₦airaland Forum

Syncan:
It is a no brainier really. Every religion established by a person often keeps vestiges of the one from which this founder emanates. Christianity came from Judaism, the earliest Christian Church, the Catholic church keeps vestiges of Judaism. That's visible for example in their Priests and bishops dressings compared to the synagogue priests of Judaism, use of Incense in their worship, even in the Bible compiled by them you find common books used by both religion etc. Same way, Islam arose at a time when the Catholic Church was the only Christian church on ground. Vestiges of her practices and faith will naturally be deposed in Islam. As the times get wider and the religion is influenced by other factors such as modernism, breakaway factions-also depending on why they left- may look less and less like the earlier ones.

I agree with this whole heartedly

zionmade:
I dont worship and will never worship the same God with muslims.Its a fat lie. My God is not Allah or watever they choose to call him.
to call a spade a spade if my God is the true God den allah is d devil himself and vice versa.
sorry to add this the way catholics are romancing islam shows dat the end of the world is near.

does your church have a branch in Egypt? How do they say God there? I have an Arabic xtian friend and the likes saying holy is God in Arabic and it sounds like quo...... Allah.

brocab:
You don't stand at all Uben-matter of fact you sit under it all" as true as this is, Johnw74 is correct-Johnw74 had told you first hand-the whereabouts of Nazareth House and its locations in Australia, the problem is, Uben, Nazareth House in Scotland was just one of places that happen-you aren't denying that fact, you aren't denying your beloved Church was involved in the crimes against humanity, you aren't denying your beloved Church, molested and raped young Children, in Scotland.
Isn't this enough to know, you agreed.
Do I have to say anymore?

lol

If you have read my posts here you would have known that I have no problem agreeing that for about 2000yrs men and women of God have committed horrible crimes while hiding behind the church. There is a difference between a "a man or woman of the cloth" committing sin and the church.

Catholicism doesn't teach people to molest children or steal children or participate in a government policy that steals children. The church didn't steal any child nor did it molest any child in fact such actions are considered sinful and prohibited for Catholics and yet we have unfortunate, tragic cases where people who should know better involve themselves in such cases.


If you were molested then I sympathize with you and I advise you to take legal action to make sure the perpetrators get prison term.

blueAgent:
I have gone through those site. they are all garbage same rubbish doctrine from the pit of Hell.

and you are the infallible omni-knowest abi?

blueAgent:
Can you give me an example in the Bible where people prayed to the dead to intercede for them or bible verses that supports us praying to the dead.

just after you give the verse that says every christian practice is recorded in scriptures.

johnw74:
false accuser uben, u say anything, try the truth for a change

Just a few:

Sisters of Nazareth accused of impeding historic sex abuse ... - ABC
www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-23/sisters-of-nazareth-accused-of.../7050832
Dec 22, 2015 - Sisters of Nazareth accused of impeding historic sex abuse investigation ... trying to identify the nun who he says used him as a intimacy gadget at the age of eight, at Nazareth House in Camberwell. .... Care Leavers Australia Network.

Melbourne Catholic Priests Warned To Ignore Letter On Child Abuse ...
www.smh.com.au › News › National
Oct 29, 2009 - Archbishop Hart's letter, sent on October 20, says the sexual abuse ... of Nazareth who ran the Nazareth House children's home in Ballarat.

Nuns accused of torture, sex assaults - theage.com.au
www.theage.com.au › Home › National News
Aug 29, 2002 - A former student at Nazareth House in the Brisbane bayside suburb of Wynnum claimed yesterday that two nuns at the former church ...

I stand corrected

Ubenedictus:
I stand corrected

johnw74:
false accuser uben, u say anything, try the truth for a change

Just a few:

Sisters of Nazareth accused of impeding historic sex abuse ... - ABC
www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-23/sisters-of-nazareth-accused-of.../7050832
Dec 22, 2015 - Sisters of Nazareth accused of impeding historic sex abuse investigation ... trying to identify the nun who he says used him as a intimacy gadget at the age of eight, at Nazareth House in Camberwell. .... Care Leavers Australia Network.

