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5solas are u still there?

Geist:
please am very open

u almost got me, rev 11:19, 12:1.

note: it is only implied not explicit.

LaClicKLaBenDin:
Lol...
Dearie, I don't wanna do this. Or maybe you can help the op answer the questions I asked.

Please, always make a distinction between the 'Catholic' and the 'Roman Catholic'. They're quite different.

Roman catholic is just a subset of Catholic, and both name may sometimes b used interchangebly, abi u get another distintion

Syncan:
Revelation 22:16

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Is Jesus a He or She?

I b wan ignore am, i think he is not serious, he is joking.

i also want to hear d history of the cult

Kalatium:
But did you know that observance of Sabbath predates the law?

Show us d people observing it.

analice107:
Where are the Catholics?

To do what? indulge an illogical submission?

analice107:
Hahahahahahahaha. This one doesn't care if the Pope is Antichrist or not. Wow.
Listen, we are all God's creatures, but not all of us are God's children. "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God".
Be ready for the Mark of the beast for the Pope, according to Prophecy shall be the False Prophet to the Antichrist. Go and research the meaning of Pontifex Maximus. The Office of the Pope is the office of the False Prophet to the Antichrist. Well done.

God is also d father from whom all fatherhood takes its name, i.e he is father of all that has been fathered. read ur bible dear

analice107:
For centuries, the Catholic Church has been codedly propagating and fronting the agenda of the Antichrist. Bit by bit, they are coming out in the open. After this Pope, if Jesus tarries, the next Pope won't hide the fact that he is not a christian. Very soon, the Catholic Pope will openly declare for Atheism the religion of Lucifer.
Anyone still in the Catholic Church is either ignorant or blind, deaf and retard.

funny what someone can say from a standpoint of ignorance

vooks:
Don't be silly. Why not follow Jesus and receive worship as well?

I already have my form of worship i receive. it is called honor.

truthislight:
Mr Hill Snowing under hot temperature.. Why would you not call it rant? why would you not say anything to suit your deceptive disposition?

Yes, if someone ask you to sleep in a cold room you will sleep, not just you, but you and your livestock's, if cold room will be too cold, you come to the public and Internet forum to deceive your nitwits readers as you imagined Nairalanders are.

if you belief they are thinking people, why would you imagined them to accept your offer that shepherds and their flocks will sleep out in a condition that forms ice just like a cold room?

If you imagined we are not foolish, why on earth would you say that an area that can form snow on top a hill that the under of the hill is hot?
you can't even respect that at least some people have a fridge and knows what happens when the door of a cold fridge is open that it oozes out cold air.

i really dont know why u prefer to argue from sentiments instead of facts.

shadeyinka:
You argue like those who say:
"Show me one scripture where Jesus says I am God, worship me!"

Use something else!

I didnt ask u to show me word for word, at least show me where it is implied.
if a muslim as me to show him where jesu is God i can show him where it is implied, i can also show places where he was worshipped.

U believe that scripture is d sole authority, the least u can do is show where that is taught in scripture.

If it isnt taught anywhere kindly say so.

shadeyinka:
I gave 53 scriptures for your perusal of the forms of the use of gynaika. Its enough to eraze any bias

i actually told u that it could have been 226 instance of gynaika, the conclusion will still be the same:
1. It can mean woman, wife, or lady.
2. The translator are responsible for chosing one of the posible meaning.
3. A decision is made based on the context of the text.
4. The context doesnt suggest wife.
5. All translators before protestanism translated that particular passage as woman.
6. The first translators to use wife in that passage were protestants.


I do not have bais, the facts are clear, there are two possible translation and some translators chose the one neither supported by context or antiquity.

That is why the moment u brought that passage i was quick to tell u to be careful with it since is was pretty weak.

shadeyinka:
Your question is like asking the question "where does the bible say thous shalt not sniff cocaine!".

I ignored the question unless you can find scripture also to support traditions overriding scriptures as authority.

However, there are several warnings against traditions creeping into the church. Traditions with no basis on what Jesus or the apostles taught.

