discrimination based on gender, skin color or religious affiliation is forbidden.

It's not the same thing. In any event I have not championed dioscrtimination against homosexuals. Don't appeal to emotion, sentiment or your lunch


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carefreewannabe:
There is a difference between simple and simplistic and also between an accusation and an observation.

Please try and figure these differences out - holla if you require assistance !

carefreewannabe:
Wrong. It is not a right that is exclusive to gay people. You have the right too.

No one and no group has the right to redefine the societal artefact that is marriage.

carefreewannabe:
And besides there are monogamous, polygamous, polyandrous, endogamous, arranged, spirit, group marriages ....... I could go on and on.

And the marriage is always between a male and a female - or else it's simply not marriage as defined

carefreewannabe:
How is this right exclusive to homo*sexuals?

1. It's not true
2. No other paraphilia is being embedded in our culture

carefreewannabe:
How is this right exclusive to homo*sexuals?

Children have a right to their natural birth parents. Or in the event of loss, the rightg to be raised in as close an environment as possible. Homosexuals forcibly deny children this right - to satisfy their own vanity and desire for legitimacy. Are homosexual rights more important than childrens?

carefreewannabe:
Homophobia at its peak.
Show me one homosexual that demands the right to force others to participate in any homosexual practice.

It's not to engage in the acts, it's to participate in the celebration of the act. It's forced assent and participation. Tyranny

carefreewannabe:
I have never been forced to participate in any sexual act that involved homo*sexuals, have you?

As above

carefreewannabe:
You asked me "In as much as our sexual practice are a part of the human experience, what rational person views the whole of life experience through that practice?" and I wrote homophobic people and then you wrote the line above. Does it makes sense? Anyway.

The point is it's homosexuals who insist that homosexuality colour all our social institutions - to normalis/legitimise it.

Marriage is not a heterosexual institution. It came about as a direct result of the outcome of the male/female union. That outcome has implications for society' flourishing. So we publically celebrate, endorse and support it.

No one asks if you are gay or straight or if you love your spouse. Gay people have the exact same right as everyone else to marry a member of the opposite sex for that reason. Marriage was not an attempt to discriminate against gays or due to animus against them.

They don't want that right, or an equivalent right which captures their unions. They wan tto re-define the rights of others - and children - to feel good about themselves.

carefreewannabe:
It is a lie to say that they are accepted like everyone else, a big lie, and you know it.

It's not acceptance they are seeking, it's endorsement and celebration - by force!

carefreewannabe:
Now explain how they want to "re-configure" culture and society.

I've explained above

carefreewannabe:
How is it unnatural?

The biological and psychological disorder that it is can be researched quite easily. The health implications and pathologies of the practice are well documented.

carefreewannabe:
Yes, in some parts of ancient Greece and ancient Rome, possibly also ancient Egypt, and I am sure even more cultures that I am not aware of now.

In ancient Greece, it was accepted as a phase men went through (funnily enough it was old men and a young mentor - pederasty) marriage was still expected. It was in no way elvated or formalised or considered anything like marriage. Why should it be?

carefreewannabe:
OOOOOoooo, so now a few cultures allowed it? Didn't you say the following before?

Whether it was permitted and how it was considered are two different things - as I explained re Greece above.

carefreewannabe:
Before I teach you again, in some cultures gay marriages were allowed long before Christ was born. Do your research.

Nope. The practice may have been overlooked or allowed. It may even have been ritualised to a degree, but it was never considered as marriage.

carefreewannabe:
Have you got a problem with homo*sexuality or with gay marriages or both?

Homosexuality is morally repugnant and sinful. I do not foreclose on peoples choice to practice it or deny them rights as a result. Just like fornicators and adulterers.

Gay marriage is an oxymoron. The distinctive of marriage is of it being a formalised male/female union. It arose due to the procreative possibilty of same. Non-existent in a gay union.

carefreewannabe:
How are you persecuted for sharing your views?

One cannot preach a negative view of homosexuality or refuse to publicly declare approval for it without sanctions in the climate that prevails in the West. You can lose your job, business or livelihood and be socially ostracised.


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carefreewannabe:
It is a real answer. Very straight and simple.

No utterly simplistic - what you are fond of accusing others of !

carefreewannabe:
Which rights do homo*sexuals demand that are exclusive to them?

Not just exclusive to them, but also forced upon others;
- Redefinition of marriage
- Right to teach children that homosexual pracice is normal & healthy
- Right to procure children
- Right to force others to endorse and participate in their perversion

carefreewannabe:
Homophobic people.

