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honeric01: Neither did i say scriptures said he told her mother to wait outside, what any sensible person can deduct from this passage should be that His earthly mother was not even one of his followers.





My point is that Mary was not given any "post" by Jesus, given any preferential treatment, nor was she even acknowledged as her mother because a God can't have a mother. he didn't disrespect her but openly and in many cases rebuked her when she wanted to play the "mother" card on him.

Lastly, pointing to his disciples as his mother and brothers with his earthly mom and brothers excluded shows that they were mostly not connected to him spiritually nor even connected to his vision.

He was preaching inside with his disciples and his half-brothers and mother were outside? the message is very clear.

Infact, they even wanted him to stop preaching and come see them outside, another message, can you see these messages?

Lastly, Jesus never called Mary his mother, incase i am wrong, kindly show me in the scriptures where he did.

SalC: This sounds more like a fairy tale than a historical fact.
Op since you said constantine converted to christianity and then originated the Catholic church who converted him? And how did he convert? And provide a historic evidence to prove the catholic church originated when you stated.

texanomaly: Wow...where do I start? First, I don't believe Christ and God are the same person.

Second, I believe EVERYONE is a literal spirit child of God (Heavenly Father) not adopted. I don't believe in the concept of only Heaven or Hell. I believe in levels (kingdoms).

To be honest I haven't attended any church in almost a year. There are teachings from my religion of birth I still believe. I am having some trouble with the entire package though. I haven't found any church I completely agree with.

It is easy to believe in religious relativism. Any kind of relativism if one thinks about it. It basically relieves one of any responsibility. Any action or belief is acceptable. Does this make one tolerant or just lazy and indecisive? It certainly helps with my belief that almost all churches have some truth.

It is a concept that helps anyone argue their case more easily doesn't it? On the one hand it lets anyone "off the hook" no matter what they believe. On the other hand it is a bit of an oxymoron. Can everyone be right? I guess relatively they can.

So in the end, am I a true Christian in everyone's eyes? Am I a true Christian in anyone's eyes? Lately I'm not much of a Christian in my own eyes.

Will we be judged on how we live or what we purport to believe? If it is the latter, many of us are in big trouble.


Lol...I kind of went off point, but if I'm honest, I just don't care enough about what others think of me or what I believe to put any real effort into a religious debate. I guess that makes me arrogant. If someone wants to know my opinion, I don't mind telling them. If they don't, that's ok too.

striktlymi: It depends on your definition of the word 'truth'.

honeric01: Yes they did, by telling her to wait outside while Jesus was preaching to the multitude.

Remember the phrase "Who' s my mother, brethren "?

Remember what brought about that phrase?

Matthew 12:46 While He was still speaking to the multitudes, behold,
His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to
Him. 47 And someone said to Him, "Behold, Your mother and Your
brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You." 48 But He
answered the one who was telling Him and said, "Who is My mother
and who are My brothers?" 49 And stretching out His hand toward His disciples, He said, "Behold, My mother and My brothers! 50 "For
whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother."..

mmsen: Foolish or absurd, unfounded.

Religious "faith" is based on the absence of reason - by nature is it nonsensical.

striktlymi: I understand your viewpoint and can relate with it but the killing of twins by our forefathers can be excused. Morality, from the human standpoint is very relative. What may be good in one society may be frowned at as evil in another.

What we perceive as good or bad, to a very large extent, is dependent on our experiences in life. White and black are what they are today because of experience. If back in the day, "white" was called "black" and vise versa, Europeans would have been called black men today while Africans called white.

In same vein, a child brought up to believe that right-doing is ensuring that twins are killed in order to protect the sanctity of the community without knowing any better, the child would grow up to believe that good morals entails killing of twins.

The child's actions, though wrong by our standards, by no means suggest that the child is amoral; and he or she cannot be held culpable for any wrong-doing.

striktlymi: It depends!

For Catholics it may be amoral but for the every day non-catholics (Christians or not) I don't believe it is against morals.

Looking at it critically, the 'logical' man can't help but agree with relativism. Which is the absolute truth here:

* A glass cup filled to its mid-section with water and both of us weren't there when the water was poured.

1) I see it as half full.
2) You see it as half empty.

Syncan: In my opinion, I do not think it will be moral to do so in its strict sense. Imagine the morality behind excusing killing of twins because its ok in a particular culture, what could justify burying someone alive with the corpse of dead kings just because its relatively fine with a people?

At some point the relativist cannot satisfy his conscience without creating an absolute ground. What is fundamental human right if such rights are relative? Even the mere talk of moral, brings in some absoluteness, for a chief pillar for morals lies in the "golden rule", and this is absolute. So for a relativist to stick a claim on morality, he has to at some point abandon his position, else he will be endorsing quite a number of things that offends charity and morals.

Freelancer00: Then u can also Google for more about sharia law. Don't come and talk about what u don't know about here and be feeling like someone that knows everything

PastorKun: Was it also in 33AD that Mary worship began?

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mmsen: Are you asking for a list of nonsensical dogma?

macof: I don't get this

Why do Christians somehow rift themselves into
Those that claim
And those that are

A Christian is a Christian, once you believe the doctrines of the Bible, especially the New testament
The only cause for division here is belonging to different denominations/churches

TheBigUrban2: IRONY= Jesus was killed for being arrogant. He was killed for calling himself the messiah.

rationalmind: Has anybody noticed Ubenedictus is one of the most intelligent christians on nairaland? Probably more intelligent than Anony.

Kudos bro, I always enjoy reading your posts even if I don't agree with all.

texanomaly: Ok. You asked so let's define arrogant...

...having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.

Now, if we go by your description of Christians above, I have to answer no. Christians are not arrogant. Christians don't believe they, themselves possess any power. They believe the power lies in Christ.

Let's look at a few synonyms: haughty, conceited, self-important, egotistic, full of oneself, superior;

Do any of these words describe Jesus Christ of the Christian Bible? Do they describe what a Christian is supposed to be?

Next let's tackle this question:




Now this is an interesting question. Who do you mean by "them"? The Christian faith, or those who claim to follow it? How you answer can significantly change my answer here and possibly above.

I'm pacing myself here. More to come.

TheBigUrban2: Christians and muslims are certain about things they cant possibly prove-
-that there is an afterlife; either heaven or hell
-that there is some God sitting in heaven

There is arrogance/intolerance that is common to everyone......and there is arrogance/intolerance that comes specially from the exclusivity from religion

mmsen: You're right, Catholics and Protestants are equally misguided.

TheBigUrban2: Ask Pastor AIO and Texanomaly about their christian views.


The typical british christian is a liberal one.


But you are a typical Nigerian christian....meaning that you are a conservative bigot. Sorry

OLAADEGBU: Why didn't he start from the life of the disciples of Jesus Christ? The RCC that only started in 300 AD which does not fit in with the early Christian life.

Olusanya333: Our word"baptize" is translated from the original Greek word"baptizo", which means to immerse."Baptizo" does not mean sprinkle or pour.

Kamsified: you've missed o oga Uben
Hope you've bn fine

tandj: Even inside the various religions, we still have "us vs them" everywhere.

A sunni moslem will say shiite don't know what they r doing.
A catholic will reject protestants outright while saturday worshippers will say those worshiping on sunday r fake.


Religion, I sigh.
Each to his own sha.

mmsen: All religions help to foster an "us" vs "them" mentality.

If you are not part of the in group then you are destined for some unknown, horrible place in the afterlife...

MizMyColi: Those who have this "relationship" in a typical christian sense are the worst perpetrators of Intolerance, Arrogance, Superciliousness, (sic) self and performance based righteousness. I used to have that "relationship" too