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brocab:
"No" but the 16th Century was a great time when the believers read the bible for the first time, in their own national language, don't you agree? Uben..

i don't agree before the 16cent there were already secondly bible translations in european languages, the word was able to be read by anyone who was educated since latin was the language of education.



The 16cent only saw a rise in heresy and heretics.

mikedimeji:
Pls help me advice him better. This is as a result of erroneous teaching out there. Someone even said the moment u give ur life to Christ heaven becomes automatic irrespective of anything u do along the line, what can I says than to laugh but I was happy everybody disagree with him that day. Some people's Christianity is so mechanical that u ask urself is this how it was done in the days of Christ.

may God save us from hypocrites and heretics.

ITbomb:
Jesus operated a faith under Judaism that the promised Messiah has come. He still attended the synagogue, temple and did things according to the tradition of the Jews but with a new message of love and personal relationship with The Father.

Even Peter followed suit even after the Pentecost as well as all others who were with Christ during His time on earth BUT Paul was given a different mandate by Christ after his resurrection.

Christ on earth repeatedly talked about saving the Jews first before giving the crumbs to the Gentiles but we would never understand what happened after resurrection that he commissioned Paul specifically for the Gentile.

The gospel we hear today is more of the new mandate given to Paul and not the version Peter was mandated by Christ Himself to spread (ie Christian faith within Judaism) that's why Peter and Paul initially had some clash before they decided to take their respective gospel to their targeted audience.
Peter to the Jews
Paul to the Gentiles

Read Acts 15
If you consider vs 5, you will observe that certain believers in Christ were still Pharisees.
After the arguments, you read the final verdict in vs 29.
If you read the Bible well you will notice that from then onwards, Paul's teaching dominated the rest of the gospel.

You are creating a false dichotomy, even paul was a jew-like christian just like Jesus and prayer.


Paul was known to visit the temple anytime he was in Jerusalem, he made a point of going to the synagogues every time he arrives a town and he also preach first to Jews until he was rejected by them before the gentiles.

It was after he failed with the Jews that he styled himself apostle of the gentiles and left Jewish conversion to others.


Peter wasn't exclusively for the Jews either, he began the welcoming of the gentiles with cornelius declaring the gentiles to be christian and historically he is known to have preach in gentiles launch.


Stop the false dichotomy.
Thanks

johnw74:
truly those who pray before statues and paintings etc. etc. etc. are not part of the body of Christ,
u baba r greatly deceived.

so you think christianity began in the 16th century?

blackbriar:
i still don't think you read my post carefully

he isnt interested in knowing anything, he is happy in ignorance and would rather abuse what he doesnt understand than make research.

It is time to end the discussion.

lonikit:
tnx. but are u saying sins cannot be forgiven without confessing to priest

Who said this now?

God can forgive sins anyhow he wants, but the ordinary means of forgiveness in the new testament church confession and it is important for any catholic in grievious sin.

onyenze123:
“The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend a personal God and avoid dogmas and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual,it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual, as a meaningful unity.”

What are you quoting and why should i agree with that mans opinion.

johnw74:
ha ha, u keep saying rcc compiled the new testament, and yet u don't believe the nt, or the ot, because they show rcc doctrines to be false

many false rcc doctrines of course differ to the Bible, and u don't care about that
u believe your satanic doctrines over God's Inspired word
u believe the writings of evil men who have made up doctrines that differ to the Bible
the Bible is rubbish to u, but of course the real garbage is the rcc anti Bibical doctrines.

Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct--as irrational animals do--will destroy them.
Jude 1:10

brocab:
It really wouldn't do me any good asking a priest-I don't believe your doctrine even exist. Thanks anyway.
There is information flying in all directions over the net, plus I have seen with my own eye's-the twist and the turns you Catholic's have shown, your disbelief towards God's Word, stands-so talking with another priest wouldn't make a difference, he/she will fill me in, with the unscriptural knowledge, just like you do.
And if you don't believe, neither will the priest believe.

Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct--as irrational animals do--will destroy them. Jude 1;10

fromnigeria:
Thank youmy dear believer. You can see how obvious, it is that OP is a either an Unbeliever a growing christian who is over zealous.


The truth remains that. A true christian, a follower of Christ's teachings (not a church goer), will never go to bed with an opposite sex, for any reason. NEVER!! NEVER!!!

Kudos dear, keep up the faith.

You must be the most holy christian ever since you think a christian doesnt sin.

Ageco:
It's scriptural to deny intending couple church wedding. Sex outside marriage is fornication and fornication is condemned by the Lord. They can have their traditional marriage and start living together. The church can't condone sin. Stop peddling error please

It means your church simply lack the power to pronounce forgiveness for the repentant!
if your church cant welcome the repentant then it has no business to be called a church.

fromnigeria:
Thank youmy dear believer. You can see how obvious, it is that OP is a either an Unbeliever a growing christian who is over zealous.


