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shadeyinka:
1) a woman of any age, whether a virgin, or married, or a widow
2) a wife: a woman bound in marriage
2a) a betrothed woman
2b) a married woman


Now, you see it can both be a woman (of any age or marital status or wife).

so why do u prefer wife to woman in this case when d context doesnt even suggest it.

So, let's look at 53 examples of use in the scriptures: Sorry for the long cut and paste.

actually it appears about 220+ times and translated woman abt 120+ times and wife 90+ times when d context suggest such. in this instance d context doesnt suggest a wife

Do you sincerely believe that it was a mistranslation to call it WIFE?

i think it was translated according to d translator whim. because all d most ancient translations read a woman who is a sister (i.e a christian woman) for over 1600yrs and d new translation began with protestanism who wanted to use it as a justification for their practices.

shadeyinka:
It helped me to check out the Greek words used.
adelphēn=ἀδελφὴν = a sister
gynaika=γυναῖκα =a wife

The first meaning for gynaika in any concordance is woman.
guné: a woman
Original Word: γυνή, αικός, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: guné
Phonetic Spelling: (goo-nay')
Short Definition: a woman, wife, my lady Definition: a woman, wife, my lady.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
a prim. word
Definition
a woman

Now the question, if d first meaning and definition is always woman in concordance but may sumtimes b 'wife', or 'lady', or even a 'woman's' and maybe a widow how then do the translators determine which meaning to use? the answer is CONTEXT. If the passage has qualifiers before gynaika, like his, whose, thy...or in a context of marriage then the translators write wife.

a good question u should ask urself is what context neccesitate that translation? why have all translations before 1600 use woman not wife?

shadeyinka:
Its actually the reverse, sacred traditions MUST not contradict the scripture.

On traditions, I am sure you know that there is what is called traditions of Men; how does a person recognize that which is from men and that which originates from God.

Isn't it safe to base ALL traditions either on that which the apostles WROTE down or clearly unambiguous traditions that confirm the LOGOS.

But actually the scriptures should be the sole authority. That is why in the court of law, the constitution (written down legal tender) is the final authority. We can have traditional laws BUT they must bow to the constitution else chaos will result. So it is with Scriptures and Traditions.

Traditions are not evil but they cannot have weights outside the scriptures.

I wanted to respond to ur two posts when i remembered, u still havent answered my question. what passage teach that scripture should b d sole authority?

stop playing hide and seek.

truthislight:
Courtesy of Al-Jazeera

Pictures of Golan Heights in Israel filled with snow December 21st 2016

http://aje.io/gbag

https://int.icej.org/news/commentary/tower-flock
cbn.com/special/thenativitymovie/articles/whybethlehem.aspx

The sherpherd from the area of bethlehem watch their sheep all year round since they were destined for d temple

truthislight:
Courtesy of Al-Jazeera

Pictures of Golan Heights in Israel filled with snow December 21st 2016

http://aje.io/gbag

Golan height is a hilly area, and as geography should tell u such areas generally have heavy snow even when d surrounding areas are less snowy or without snow.

Jesus was born in bethlehem not golan hieghts, a community reputed for keeping d sheeps used in the temple and must be taken to jerusalem regardles of season. There are also pictures of shepherds moving with sheep even in d snow, such have been provided on this thread. Did u miss it?

shadeyinka:
I guess we can trade questions. I will answer this question
'where does d bible teach that tradition is d sole authority in christian issues?'

this is a case of argueing with yourself. nobody here has taught that tradition is a sole authority, i do not share such a belief that there exists a sole authority in tradition or d bible. Instead u and ur friends claimed that the sole authority is d bible. Where does d bible say so, where does it support u. U have d burden of proof.

If this has an answer, I promise to answer yours.

The question I asked was to show that sometimes, traditions contradict the scriptures. When it happens like that, what should a christian follow?

in matters of doctrine, scriptures does not contradict sacred tradition, it doesnt happen. if one think he has found such a case then he must assume he isnt reading d tradition correctly or misinterpreting d bible or it is a matter of discipline not doctrine.

shadeyinka:
All Human beings are fallible including the early protestant church fathers. My source is the Scriptures and testimonies from those who knew Jesus firsthand.

Other than this, one can always find people who could even say that Jesus was married and had one daughter.

So, my Bro, let's use the scriptures as the basis of our conclusions.

the problem is that, the teaching dat says scripture shuld b d sole authority 4 doctrines come from d reformer, if they are fallible as u claim then what else are they wrong about? maybe even sola scriptura

shadeyinka:
Just a few questions.

1. Do you know that Jesus had brothers and sisters (at least two of His younger brothers were named in the scriptures)?

unless u are using d word brother and sisters as d hebrews and suntimes nigerians do.

