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Playa0ne:
The Bishop uses the funds of the church as he likes, he gives every church a target for never ending projects even projects as frivolous as his birthday. Go find out if the account of any catholic dioceses has ever been audited or if the church goers know how much there dioceses is truly worth.

Is the diocese run like a business that it is been audited and breakdown given to parish?
if u are a part of ur diocese finance team, u will know where what goes into.

Playa0ne:
So the only form of corruption that can occur in the church is non payment of salary to clergymen?

Moral corruption is found among all son of adam, but to posit that the corruption in d catholic church is worst is untrue and without substance. there is corruption even in d church but generally i have found d catholic church to be self correcting and corruption less.

WHY do u contradict urself repasting rubbish?

simon magnus was a heretic, he tried to buy divine thing with money, he was guilty of simony and is identified as a heretic in the catholic church.


How wish u were even well informed in the basics of christain history u would have known that gnosticism is considered a heresy in catholicism and anyone who teaches it, or even obstinately believes it is under pain of excommunication.

THE FUNY THING IS THAT JUSTIN MATYR WHO U CALLED A FOLLOWER OF MAGNUS WROTE EXTENSIVELY AGAINST GNOSTICISM.

Playa0ne:
PUMA! it seems you are the cardinal of Lagos, Go to genesis of this conversation may be you would find some light. Dont jump in blindly.

I read d whole thing before commenting, this cant happen in a catholic church. a bishop cannot blindly steal from d diocese to this extent.

pembisco:
All these rubbish can only happen in other churches but definitely not Catholic church.

That is because of d structure in place. In the catholic church, the parishes generally pay priests not d bishop. Each parish is usually a federating unit under d diocese, bishops are under arch-bishop and national conferences...

curvilicious:
Endtime Bishop
With Oshiomhole's behaviour(owing salaries)
With Buhari character (traveling round d world)

Edo isnt owing salaries. dont be misinformed.

Playa0ne:
Blablabla... do you know the dept of the rot in the catholic church? The catholic church also stinks from head to bottom. The only reason yoou see everything going fine is because the whole charade is regulated to some degree by white men. The blackmen cant run shit, organization=0 for blackmen!
The catholic church is the father and mother of all corruption and the reason they appear cool and in order is because, like all white thieving enterprises, they stay below the radar, and empires run by black people even though they are stealing peanuts compared to their white counterparts always make a mess of it and appear like very crooked thieves.

tell us these horrors u seem to claim.

Mbediogu:
All the accusations made by Martin Luther which led to the reformation still exist in both the Catholic and Anglican churches excerpt that in the Catholic they have multiplied by TEN.

Can u substantiate ur claims?

give me 10 catholic diocese where d priests aren't paid, the truth is that the protestant churches do not have d organisation of d catholic church. there is always a higher authority and organisational brilliance that checks excesses.

Playa0ne:
Kid I am an Ex-seminarian, and my father is a Knight in the church, in fact an ex worthy president of a big Lux command for that matter. So shut up if you aint got nothing to say, you can never, (NEVER) no more about the church than I do. I stayed in the bishops court for years....we know everything going on in the church.

na only u go seminary abi?
oya tell us what we dont know

OLAADEGBU:
The second Person of the Trinity, Jesus, did have a beginning to His earthly ministry when he was conceived in Mary's womb and was born, but from eternity past He had always been the Son of God.

CC. syncan
1. you belive that God the son has no begining and no end
2. you believe that the second person of trinity, became man and was concieved and born of mary.


Why then do you disagree that mary conceived and gave birth to the second person of d trinity when he became man?

why do u disagree that mary is the mother of d second person of d trinity since 2000yrs ago when she gave birth to him?

OLAADEGBU:
Jesus had two natures, but only one personality. It was only Jesus who had a beginning to His early ministry when He was conceived in Mary's womb and was born, but from eternity past Jesus had always been the Son of God. Jesus sometimes operated with the limitations of humanity (John 4:6, 19:28) and other times in the power of His deity (John 11:43; Matthew 14:18-21). In both, Jesus' actions were from His one Person.

SO who did mary give birth among this two options,
1. the person called Jesus who is both God and man,
2. the nature of a man in Jesus?

OLAADEGBU:
Jesus had two natures, but only one personality. It was only Jesus who had a beginning to His early ministry when He was conceived in Mary's womb and was born, but from eternity past Jesus had always been the Son of God. Jesus sometimes operated with the limitations of humanity (John 4:6, 19:28) and other times in the power of His deity (John 11:43; Matthew 14:18-21). In both, Jesus' actions were from His one Person.

