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striktlymi: What exactly made the betrayal of Peter any better than that of Judas? If Peter can be 'excused', why not Judas?

peter repented and moved on. Judas decided that he is a failed creature and decided to kill himself as though he created himself.

striktlymi: Your opinion! Your right!!

The Truth! I'm Right!

alexleo: Lies upon lies.

and you possess so much truth that you couldn't even make an argument for it.


It is lies because you say so right?

Alishachris: As a lay faithful, our bulletin of today asked us to pray for the jews in their struggles, that they should remain steadfast to the promise! This didn't sound right to me at all! so I want to ask, is the catholic church supporting the jews against gaza

the catholic church has always had a prayer for the jews in some liturgy. I think if you read the prayer well it is actually a prayer for their conversion, it has nothing to do with the war.


I think since world war ii (inclusive), the catholic church has maintained a war neutral status in conflicts, we pray for peace in wars, we don't support one side.

Someone was said sadaam was only cruel to the violent islamic minorities and he ensured that the religious minorities practiced their religion without much interference, but the US came with is claim of weapons of mass distruction all in an effort to control oil trade.

Now here come isis and sadaam looks like a saint.

striktlymi: The 3 of them are just here to settle their grievance over some bottles of beer. I am not sure what their quarrel is about.

i will like to quarel wen you are around, i'm pretty sure you'll make it beer and meat.

chukwudi44: how una de mai people.

oga chukwudi hw you dey?

damerry: Blessed be God.
Blessed be Mary most holy
Blessed be God in the life of his saints

Thanks brethern for your prayers, my "bacca bacca" score was more than enough for my course. I scored 220 while d cut-off is pegged @ 180.

Please continue to pray for me that my space/position in the up-coming admission list will not be stolen or gambled or sold out.

I greet you all.

it has been officially confirmed, boy-girl damerry has a big bacca.


Congrats!

Kizmarty: practically, Ebola took over today's homily...


e kun turn lecture hall and our parish priest still
gonna be given more lectures next week as he
promised..


surprising of all, no more holy water stands,no
more shaking hands during sign of peace..
priest nd mass servers now using sanitizers in
the altar before nd after Holy Eucharist ...


how was d mass in your various parishes

glory to Jesus....

we still use holy water in the east, we still shake hands, the sign of peace is optional anyway.

But the use of sanitizers before and after the eucharist...that is just interesting.

Todays reading were beautiful, sorry you didn't hear a sermon.

This almost sound excessive.
It seem imposible for me to imagine using a purificator to administer the eucharist, why not just say priests should wear gloves wen distributing the eucharist?

Communion in the hand may solve the problem but i guess it also opens the door for other questions.


The bishop shows he care for his people, i understand his points but the priest must still use the oil of the infirm on the sick. While the priest excercise descretion, i think he is hardly fully protected.

Weytin happen?

U even make their own thread for them.

striktlymi: Those actually are your thoughts. I am not responsible for the implications you choose to draw from my comments.

True!! Unless ofcourse your comments lend themselves to be interpreted that way.

It is true though that you seem to avoid saying Jesus came as a Jew.

I have not presumed you guys know the point I am making. Why should I presume to understand the point she tried to make?

if you know the point she is making then what is the use picking out her terms.

striktlymi: Saying the Bible is a Catholic book in the way you guys are using it does not make much sense. If you guys are looking for books to claim then by all means take ownership of books that are solely Catholic. I do not see any protestant quoting from 'Canon law' or other books of the Church.

the bible is a catholic book exactly like canon law and the vatican ii documents!

We are not looking for books to claim, you can't steal what is already yours. The bible is a catholic book.

striktlymi: I do not agree with the bold particularly. If all avenues for sin recognition have been granted to everyone then there will be no room for ignorance. The fact that God puts the ignorance of people into consideration demonstrates that not all had/have the grace to know that some things are sinful.

it is called divine mercy for a reason.

So you say!



That's your understanding.



So many negative things were said about other characters in Sacred scriptures. Pharaoh readily comes to mind but that is no guarantee that those characters are already in Hell.

i don't think the description of pharaoh will rival that of judas.

The fact that one can argue both ways is enough evidence to show that we are all unsure of the fate of Judas.

the point isn't about how one can argue both ways, it is about no matter how one argue the same conclusion seem apparent. If Judas is excused for killing himself, he wouldn't be excused from his betrayal.

SalC: Reserve this style for Uben biko

my hand no dey dia oh! You are on your own!

