₦airaland Forum

elampiro:
When a Pope is refusing to do what is right he automatically is excommunicating himself. That's Canon law for you. His interviews, even this month, are a disaster. I have never seen a Pope refusing to defend the faith. He is being cunning and he equivocates in his sermons.

actually dear, that is a gray portion of canon law, the suff that excommunicates a cleric is "heresy", not refusal to do work. He pope hasn't taught heresy,...those canons cannot be applied.


You seem to be readin half baked people on blogs.

elampiro:
Akita was approved. LaSalette has even a stronger message about 'a future Pope'.

Maria Divine Mercy is one among recent messages talking about the Pope and a coming division between a Schismatic one world church/religion and a faithful remnant.

maria divine mercy is not an approved apparation, the bishop of the diocese is distancin himself from the so-called "apparation".

Pls don't rank maria divine mercy along with fatima, la salette, akita...

btoks:
May the holy spirit continue to guide the synod as it discuses these family issues.
Unfortunately western media has picked up on the notes on welcoming homosexual persons and taken this as a gradual change in doctrine.
the document does make it clear that while its worth giving a better welcome to gays. this will not compromise established teaching.

amen!

Rich4god:
@Ubenedictus... Sorry for using the word annulled implace of divorce... Will respond to ur post when am free...

no problem dear.

dragon2:
The good thing is that it is a document not a teaching,the teachings of the church remain the same and can't be changed.

yeah, it isn't yet a teaching, it is just a report of what is happening in the synod.


I am still a bit cautious though, there have been reports of a heavy disregard and redefinition of "church teaching" among church leaders.

Syncan:
It isn't a final document, some of those worrisome statements are just capturing the views of some bishops, the numerical strength I do not know. It is a trying time for the church and we should pray more. I look foward to the teachings of the church standing in the end, but I expect a whole lot of palliative language, which generally amount to nothing destructive to the teachings, just to encourage those who are in such unfortunate situation to a closer relationship with Christ. But I must say that the subtility in the use of language in that document is too "liberal".

i also expect palliative languages and encouragement, the church needs to be present in the lives of all these people, i also expect something more definite, this document is very porous.

There are phrases and principles here that lend themselves to a variety of interpretation. There is an interesting rowdiness about the synod, it seems everybody is playing the press game, card burke got tired of argueing inside the synod and brought his concerns to the press, those from south america seem very fluid on these issues and pope francis is preaching a good dose of mercy and generousity through out the synod.

I am holding tight to my rosary.

elampiro:
You have spoken well here. But what is happening already isn't good at all.

what is happening is that bishops are inside a chapel praying and discussing about thorny topic. We do not yet have any final word.

asalimpo:
you accept them but not their ways? Clarify?

the same way God accepts you but detest your sins.

The church isn't just a carnival of holy people, it is a place where sinners come to redemption.

If a homosexual comes around and says, i believe there is a God and i am thinking about Jesus alot recently, i am also attracted to d same sex, will you pursue the person away or give him a sit for a discussion.

Will your church accept the person and rebuke his sins or pursue the person?

elampiro:
One major problem with that document is that it recognised and praised homosexual union. This is a grave error.



Someone cannot declare to the world that he is a fornicator, adulterer, an armed robber, etc and he takes pride in it, then expect the church to welcome him as a sworn armed robber or a fornicator. Homosexuals aren't asking Jesus or the church to forgive them of their sins or that they are willing to repent. They are asking the world and the church to accept their ways just as you have in a husband and wife. Don't you get it?

Just imagine having a group of husbands taking to the street that they have adulterous orientation and they should be accepted that way. or pedophiles asking for their right from state and church. And they want to be admitted into the Sacraments of the church.

there are positive aspects to everything, even if they are sins. Unless the person is totally mad.

Have you ever asked homosexuals why they are in a relationship?

EvilBrain1:
They'll also need to stop opposing women's reproductive rights and discriminating against females. Even al-Qaeda has female leaders than the catholic church. How sexist must you be if Islamist terrorists are more progressive than you! I guess that's what happens when your whole organisation is a sausage-fest full of virgins and pederasts who have no wives or children and no clue about women's issues or the realities of modern family life.

