₦airaland Forum

annunaki2:
Your deranged eagerness to always baselessly drag Christianity into issues of islamic extremism is really nauseating. You really need to receive sense.

No need to be defensive, anywhere 50 humans are gathered there is a capacity for violence, it can be good or horrible, sometimes it is mixed. Does islam advocate it?

johnydon22:
there is a certain magnitude of aggressiveness that only abrahamism possess and this makes it a global issue in terms that it covers more ground than any other - like i said above there is no religion that can match up to Abrahamic religions in terms of aggressiveness and violence world wide even in antiquity - arguable?



there are varying doctrines of islam just as you can affirm to the varying doctrines found in christian and all these doctrines can be substantiated by intrinsic parts of the scriptures both bible and quran - so yes there may be very violent charges in many islamic doctrines that derive basis from the quran.

it is true that there is are types of violence only adherents of abrahamism can wrought, they are the ones with big population, their violence will be equally big.

and yes there are differing islamic school with differing posturing but they usually form a rough consensus taken together hence my question may b answered generally.

dalaman:
Islam is inherently aggressive, supports and promotes the us verse them mentality which ultimately leads to violence.

Can u support this submission with the koran, hadith and d judgements of the muslim schools of jurispondence.

johnydon22:
there is something inherently aggressive in Abrahamism and that is the raging lust and need for world domination. take a look at the world you hardly hear other religions encroaching into other people's space to preach their beliefs. that is an exclusive characteristic of Christianity and Islam and this is because they both equally share that lust to dominate.
they both feel it is their divine right and command to take their religion and belief to all over the earth which has always made them aggressive towards other beliefs and religion.
no other religion can boast of the equal amount of violence and blood as Christianity and Islam, they both have no equal in this regard...

actually i have also heard of hindu violence amongst others, it seems it isn't restricted to abrahamism.

But as i said in the op, the thread has little to do with looking at manifestations of violence, it is to investigate if that violence is taught and a part of dat religion (islam).

I usually aviod islam bashing threads and I'll encourage all who post here to avoid islam and muslim bashing on the thread.

That no witstanding, is islam inherently peaceful or violent? I am not talking about the behaviour of muslims or those terrorist who hide under their religion. I am not talking about the extremists or historical antecedent. . . we all know humans fail.

I am talking about islam itself, not just how some people practice it, i am talking about it teachings, the rough and general concesus of the muslim schools, does Islam advocate peace with all men at all time even when and where religions differ?

N.B This topic should not be moved from the general religion section into the islam for muslim section, it is a topic that discusses islam while advocating varied non insultive input. It won't be fair to close it from discussion, it is a topic worth discussing by the general public.

EDITED: finally some mod has moved the thread. I still cant understand why.

SalomonKane:
If this news is true and anything to go by, then I'll ask what is freedom of expression for? That one can't speak his mind without fear of being molested and carted away by the DSS like a cow transported to Lagos to be sold for consumption?

I'm sure PMB isn't aware nigerians (those who voted) for him are getting dissatisfied with his incessant abuse of people's right to express themselves.

I believe 2019 isn't far, if nigerians can correct the mistake they made in 2011, I see no reason why they can't correct the mistake they made in 2015.

actually freedom of speech is not absolute, when u instruct that people from a particular tribe be killed, that automatically goes beyond freedom of expression into inciting violence.

btoks:
Wow!!

But which church is the true church ?

see simple question, Oya answer na.

Splinz:
It is either you're suffering from chronic brain deficiency or you're simply dumb.

Again, move aside.

Just as you have failed to provide historical sources that backs ur insinuation.

that must really sting.

Yujin:
Lol. The topic has shifted from the case of a fraudulent character and his crime to a battle between NwamaziNwaAro and the entire AuchiPoly students on nairaland. One after the other, they kept proving him right on his obviously over generalisation. The body saddled with the overseeing of polytechnics in Nigeria might have to visit the institution. LWKMD

hey, look at the highlighted part, I don't believe you are better than the Auch poly. students you have been dissing.