SalC: Imana Uben na- asu igbo

speaking igbo is a skill am still developing.

frosbel: You miss road , is this how you will respond to new converts or true seekers ? SMH.

Answer the question and stop dodging, when did he come for his disciples , if you cant answer remain silent.

he came at the moment to their death.

maputohq: The sh¡t is too long to read. Nigeria operates the kind of English legal system. The argument my lecturer laid was that The English law was gotten from the church. We borrowed that system. The constitution only provides for Islamic law for the sake of the Muslim population. I wonder why there should be an argument if not that our political leaders are dull an clueless. Please see section 10 of the constitution.

The is no need for any Christian courts.

sorry, the english legal system is a civil law not a religious law. Sharia is a religious law! Christians are asking that the playing field be levelled, there should be, sharia law, ecclesiatical law, traditional law and civil law, or else we better stick with the civil law and leave sharia.

SalC: Inye Nsogbu, na ihe ndi ozo gasi.

give the dog a bad name and hang it.

God no gree

striktlymi: I try to ignore comments that make very little meaning to me but yours takes d height. Does the above make any sense to you? "Quoting our Catholic Bible"

i think that is actually the topic,
"the bible is a catholic book". So they are quoting the bible a catholic book.

striktlymi: Let me see how best I can explain this. Think of an individual who dictates his words to a secretary and the sceretary writes same in a book. Do we say the words are less his because they were written down? Or do we dissociate the written words from the words vocalized?

Sacred scriptures is what it is because of its contents and the author of the contents. Without the 'author' (God) and the contents (His word), it would be just another book. God's word is active and alive irrespective of whether it is put down in writing, vocalized or takes human form.

Just like you rightly pointed out, the word became flesh and dwelth amongst us through the Power of the Holy Spirit. We don't know how God transformed his word to take on flesh but it happened and we believe because his words are forever TRUE. This fact did not make his word any less potent just like it does not lose its potency when it is put down in writing.

are you sure you aren't confusing his substantial Word a person, with his revelation/command?

JesusisLord85: Sharrap there.

The Law and the prophets is scripture, it is the word of God, that brings light.

Paul's writings are writings. The apocrypha is also scripture, why some banned it later is beyond me.

Catholicism/christianity is the religion of the devil.

Keep the law and commandments. That is the duty of mankind.

Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man

Shalom

would you like to explain the bolded?

Peace.

striktlymi: I don't think I have argued that Jesus did not come through the instrumentality of the Jewish people. Matter of factly, as I have mentioned before, the Jews were chosen specially and used as a point of contact to reaching out to the entire world. This by no means makes Jesus 'theirs'. Jesus is for ALL...both believers and unbelievers.

you are still trying to avoid saying Jesus came to earth as a jew! I think it sounds like the defense for nestorianism, (they refused to call mary mother of God because -they said-Jesus pre-existed). His preexistence doesn't stop him from been a jew, or having a jewish mother.

Now to the item in bold: I am not sure what you tried to explain there but I don't think it would be appropriate to separate the existence of the Person of Jesus to both a spiritual existence and a material one. The person of Jesus has always existed. There was no time his existence took a break from 'spiritual' to 'material' (if this is what you mean).

The person of Jesus has always been the second person in the most Blessed Trinity. The fact that he took flesh did nothing to His person. No time did he stop being the Word, even after taken flesh. Yes, then we could feel him physically but he has always retained his divinity.

i think you know her point was talkin about the person of Jesus as God (before the incarnation) and as God and man (after the incarnation).

MOBJECTIVE: No, no it isn't. We (catholics) apparently understand that sentence VERY differently from how you seem to. I am deeply disturbed that it seems you actually believe the bible to be Jesus.
Where did Jesus ever teach this? Where did the apostles ever teach this? Can you say aloud while holding a bible ;"This bible in my hand is Jesus," and LISTEN to yourself. Can you pray to your bible? Talk about idolatory...

maybe he means something different, i don't yet get the cruz of the matter but i believe he means different.

SalC: Can you also put the bold the other way round by saying, "The Bible is the author of creation, yes it is Jesus"?
#Just curious

hmmm

MOBJECTIVE: I wasn't going to join in, in this thread, simply to avoid proselytizing but I became very intrigued with striktlymi's understanding of the bible. It seems as if you (striktlymi) understand the bible to be Jesus, could you explain why? Because I doubt Martin Luther would support this view since he was the one who removed books from the bible, which, if i view the bible as you do, would amount to amputating Jesus in some divine manner.

this is funny!

Amputation ke?

striktlymi: Your chants are just like saying...