The truth remains that. A true christian, a follower of Christ's teachings (not a church goer), will never go to bed with an opposite sex, for any reason. NEVER!! NEVER!!!

Kudos dear, keep up the faith.

You must be the most holy christian ever since you think a christian doesnt sin.

Amberon11:
This is how false preachers and doctrines spring up.

As Christians , you do not do what you "like" when it comes to Christianity. You do what is right in the light of God's word. Jesus Christ has stated that he is the only way to God and our only intercessor, anything else is not Christianity.

are you sure there is only one intercessor, i can bet you are mistaken.

Iamabod:
Through history... and what have read so far about catholism.... It simply an Organisation.... leaving under the umbrella of Christianity....

that organisation also gave you the bible in its present form and preserved christianity for 2000yrs.

Have some respect child.

OLAADEGBU:
Jesus did not come to preach religion, He came to seek and to save those that are lost, wherever they may be.

religion
noun
1. the belief in and worship of a
superhuman controlling power,
especially a personal God




Jesus came to preach a religion, it is called Christianity.

PastorAIO:
Here are some more Idol worshippers in nigeria.

[img]http://yemitom.files./2011/10/girl-kneeling-and-boy-prostrating-for-a-woman2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://yemitom.files./2011/10/groom-anad-his-friends-greeting-the-brides-family-and-receiving-their-blessings2.jpg[/img]

hehehe

We are all idol worshippers finally.

asuustrike2009:
They are here already. They are viewing the thread

still waiting

lonikit:
I never said its wrong, I'm only asking if its compulsory or if dere are negative effects of not doin it with priest but to God directly. its a doctrine in Catholic to make confess to priests.

must we go through priest bfr our sins be forgiven

www.aggiecatholicblog.org/2012/08/is-confession-to-a-catholic-priest-necessary-or-can-you-go-straight-to-god/



Also read this.

asuustrike2009:
It's not a must you go through the priest before confession.

are you a Catholic, the topic actually says Catholic.

lonikit:
its obvious that u HaV no ans to the question sir.

must we go to priest for confession?
can't pray to God fr the forgiveness of our sin?

Since you enjoy everything as milk, here it is.


A practicing Catholic should as much as possible go to confession as the ordinary means of forgiveness for serious sins even though he may have presented the same sin in prayer.


One can always pray to God for forgiveness of any sin but in cases of mortal sin one should as soon as possible avail of the sacrament of confession, it Isn't optional for a practicing Catholic.


Hope that is simple enough for you.

asuustrike2009:
The pictures below speaks better

not really

You pictures only shows people kneeling and bowing in front of an images, i can show you pictures of pastors kneeling and bowing in front of their bibles, are they worshiping the bibles? You need to ask them to know that. So i ask you again to produce the Catholics who told you they worship images.

Your pictures don't say shit.

asuustrike2009:
They don't like the forum at all so it would be difficult to invite them

since you cant produce them I'll assume they are imaginary, if they aren't then they clearly are largely misinformed Catholics, as no knowledgeable Catholic will be silly enough to worship images. In fact the worship of images is condemned in catholicism as gravely sinful and immoral.

johnw74:
The Bible contains the only Holy writings, which u rc's reject over false rcc doctrines

are you talking about the same new testament the Catholic Church compiled or another?

johnw74:
i know the truth is rubbish to u

no. rubbish is rubbish to me. Your copy and paste didn't even try to tell you who compiled the new testament canon yet it went on and on about the Catholic Church.

That certainly is a load of rubbish, when you have a copy and paste source that tells you how the new testament was compiled let me know.

johnw74:
@bold, that is blasphemy praying to all of those people who have died and angels, and then saying saying "Glory Be To The Father"
oh blinded one

it reminds me of the rosary where ten hail mary's are prayed and then one our Father

do you even know the meaning of blasphemy Or do you just enjoy saying seemingly big wordS.

brocab:
Do you actually believe the Lord is talking about those already in heaven? Wait I will just wake the dead up-since you believe they are still with us-I may have to ask them which direction they are going-before asking for their prayers.
"No" he is not talking about praying to heavenly saints, they can't hear us, but God can, God said: we must pray to Him in heaven, but on earth we are to pray with each other, and God is in the mist of us who are gathered in His name.
Your doctrine doesn't show any evidence it really exist.

visit a priest and ask him these questions .

Thanks

johnw74:
because the rcc has many unbibical lies in it's teachings

so if a toyota car is very faulty the right thing to do is read about it from innoson abi?

That again is silly logic.


When you wish to critique something you hold it to yourself to atleast read the material you are critiquing, you cant critique carl max if you have not read his work.