Are basically people who do not unquestioningly accede to the demands of homosexuals - Proudly !

carefreewannabe:
They want to enjoy the same acceptance that you and I do despite their se*xual preference which is, as you rightly put it, part of their human experience and not their entire existence.

They are accepted like everyone else - what they want is for us to re-configure society and culture around their sexual preference. No!

carefreewannabe:
Why NOT?

Because it's unnatural and unhealthy - but their choice - not something to be forced onto wider society

carefreewannabe:
Are you sure that homo*sexuality has been considered aberrant all through history? Are you 100% sure?

Yes! It is abberant, by it's very nature. It's an abnormal practice. Was there ever a time it was considered 100% normal everywhere?

Even the few cultures that allowed it, knew to keep it peripheral at best, and did not confuse or conflate it with marriage. Most cultures rightly considered it morally repugnant. It adds no value and is deleterious.

Was everyone up until 20 years ago a bigot/homophobe. How recently did Obama "evolve" on the issue? Was he a bigot before his evolution? And if there are some who haven't or won't evolve to accepting/celebrating it, why are they persecuted.


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carefreewannabe:
Despite!

Exactly, no real answer.

Why do a set of people demand a whole set of rights exclusive to them based purely on their sexual preference?

In as much as our sexual practice are a part of the human experience, what rational person views the whole of life experience through that practice?

Why do they demand the social endorsement and legal codification and cultural celebration of that preference?

Why is something that through history and across civilisation been considered aberrant at best, all of a sudden become something that must be embedded into the social fabric?


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carefreewannabe:
I have seen many disgusting people and places in my life. I didn't know it was a matter of hetero- or homose*xuality.

If it's not a matter of "hetero" or "homo", why do homos demand rights based on their homosexuality?


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crackhaus:
Sir TV01, acknowledging your mention...

Exercise:
This is important for total well-being, no two ways about it.
There are many different ways to go about it, building biceps or sculpting abs are the aesthetic aspect of it.

Walking, running, and just any activity that increases blood flow is a good enough exercise as long as it's done consistently.

For the guys like me who prefer gaining extra muscle tone, a work out routine has to be figured out and conveniently adhered to - going to a gym may not be convenient for most people, and in such cases it's okay to discipline oneself in a self-help/home workout regimen.

I personally have dumbells - it's effective for me in the sense that I don't have to stick to a time frame or set/reps number.
I also advise doing press ups everyday, this is important - at least two sets of 50rep pushups a day is good for starters....if 50reps seems too much to accomplish for a beginner, it can be broken down into five sets of 10reps with not too long breaks in-between.

Having a dumbell in hand also works well, as it can be added into the routine - sit ups too can be included for those seeking well defined packs.
The use of dumbells come in many different styles/positions, netsose already touched on that so I won't go into that.


On a normal workout day for me, I start with the dumbells doing one set of 50reps...then immediately go down to press ups in one set of 100reps - I take a break and repeat.
This particular routine is not done everyday though, neither is it only in the mornings. Sometimes right before bed when I remember I haven't done any workout that day, I just get down and do press ups only then head back to bed.

If I were obsessed over bulking up, I would definitely do more - so this routine above is for those who just want to be fit with the added perk of gaining some chest/back width, as well as some muscle mass on the biceps.
Sometimes I do pull ups too, but not as often as the other two.

Every other exercise I feel I require is taken care of by engaging in leisure activities - swimming, football... I don't skip though, never really got the hang of it.

More suggestions are welcome.

The point so far is that going to a professional gym on the regular is not the only or most effective way... if that's what the person desires however, he can go ahead - if I had the time, I would register with one but at home and at my own convenience works perfectly.

Dumbells can be bought or made, bench with long handle weights attached can also be made if that's what you're into.
I have a friend who has one at his place, we play with it from time to time.


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I apologize if my post seems rushed, I decided I must respond to this mention tonight - I may not be able to do so tomorrow considering my schedule.

Exactimundo - find what works for you. Work to your own goals. Simple. That's a man, charting his own course.


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Nonso23:
About the exercise i'm still too too young to be bothered about bellies but nontheless i hate excessive muscles and will rather just be fit than become a bag of muscles. Currently I'm not actively exercising. Body still dey in order.

Being healthy and fit isn;t really about muscles - at best they are a secondary effect. It's about being physically capable, alert and performing at your best and setting yourself up for L/T good health.