For me, this is just another lame attempt to maintain their relevance. When even devout Catholics are increasingly routinely ignoring their nonsensical teachings on contraception, abortion and gay rights; I'm sure the Vatican can see which way the wind is blowing. The catholic church is already on life support in Europe. Young people in America are abandoning them in droves. And with increasing wealth and education, the third world won't be far behind. Their culture of child räpe, cover-ups and hypocrisy has cost them any shred of moral authority they have left. The fact is church is dying and they know it. Unfortunately its the same resistance to change that made them look so solid in the past that will be their undoing. Its fun to watch them flail around desperately looking for a solution. I feel like making some popcorn.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myGzvGCgnsc?t=46s

hahahahaha.

I pity the day humanity decided that killing the unborn is "reproductive right". You should be happy your mum didn't use he "reproductive right" on you. You would have been dead.


Interestingly the church doesn't discriminate against females, she insteads believes that each sex is created specially. Each with its own responsibilities.

beryl04:
Much as I see what the new pope is doing as a step in d right direction ,I still maintain that homosexuality is not and can never be a sin!

The catholic church should just park well with this their hate the sin and not d sinner jargon.if I as a homosexual is a sinner by default, that means the next man who is a heterosexual is also a sinner and his heterosexual practices also should be considered a sin!

All man are born equal, so heterosexuals should stop arrogating themselves with that holier-than-thou attitude they always have towards homosexuals which has always been hugely aided by the church ,mostly catholic as a result of its long years of existence.

I am not a sinner and having sex with my boyfriend is not and should not be seen as sinning!
The catholic church's been in d fore-front of this hate mongering that has put a lot of innocent souls in harms way for centuries and it's all good that they're are pioneering the start of acceptance and inclusiveness in our age .
But just for the records,it's not enough!
Full acceptance,equality and acceptance and blessing of same-sex marriages will prolly do it.

So pope Francis, well done for the teeny-tiny baby steps but no, I am not a sinner!

hehehe,

now that is funny, it seems you'll be interested in writting a gospel according to beryl.

Actually catholicism teaches that men are born flawed (read up on it), each in a different way. So no, men aren't born saints and there are pattern of life that doesn't please God. Fornication is one of such act so is the homosexuals sexual acts.

That isn't hate mongering, it is love sharing, we care enough to tell you. It isn't born out of hate but out of love. So yeah, each time u have sex with you boyfriend, you commit sin and irrespective of that, or rather because of that, the arm of the catholic church is open, or doors are open. All human will find hope, rest and new purpose in communion with GOd.

Keluong:
why?

probably because it is a possible forgery.

emusmith:
I like your point... You need to understand that IT IS SIN THAT BRINGS CONDEMNATION ON A SINNER...
No one condemns anyone. His sin(Satan himself) condemns him.
My point is: Gay marriage is an innovation from Satan himself to make invalid God's good purpose of marriage (being an Antichrist)... Do you understand? You can't pamper it? You should not condemn it either. You must hate it, kill it, pray against it, kick against it...like we do against some demons...

nobody is sayin you should support gay marriage, the question is "what do you do with a brethren who is attracted to the same sex?" "do you pursue him from you church?" "or teach him to be chaste and resist his inclination?"

chose!

emusmith:
I watched it and he was "insinuating" or mildly put "suggesting" (Expensive Suggestion for a leader of his type) that Gays and Lesbians HAVE SOMETHING to offer to the body of Christ... Which was built on One Man- One Wife...Haba Mana! Try to decipher and decode the veracity of that statement... No Great Leader Say Such Things Openly If He is not giving it a thought of its possibility...
I'm not castigating...
I'm just analysing...
#lipssealed#

actually everybody has somethin to offer including homosexuals.

Do you think they have no positive impart in life and among the brethern simply because they are attracted to the same sex?