Examples:
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Instead the Bible says:
◄ 2 Timothy 3:16 ►

New International Version
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

New Living Translation
All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.

so there is no passage that imply dat d bible is d sole authority abi?

jcross19:
so tell us the father of God!!!!!

GOD only had a foster father, his name is joseph from d line of david.

OLAADEGBU:
Since Jesus was God, and Mary gave birth to Jesus, doesn't that make Mary the mother of God?

IT DOES

easymancfc:
So are you saying the that the incarnated Jesus was not God, that he was just man?

That is a form of nestorianism.

OLAADEGBU:
Was Mary Joseph’s second wife? Did Joseph have a wife and children before he married Mary? I hope faithful Roman Catholics will be able to help us out here.

There is no outright biblical support for it and frankly i dont know but it isnt outside the realm of posibility.

Muafrika2:
I suspect so. And fairly advanced in age too. He was dead by the time Jesus started preaching. We should ask ourselves, if Jesus had brothers, why not leave his mother with them, instead telling John to take care of her just before he died? They must have been step brothers.

HMMM

perspicuity of scripture is d doctrine that claims that any sincere person who carrys a bible and reads it will clearly understand what is written unto salvation. the doctrine cant be found in the bible, it is unbiblical, antibiblical, and unrealistic.

1. It is unbiblical because it isnt found in d bible.
2. Antibiblical because it contradicts d bible, in acts 8:31 d bible records d ethopian eunuch say 'how can i understand unless someone guides me', the treasuries of scripture are not crystal clear to all but only to those who posses the holy spirit.

3. It is unrealistic, because if it were true we wont be having 30,000 denomination that differ in doctrine

It is a doctrine manufactured in the 1600s, a later day teaching or rather heresy perpetuated by the reformer and believed by their disciples.

MrPresident1:
You don't understand? Then seek to understand. Joseph is the house of David, the house of perpetual rulership over Israel by God's eternal decree. Mary is Israel, or the people.

Jesus is the son of of David, his mother is Eve/Israel/Mary

There is some nice parallels here but d way u put it make it sound wierd. joseph is a real human being so also mary.
they can also be seen as figures of representatives of other things like d mary, eve, isreal parallel, but they are real people.

sonmvayina:
You do realise Mary is lucifer...the light bearer, she is also the "morning star".,,you will see that when you check the litany of mary..it is one of her titles...

Morning star is also a title for Jesus, is Jesus also lucifer?
if u die and go to heaven Jesus promises to give u d morning star, does that also make u lucifer?

Sandydayziz:
Edo state still sleeping?

Patiently waiting for 2017!

I dont think edo was a beneficiary of d rice loans that drove up production.

ezenwajosh:
MOSTLY WOMEN DOES THIS..... AN ANGLICAN OR FULLY BLOODED CATHOLIC AND ALSO A CHARISMATIC MEMBER BUT WHEN THEY WANT THE CALLED SPIRITUAL PRAYERS AND REVELATIONS THEY GO TO PENTECOSTAL PASTORS.......WHO IN TURN TELL THEM LIES ABOUT THEIR FAMILIES AND REQUESTS MONEY FOR FAMILY PRAYERS AND CLEANSES......AND AM ASKING DOES THAT MEAN THE PRIESTS IN THEIR RESPECTIVE CHURCHES ARE NOT CONNECTED TO GOD TO DO ALL THIS??

1st i don't know personally anyone who have done this, if it is done, i believe it is becos those who do it do not know or appreciate what they have.

truthislight:
I don't have time to argue silly argument with you.

Shepherd were out at night as the Bible puts it is now "Shepherd destined for the temple".

Before? People carrying their sheep on a journey and it rain will carry their livestock's on their head when it starts raining. Why not? Otherwise, why should that be an issue here?

Is the issue not that it is a customary thing to sleep under the snow and cold weather with livestock?

But, what sort of man will see that it is raining and send his livestock's outside is the question you should think about.