Melbourne Catholic Priests Warned To Ignore Letter On Child Abuse ...
www.smh.com.au › News › National
Oct 29, 2009 - Archbishop Hart's letter, sent on October 20, says the sexual abuse ... of Nazareth who ran the Nazareth House children's home in Ballarat.

Nuns accused of torture, sex assaults - theage.com.au
www.theage.com.au › Home › National News
Aug 29, 2002 - A former student at Nazareth House in the Brisbane bayside suburb of Wynnum claimed yesterday that two nuns at the former church ...

I stand corrected.

oaroloye:
SHALOM!



"RUG RIDER?"

Clearly you are under Oyinbo influence.

Muhammed was a Camel Driver.

Not just anybody can control a Camel.

YOU cannot- or you would have a lot more respect.

Secondly, have tou even READ the "WHISPERINGS" (they weren't "whisperings," of Angel Gabriel?

They are GENIUS!

They may be EVIL GENIUS, but they are STILL GENIUS.

Thirdly, THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH set up Muhammad since before he went public, telling the peoples to expect a great leader to arrive. They manipulated Muhammad ffrom the get-go, and planned use him to unite the Arabs, and turn them to THEMSELVES through HIM.

But the Plan backfired.

Hello take it easy on the conspiracy theories.

Explorers:
Actually i can't explain this better, but do you know that when they launch or fire some missiles at targets most esp fighter jets, they track or go after the jet to all direction(Up, down, left&right) untill they hit or destroy the plane or may be run out of projector.

What's attracting these missiles to their targets, what are they following or tracking

I think its the heat of the afterburner, exhaust, and every plane and launched weapon has that, making them possible to be tracked.

The defence missiles can't miss the heat of the ICBM.

Not really, the US tested their anti icbm systems and it wasnt encouraging, they say it is like shooting a bullet with a bullet.... it isnt a perfect science.

An2elect2:
You bloody liar. Who is not aware of how violently murderous your mother cult is. Go and tell this lie to your fellow pagans.

Willian Tyndale was killed on the 6th October 1536

5 YEARS earlier king henry took control of the catholic church in england and made himself the supreme head, he killed any catholic against his claim include st thomas more and bishop fisher he formed what became known as the 'anglican church'.


So kindly correct yourself, it was the anglicans your fellow protestant who kill william tyndale in their country according to their laws, King henry had already been excommunicated.

An2elect2:
You bloody liar. Who is not aware of how violently murderous your mother cult is. Go and tell this lie to your fellow pagans.

oh! i am very much aware of the history of the church, the inquisitions and crusades. Do you know that ur protestant groups were also violent?

Are you aware that tyndale was sentence to death for illegal printing and distribution of error-filled scripture in england and in accordance with english laws during d reign of king henry the founder of anglicanism?

brocab:
This just say's it all-how smart you believe you are Uben-you haven't the slightest idea what you are saying-Nazareth House was one of the most popular institutions that was used as a holding cell for young Children-but I am not expecting you to know your history about Nazareth House anywhere, my focus is about the crimes the Catholic Church had committed against society in genial?
Nazareth House played their part with crimes against Children-no-one can deny the truth-Nazareth House is built everywhere, Nun's had their part to play-the Church needed money-Children were forced into prostitution, neighbouring towns were paying into the Church.
Yes Uben-this is all about the Church you love, and Nazareth House played the game world wide.

Nazareth house was an institution in scotland not australia.
stop lying dear.

RaggedyAnn:
This reverend father is probably telling himself one thing: that he's looking after this young girl's interest. But he'll end up achieving something else. There's nothing wrong with playing the role he's set out to play in her life. God knows, an impressionable girl needs all the guidance she can get, with all these predators around. He could advise her on how to behave and all, but to ask for such details as the intimate things you do borders on perversion (in my opinion). He's still a man after all. Is he getting off on that kind of talk?