This is the mid synodal document, it is purposely ambigous. It can be read both ways and i had a hard time determining whether it is simply pastoral care or if there is something lurking under.

www.zenit.org/en/articles/synod14-full-text-of-relatio-post-disceptationem


i am really grateful this isn't the final document, if it were...i would be having a real interpretation problem.

Rich4god:
I know of so many marriage that have being annulled by the church and sometimes, the partners involved remarries again to a different pple... So I really dont understand what you mean by the bolded.... Gov Chime's marriage was officially annulled by Bishop Gbuji and he remarried right in the church.
My exception is... Incase one of the partner decides to go AWOL with another person without full annulment of the marriage, let there be some leniency from the church on the other partner.

i wish to repeat my earlier statement, the church doesn't believe in divorce, the church thus has no "divorce process".

I also wish to correct the impression that an anulment is equal to a divorce. They are too different things. An anulment says that there was no marriage ab initio. It say that from day one the so called marriage was null and void and of no effect. E.g if mr a did a wedding with mrs b and on the wedding night mrs b found that her mr a is impotent... Then she can apply for anulment and the marriage will be decleared null and void ab initio, because in cases of impotence marriage is not possible.
A divorce says that there is a valid marriage and that after some time there were problems in the marriage so the patners became enstranged and prefer to be apart.


A valid marriage cannot be anulled.

If chimes marriage was annulled as you say, then certainly something happened "before" the wedding that made it null and void and of no effect ab initio.


If there was no marriage ab initio then the parties can now seek for a valid marriage.


As for "leniency", my question is how? How far should this leniency go? Does this leniency acknowledge the fact that the church doesn't have the power to dissolve a valid marriage? Does it remember that the church doesn't have the power to admit a new covenant when the old is still in effect.

How is the church to be lenient.

Trailblazer1:
Matthew 6:7  But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

I'm always skeptic about this repetitive prayers.
Especial when they are not in English.
I don't want to end up worshipping Lucifer ignorantly and thereby losing my soul at the end.
I prefer to rely on the spirit of truth whom Jesus promised to teach me all things "The Holy Spirit"

if you know nothing about the topic in question then keep quiet and read siliently. It isn't funny when you post off point.

clean2:
In a clearer term it means that the catholic church has accpeted gay people and their way of life but it is yet to grant them right to marry. This is seriously an end time manifestation of how far the devil has taken over the catholic church. It doesnt come as a surprise to me because i have always known the catholic church dont have fear for GOD , most of their doctrines has been anti christ. All should watch out for the rapture is it nearer than we expect right now.

we have accepted gay people, we always accept people wether gay or not, but that report doesn't say we accept their way of life.

Try and read again.

ekoson95:
it reads:
o man, i say, lucifer who knows no setting, Christ is your son.

so i dont tink its referring to Christ as d son of man

your translation is incorrect, the phrase "o man" isn't even there, in latin, "o man" is "o homo". As you can see that isn't in the latin.

Somebody mistranslated it to cause confusion.



As italo wrote, this is more correct.
May this flame be found still burning
by the Morning Star:
the one Morning Star who never sets,
Christ your Son,
who, coming back from death's domain,
has shed his peaceful light on humanity,
and lives and reigns for ever and ever.
Amen

ekoson95:
Okay then, which Lucifer (a.k.a Morning Star) are they referring to precisely; and who is whose son?

Jesus is THE morning star (rev 22:16), he is the morning star that will never set, he is the one who brought us life, the son of the father.

That part of the exultet is addressed to the father, it says

May this flame be found still burning by the Morning Star: the one Morning Star who never sets,
Christ your Son, who, coming back from death's domain, has shed his peaceful light on humanity, and lives and reigns for ever and ever.
Amen


do you get it now?

mmsen:
The Catholic Church has been harbouring homosexuals within its ranks since its inception all the while preaching something else to its parishioners.

hehehe, yeah, homosexuals have been in the church for centuries and the church has always told her parishioners that while the inclination is disorder, it isn't sin in and of itself, she has taught that a homosexual person is as much a human being as any other, is dignified is his existence and must be respected as such. They should be accepted with compassion and sensivity.

I can't find the hypocrisy u are talking about.