Splinz:
Go and sit down my friend if you can't make use of even common google. Since the beginning of this thread, you've not been able to refute anything, only running from pillar to post.

It has been proven convincingly that apostle Peter was never your pope, using both history and pure Scriptures. I provided you with "Ten Proofs That Peter Was Not The Pope At Rome", but you cunningly avoided it.

My dear, go and rest if you can't deal with these truths.

HAHAHA. How funny, you wrote pages on nl and not even a single historical source supports your claim.

U should be ashamed.

Splinz:
My prayer for you is to stop worshiping idols, really.

Seek for the truth and you'll be set free. Free from that den of demons called R. C.

I expected this, when u found that u had no valid source u resorted to this.

KaptainAfrika:
Not all defensive wars are just, really? that's like saying there are times, when defending yourself against attack, is unjust. I approached the "just war theory" from the angle of defending one's self, from unprovoked attack the examples, i have in mind, in recent history are: the Arab-Israeli conflict of 1948, 1967 and 1973; US response to Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbour in 1941; UK and France declaring war on Germany for invading Poland in 1939.
I am not restricting myself to the traditional definitions of the "just war theory".

There are actually times when defending urself can be immoral in war, that is where d idea of a just war comes in.

A defensive war is just only when:
1. All avenues for peace has been exhaust.
2. The force of response is moderate and doesnt exceed the evils to be exterminated
3. The proposed war must have a chance for success.

if u must evoke d just ware theory then use it well.

self defence shouldnt be arbitrary.

Splinz:


Worshipers of Simon Magus the sorcerer. Find one of your idols and bow down to, after all, that's all you lot know how to do.

conspiracy theorist, the guy who writes an article where he contradicts his sources. now go on and tell ur lies. that is ur only job. i do hope God helps u out of that sect and deliver u from their lies.

MrPresident1:


My Dear, discretion as wise people say, is the better part of valour.

Truly, our God, works, in mysterious ways

how i wish u said this before.

Ishilove:
MrPresident1 yaff gone AWOL

He is back

Ioannes:
Before you're misled by this false information, I want y'all to read what I got within two seconds about the original author of the post posted by op.

https://www.gotquestions.org/restored-church-of-god.html

Be wary of false prophets and antichrists.

Op. Give your life to Christ and stop misleading people with false information.

SO he is follower of that sect, no wonder he has everything backwards

Splinz:
Now I know you're lacking in comprehension skills.

That you've not been able to verify these claims using the numerous sources provided speaks volumes of your intellect.

Like I said before, move aside my friend. You have no defense.[/QUOTE] All the historians u quoted do not support ur theory. that show how laughable they are.

[QUOTE]PS: The rules still allowed married priests, no longer for celibates? So your church now or has always welcomes both married and celibates? Lol... You're such a comedian.

Maybe I should also teach you about that too.

U see ur problem abi?, he who does not know and does not know and does not want to know.

Splinz:
Ironically, that's what you need, not me. Verifiable sources are scattered everywhere. You go and do your own studies well, not the lies you've been receiving all along.

there are no verifiable historical sources for the nonesense you posted above. abeg shift, even the people u referenced totally contradicted u.

Mrpresident i told you to excercise caution in ur preditions.

KaptainAfrika:
Did you read what I wrote?

"JUST WAR" is defensive in nature.

It is not offensive in nature, that is, you don't attack first, but in response to an attack, you defend yourself. The purpose of this defensive action, is to stop an attack, with the result that the attack is stopped.

I asked u if u know d principles of a just war. let me enumerate them.
"1. the damage inflicted by the
aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;
2. all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;
3. there must be serious prospects
of success;
4. the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The
power of modern means of destruction weighs very heavily in
evaluating this condition".

be careful when u appeal to the just war theory. not all defensive wars are just.