2. If Mary had other siblings, were they also immaculately conceived? (I.e. Joseph never ever slept with Mary)?

d question is wrong.

3. Is there any scriptural evidence to suggest the perpetual virginity of Mary?

yeah.

4. Suppose I say that Joseph was perpetually a virgin, would you agree?

I wish other Catholics will clear these questions above.

Cc: SalC

yeah, joseph was a virgin from when he maried mary till death parted them.

Syncan:
Really

Are you saying that you understood, what Paul wrote in 1cor 4:6 as a contradiction and nullification of, what he wrote in 2 Thess 2:15?

Webster's Bible Translation
And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself, and to Apollos, for your sakes; that ye may learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you on account of one, may be puffed up against another.

JMAN05:
1cor 4:6

Webster's Bible Translation

And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself, and to Apollos, for your sakes; that ye may learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you on account of one, may be puffed up against another.

shadeyinka:
You know that that is very wrong!
Yes, Peter has a mother in-law which implies that hebhas a wife. I have never heard a person call the in-law of ones brother mother in-law. Its an over stretch of basic logic.

Let me clear this with another scripture:

1 Corinthians 9:5
5 Don’t we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas?

I believe this has made it plane. And that is why traditions should not override the scriptures. Traditions could have been embellished along the line.

With love. Shalom

Be careful with that passage, the greek word there is ''adelphaen gynaika'' which literally means ''a sister- a woman'', christain have translated it so for 1500yrs before protestanism, paul was refering to d xtian women that went wit d apostles to provide for their needs like some women did for Jesus.


'a sister a wife' is a new translation began in d 1600s. be careful with it.

StOla:
Does bitcoin need the approval of CBN to begin with?

It's like saying the ministry of health may approve eating of food.

U need d ministy sumtimes to approve imported goods.

shadeyinka:
"Major" is relative isn't it?
You will note that the church didn't split because of most of what you stated as "major issues".

Actually major isn't relative in those issue, they were so serious and widespread that a council had to be convocked, and arianism and d judiazer did split d church read up and arainism and d proof of d judaizers venom is found in scriptures in pauls epistles particularly in galatians where he call dem fools...etc for beliving d judaizer teaching.


Lastly my posts isnt about self but to show ur information is wrong, d church has no doctrine called d divinity of mary, such was not d topic of a council, and such a made-up topic didnt split d church.

shadeyinka:
Kindly furnish me with other recognized authorities and criteria for accepting them as representing scriptural truths?

please answer my questions first, dont jump them and paste urs.
THIS WERE MY QUESTION.
Where does d bible say that
scriptures is d sole authority on
christain issue?
What scripture support that?Where does d bible say that
scriptures is d sole authority on
christain issue?
What scripture support that?

shadeyinka:
I wonder why this your statements are full of self. Since you know all, speakup.

Under what conditions should traditions replace the scriptures.

Just these 3 in one question?
Is Peter the first Pope?
If he is, why is he Married?
Shouldn't Popes be celebrate?


If you answer these three questions satisfactorily, then, you would have convinced me beyond all doubt that we can follow traditions as Authorities just like the Scriptures.

Other than that, you are just speaking from sentiments

I have asked u a question and u have not responded, 'where does d bible teach that it is d sole authority in christian issues?' and u have not answered that question instead u are expanding d issues into other topics. d topic is mary's virginity, d present tangent is scripture as sole authority. let us take it one at a time.

PastorAIO:
But Jesus did preach, and extensively too, on the subject of Salvation.

yeah, he did preach about salvation, repent and believe, born of water and spirit, obey d commandments...yeah he taught about salvation, but all that seem preprogrammed to his death, his life finds meaning in his death and so does his teaching, only by dying does d grain bear. no death no fruit.

analice107 have u managed to check out d adoptionism heresy?

shadeyinka:
Perfectly said!
Joseph wasn't planning celibacy when he got Mary betrothed to him. Neither was Mary planning celebacy else, why get engaged to a man in the first place.

Mary wasn't even expecting to be the Mother of the Christ else she wouldn't have told the Angel "How can this be since I have not known a man?"

A lot of Catholics don't know that the first split within the Church centered on the issue of Marys eternal spiritual status "Mother of God!" versus "Bearer of God!"

To correct d record, d first major issue in d church were d judaizer, d 'law of moses keeper', it led to d council of jerusalem in act 15, after dat there were many minor heresies...d next major one is arianism and it spilt the church it was on d nature of Christ, it lead to d council of nicea.

yetseyi:
Seems there are other stuffs you guys refer to as scriptures apart from the bible but if not I just observed that the 3 of you are still using the scriptures as a reference in this discourse

as 4 d discussion, scriptures refer to d bible.