Twisting of the scripture is an old Tradition to your lot. Next time, it will not be that they were on their way to Jerusalem, but it is a normal customary thing to sleep under the slow or when The temperatures has dropped so low that snow falls be it hill or whatever, they send their flocks out To sleep outside.

d usual rant. it was also answered previously with pictures showing sherpherds in winter.

truthislight:
Lol. He is even quoting a body that celebrate Christmas as an authority to buttressed the no brainer he was attempting to give.

And so? there as many thing quoted there, rabbinic sources etc... so d migdal eder is wrong becos my link isnt frm ur church?

urheme:
for what

if you can show me in the bible when Jesus actually threw parties for himself in the name of Birthday.....

Next u will ask me to show u where Jesus pooed in d bible abi?

Geist:
@shadeyinka, I think it will also be fair to state what you take to be Scriptures. This is because I know many books were written, many of which claimed to be written by the apostles or their followers. Some of these books were rejected as false and out right lies. could you explain how these books were scrutinized and some accepted while other were rejected as false without the help of the tradition of the church?

he hasnt told us where d bible says it is d sole authority, i doubt he will respond to this.

It becomes even more interesting that the said passage has always been translated 'a sister, a woman' untill the 1600s with the advent of protestanism, that means d change was motivated and influenced by protestant teaching.

early christians and scripture commentator who actually spoke greek comment on d passage.
St. Augustine, The Work of Monks 2 wrote: When his identity has been
established, he [Paul] shows that the privileges granted to the other apostles are his also, namely, exemption from manual labor and
livelihood in recompense for his preaching as the Lord appointed.
This is stated most clearly according to the verses where St.
Paul argues explicitly that faithful women, possessing the goods of
this world, went along with the apostles and ministered to them
from their own supplies that the
servants of God might lack none
of those commodities which
constitute the necessities of
life… . Certain persons, not understanding this passage, have
interpreted it as “wife.

For I would that all men were even as myself : but every one hath his proper gift from God; one after this manner, and another after that. But I say to the unmarried, and
to the widows: It is good for them if they so continue, even as I.

Since paul has already made it clear that he wasnt married and had no intention to do so, why then will he be argueing about his right to take along a wife? that translation doesnt fit the context.
the sentence before it says "have we not a right to eat and drink?" then he says 'have we not a right to take along adephen gynaika...? are barnabas and i the only ones who have a right to stop working? what soldier will serve the army at his own expense?"

From the verses that preceed and those that follows we can deduce the clear context, paul was talking about his right to be cared for without any expense, not abt a right to marry but to be accompained by a christian sister to care for his material needs.
To be contd

mathew says the same:
''And there were there many women afar off, who had followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto Him; among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee (27:55-56).

The Greek word employed by both Matthew and Luke referring to these pious women who followed and served Our Lord is the same word used by Saint Paul: gunaikes None of the exegetes thought of translating the expression as “wives.”
Returning to Saint Paul, the context of the Epistle to the Corinthians does not
warrant any conclusion that the
Apostle was claiming some right to take a wife with him since a little earlier (7:7-, he had made clear that he was not married and had no intention to marry. He preferred perfect chastity to the married state which he, nonetheless, held in high esteem. In that passage, addressing
both the single and widowed, he writes:
to be contd

The Real Meaning of Adelphên Gunaika

Gunaika (the accusative or objective form of gunê ) can mean both “a woman” and “a
wife". To avoid any ambiguity as to the
meaning, Saint Paul qualified the word gunaika with the word

adelphên (the objective form of adelphê ), which means “a sister,” thus making a composite expression translating
literally into “a sister woman.”

To understand this a little cultural and historical gloss is helpful. Among the Jews, it was the custom for pious ladies to follow their spiritual masters to aid them in their domestic needs. The Gospels record the fact that pious women followed Jesus and served Him.
"And certain women who had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities: Mary who is called Magdalene, out of whom seven devils were gone forth, and Joanna the wife of Chusa, Herod’s steward, and Susanna, and many others who ministered unto Him of their substance" (lk 8:2-3).

To b contd