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UnchangeableGod:
Christ's priesthood is by Himself alone, not through human proxies (Hebrews chapters 7; 8; 9 and 10).

Christ is the eternal high priest but his priesthood includes all Christian. This is why scriptures say, out of his fullness have we received grace upon grace, and scriptures says "you are a royal priesthood". So again i make bold say Christ priesthood is inclusive, for in him every Christian is a priest.

If you are ignorant of this then it is a pity.

UnchangeableGod:
Christianity is not a mere religion. It is the life of Christ in man. But that is not really the issue at hand. Is it?

it is a religion for it includes belief in a supreme being,.... You can say it goes further and transcends all other religions but it is untrue and incorrect to claim Christianity isn't a religion.

That is a false dichotomy.

Sacluxpaint:
James what?

Confess to one another?

But priest wasn't mentioned.

I have no problems with the Catholic Church, but the only thing I love about it is the Holy Communion, the body and blood of Christ.

James 5 actually says:


Therefore confess your sins to each other and
pray for each other so that you may be
healed. The prayer of a righteous person is
powerful and effective.



The word "therefore" tells us that the following precept is simply a continuation and conclusion of the previous discourse.


What was the preceding discourse that verse 16 concludes,? Here it is.

Is any man sick among you? Let him bring in
the presbyter of the church, and let them pray
over him, anointing him with oil in the name of
the Lord.


So Yeah the Church leader i. E the priest is What is been referred to if you read in context.

9inches:
Angels are also part of that communion; and you don't have to limit it to prayers alone:

Communion - kəˈmyo͞onyən/ (noun)
1. the sharing or exchanging of intimate thoughts and feelings, especially when the exchange is on a mental or spiritual level.

@bolded, it's not necessarily about information contained outside the bible but more of the true interpretation of what is already in the bible. The question you have to ask yourself is this: "Where did we get the Bible?" Until you can give a satisfactory answer, you aren't in much of a position to rely on the authority of Scripture or to claim that you can be certain that you know how to accurately interpret it.

amen

UnchangeableGod:
If your definition of 'Communion of Saints' means praying through departed saints then you see wrong sir. Matthew 18:10 that you quoted talks about angels, it has nothing to do with departed saints. I see where you are coming from. You base your opinions on extra biblical books, probably the Appocripha. I don't claim authority over the Bible as far it's interpretations go. That is why I said earlier that I stand to be corrected, of course, with Biblical references. The Bible (the Scriptures that cannot be broken) is enough for me. God will not hold me responsible for any information He allowed to be contained elsewhere other than the 66 books of the Bible. I am also aware of the grave implications of Revelation 22:18,19. Thanks.

1. If the angels in heaven can rejoice at the repentance of a sinner, why do you think the saints there will be ignorant.
2. Actually when the Church fathers compiled the bible it had 73 books not 66 books. It was a man called Martin Luther in 1600 who removed some books from the bible and that is why your bible has less books.

Read up council of hippo and carthage, you were shortchanged and given an incomplete bible.

UnchangeableGod:
Are you sure the Old Testament priesthood has ended? Of course, the Old Testament priesthood was hereditary but the form and practice has not changed in some Assemblies. That is just the fact.

it ended it was hereditary and based on aaron and offered animal sacrifices, it was replaced by the priesthood of Jesus in the order of melchizedek, and all Christians partake in it.





I don't know anyone who still offers animal sacrifices, if you do.... Say so.

UnchangeableGod:
Obviously, my message is for some other people, not you. Thanks.

ofcourse if you are saying, 1+1=6 Then that isn't for me.


If you had claimed Christianity is much more than the other world religions i will agree but for you to claim Christianity isn't A religion.... That is flat out incorrect, that certainly isn't for me.

UnchangeableGod:
Celibacy should be a personal thing. Did God say that once you have chosen celibacy, you must remain so even when your body says otherwise? Not at all. God gave us freedom in serving him, not bondage. So what do you recommend as a way out for a priest who is having problems with the flesh in the light of 1st Corinthians 7:9? Would it be preferable to continue in celibacy as a minister of God while 'burning' or to get married?

actually it seems you didn't read what i wrote.