Nonso23:
About the open marriage ish. I gladly will endorse it. By 50 and above a lot women will have their sex appeal at a very near zero ebb while the attractiveness of men will sorta skyrocket. It is a fact. Nothing to be bothered about. Besides is it a wrinkled, shrivelling 40 something year old woman that will land a standard hot 20 something year old when younger girls are not short in supply?

Leave that thing jor. women love fantasizing. Pity the real world is not fantasy. We know who will gain and lose in that kind of arrangement.\
I am even thinking about putting up a thread about it self. i just dey check NL family section weather for now.

Obviously I can't endorse it, but totally agree that if men are savvy, there can only be one winner in that game. Like who currently has all the benefits from polygamy? It remains a mans world .


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Timbuktou:
Lovely that you bring this up TV01. Been recently trying to resume a regimen after a couple of years off after having a nasty injury. Since then, it's been running basically. I don't eat much so I lost a whole lot of muscle and fat and I've been away from home for the better part of a year .

Hope you are fully recovered. Take it easy and work your way back. Systematically, progressively. It's certainly worth it long-term.

I developed this niggly problem in my lefty calf. Overdid it on a holiday some years back and it just never settled. As a result, I haven't run properly for about 3 -4 years. Really aiming to get back into it this year

Timbuktou:
Anyway, I'm eager to get back to healthy ways. I'm kinda wary of too much bulk, as a result, I used to be D'angelo-ish. When I get back home, which is about a month from now , will get a membership and pile on till I'm back to where I would like to be. For now, though, it's push-ups, crunches and running. Don't want to get too skinny

As I mentioned in an earlier post, short of dedicating yourself to lifting heavy weights and possibly drug enhancement, it's won't happen. It's good that you do what you can pending a return to normalcy - it all helps. I envy your running sha! Keep us posted on progress.

A man who is fit and healthy has an edge that can't be faked.

Timbuktou:
Meanwhile, per the open marriage thread , I guess my bullshiit radar went into a frenzy. The motive was so blatant, I mean, if not practicable interest, I noticed a fantasy out of reach, perhaps, a lost opportunity. . However, we still have to accept people at their word sometimes, don't we?

I was just laughing - sometimes it's better to let them mouth off, as they spew all sorts and it can be downright hilarious. All marriages are boring. Like spinsterhood or divorce is a F/T bundle of laughs. And the searching questions as to modalities - some beta may well have it coming !

Timbuktou:
Same with the soft porn frenzy/emancipation. The hamster is at work in us all, but on the other side, I find it totally amusing and there seems to be no intent to quiet it, seems to me to be pleasurably dangerous like a diabetic on a steady diet of coke and cake. No wonder we are here to keep things real. Let me quit rambling here. I'd rather learn from veterans such as yourself.

Sir, it was hillarious! Funny how left uninterrupted their rationalisations go into overdrive. Veteran ke? A blind man would see it . The man she cheated with morphed into a "love god" and they almost tingled each other into comas

The bible says "one does not hope for what one sees, or else why hope". If they could obtain such men on a regular or permanently, why would they fantasize about them?

I have no doubt what they, or their men - those that have them - are in terms of looks/fitness. Why won't it be boring !


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netotse:
Mennnn that diet is a difficult one o...I need to start cooking though. We get fed lunch at work, breakfast is mostly bread and akara (it's like a ritual among the engineers and technician, someone buys and we all share), I'm usually too tired to cook when I get back (not like I can cook sef ). Have at most a year of Bachelorhood left though...lol.

First port of call diet wise is to cut out too much of the wrong type of food and increase the right type. Swap red meat for fish and/or chicken. Increase veg and fruit intake. Hydrate properly - with water, not palm wine

It's a good thong to have routines set-up and refined place before marriage, then you can modify them according to the demands, whilst still getting your work outs.

netotse:
yep, the changes are there...I fill out my clothing now, cant claim buff because of the tummy though . One of my colleagues wife (who's also a colleague) remarked I was growing "breasts"...lol. You're right about the benefits though.

Hand held weights and press-ups will certainly help define your chest, arms and back. They won't however do much in the way of shedding fat - which is what you need to do to get that flat stomach/6 pack.

netotse:
When the 10kg Dumbells become too light I'll move to 20kg then stop there, not looking to become too large though.

Without dedicating yourself almost solely to lifting, drugs or eating like the hulk, you won't ever get too big for your frame - no worries. You just need to increase cardio to reduce fat and slim down in the middle.