Factualase:
Do you look like? Bro don't be naive if these hausa-fulani start their evil, they wouldn't want to know whether you are Christian or traditionalist in as much you don't belong to them they see as an enemy. Look at what happen in akwa ibom some few days back.

So the solution to senseless violence is senseless murder. you dont care if he is guilty so far he looks like them.

may GOd not allow someone kill u because he thinks u look like them.

menxer:
Is kukah speaking for himself alone or were there no pastors et al that used their pulpit to campaign, both for and against GEJ/PMB?

My question is simply did kukah campaign from the pulpit.

KingEbukasBlog:
I think it was an exaggeration possibly because he was overwhelmed with emotions ;its very painful . But the righteous and acceptable thing to do is to defend yourself using any means not reprisal attacks . Defend yourself . Do you agree ?

I have no problem with self defence but If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful. . . ., asking that anyone who LOOKS LIKE an enemy be killed and the case kept from law enforcement in insane and inciting and should never come from a cleric. that isnt just self defense it is murder and coverup.

Omudia11:
I never said so.. However, Protestants never supported those acts and even brought their pastors to book as opposed to the RCC that legalized those barbaric acts.

Actually the RCC did same, it investigated the accusation and brought the guilty to book.

i already did

analice107:
You post the passages here nah. pls post them lets see if they correlate.

"Paul testifies that Crescens was
sent to Gaul [2 Tim. 4:10], but
Linus, whom he mentions in the Second Epistle to Timothy [2 Tim.
4:21] as his companion at Rome,
was Peter’s
successor in the episcopate of the
church there, as has already been
shown. Clement also, who was appointed third bishop of the
church at Rome, was, as Paul
testifies, his co-laborer and fellow-
soldier [Phil. 4:3]" (Church History
3:4:9–10

analice107:
But, because it was rebutted doesn't mean its a lie nah. facts can't lie.

that it fall under scrutiny shows that it is a lie.

thinkmoney:
A case of having the zeal for God but lacking accurate knowledge.

A case of hasty conclusion

analice107:
Oh My God. No, no, no, no. I can not believe what my eyes are seeing. Gracious Lord!!!!!. I mean, i knew the Jesuit Order to be bad, but this is too much.
These people are purely Satanic.

i dont really blame you, you will believe anything against the catholic church. Just for ur information, when a jesuit take vows it is always in d open, never a secret afair, infact a whole church is invited + d bishop of the area. It happens in the full veiw of everybody.
The jesuits arent even secretive, they run churches, charities and school.

Have u ever even seen a jesuit before?

DoctorAlien:
You can call me a Conspiracy Theorist...

But guess who started the French Revolution?

Yea. You guessed right. Jesuits of the Catholic church. This is not mainstream news, as the Jesuits themselves control major governments and media outlets.

HAHAHAHA, THAT WAS FUNNY

MostHigh:
Well said Sire

Anæl penetration is the 13 degree rite (the highest Ritual/Rite)for OTO (Order Templar Orientalis).

The most powerful earthly orders indulge in this Rite exclusively as Thier highest initiatory Ritual/Rite

Alberto Rivera told us all what the Jesuits are about.

But it's his word against Thiers.

Who would you believe?

make una dey talk small truth. All this conspiracy theories no dey pay. Na weytin concern Jesuits and templars?

owodokiri:
This is a democracy, mate.. An inebriated governor has got no right whatsoever to "ban" a rally.. The state doesn't not belong to the leaders, it belongs to all.. As long as the rally is peaceful, we are ready to go ., and wait for this; the rallies and marches and confrontations are just beginning! It wont stop until you remove your fulani garrisons all over the east! Marriage is not by force!

Actually a state has constitutional rights to ban a rally.

menxer:
Hhhhhhmmmm
@bolded, started in this PMB era, abi?

Religion should be separated from politics? But you guys used your pulpits to campaign for GEJ, why complain now?

What "claims" is he referring to?

It did not start under buhari but it is gradually getting worse.

are u sure kukah ever campaign for jonah from d pulpit? no lie by mistake oh.