Whoever makes vows of celibacy and wishes to marry may apply to be dispensed of his vows for the sake of marriage.
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The church would lose you of your vows and wed you if you require it. The church doesn't want a lustful priest but she will ask you to again to make sure you understand what you are asking for and to make sure it isn't A passing crisis.

The point i raised is that vows of celibacy knowingly and willingly made isn't against the law of God. And that vows in general aren't to be treated lightly.

UnchangeableGod:
You are wrong sir. He made the vow to the Catholic Church in ignorance of the word and will of God, definitely not to God (because it is against His word). He can still serve God, minister in the Church and to the world as a married man. Your Church may be against it but God is not. Thanks.

he was not ignorant when he he made those vows. He knew that celibacy isn't against the word of God. Actually the word of God says it is good for a man to be celibate to serve God. He knew this and chose it. He decided to make that commitment. My Church has married ministers, celibacy is a choice knowingly and willingly made. It isn't against the word of God.

UnchangeableGod:
You should have asked for clarifications as to the differences between the two. Academically, Christianity is one of the world's religions founded by Christ. But Christianity in practice is the life of Christ lived out by the saved who has the Saviour residing within by His grace. A Christian is not one who merely identifies with the Christian religion but one who has encountered Christ and whose life has been transformed as a result from a sinner to a saint (Acts 11:26; 26:28). Religion on the other hand, is a set of ceremonies, rituals and practices carried out by people who are adherents of a particular religion or sect. It does not have to lead to a transformation of life. It deals more with what people see outside than what is in the inside. Thanks.

Christianity is still a religion.

Thanks

OLAADEGBU:
Only shepherds feed sheep not wolves.

your later day heretic churches must be the wolves in this case.

OLAADEGBU:
Secular dictionaries cannot explain what religion in this context means. Adam was the first person to practice religion, can you guess how?

adam believed in and worship the supreme being that is how he practiced religion. The dictionary is on point.

Wilgrea7:
the early apostles had some differing views.. not all accepted Paul's doctrine.. there were different denominations of Judaism plus other religions... people who converted had a little bit of that knowledge transferred... but there was somewhat friction betweeen the apostles and paul.. as well as some other unnamed people

2. Which misconception did pastor Aio clear, I cant find it.

his comment is on this thread.. somewhere close to my first comment

3. The bible says the apostles are the foundation on which the Church is built and Jesus is the chief conner stone. If you disagree go and argue with eph 2:20, not with me. Sorry.

the “bible" does not say.. the writers are the ones that say.. the writers may be lying or telling the truth.. but then.. that is an argument for another day

1. The friction between Paul and others was cleared up in Acts 15.

2. I read the comments by Aio and it has little to do with the issues i raised.


3. You can tell a Protestant that "the bible does not say..." i am a Catholic, Church father compiled the scriptures and councils set down the books as a unified whole in teaching the oracles of God. So that each book is inspired and not just the opinion of its writer.. As such i boldly declare the bible say....

UnchangeableGod:
Please this vow he broke does it condemn him in the sight of God or man? You judged him as being disobedient, so you have become his judge. Please, I want to ask: What is a sin in a minister of God getting married and having sex with his own wife? This is what some people have been insinuating. If the man left the Catholic Church so that he can marry, IT IS ABSOLUTELY BIBLICAL. He needs experience as a married man to serve God and minister to others. Please read 1st Timothy 3:1-5. Verse 5 specifically rhetorically asks "if a man knows not how to rule his own house, how can he take care of the Church of God?"

when you make a vow to God you should keep it. Even the bible says" my vows to the LORD i will fulfill.

701ecilana:
You well know what am talking about. Every Catholic who is close to tje preists knows but will rather hide.
Am done with you.

I happen to be close to priests and these things you are talking about is just off.

701ecilana:
But they engage in worst secret affairs. The priests asexually molest kids. Boys and girls.

A friend of mine went into nunnery, before she was ordained, she ran out. She said if ten virgins are taken into that fold, not even one will be ordained a virgin. The priests take pride is counting the virgins they break. They blatantly send for little girls to be brought to them at nights. Mother superiors prepares and cleans these kids up for priests to defile. They carry solenm looks outwarsly but demins invested within.