Keluong:
As for me, I am born catholic, baptized with first holy communion and confirmed. But still, I cant get to believe how that bread and wine becomes body and blood. The thing about all these magic and mysterious beliefs is that it just has to fit into your fantacy realm otherwise there will be doubts. Especially with the case of catholic transubstantiation. I am having a hard time comprehending and believing what was previously bread and is still apparently bread becomes body of someone, who is dead or a spirit or immaterial. The magic is not even appealing cos the priests only says a few confusin words in which you are not sure whether it should be taken literarily a directly talking to us or they are simply restating what Jesus told the desciples. Its so confusing and very doubtful.

for me, transubstantiation has been the simpliest catholic teaching, it doesn't involve mental gymnastics or equations and logic. It is extremely simple.

The gospel of matthew, mark, luke and the epistle to the corithians all record that at the last supper Jesus took bread, gave it to the apostles and said "This is my body", he didn't say "dis looks like my body", he didn't say it is a symbol of my body... He clearly say "this is my body" the very same body that is given up for you.
It continues, it says he also took the chalice, gave thanks and told everyone, "this is my blood", he didn't say diis looks like my blood or dis is a symbol of my blood no! He clearly said "this is my blood the very blood that seals the new covenant (that is d only time Jesus used the word covenant thru out the gospels), the blood that is shed for u and for many, the blood that forgives sins".

This is a very simple case, do you believe in Jesus or not? Because Jesus was pretty clear about it. While d apostle saw/ate what look like bread and what look like wine, Jesus told them that what they were eating and drinking were his body and blood. The simple question is do you believe what Jesus said?

He didn't stop there, he also said "do this in remembrance of me", the word used for remembrance in that passage is "anamesis", thru out scripture the word has a sacrificial character, it is actually interpreted as "make it present". In the same way that every year the isrealite made present the passover meal. They tie their waist with a cord, dress as if they want to travel, kill a lamb...etc, exactly as it was in the real passover in egypt. That means do exactly as i have done...the priest aren't just relating some past event, they are doing "anamesis", they are making it present, they use d same form the same matter and the same words, that is what "do this is anamesis of me" means. No wonder st paul says whenever we celebrate it we are proclaiming the lord's death.

Let me stop here

As i said earlier, for me this is a simple question of faith. Do i believe what Jesus said? Do you believe what Jesus said? Do you believe him when he says the bread is his body and the wine is his blood?

If you don't believe him then i suggest you start thinkin what that means.

Rich4god:
I dont understand what you mean by "the church doesnt have a divorce process"...

exactly what i said, the church doesn't believe in divorce, so she doesn't have a divorce process.

Also, stating from your eg... If a man maltreats his wife and she ran away for her own safety. Lets say the man out of his waywardness goes ahead and invite marries another woman without divorcing the first wife... Shouldnt the church at least grant the woman access to comunion since the fault isnt coming from her... This is the type of exception that am talking about... When one of the partner becomes the victim of a broken marriage...

actually, if you are divorced you can recieve communion....

THe problem is "remarriage". If your first marriage is valid then you can't be remarried.

ty444:
whats the diffrence between a mediator and an interceder,and how can an offspring of adam who was born in sin be qualified enough to intercede?

moses, aaron, jeremiah, noah, and countless other were all offspring of adam and they all interceeded before God at one point or the other. Been a child of adam doesn't prevent me from interceeding.

OLAADEGBU:
Did Mary believe God for her salvation? The fact that Mary believed God for her salvation and that she also went for purification should tell you that your church tradition that says she was born without sin is faulty.

This is what Jesus said of such practise:

"Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition..." (Mark 7:13).

Apostle Paul said this:

"For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ" (2 Cor 2:17).

You should listen to Apostle Peter who said:

"...We ought to obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29).

i asked you a simple question.


You said mary was saved before the birth of Christ, so why then did she go for purification?

Stop beating about the bush

GreatFatherson:
If you want to hate, you will always be able to find the reason to justify the hatred.

