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[quote author=DoctorAlien post=51803806]What are the new rules for living in the spirit?[/] Believe in GOD and in Jesus who he sent, love GOD and neigbour. that is d core of d new rules for living

Who abolished the Sabbath, and where did he abolish it?

JESus did abolish d sabbath when d old law came to an end, they were only mere shadows. it happened on d cross eph 2;5

"There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of GOD;" Heb. 4:9

there wil b a sabbath rest from all work in heaven, that passage doesnt teach to observe d sabbath. D rest is in heaven not now.

DoctorAlien:
Under what law are we now?

"So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty." James 2:12

What is this law by which we will be judged? Where is it in the Bible?

it is found in d new testament.

In the light of the verse above, why do you choose to desecrate GOD's Sabbath, seeing that the same Person who said "thou shalt not kill" also said "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy"? Are you not transgressing GOD's law?

God also inspired this.
Colossians 2:16, “Therefore no one is to act as your judge in
regard to food or drink or in respect to a
festival or a new moon or a sabbath day -
things which are a mere shadow of what is to
come; but the substance belongs to Christ.”

DoctorAlien:
Are you serious? Where did Christ tell the man to keep the commandments until after His death? And where was it stated that Christ's injunction in Matt. 19:17-19 was meant only for Jews?

is there any mention of sabbath in that passage? the follow laws were repeated.
18 “Which ones?” he inquired. Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall
not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you
shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’[a] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself. there is no mention of sabbath

Did Christ's disciples not continue to keep the Sabbath even after He ascended?

GAL 4;
10 You observe days and months and seasons and
years! 11 I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.

DoctorAlien:
"By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." 1 Jn. 5:3

Why are you not keeping GOD's commandments?

I am keeping d law of GOD as it pertains to a christian

Colossians 2:16, “Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a SABBATH DAY -
things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.”

the bible clearly say the sabbath observance is just a mere shadow and i should not allow anyone judge me about it, just as d old law is a mere shadow so is its sabbath. those shadow have all passed away.

DoctorAlien:
So you know something about testaments/wills? You know that Jesus ratified the New Testament with His blood eh? Where did Jesus command His disciples to disregard the Sabbath before His death?

the very place wher he allowed d spirit to teach dat d law has been abolished and we are not under it.

And if Jesus the Testator did not add "disregard for/desecration of the Sabbath" to His covenant before He ratified it with His blood, who can add that to it?

go back to ur english class and read up what it means to abolish a law, and what it means not to be under a law.

let me give u an example, nigeria was previously under british laws, their penal codes were also used here, until we made our own constition and abolished theirs. there are stil some laws both nations share but a nigerian in dis country isnt under british law, any law not in d nigerian law book may be disregarded.
D law at sinai has been abolish, a few have been repeated but nt sabat

DoctorAlien:
Under what law are we now?

"So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty." James 2:12

What is this law by which we will be judged? Where is it in the Bible?

"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law" James 2:10-11

In the light of the verse above, why do you choose to desecrate GOD's Sabbath, seeing that the same Person who said "thou shalt not kill" also said "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy"? Are you not transgressing GOD's law?

THAT SAME BEING INSPIRED PAUL TO TEACH THAT I AM NO LONGER UNDER D LAW GIVEN AT SINAI, he also taught u that d said law has been abolished by the cross.

any old testament law not repeated in d new testament is no binding on a xtian.

DoctorAlien:
"By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." 1 Jn. 5:3

Why are you not keeping GOD's commandments?

i keep the commandments that are petinent to me as a christian not the jewish law. My bible clearly says i am not under d laws given at sinai. D commandments of Jesus are love God and neighbour. no sabbath was commanded.

Amen, there exist a sabbath rest in heaven for d people of GOD not here.

DoctorAlien:
"There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of GOD;" Heb. 4:9

4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these
words: “On the seventh day God rested from
all his works.”[c] 5 And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my
rest.” 6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly
had the good news proclaimed to them did not
go in because of their disobedience, 7 God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This
he did when a long time later he spoke through
David, as in the passage already quoted: “Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”[d] 8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another
day. 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works,[e] just as God did from his.

DoctorAlien:
Are you serious? Where did Christ tell the man to keep the commandments until after His death? And where was it stated that Christ's injunction in Matt. 19:17-19 was meant only for Jews? Did Christ's disciples not continue to keep the Sabbath even after He ascended?