They get these kids pregnant, the same priests abort the babies or keep the kids and put them in Catholic orphanages. They scream against abortions in public, but they are super abortionists in the closest.

really hearsay?

Just tell us the name of the convent... Better still write to the bishop.

UnchangeableGod:
What if he decides to marry against the Cannon Law, can he be arrested and prosecuted? Would it have been better he engaged in secret affairs?

he can decide to marry but it won't be valid since he is still under vows he made to God by which he promised to abstain from marriage to serve God and his Church.

UnchangeableGod:
Some people don't seem to get it. There is a world of difference between Christianity and religion. I don't know his mind. What if he is tired of religion and decides to embrace true Christianity?

Christianity is a religion, Stop the false dichotomy.

UnchangeableGod:
That's not the issue sir. What if this man is now convinced that he has been in error all these while?

that isn't What he said .

UnchangeableGod:
OK if you are rocket sure that your unofficial gossip-based information about him refusing transfer is correct and not based on animosity to blackmail, then let us accept he disobeyed his superiors. But you should understand that not all disobedience to man equals disobedience to God. What if God did not sanction his brand of priesthood which has been done away with in the New Covenant established on better promises? (Hebrews 7:1-28; 8:1-13; 9:1-28) What if he entered this outdated Old Testament brand of priesthood in ignorance and later realized it? What if he had an encounter that drastically changed his perception about ministry? What if he has finally been convicted about the truth having read the Bible over and over? What if and what if?.........There may just be something you and I don't know about his exit. Let God be his judge. Thanks.

What funny issues are you now talking about.?


The old testament priesthood was hereditary and has long ended so why are you bringing that up?

UnchangeableGod:
I am a Christian by the grace of God and I don't belong to any cult. A cult in the context of my question is a clandestine group that do heinous evil, perform sacrifices with human body, blood or destiny in order to be rich, powerful or influencial. Such a group have skeletons in their cupboard - embarrassing secrets that must NEVER be let out of the bag. Their rules are so sacred and membership is for life. As such, if any member violates their rules or decides to leave, such a one will be targeted and killed or rendered useless so that no outsider will know their secrets. In the light of this explanation, is the Catholic priesthood a cult?

Sorry you seem ignorant of the fact that there is more than one meaning for a word.






Definition of a cult according to the dictionary
a system of religious beliefs and ritual;




By this definition Christianity is a cult whether you like the term or not.

An2elect2:
Look at you!

There is no running away from the truth. They are trying to explain A isn't A but B.

What do you thing A is? They have given an interpretation for the passage, all you need to do is offer a rebuttal.

Jerrypolo:
I don't just want to start.
Lemme just be quiet an assumed you never quoted me.

feel free to start.

chinoify:
This reply shouldn't be coming from a 21st century priest.... These are the type of priest that made him left in the first place. Why do you envy anointing

is anointing to be exercise with in the Church for the growth of the body? Or is it an excuse to break away and found your own Church .

Sacluxpaint:
I love this reply, apart from that just like in a a football field, not everybody can be an attacker, striker, or defender, we all have different roles to play in the body of Christ.

You have to be a defenders, attacker etc in the team. You have to manifest your gift in the Church Jesus established not by making your own.

HeavenShield:
The Catholic Church needs to purge itself. They are so spiritual filthy(with due respect).. worst crimes goes on inside there, in their chambers. I was with them once. You cannot be a clean Christian and stay in Catholic. It is a traditional church..and not a true and living church. So for you to worship God well.. THEN YOU MUST PULL OUT..NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT..YOU CAN'T FIGHT THE SYSTEM LESS YOU WILL BE MURDERED..(history and experience have shown us live)

really conspiracy theories? I expected something better.

Jerrypolo:
You are also "Pompous" in your belief of Catholic dogmatical supremacy over others in the body of Christ.

it is not pompous if it is true. A Church established by Jesus 2000yrs ago will claim superiority over every man made enterprise that came 100yrs ago.

An2elect2:

But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother

this is called trolling. It isn't good that passage has already been answered if you don't wish to discuss with them just say so.

