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 Christianity Etc › Protestanisms Greatest Heresy. by Ubenedictus(op): 12:09am On Sep 17, 2014 |
This Friday, 15 August, the calendars of Lutherans, Anglicans, and perhaps some other liturgically minded Protestants calls for the celebration of ‘St. Mary – Mother of our Lord’. On this same day, Roman Catholics will celebrate the ‘Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary’ and the Orthodox the ‘Dormition of the Theotokos’. Unfortunately, this feast does not fall on a Sunday, which means most Protestants will hear nothing of it this year. They will not meditate on the readings, the hymns, or the propers assigned for this day. I highly doubt many Lutheran parishes will even reference it in the Prayers of the Church on Sunday morning. And this is sad. For those who believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, it’s tragic, as venerating Mary does nothing but point people to her Son. Yet it’s hardly surprising. In fact, I think it’s emblematic of Protestantism’s greatest heresy – ignoring the role that the Blessed Virgin Mary plays in our faith. I know this is a strong statement. It’s a stinging indictment of the movement to which I belong and a church body of which I am a pastor. But as much as I wish it weren’t true, I’m afraid it is. We Protestants say we hold the Blessed Mother in high esteem. Our calendars even have a few days set aside during the year to honor her. But this is nothing short of window dressing, as the Blessed Virgin Mary has little to do with the faith we confess. And this must change. We Protestants have to do better. To ignore the Blessed Virgin is to ignore her Son, something no follower of the Christ should ever desire to do. For starters, I’ve always found it ironic that we who proclaim ‘Sola Scriptura’ seem to ignore the Scriptures when Mary tells us in her Magnificat: “from now on all generations will call me blessed.” But we do – that is, we Protestants almost always ignore this commendation, thereby betraying our own hermeneutic. Rather, we lump her together with the other saints of the New Testament. But the Blessed Mother is nothing of the sort. She is no ordinary saint. She is the saint of saints. She is the Theotokos – the Mother of God, a title given her at the Council of Ephesus in 431 and echoed in the Lutheran Book of Concord. The Blessed Mother is the example that all Christians should emulate. Her “Yes” to the angel Gabriel is an act of faith that sets the standard for all of the Church to follow. And yet when was the last time you heard a sermon, sat through a Bible Class, or read a Protestant theologian commend the Blessed Virgin Mary as such? Protestants are quick to criticize Rome for declaring as dogma of the Church the Immaculate Conception in 1854 and the Bodily Assumption in 1950. “These things are nowhere in the Scriptures!” Protestants lament. I say, who cares? Is it that offensive to suggest that the God-Bearer was wiped clean of original sin in a single act of grace by the One whom she would bring into the world? Does is not make sense that the New Eve would be a spotless ark for her Son, the Messiah? The Immaculate Conception isn’t about Mary, it’s about Jesus, and to speak of His Mother as sinless (as Luther and other Reformers did) is a most salutary thing to do, especially considering that she remained a virgin throughout her earthly life (a universally accepted belief even among the most radical of Protestant reformers and a teaching taught in the Lutheran Confessions). And her Bodily Assumption? I guess the examples of Enoch and Elijah mean nothing? Again, what is so theologically offensive about this teaching that is deeply rooted in the Church’s tradition? Do we Lutherans, as the Apology of the Augsburg Confessions teaches, no longer believe that this woman prays for the Church? To ignore the Blessed Virgin Mary makes no sense. Without her our Christology is shot. Without her our hermeneutics are insignificant. Without her our understanding of sin and grace is incomplete. Without her we cannot call ourselves part of the Body of Christ. This woman is our Mother, commended to the Church by our Lord Himself. And to ignore her is something no Christian should ever do. Ave Maria, gratia plena, Dominus tecum! 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by Ubenedictus(m): 11:32pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: This is one of the points where your church tradition goes against the Scriptures. Let me refer you to an excerpt from the OP:actually that isn't church tradition. That is simple greek, the word used the is "heo hous" is doesn't mean that anything happened after. If you "bible school" pastor studied a little greek he would have known that much. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Do Catholics Contravene The 2nd Commandment Of Idolatry In Exodus 20:4 by Ubenedictus(m): 11:28pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
clem305D: Hi folks, am a catholic from a staunch catholic background. I have been troubled over this issue for some time now and need some peer reviewed opinion on it. In Exodus 20:4 it states "You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sins of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments". Now in the catholic church we have various associations such as; Legion of Mary, Holy infant Jesus, Block Rosary... among many others. Most of these associations have images they use in veneration and worship.in the same scriptures God also tell them to make an image of a cherubim, is that also idolatry? 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "What Does The Bible Say About The Virgin Mary?" by Ubenedictus(m): 11:19pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: "My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Saviour, for He has been mindful of the humble state of His servant. From now on all generations will call me blessed, for the Mighty One has done great things for me — holy is His name" (Luke 1:46-49).let me get this straight. So you believe that mary was saved even before the death of Christ? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by Ubenedictus(m): 11:08pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
logicboy01: Lmao...go and sleepnot feeling sleepy. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by Ubenedictus(m): 11:08pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
logicboy01: U.S constitution supports a secular country. God is not neccessaryit supports a secular country didn't prevent it from mentioning God a few time... If atheist can live under a constitution that acknowledges God then i have a feeling the issue of oath it just political correctedness. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by Ubenedictus(op): 10:50pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