You cant objectively critique the Catholic Church by reading matt slick. Start from the beginning if you are truly unbiased and objective. Read up from the Church what she teaches then you can Start critiquing.

brocab:
Please Uben explain-where is it written in the bible-Mary is sitting on her Sons right side of the throne.

it actually is in the bible, gleaned from psalm, but since i am unwilling to continue a rather unproductive argument, i'll rather ask that write it down and add it to the issues you wish to ask a priest.

brocab:
"Really" it seems you Catholic's haven't been taught anything about the bible, or any of the verses written in it.
Praying to Mary and other dead saints is not biblical, and praying to anyone other then God is idolatry, nor to bow down to a statue or a painting, and bow down to them, is evil, and it's forbidden in scripture.
When confronting the Catholic's they say, they don't pray to them, but we ask them to pray for us {We all have spoken with Catholic's, and of course they had agreed they pray directly to Mary}
Nowhere in scripture does it say pray to dead saints, Nowhere in scripture does it say ask dead saints to pray for you. Nowhere does it say that people in heaven will pray for people on Earth.
Live Christians on Earth can pray for you, but dead people will not pray to God for you, and we can't find any passages to justify this.
And the question is, why pray to the dead-when you can pray to straight to God?
It's a evil and terrible thing to pray to Mary, but Catholic's seem to worship Mary-more then they do Jesus.
The Lord will not share His Glory with anyone, but the Catholic's will do all what they can do, to justify rebellion, but the truth is Catholicism will continual to put many people on the road to Hell.

The Salve Regina {hail Holy Queen} is Blaspheme.
[Hail Holy Queen Mother, Mother of Mercy, our life our sweetness and our hope}
To thee do we cry, poor banished Children of Eve; to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in the valley of tears. Turn then most gracious advocate, thine eye's of mercy towards us, and after this our exile show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus O clement, O loving, O sweet, Virgin Mary!"

Catholic's we have one mediator, and this is Jesus.
{1 Timothy 2:5} There is One God, and one mediator between God and man, the messiah Jesus.
{Hebrews 7:25} Wherefore He is able also to save them, to the uttermost that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever lived to make intersession for them.
{John 14:13-14} And whatsoever you shall ask in My name, that will I do, that the Father maybe glorified in His Son, if you shall ask anything in My name I will do it.

Prayer is worship, "The angel said: "No" worship God, not me, "Peter said: get up.
{Revelation 19:10} hen I bowed down at the angels feet to worship him, but he said: to me, do not worship me, for I am a servant, like you, and your brothers and sisters who have the message about Jesus, Worship God, because the message about Jesus is the Spirit that gives all prophesy.
{Acts 10:25-26} When Peter entered, Cornelius met him, fell at Peters feet and worship him, but Peter helped him up, saying, "stand up" I too am only a human.

Mary idolatry in the Catholic Church.
{2 chronicles 33:15} And he took away the strange god's, and the idol out of the house of the Lord, and all the altars that he had built in the mount of the house of the Lord, and in Jerusalem and cast them out of the city.
{Leviticus 26:1} Ye shall make you no idols nor graven images, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall you set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it, for I am the Lord your God.

The Scripture never ever say's pray to dead people, or ask dead people to pray for you.
{Matthew 6:9} Pray like this-Our Father in Heaven hallowed be thy name.
{Philippians 4:6} Be careful for nothing, but with everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving, let your request known unto God.
{Lamentations 3:40-41} Let us test and examine our ways, and return to the Lord! Let us lift up our hearts and hand to God in Heaven.

Speaking with the dead in scripture is always associated with sorcery.
{Leviticus 20;27} Men and women among you who act as medians or who {Consult the spirits of the dead} Must be put to death by stoning, They are guilty of a capital offence.
{Deuteronomy 18:9-12} When thou art come into the land which the Lord thy God given thee, thou shalt not to do after the abominations of those nations, there shalt be not found among you any one that make his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that use divination, or a observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, or an charmer, or an consulter, with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer, For all that who do these thing are an abomination to the Lord: and because of these abominations, thy Lord your God doth drive them out from before thee.

But here are some reminders for you Catholic's, just in case you do turn yourselves fully over to God.
{John 14:6} Jesus said: to him I am the way and the truth, and the life, no-one comes to the Father except through Me.
{1 john 4:1} Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, to see weather they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
{Matthew 6:7} And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases, as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their many words.
When I think about it-it would be pretty scary, to find out-on judgement day-I will end up in Hell-because I had chosen Mary, and all the saints to be my mediator's between man and God, instead of Jesus.

i would have offered a rebuttal but i have already advised you to see a priest. Do well to the us how it went.

brocab:
Then the history must be wrong-while you Uben are right.

This again shows your ignorance , tyndale bible was translated from the greek manuscripts compiled by Erasmus. This is a verifiable.

brocab:
Which Church? Since the Catholic Church had separated themselves from the world.

The question remains, as the saints in heavy members of the body of Christ Or does death remove people from Christ?

It is a simple question Stop dodging It.