The church is empowered to make such laws as matt 16 & 18 say "whatever you bind on earth is bound in heaven whatever you lose on earth is loosed in heaven" [/b]
This is not true and totally taken out of context.
What is Matt 16 & 18? What does it say?

Matt 16:18-19
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

This is what Christ is saying here. Peter, you have been given a revelation of who Christ truly is. This revelation empowers you to be as firm as a rock in your believe and work with me. With this kind of revelation a Church is built and no matter what happens you'd remain unshakable.

Base on this revelation you have, i will give to you the keys of the Kingdom of the kingdom of heaven, i will empower you with authority against the forces that will encroach on you trying to sniff out and destroy your faith in me.

The power to bind and loose here is against the gates of hell not against fellow believers in Christ. Its against Whatsoever constitutes the gate of hell which threatens the faith of a believer in Christ Jesus.

the disciples were encouraged that, as they moved forward in their apostolic duties, they would be fulfilling God’s plan in heaven. When the apostles “bound” something, or forbade it on earth, they were carrying out the will of God in the matter. When they “loosed” something, or allowed it on earth, they were likewise fulfilling God’s eternal plan.

What the above implies is that, Satan will orchestrate scheme and devices against the church, but they have the right to say no or allow it happen.
Whatever they allow will stand, whatever they forbade heaven will back them up and stop it.

Pls let's teach truths and loose people from satanic bondages.

No man is held down against his wish to serve Christ. It's a personal resolve. If you want out, then out you go.
Any man or men who compel others to remain under them using the name of Christ, is against Christ.

Jeaus says 'Whosoever is hungery, whosoever is thirsty let him come'. It's a completely free willed choice we choose to make. It's an invitation to the ones interested and if you come but chooses to turn back, you are free.

Scriptures never empowered anyone or any organization to do what Christ did not do.

here again your bolded only proves my point that the Church has power to allow or sir allow.

701ecilana:
Uben pls Stop summersaulting Scriptures nah. You are taking Scriptures right out of context hoping they would mean what you want them to mean. Chai bros.

There is no provision for resignation in the bible, infact the Church only allows it because she knows we are weak and doesn't wish to tie someone to an unpleasant situation, as such Church laws apply.×
Now, who says there's no room for resignation which can also be termed as backsliding? If there's no such room, the word backsliding wouldn't find it's way into the Scriptures.

Here are some folks resigning from discipleship;

From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

John:6: 66-67

Do you just write simply to contradict me or is it that you misunderstood my post.

I repeat there is no provision for resignation in scriptures in fact john 6 which you reference is talking about backsliding not resignation.


Resignation involves removing yourself from the duties and obligation of a particular office. If i was an usher in my church and i was commission for another leadership role, I will resign from the office of usher and begin my new role, it doesn't mean i have backslided. I only resigned. As far as i can tell fr edet simply resigned from the duties and obligations of a Catholic priest, he did not backslide in fact he still exercise ministry through his fellowship.


So i repeat there is no provision in scriptures for resignation and backsliding isn't the same as resignation.



Be careful before you accuse someone of twisting scriptures.

SalC:
Am baffled.
The last time I was in a programme anchored by this priest, he talked about how difficult it was for him to become a priest and how much he cherished his priesthood. So whatever made him throw away the much labour that got him to priesthood and his love for his priesthood is unimaginable.

I don't know him personally but i have a vague idea of his problem it is found every timw priest and bishop aren't on the same wavelength, the priest will continue to fill caged and the bishop has very terrible powers over his priests and will use his plenitude of powers to ensure obedience unknowingly caging the priest further . The priest either bends or breaks, if he bends he loses a part of himself in the process, he will either become a better pastor for it.... Or the bending may be too much and he loses himself in the process and enters crisis. Or he may break and say "no more" .


I don't think he is a bad person and his bishop may be totally in the right for curtailing him, actually this situation may be nobody's fault. This is why we must pray for our priest. The successful exercise of the priestly office is grace.




Have you prayed for your priests today?

UnchangeableGod:
Was he a member of a cult?

Definition of a cult according to the dictionary


a system of religious beliefs and ritual;


Yeah he is a member of a cult called Christianity.