Why our dear country is still struggling is because of mental laziness on the part of most Nigerians. The article is well written and very clear but because of tribal prejudices and political desperation we refuse to see what is staring us right in our faces. People should go back and read that article carefully and benefit from it.

Now here are the key points:

This is private project with no financing from government.

It is driven by Dr David Ladipo (an incredibly brilliant Yoruba man in diaspora), and Sundeep Bahanda. These are the guys that truly truly deserve praises and encomiums for the vision, foresight and tenacity in making this project happen. This is deal-making at its best.

The Comrade Governor Adams Oshiomole deserve praise because his government provided the land and cooperation of the host communities and got minority equity in the project. He must also be commended for setting up the PPP Office which is 'a project incubator and business accelerator in Edo State'

The President deserves praise because it is his Power Sector Reform and aggressive expansion of gas pipeline network in the country that made this project possible.

There are 5 Co-developers and Equity Sponsors including our own indigenous ARM. Kudos to Deji Alli, OFR.

There are also 5 Debt Arrangers including IFC, Rand Merchant Bank and our own FCMB. Kudos to Ladi Balogun.

Total cost including gas infrastructure $1b.

Smart Yoruba men are keying into the policies of this so-called clueless president and getting richer by the minute while some clowns in the slums of Mushin or washing plates in a run down restaurant somewhere in UK or USA come to our beloved Nairaland and be spewing grammatically atrocious nonsense.

Christ said " the poor will always be among you". I concur and add " fools will always be among us".

i'll agree with the acolades you have just given, my point in the previous post was that the project isn't a federal one and so the private sector should actually be thanked. You are right though that the blue print they are workin on is the power reform of the fg.

OLAADEGBU:
If you spend more time studying your Bible instead of your church tradition you would have come to the same conclusion.

"Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me" (Hebrew 10:5).

Show me where the Bible says Mary's egg was involved.

the verse you quoted doesn't say mary's egg wasn't involved. The bible also says we are all wonderfully made does that mean our parent played no part?

Since you ask for a passae here it is.
this one is simple.
Lk 1:31

and behold thou shalt concieved in thy womb and bring forth a son, and shalt call call him Jesus.

The bible clearly say she "concieved" it didn't say a baby was placed in her womb, it says she concieved him, you can go and check up the meaning of concieve.

OLAADEGBU:
"And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn" (Luke 2:7)

Why firstborn and not only son?

anyone that opens the womb is called firstborn, whether or not there were others.

Hidentity,

I pray that Christ may be glorified in you this day and every day of your life, people will see you and give glory to God for his wonders on your life. May God direct your heart, free your soul from the burden of unneccesary anxiety, may he preserve your life in abundance and set your heart on true freedom, may he direct your days and cause you to be confident over your adversaries. May he give you consolation in the hour of dryness, comfort when you are down, peace when others are shaken and joy to complete your life, may he accept your offering, save you from the weight of sin. May God, this day build for you a new begining so that the past will seem as of no account, may he hear your voice when you call, raise you when you are bowed down, run to pick you up when you fall and spur you on when you are dull, may heavens choicest gift be your as our mama maria continues to interceed for us and all best wishes follow you. He will crown his blessing upon you with spiritual might and perseverance so that today, tomorrow and every day of your life all thanks, honor, glory, praise, power, majesty, dominion may be to the thrice blessed and holy God, our own heritage, through his son Jesus Christ.


Amen, amen amen.

Interesting...

I have a feeling this will be short lived.

new2020:
Tell them my brother, typical APC, yoruba propaganda. They will never give Federal government credit due to them. Same with Ebola success, they are all crying Fashola, Fashola, this and that. Listen, Fashola did nothing...wasn't it the same Fashola that refused the magic Nano Silver that saved lives? Come on people! The Federal Government under a very active minister of health championed this ebola cause and deserves commendation. Same with this project, federal government should be commended.

actually, fg didn't release money for ebola until after he scare was over, they don't deserve praise for that.
Secondly this project isn't funded by fg so i see no reason why they should be praised for this.

wiegraf:
Bros, ignoring other stuff, that is double speak

ignoring what stuff?