What are the new rules for living in the spirit? Who abolished the Sabbath, and where did he abolish it?

because a will is in force only when somebody
has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. Heb 9;17
the new dispensation came after Jesus died, d law still had force when JESUS was alive but that change destroying in his own flesh the wall which separated us. HE ABOLISHED THE LAW WITH ITS COMMANDS AND PRECEPTS...through the cross eph 2;15-17
we are no longer under the law, i already quoted dat passage, d law has been abolished by d cross cf eph 2, so too d observance sabbath and days, gal 4:10,11.

[url]m.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/full-text-and-explanatory-notes-of-cardinals-questions-on-amoris-laetitia#.WEvTneRlkWI[/url]
Has anyone come across this.
m.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/group-of-catholic-scholars-offer-full-support-to-four-cardinals-and-dubia#.WEvTseRlkWI

DerideGull:
My sister, one can write a historical fact if only such person can limit the essay on what he/she knows for the fact. I can safely say that the original poster is the product of failed educational system of Nigeria. Like Buhari, most Nigerians cannot pass WASC examination even if they were given the answers to copy.

Please point to the wrong sections of d post.

DoctorAlien:
Why did Christ command the man who came to him to keep the commandments?(Matt. 19:17-19)

1. the man was a jew,
2. christ hadnt yet died.

Do you know that the true saints of GOD are those who keep GOD's commandments and have the faith of Jesus?(Rev. 12:17; 14:12)
What reason do you have to disobey GOD's commandments(The 10 Commandments)?

U have a problem with comprehension, i never said d 10 commandments should b disobeyed. instead i repeat what scriptures says We are, therefore, not under the law issuing from Sinai. Instead, we are answerable to God under the "new and living way" (Hebrews
10:20) we are not under d laws issued at sanai, there is a new testament, new rules for living in d spirit. some old testament laws were brought into d new, but d sabbat certainly wasnt.

Kalatium:
You don't know what happened in Christianity from 4th to 16th century but you are claiming that the roman Church nor papacy corrupts scripture.

I am very aware what happened during that time, no corruption was done by d church, instead d church preserved and transmitted and cautiously translated scriptures during those centuries.

MrMontella:
let me help you...
Cc syncan
italo
ubendictus...
Would like to see syncan's reply on this tho..


I think the bible supports their position tho...but i dont think its possible in a real life setting...

Who dey call me 4 dis matter? it has been discussed severally syncan, italo, francis and many others. infact d blog in d op has an article titled brothers of Jesus.

una know d truth, una wan just disturb. the perpetual virginity of mary is a truth consistently taught in christianity for 1800yrs, these new less than 100yrs old later days doctriners are d ones always disturbing.

Syncan:
Oh, ok na that kind of white, I see.

Lol,

U and ur funny stories, no commandment is missing from d bible and there are married catholic priest. there is no catholic doctrine that says d wisemen were 3 that is just artistic imagination, i think pope benedict in his book Jesus of Nazareth also noted that d bible doesnt count d wisemen or even say d angel sang, all that is artistic imagination not catholic doctrine.


anyone can dispute d number of wise men and even wether priests shuld marry, that doesnt make anyone a heretic, but if u are denying that Jesus was born, died and rose again, then u are a heretic.

Kalatium:
In addition, we are not saying that members of Catholic Church are evil or bad the problem is the roman church itself and the papacy that corrupt scripture.

Neither d church nor d papacy corrupts scripture.

DoctorAlien:
Yes of course. No catholic scholar with "d mind of d church" will teach that the Bible enjoins Christians to keep the Sabbath of GOD holy.

Why would they teach the truth? Have they not substituted human tradition for GOD's precepts?

You appear to have not even an iota of Bible knowledge if you claim that the law, and especially the Sabbath was given only to the Jews. Go and read Genesis, after the Creation, to see when GOD instituted and hallowed the Sabbath.

You had better start reading the Bible for yourself and stop following the dictates of your mortal holy father.

christ has broken down by his body d ordinances and commandments of d old testament. I remember that i have discussed this wit u b4, but u are a judiazer, making d new covenant useless by emphasing d law. Read galatians.

5solas this is what trent taught. no pelagainism
Canon 1. If anyone says that man can be justified before God by his own works, whether done by his own natural powers or through the teaching of the law,[110] without divine grace through Jesus Christ, let him be anathema. Canon 2. If anyone says that divine grace through Christ Jesus is given for this only, that man may be able more easily to live justly and to merit eternal life, as if by free will without grace he is able to do both, though with hardship and difficulty, let him be anathema.
Canon 3. If anyone says that without the predisposing inspiration of the Holy Ghost[111] and without His help, man can believe, hope, love or be repentant as he ought,[112] so that the grace of justification may be bestowed upon him, let him be anathema. www.ewtn.com/library/councils/trent6.htm

5solas:
I am yet to read your link . Agreed they condemed Pelegianism then but they reversed themselves later and embraced it, in the Council of Trent, I believe.
And yet the Catholic Church does not err.