Instead of increasing the size, just do more reps - reps are better for toning, more weight for size.

netotse:
I remember the pic of you skipping you posted once...lol. How do you build up to skipping 20mins plus without tripping over the rope? I tend to tangle my feet after getting to 50reps or so...once or twice in a session I make hundred. Makes skipping less interesting. Most of the material online just says skip for so and so...na so e easy reach?

20 mins is not that much, anything less than 30 mins I don't consider a proper workout - or will count it as warming up. Everyone gets the odd tangle - sometimes you can just zone out sef - but resuming is a split second and does not affect the workout. Skipping is all in the wrist and ankles, nor the shoulders.

NL is taking larger files now, so I'll try and post the whole thing. It will give better insights into technique and form

netotse:
Running ke? the standard excuse is if something now happens to me in this village what will I tell people I was doing...running for fun abi? . Seriously though...running isn't an option here.

why wouldn't using a treadmill be as good as running? I downloaded a ton of videos from Khan Academy and I figure I can do two things at once.

Running free is the best. treadmills are good, just not as good. In fact, I can't truly say that categorically - some people prefer treadmills. But they can more than do the job if that's what you have. I would seriously get that rowing machine back into action - mix it up with the treadmill. One or both of these will solve the belly issue. But high intensity, sweat is your proof - build up gradually though.

netotse:
Also, I'm not quite sure how to tie-in my man makers with the lifting and skipping, you mentioned thrice weekly work outs, can you shed a bit more light?

I'll post my workout - but essentially you can build a circuit out of what you have.

5 mins skipping, 5 mins on the rowing machine, then 5 mins on the treadmill. In between each five minute set do ten man makers.
Repeat, but in between, do 10 press ups. Repeat, but in between do 10 burpees proper.

Try and mix the exercises so you are not overworking one part of the body, but kkep the pace high. You can take 30/60 second breaks to start but look to vastly reduce or eliminate these.

You can vary as suits, and scale up as you get fitter


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An0nimus:
Yes

Used to be slim too. Now there's 'the belly' and I fear it could get worse. No equipment around neither can I use a gym atm. The little push ups and sit ups I do are sporadic.

How effective is the skipping?

Both those exercises are a start but by themselves wont get you fit.

Skipping is great - once you get the hang of it. And of course it's high on convenience.

In lieu of access to a gym or any equipment, it sounds like body weight exercises and jogging/running may be your best options. Running preferably on grass or sand.

You can actually worth through a series of burpees, star jumps, tuck jumps, squats,bunny hops etc. in succession with brief rest periods and obtain a great workout. Try outube for further ideas.

Review your diet and cutting down/out booze is always a good idea.


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I've learned a few things over the years

1. find out what works for you
2. Adopt a systematic approach - there are no quick fixes to long term gains or health
3. Priper diet plays a huge role in fitness
4. High intensity makes a huge difference

netotse:
I used to be skinny but now I'm filling out. Belly's starting to bulge I live in a rural area so a proper gym isn't accessible. Bought some exercise stuff, most of which I dont use

At least you have it in mind and even better have acted.

netotse:
The routine I'm most serious with is:

10kg in each hand -Bench 20reps
10kg one hand at a time- Bicep curls 14reps
6kg one hand at a time - overhead triceps curls 20 reps

I do the routine 3 times in a row. I aim for 4 days a week.

Are you seeing changes/gains/improvement?

netotse:
I plan to start doing renegade man makers, they are modified [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burpee_%28exercise%29]burpees[/url], I would recommend them. Try doing ten in a row and you would understand why...lol.

Burpees are the daddy - a great body weight exercise. Good for everything. I use them in 2 of my 3 weekly workouts. I watch the video after posting. I'll also post my Tuesday kettlebell/circuit session.

netotse:
I try to skip once in a while but I'm far from faithful with that , I rarely use my rowing machine but I've relocated it to somewhere I see it more frequently so hopefully I will be more inspired. You can see I dont do a lot of cardio...not sensible right?

My background is amateur boxing, so I know all about skipping. When in Nigeria it's the only piece of kit I take/use. 30 mins in the early morning sun is a great start to the day. The rope never makes it home with me sha! Someone always nabs it. Happy to see it helping someone

I've never been a big rower, but it's a great exercise - proven to be possibly the best al round one except maybe swimming?