And then there's you girlfriend. You can't deny that a man who cannot be had presents a certain kind of allure.

You should try getting close to this reverend, if the girl is that important to you. Give him the opportunity to feel you out, so that he's got no reasons to doubt your intentions towards his ward. And you can size him up as well, see if he's interested harboring unhealthy desires.

It isn't sexual perversion to ask those details.

There is something called "spiritual directors" in catholicism, I have one and he should know much about about you. There is nothing strange about those questions.

luvmijeje:
But they are not speaking up.

actually you haven't been following the story well, hundreds of theologians have come out to publicly sign petition on amoris Laetitia, there are also bishops and cardinals who have publicly supported the dubai.... But that is largely by the point.

The writing in question called amoris Laetitia doesn't teach any heresy in fact it seems you haven't even read it before coming here to condemn it.

The work actually clearly teach that to remarry is objectively sinful, it clearly says that marriage is indissoluble and in violate. The contention is about the rules used for receiving communion not about the clear teaching on marriage.



Please do yourself a favor, always make sure you read a document before condemning it.

An2elect2:
Isn't the "mother church" awesome?

you are about to send the thread to the gutter, I can also start naming those Catholics that protestants killed.


Tyndale wasn't killed by the church but by the country known as England , he was convicted of disseminating an incorrect translation of the Bible, get ur facts right.

Ishilove:
It is falsehood to call upon dead people, or 'saints' to act as intermediaries between man and God. This practice robs Christ of His supremacy and centrality in God's plan of redemption. Paul talked about this in Colossians 2 vs 18.

Worship, reverence and prayer to anyone other than God the Father, His son Jesus and the Holy Spirit is unbiblical and must be vigorously rejected.

Who says a practice must be explicitly written in the Bible for it to be regarded as a Christian practice?

luvmijeje:
Okayyyyy.

You can deceive everyone but can't deceive yourself. While you're at it, ensure to read the history of your church.

well I have extensively read the history of my church from 33AD till date, Is there any thing you would like to point out?

luvmijeje:
Bros, the only thing I'm going to say to you as a fellow Christian. Be on the alert.

Be familiar with your Bible. Be open minded. Strictly follow the teaching of Christ. Finally, always have it at back of your mind that doctrines are the rules of men and not the Law of God.

I have edited my previous post, I was mistaken in some parts.

Actually Doctrine in my church are the teaching of CHRIST through the apostles. Not laws of men.

CHRIST was born., he lived taught and died to set me free he rose again and is sitted at the right hand of the Father, these are Doctrine and they are not laws of men.


If the doctrines in your church are all laws of men then you need to get out of that church.

Vatican City, Jul 1, 2017 / 04:21 am ( CNA/EWTN
News ).- The Vatican announced Saturday that as
Cardinal Gerhard Müller’s term as prefect of the
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith comes
to an end, the Pope has not renewed it, but has
appointed Jesuit Archbishop Luis Ladaria to take
his place.



Remember the new guy in ur prayers.



Congrats to stytimi let us remember to add his intentions in prayer that God grants him a happy home

luvmijeje:
Immediately I saw the word beautitude, I just have to google it and this is what I discovered:


My goodness! The Pope is attempting to rewrite the Bible. Who the heck is he?

that isn't a fake news but it has nothing to do with rewriting the bible. the beautitude of the Bible can't be changed it is there for everlasting in fact the beatitudes were read at the mass above-mentioned. What the Pope did was propose new way Christians must continue to live their calling.
https://www.ncronline.org/news/vatican/sweden-francis-proposes-six-new-beatitudes-modern-era

The title his beatitude is a spoken style for a patriarch, just as his grace is the spoken style for am archbishop and your excellency is the style for bishops even governors and presidents.
Patriarchs
of Eastern Catholic Churches
who are also cardinals may be
addressed as " His Eminence" or
by the style particular to Eastern Catholic
patriarchs, His Beatitude.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/His_Eminence

Amberon11:
Asking dead people to pray for you is not the same as asking the living to pray for you. It is very much much biblical to ask people to pray for us. References of this are all over the bible but it is highly unbiblical to ask dead people or even angels (which we are higher than) to pray for us.

it always surprises me when modern day protestants claim to know better about what constitutes a biblical practice than both the Jets and Catholics who were around much before them.