Have u even read d council of trent? a council doesnt reverse another. trent didnt reverse orange.

Kalatium:
But modern churches are forcing us to pay tithe saying we are robbing God

ThAT is is their own lies.

oaroloye:
SHALOM!



Where did you read that I said that I read "THREE WISE MEN" were at the Nativity?

I never said that the Fake Roman Catholic Bibles say that.

(I recommend you to take VITAMIN B Complex- absolutely vital to brain function!)

That is, however, the ROMAN CATHOLIC TRADITIONAL TEACHING.

This is what u said;

The Bible is rendered useless when it is
modified by LIES.
For example: WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY THAT
THREE WISE MEN OR KINGS MET
YAHSHUA AT HIS BIRTH IN THE MANGER?


u claimed d example of modifing d bible is d 3 wise men. where did a catholic bible write 3 wise men?

5solas:
Roman Catholicism! Spring of Pelagianism, Arminianism, Counter-reformation, Jesuits, e.t.c

reformed.org/documents/index.html?mainframe=http://www.reformed.org/documents/canons_of_orange.html

This is what d church teaches and taught against pelagius, that make pelagianism a heresy totally forbidden in catholicism

5solas:
Roman Catholicism! Spring of Pelagianism, Arminianism, Counter-reformation, Jesuits, e.t.c

Are u even award that it was d catholic church that condemed pelegianism long before luther and co was born?

collinsfhk:
Marrying tradition and religion gave birth to catholic. That's the reason most of their practices are not biblical.

Rem. Christianity is a program, its a movement. God used Martin Luther to bring revival to the body of Christ that time.

Martin luther was an anti semite, who broke both his vows and taught heresy, d devil used him as a tool to cause division.

DoctorAlien:
Continue lying. Read Isa. 58:13 to find out which day is the LORD's.

If the commandments were set aside, then it was not by GOD, because even your hypocritical catholic scholars admit that the Bible enjoins the observance of the Sabbath.

Continue lying.

no catholic scholar with d mind of d church will teach that d bible enjoins xtians to keep d sabbath that is a jewish law 4 d jewish people during d dispensation of d old law, it has lost it judicial power when Christ died and and been replace d law of freedom, d spirit of GOD.

Kalatium:
If the commandments and ordinances of the old law had been set aside, then why is killing a sin,why do we pay tithe

Because do not kill is also in d new covenant, but keep d sabbat isnt a command in d new covenant and paying tithe isnt a new t command, both are none binding on a christian.

SisterMe:
Oh yes..the State did...and the laws of the state were drawn up under whose influence? the church of course..so there's no passing the buck here..

The state draws it law from many places, sometimes from d bible other times from d voice of the people, d important issue is that d law isnt unjust and d punishment is deserving. It isnt passing d buck. The state has d power to put sum1 to death.

oaroloye:
SHALOM!



READING THE BIBLE IN CHURCH IS MEANINGLESS- because ALL Churches do that.

The Bible is rendered useless when it is modified by LIES.

For example:

WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY THAT THREE WISE MEN OR KINGS MET YAHSHUA AT HIS BIRTH IN THE MANGER?

How would that even be POSSIBLE, when they were only aware of Yahshua at his BIRTH?

This Belief proves that ROMAN CATHOLICS CANNOT THINK for themselves.

Which catholic bible did u read 3 wise men?? stop lying dear. it is ur protestant bibles that are incomplete and modified.

jnrbayano:
Ocho okwu...lol

wE are waiting, that ur big chest go good 4 suit.

collinsfhk:
Marrying tradition and religion gave birth to catholic. That's the reason most of their practices are not biblical.

Rem. Christianity is a program, its a movement. God used Martin Luther to bring revival to the body of Christ that time.

Religion is simply belive in a GOD, gods or goddess as d case may be, christianity is a religion and d bible tell it has traditions. weytin u get against traditions and religion.

Kalatium:
There are misinterpretations and assumptions in the catechisms just as it is in the other Denominations.

there are no misinterpretation or assumption in d catechism, it is based on revealed truth.