The Church is not Christ!!!

The Church is not Christ!!!

The Church is not Christ!!!

Of course the Bible will not be Christ if you see it as just another book...
It will not be Christ if you see it as a collection of papers with ink on them...
Just like the Church will not be Christ if we look at it as a mere building where Christians go to worship God.

Sacred scriptures go beyond just being a collection of books written by men through the inspiration of the Spirit. Sacred scriptures contains God's word which is both Alive and Active. God's word is the author of creation and yes, it is Jesus.

this just became very interesting.


So Jesus is the bible and the bible is Jesus.


Now i don't even know what to say!

PastorAIO: The Bible and the Christians, who existed first.




Did Sacred scriptures pre-exist the human race? Was it there with God from the Beginning?

and more sematics

striktlymi: Who is God's word? The person of Jesus or the Man Jesus?

#The Bible is not a Catholic book.

right now the Word is the God-man Jesus.

More and more sematics.

SalC: Ummm for all I know, the question of Jesus and Jews who existed first can not have a yes or no answer without the context of the word "existence" clearly defined.

Does Jesus exist before the Jews? Yes!

Does the man Jesus exist before the Jews? No

Therefore Jesus pre-existed the Jews while the Jews pre-existed the man Jesus.
Again does any man knew Jesus before his human existence? No. So at the point in which we know Jesus was at the point of his Physical existence and at that point, He is a Jew.
Therefore one cannot give a yes or no answer here without falling into the error of a hasty conclusion.

In thesame line, I can say the Bible is a Catholic book yet the scriptures are not all Catholic books.

as i said earlier, the question is a big door to sematics.

striktlymi: Actually, you are the one 'side stepping'. The crux of the argument was on who 'owns' the Bible; but you seem to have moved from that to who the New testament was addressed to.

if i read correctly the argument is actually around the topic "the bible is a catholic book", a topic which you disagree with.

Even at that, it would not be entirely correct to say that the New testament was addressed to the Church in the manner in which you may mean it.

The core message of the New testament is the Gospel which is the message of hope. Christ died so that we may have life and rose from the dead in fulfillment of Sacred scriptures.

It is in propagating this message of hope to the entire world that pockets of the Church were set up here and there, notably by Paul. A section of those who came to believe the Gospel and as a result became Christians were not part of the 'known' Church before their conversion.

If the New testament was addressed to the Church in the way I think you mean then the message will not be applicable to the Gentiles. This is not correct. The core message of the New testament was addressed first to the Jews then the rest of the world.

please explain how is it that addressing the new testament to the chuch makes it inapplicable to the gentiles.



And still on the topic, if a A&B coporation (group of people) wrote a book, compiled it and transmitted it-even if it is labeled "for yhe benefit of all humanity", the book is clearly A and B cooperation book.

If it looks like a duck, it quacks like a duck, it behaves like a duck and walk like a duck then it is a duck.


The bible is still a catholic book cos it was written by the founders of the church, compiled by her bishops, transmitted by her. I don't see how you can get around that by argueing that because it about all of humanity is isn't catholic.

FOLYKAZE: Guy na Ubenedictus you dey stress for here?

The guys is a cunny and not honest at all.

i could say the very same thing about you.

On the issue of Yahweh being the God of the hills/mountains, I have presented lot of evidences but he seem to be blind from it.

you mean as you were blind to the fact that yahweh is also God of all living things, God of thunder and wind and God of all creation?

Even from wikipedia, he tried to pick only what he wants to see. I kept wondering if 'Almighty' which is stated as a 'conventional attribute' to Shaddai could cloud someone like him. Even I tried to relay strenght to hard surface of Rocks. . . .but no, his mind is closed and wouldnt like to admit the fact.

actually you decided to pick one and throw away others, the first explanation wiki gave of el shaddia is from the semitic, it means "distroyer", they went further and traced the root of the word, they said it comes from sadad, meaning mighty or strong and that the ai is honorific.
They then traced the word el shadia from the arabic word "shadu" meaning hill, then they traced it to mean fertility.


All in all, wiki provides 3 distinct and probable explanations for shaddia, you picked the arabic one and said it means mountian, i picked the semitic one, cos the old testament is a semitic book and said the mighty one is the correct meaning.


So explain how i picked only what i wanted to see and you didn't?

He can keep denying the glaring facts, Yahweh is Orisha Oke and Ubenedictus is an Aborisha.

actually i am hardly denying anything, instead i am affirming that yahweh is God of all, both mountain, wind and thunder and living things and the whole earth.