The Jews will rightly tell you that asking the righteous dead for prayers is correct practice so also will Catholics and for 2000yrs of Christian history everyone who is worth his salt rightly identify as a Christian practice but you guys who set up shop yesterday now somehow claim it isn't.


Who told you that every Christian practice must be explicitly spelt out in the Bible before it is acknowledge as such

happyheart:
How can you leave the saviour and concentrate on his mother? I can never accept catholic teachings.I will never attend a catholic church... When invited to a catholic wedding, I wait in the reception venue. If na catholic remain, I will gladly become atheist

if you had bothered to attend a Catholic mass you will know that the stuff you wrote above is but untrue. The principal Catholic worship is the mass and if you have attended one you will know that it is a blatant lie to claim that Catholics leave the saviour and concentrate only on his mother. Actually all worship is directed to the Father and the son and the spirit or to the Father through the son in the Holy Spirit in communion with Angels and Saints. In fact even the rosary Protestant tend to complain about is heavily Christo centric when rightly said.


But of course you can't and won't know this because someone had lied to you that Catholics leave the son and only talk to his mother and you swallowed it hook, line and sinker and you can't be bothered to check if what you were told is true.

It is either you don't care about the truth or you know it but prefer to keep the lies you were told, which is it?

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ikukuhero:
Rubbish! People like you are the major problem with Christianity. Divisive mentality. Your mindset shows that you focus on denomination and not Christ. The body of Christ - the Church is meant to be one. But, that'll never be again because u have accepted hate speeches, brainwashing and doctrines of superiority of one denomination over the other. Christianity is about Christ , living like Christ and nothing else.

sorry the body of CHRIST is one. it was one before your pastors set up the shops and called them denominations, it is one even after you guys joined your so-called denominations. If you wish to return to that one body Jesus established then leave your shops of men and return to the one church established by Jesus_-the Catholic Church.


I hope you know that denominationalism is a recent occurrence where disobedient people leave the church and form their own shops. The church Jesus established is at 2000yrs old, please ask yourselves why the group you worship with is less than 100yrs old.

Syncan:
Lies are hidden in many words. I praise your patience Ubenedictus​, it's simply God's grace.

the issue is that he has been shouting Nazareth house and he is totally ignorant that the Nazareth tragedy isn't the same as the Australian stolen child policy he is claiming to be a victim of. I just hate it when people lie. The Nazareth house thing happened in Scotland, the Soviet child policy was in Australia.

brocab:
I know it's hard for you to understand Uben, you can only see me talking in all directions, only because you forget which questions you ask, it must be old age" the truth must eat you away "Uben" time and time again I had repeatedly named two institutions, Nazareth house and St Vincent De Paul's, I had explained the in's and out's of these institutions, one would think, how does someone know so much about them, if one wasn't prolonged in either of them? Both institutions belonged to the Catholic Church and both have played their part in the crimes against Children.
It seems strange how every story matches up the same as the last story, that was told about the Catholic Church, it is only Catholic's like you, Uben who are still trying to deny any truth about the crimes the Church had committed against anybody-No lie, stay's hidden for too long.
Centuries on, the Catholic Church had always been in the spotlights, this time, people around the world outside the Church are finely starting to listen.
A little while ago "Uben you had mentioned why Catholicism helped the Jew's back in WW2-back then your information didn't make any sense to me, So I searched to find out why the Catholic Church would want to help any body?
Though my search I found the Catholic's don't help just anybody, unless there is some sort of a price to pay.
I found the Catholic's would only help the Jews's on conditions, "by turning away from God's people, they made their decision to leave their religion and their loved families behind to die in the concentration camps, to stay alive, they had turned their backs on God, to become a Catholic {Hitler Murdered the Jew's, not the Catholic's}
A pricey decision to pay-just to save themselves, this of course is a repeat for the future, who will receive the "Mark of the beast" to stay alive?.
There seem's to be always a price to pay to become a Catholic, let's look into the pattern, no-one can marry inside a Catholic Church, unless they are Catholic, you can't receive the Holy Communion, unless you are Catholic, no-one can bury their love ones with the Catholic's, unless you are Catholic. Another lie is the Purgatory story, unless you are Catholic.
"Cultist" which makes a lot of sense-why certain members of the Catholic Church prey on young Children around the world, Catholicism are in order with our world leaders, they are either Muslims or Catholic, both organisations are strongly connected with each other, their main menu is Money and Crime, all connected together with Isis, the Illuminati and Freemasonry.
The problem the world has, where the hidden secrets lay, there are always somebody out there who's willing to tell the truth.
And no-one can hide from it, Not even you Uben.