I really can't believe what I am reading, The Bible cannot be used as the sole authority in faith conduct or our Christian life?

where is it taught dat d bible is d sole authority

traditions seem greater than the Bible? Issorait.

hope u are not trying to lie against sum1, who said this?

May the eyes of our understanding be enlightened Amen.

God bless you too.

amen

shadeyinka:
Supported only from the scriptures

Where does d bible say that scriptures is d sole authority on christain issue?

What scripture support that?

shadeyinka:
Interestingly I haven't used any Greek word.
Bearer and Mother aren't the same. It wasnt even supposed to be an insult to any denomination. It was just a presentation of facts.

There was a split within the church
The split was about the divinity of Mary

Mary is Pius but not Devine!


Modified:
Bearer of Christ versus Mother of God
I meant to say:
Instead of Bearer of God vs Mother of God
my error.

Me Apologizes!!

better to keep quite and allow people assume u are ignorant than to speak up and confirm it.
there is no split in d church based on any arguement about mary's divinity, it is heresy to ascribe divinity by nature to mary, anyone who does that is teaching heresy. the church never considered such an absurd idea.


now u can go and read up d nestorian heresy, d council chair by st cyril of alexadria on behalf of d pope. the topic was d nature of Jesus. read up council of ephesus nd chalcedon.

shadeyinka:
Thanks o! My sister.
History is OK But doctrinal issues must be settled ONLY with the scriptures. Perpetual virginity of Mary falls under doctrines unfortunately it doesn't have any iota of biblical basis

This is ur private opinion.

yetseyi:
Hello, I am not really interested contributing to the discourse itself I was just reading through as usual and I saw these set of statements and I was . I couldnt just let it pass.I have not read the comments after this post yet.


Why shouldn't the scripture be the basis of every Christian conclusion , If its not biblical then its not right. In fact the holy spirit will NEVER contradict the bible and that's one way to be sure its the holy spirit that is speaking.

So Yes the bible should be the basis of everychristain conclusion .

Actually d op made a fine point, nowhere is it written in scriptures that the bible should be the only basis for every christian conclusion. if u have such a passage provide it.

shadeyinka:
Perfectly said!
Joseph wasn't planning celibacy when he got Mary betrothed to him. Neither was Mary planning celebacy else, why get engaged to a man in the first place.

Mary wasn't even expecting to be the Mother of the Christ else she wouldn't have told the Angel "How can this be since I have not known a man?"

A lot of Catholics don't know that the first split within the Church centered on the issue of Marys eternal spiritual status "Mother of God!" versus "Bearer of God!"

You have enter the ally of speculation, what if, maybe, she didnt know and ignorance. your ignorance of church history just reared its ugly head, theotokus and mother of God are d same thing.

I wanted to simply sit on d sidelines and watch d thread but c'mon limit urself to what u know dont turn d thread into speculation and ignorance parade.

MrPresident1:
My brother are you a learner?

Job 8:8-9
8 For enquire, I pray thee, of the former age, and prepare thyself to the search of their fathers:
9 (For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth are a shadow

John 9:2
And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

So Bros, when did the man sin that he was born blind?

this is where i say bye bye, have a nice day. i dont have time for long arguements. it is appoint unto man once to die and after dat come judgement. when dat simply principle is thrown out d window, off i go.

Agimor:
All these Mou on South South Oil... It's well.

It is for niger oil not south south oil. read b4 u comment.

DoctorAlien:
Meanwhile Jesus and his apostles kept the Sabbath day holy, eh?
Can you tell me what this law of love is?

this is what d bible says:
COL 2;16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

doctoralien say: u must keep d sabbath.
i will ignore d alien and follow scriptures.

DoctorAlien:
Have you been released from "thou shalt not commit adultery"? Is that not part of the law?

thou shalt not commit adultery is found in the new testament. This is what is written about the sabbath
COL 2;16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.*

Kalatium:
No. Mind am, the old testament is still on, Jesus said he didn't come to abolish but fulfil the law

LEARN TO READ UR BIBLE.
Roman7:4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

DoctorAlien:
So which commandments and statutes and laws of GOD did Abraham keep according to Gen. 26:5?

Certainly not d laws given at sinai.

Kalatium:
Then you have never studied the Bible

Actually i have, what we have there are seeming contradictions, when well understood everything falls in line.

DoctorAlien:
Hypocrite, James Cardinal Gibbons says that the Scriptures enforce the observance of the Saturday Sabbath.

What do you have to say, hypocrite?

YOU CAN INSULT ME ALL U LIKE AND QUOTE ANY CARDINAL UNTIL U ARE BLUE IN THE FACE, THIS IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS

COL 2;16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

GOD HAS ENDED D TOPIC