YOU STILL HAVENT ANSWERED BY QUESTION.

do u even believe mary gave birth to
the son of God?

OLAADEGBU:
Saying Mary is the mother of God is what leads to mariolatry.

do u even believe mary gave birth to
the son of God?

BUT mariolatry isnt d topic, keep it to yourself.

sandrahnaub:
Glory to jesus

Honor to mary

DoctorAlien:
1. Can you show a single place in the Bible where Jesus refers to Mary as His mother?

2. Define GOD, stating all His qualities and Characteristics, and tell me how Mary could have given birth to GOD.

The post u quoted has 2 questions, it is only fair u answer them before u ask me to answer urs.

OLAADEGBU:
That is what the OP is about. Don't divert the topic.

U are the one diverting, we are discusing D motherhood of mary and u are bringing up ur alledge mariolatry.

OLAADEGBU:
Jesus had two natures and Mary gave birth to one. Can you guess which one it is?

One give birth to a person! you cant say a woman gave birth a nature, you say she gave birth to a person.

is the anytime when Jesus was only man and not God?

I ASKED U A QUESTION WHICH U SKIPPED.
do u even believe mary gave birth to
the son of God?

Kalatium:
The passage does not support your position

Unless u have a problem with english, that passage clearly put a xtian above new moons and sabbath observance, those arent new testament laws and a xtian cant be judged by them.

OLAADEGBU:
God neither has a beginning neither nor has He got an end. God (Yahweh) was never "born" and never had a "mother." It was only Jesus who had a beginning to His early ministry when He was conceived in Mary's womb and was born, but from eternity past Jesus had always been the Son of God, the second Person of the Trinity.

SO u have two different Jesus and mary gave birth to only one abi?

do u even believe mary gave birth to the son of God?

OLAADEGBU:
The wise men worshipped God not Mary. It is biblical to say that Mary was the mother of the Lord Jesus Christ during His incarnation on the earth. Don't commit idolatry by venerating Mary.

Non seqitur,

Ecosystem4u:
Nd militants deserve to be paid, get that into ur thick skull mr man. Am even advocating an upward review n a separate ministery for ND militants.

Y Not just pay every niger deltan?

Ten12:
If chukwuma nzeokwu did not kill de den sardauna of sokoto I wud ve agreed with you dat u ve monomoply of killing leaders...bro we are 1

matured response

Wiseandtrue:
The church should be more concerned with sustaining won souls not maintaining buildings

Did u read the post?

emmabest2000:
Incomes ?
Church biz abi ?
Like seriously

dem get expenditure ofcuz dem go get income.

2dugged:
help me ask them,only few churches still care about rural evangelism and reaching the roots with the gospel of Christ, smh

that is a catholic bishop, u will find them in every village, bush and desert, even in waring nations u will still find catholic missionaries, so far humans live there.

Jokerman:
What projects??

Are you using the funds to help people or to evangelize the gospel??

read what he wrote, u nid funds to do both

OLAADEGBU:
And that Mary is the wife of the Father thus making her 'Queen of heaven', no?

This is ur own story not mine. u are OYO.

OLAADEGBU:
Even in His childhood?

The wise me worshipped him in childhood didnt they?

OLAADEGBU:
Selective reading indeed. Did you miss the preceding sentence where it said the following?:

"He was not fearful of losing His deity when He exchanged the outward form of God for the outward form of man; that is, He did not have to cling to His deity as a robber would his plunder."

Your scholars say, he exchange the OUTWARD ''form" of God for d outward form of man but it clearly maintains that Jesus never ceased to be God he only changed his outward form, he was always God by nature.

solite3:
Mary is the mother of the lord Jesus Christ but not the mother of God.

Do u believe she gave birth to the Son of God.

solite3:
you should have addressed my posts. I told you Jesus the man is different from God do you agree?

you are creating a false dichotomy. there is only 1 Jesus who is both God and man, not one Jesus as God and another as man.

we dont have 2 Jesuses, we only have one and he came as both God and man.

When Jesus died did God die?

what do u understand by death? do u think it is a cessation of existence? no, death is just d separation of body and soul! that is all dat happens at death. Jesus has both body, soul and divinity, at death his body was seperated from his soul and divinity. God expirenced death as we all do, his soul+divinity left his body

When Jesus slept did God sleep?

we a human sleep only his concious mind loses function, his subconcious and spirit are still working, d same for Jesus, his human conscious mind slept his spirit, subconscious and divinity would still be active!

Muafrika2:
I never thought of it this way. I agree.

Thank God and thank u, few time i meet people who actually read what is written b4 trying to refute.