I'm also a huge fan of cardio. But note that my body type means I like the results

netotse:
Planning to start saving to buy a treadmill , that way I can watch stuff on TV and exercise at the same time.

I honestly don't think a treadmill will be an improvement on a rowing machine. Especially with skipping as an alternate. I'd recommend running - preferably on grass or sand.

netotse:
One of my major issues with exercise is that I don't like exercises that require all my attention. after a while I feel I should be reading or doing something more serious.

Advice would be very welcome.

You'll like the results. And it helps in the masculine attributes of strenght, boldness, clear thinking, virtue and honour.

Hope this helps but let me know about specifics.


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The whole notion of "homosexual" and it’s derivatives – i.e. homophobia - are deceptive ideological constructs and do not bear real scrutiny. Anyone that did more than meekly accept the false premises used to pivot such arguments would immediately see that.

Human beings are sexed male and female. Males and females are sexually complimentary to and with each other – evidenced by the procreative aspects of their physical union.

Opposite sex attraction is rightly considered normal – whilst same sex attraction is simply abnormal. Using the counter-distinct terms heterosexual and homosexual merely serves to legitimise an inherent disorder.

So called hets and homos are in no way functionally different from one another. So all we need and should have is a notion of human rights. There is no need – other than ideologically – for any notion of gay rights.

Having said that, I fully expect and actively support – be the claim nature or nurture – those who identify as “homosexual” having full human rights, just like everyone else. Likewise, I believe those that find homosexuals to be morally repugnant to have every right to their beliefs.

I do not support a separate set of rights simply due to identification as homosexual. Neither do I see why issues discussed with “homosexuals” should always be viewed from a point of their sexual practice.

The homosexual lifestyle as found in humans is not found anywhere in nature. Even the behaviours forcibly described as homosexual rarely stand close examination. Animals are driven by instinct. Infanticide is rife in nature - so what?

Marriage for example is distinctive in being a male/female union – and for a number of obvious reasons. I do not agree to the re-definition of marriage to affirm homosexual behavour. Call that what you please.


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Holá,

Been having a read of some threads and thought it would be good to touch on some issues;

1. Exercise - what do people currently do? Is it sporadic, systematic or totally non-existent. What works? Waht are the issues we face in terms of accessibility, facitilites and convenience? Are people aware how imprtant and the difference this can make are. Is anyone wanting to make gains here but in need of advice or support?

Pickabeau1, I'm tagging you here, as I recall you were starting a programme (skipping) some time back.


2. Hypergamy again. Timbuktou, tagging you on this one. I saw how you spotted the rationalisation that women go through when they are scheming. "Innocently" asking questions about open marriages (without scrutinising the premise or the motivator) certainly suggests thats what was at play.

Likewise the way they rationalised their love for soft-porn ! Surely if they could avail themselves of such men long-term, why not just do it, instead of fantasising about what they can't get - and not least because the men in qustion can simply procure better quality women.

It also speaks to the "men seek the best girl they can get" vs. "women all feel they deserve the best men there are" dichotomy.

Ihedinobi, Crackhaus, 5minsmadness, An0nimus, Netostse, Nonso23, Njokusboy, Coogar(where are you sef?)


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Sophyrocks:
Dnt allow my boo trace you down and catch you!

Sophy, Sophy, Sophy . Please spill and let us jolly jolly and merry make . A whole "boo". It sounds serious? Oya, whats the scoop?

Sophyrocks:
Hehehe. In a relationship o. not married.

https://www.google.co.uk/#q=put+a+ring+on+it

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carefreewannabe:
Let me show you one messy society full of anomalies that does not flourish despite the high importance of the traditional family unit: Nigeria.

Whatever Nigerias issues - and they are manifold - the moving away from the traditional family unit will only worsen things. And that move is being exacerbated by aping Western ideologies/practices.

carefreewannabe:
Despite.

As I've explained previously, having a few exceptions on the margins will not overly affect a nations flourishing if traditional marriage remains the prevailing norm. However, let things such as de-facto relationships start to gain a real foothold and the problems will soon start to manifest. Hope you are proud of the fact that you are helping to seed Germany' ruin. Don't worry Pegida will soon turn their sights on you .

carefreewannabe:
No, it's rather you who makes oversimplified conclusions.

We know you too well Carefree - "we have a "relationship" - you lime to deploy your "oversimplification" assertion without offering any of your own, let alone a more detailed analysis. It's a ruse you use to weasel out of positions. You shoul dstick to gif and emoticons - at least there was some humour content with those.


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