I am still waiting for a direct answer to my question.

Beirut, Lebanon, Jun 22, 2017 / 12:07 pm ( CNA/
EWTN News ).- The synod of the Melkite Greek
Catholic Church elected on Wednesday
Archbishop Youssef Absi as the Church's new
patriarch, who received ecclesiastical
communion from Pope Francis the following day.
Elected June 21, Patriarch Absi, 71, succeeds
Patriarch Gregorios III Laham, who retired May 6
at the age of 83.
The new patriarch was born in Damascus in
1946. He was ordained a priest of the Missionary
Society of St. Paul in 1973. He became superior
general of the society in 1999, and two years
later was appointed curial bishop of the Melkite
Patriarchate of Antioch. In 2007, he was
appointed the Patriarchal Vicar of of the Melkite
Archdiocese of Damascus.
The Melkite Greek Catholic Church is an Eastern
Catholic Church of the Byzantine rite, and it
consists of some 1.5 million members. It is
based in Syria and Lebanon, and most of its
eparchies are in the Arab world. It also has
structures to serve the Melkite diaspora in
Australia, Turkey, Canada, Mexico, the United
States, Argentina, Brazil, and Venezuela.
The Melkite Church traces its roots to the
earliest days of Christianity, when Sts. Peter and
Paul first evangelized the peoples of Syria, where
followers of Christ were first called “Christians.”
During the 2010 Synod on the Middle East,
Patriarch Absi lamented the strife among the
Eastern Catholic Churches, calling the struggle a
“fount of impairment and false testimony,”
according to Vatican Insider .
“The Christians of the East,” he said, “are all on
the same boat, and confront the same struggle.
They cannot be disinterested each in the other.”
The new patriarch holds licentiates in philosophy
and theology, and a doctorate in musical
sciences and Byzantine hymnography from the
Holy Spirit University of Kaslik in Lebanon. He
has taught philosophy, Greek, and musicology at
the university level.
Pope Francis wrote to Patriarch Absi the day
after his election, congratulating him and
granting him ecclesiastical communion.
Francis also noted the tribulation facing
Christians in the region.
“The election of Your Beatitude comes at the
time of a delicate situation for the venerable
Greco-Melkite Church and when many Christian
communities in the Middle East are called to
bear witness in a special way to their faith in the
dead and risen Christ,” the Roman Pontiff said.
“In this particularly difficult time, Pastors are
called upon to manifest communion, unity,
closeness, solidarity and transparency before the
suffering people of God.”
“I am certain that your Beatitude, in fraternal
harmony with all the Synod Fathers, will know, in
all evangelical wisdom, how to be not only 'Pater
et Caput' in the service of the faithful of the
Greco-Melkite Church, but also a faithful and
authentic witness to the Risen One.”


http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/youssef-absi-elected-patriarch-of-melkite-greek-catholic-church-12148/

Beirut, Lebanon, Jun 22, 2017 / 12:07 pm ( CNA/ EWTN News ).- The synod of the Melkite Greek Catholic Church elected on Wednesday Archbishop Youssef Absi as the Church's new patriarch, who received ecclesiastical communion from Pope Francis the following day. Elected June 21, Patriarch Absi, 71, succeeds Patriarch Gregorios III Laham, who retired May 6 at the age of 83. The new patriarch was born in Damascus in 1946. He was ordained a priest of the Missionary Society of St. Paul in 1973. He became superior general of the society in 1999, and two years later was appointed curial bishop of the Melkite Patriarchate of Antioch. In 2007, he was appointed the Patriarchal Vicar of of the Melkite Archdiocese of Damascus. The Melkite Greek Catholic Church is an Eastern Catholic Church of the Byzantine rite, and it consists of some 1.5 million members. It is based in Syria and Lebanon, and most of its eparchies are in the Arab world. It also has structures to serve the Melkite diaspora in Australia, Turkey, Canada, Mexico, the United States, Argentina, Brazil, and Venezuela. The Melkite Church traces its roots to the earliest days of Christianity, when Sts. Peter and Paul first evangelized the peoples of Syria, where followers of Christ were first called “Christians.” During the 2010 Synod on the Middle East, Patriarch Absi lamented the strife among the Eastern Catholic Churches, calling the struggle a “fount of impairment and false testimony,” according to Vatican Insider . “The Christians of the East,” he said, “are all on the same boat, and confront the same struggle. They cannot be disinterested each in the other.” The new patriarch holds licentiates in philosophy and theology, and a doctorate in musical sciences and Byzantine hymnography from the Holy Spirit University of Kaslik in Lebanon. He has taught philosophy, Greek, and musicology at the university level. Pope Francis wrote to Patriarch Absi the day after his election, congratulating him and granting him ecclesiastical communion. Francis also noted the tribulation facing Christians in the region. “The election of Your Beatitude comes at the time of a delicate situation for the venerable Greco-Melkite Church and when many Christian communities in the Middle East are called to bear witness in a special way to their faith in the dead and risen Christ,” the Roman Pontiff said. “In this particularly difficult time, Pastors are called upon to manifest communion, unity, closeness, solidarity and transparency before the suffering people of God.” “I am certain that your Beatitude, in fraternal harmony with all the Synod Fathers, will know, in all evangelical wisdom, how to be not only 'Pater et Caput' in the service of the faithful of the Greco-Melkite Church, but also a faithful and authentic witness to the Risen One.”

italo:
I consider Pope Benedict XVI to be the 'Doctor of the Church' of our time.

and john paul 2 i alway reread those guys.

u enjoy talking in all directions, Answer d question pls.

brocab:
Well if you have read what I had written much earlier about the stolen generation, you would see, I had already mentioned other Churches involved, but the problem is, it didn't matter where we were, which institution or missions we were at, we Aboriginal Children became Catholic's not any other religion.
Still looking for an argument Uben? What you should be doing is studying up a little history, maybe then you wouldn't need to come back with so much rubbish.
[color=#000099]The Crimes against the Catholic Church have been going on for How Long? We just need to let our fingers do the walking, and look into the net, life testimonies dating back in the 1800's until now, about thousands of sexual abused-or bashed repeatedly, murdered against Children all over the world by the Catholic Church.

which center were u placed?

nkemdi89:
The truth is that in every mbaise family they have a priest or reverend father so it's not acceptable by them to bring a non mbaise because they have in surplus that is to say they want one of their own instead of an outsider.

Mbaise catholic church abi?

Syncan:
Believe me, I already heard of another diocese holding a meeting of their religious to reject in advance the bishop being rumored to be prepared for them, for same reason as Ahiara. This precedence is horrible, in the church where you're expected to trust that God is in charge. I am glad the Pope stated it clearly that this is not tribalism when he said "I think that, in this case, we are not dealing with tribalism, but with an attempted taking of the vineyard of the Lord." Now the Pope has taking a stand, let them go and do what he said first, he may be kind enough to send a different Bishop, but Ahiara will not produce an indigenous bishop in the nearest future this way.

hmm