These may seem a bit much, just take them one at a time. Galatians 4:4-7 - But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. this seem to say the Christ was born that we might recieve adoption as sons.... Do we recieve what we already have? Why are we adopted if we are already natural sons? What do you think? Romans 8:14-19 - For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Galatians 3:26 - For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. Romans 8:15 - For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. the first passage seems to say that it is those who have the holyspirit who are God's children not necessarily everyone, the 2nd one seems to say the son status doesn't come naturally but by faith, and the 3rd again say this sonship recieved by faith is an adopted sonship...or so i think, what do u think? John 1:12 - But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: so i think my question is are we just natural son or do we receive sonship by faith in christ Jesus? Ok i'll allow you address these before i add more. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by Ubenedictus(op): 10:20pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
texanomaly: There is no need for adoption. We are the literal spirit children of God. He is our father. Jesus is our brother.how do you interprete this passage? Ephesians 1:5 - Having predestinated us unto the adoption of sons (children) by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, the seems to say that it is through Jesus Christ that we become Children of God and that the status is by adoption. What do you think? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Catholics by Ubenedictus(m): 9:55pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
Damerry congrats, i thought your sole interest was in shaking your "baca", wow, i thank God and rejoice with you. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by Ubenedictus(op): 6:40pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
texanomaly: Ummm...I'm feeling a little intimidated.nah... Don't be... This isn't a preaching thread, i won't attempt to convince you. I'll simply ask questions. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Ayo Oritsejafor Linked To S.african Arms Smuggling by Ubenedictus(m): 6:38pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
Source pls |
| Christianity Etc › Re: CONFESSION Of Sin Is "Wrong" According To GRACE by Ubenedictus(m): 6:37pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
Hehehe.... Watching |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Oritsejafor Linked To Arms Smuggling Jet Caught With $10million In SA by Ubenedictus(m): 6:35pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
Another source pls! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Ayo Oritsejaror Privave Jet Caught With 10 Million Dollars To Buy Arms by Ubenedictus(m): 6:30pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
Source pls |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by Ubenedictus(m): 6:25pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
logicboy01: In short, you have argued that the military is still under the constitution. Imbeci.leyou realise that an alternate arguement can be made, that the oath isn't promoting any religion but is totally inline with the us constitution which seem to acknowlegde "God"? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by Ubenedictus(m): 6:18pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
logicboy01: See the liar?i still can't see where i lied.... You are very quick to scream liar and penned down your "facts" but unfortunately none of these prove i lied. I said the last time atheist "took over" governance we had communism, then you give me examples of government where just one person is an atheist. And you can checked again on atheistic communism. Have a nice day. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: I Can't Do It Alone. by Ubenedictus(m): 6:14pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
Vig86: Thanks for your support. I really appreciate.you're most welcome |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by Ubenedictus(op): 6:11pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
texanomaly: Yesok.... Then you'll agree that in certain people and at certain time, christian doctrines and teachings may fuel intolerance and arrogance? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by Ubenedictus(op): 6:09pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
texanomaly: There is no need for adoption. We are the literal spirit children of God. He is our father. Jesus is our brother.i'll address this later. You are right. I am still working some things out for myself. I guess my sarcasm may have gone a bit too far there. To be honest I was a somewhat frustrated. I am not in the habit of using the "F" word. Sorry.then i guess i use the "F" word more frequently compared to you, i have little problems with the "f" word unless when used in insult. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by Ubenedictus(op): 6:05pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
texanomaly: This is probably a good place to mention that I don't completely agree that the Bible is translated correctly. It is also apparent, to me, that Man tends to translate it the way he sees fit. No one religion believes the same as any other. Even among Christians.i donot know any christian who accepts all translations equally. The bible is not always translated correctly. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by Ubenedictus(op): 5:56pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
macof: That is because religious doctrines are only ideas nothing Divinenot exactly true. I have seen 10 different people discribe the same experience in 10 different ways. Infact if a big angel were to appear in the sky with the banner "there is God", i'll expect that by the next week the number of different religion would simply iincrease by exponential 100. Everybody will see the same thing differently. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Does Christainity Encourage Intolerance And Arrogance? by Ubenedictus(op): 5:51pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: Calling a bigot a bigot is not an insult.i know you want to. So you are free to "prove my bigotry". Expecting an interesting post. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by Ubenedictus(m): 5:39pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
logicboy01: not only is the bold part irrelevant but it is also false. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: I Can't Do It Alone. by Ubenedictus(m): 5:39pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
Vig86: Thanks a lot. I am ready to join the catholic group on nairaland. U just solved part of my problem. People say that I am good but I am not good to myself.you are most welcome.... If you can talk to God then you may be ready to hear from him... Take up the epistles of paul and the gospels. Do not read them, eat them... Pick up just one sentence meditate on it (or simply try to understand its meaning), cram the sentence. repeat the sentence to yourself throughout the day. I advise you do this in the morning, later add evenings too. Just keep repeating the words, keep saying it, each time you have a break in the day make sure it is the first thought that come to your mind.... I do not promise immediate results but i think if you can talk to God and eat his word, thing may very well arrange themselves. Have a nice evening. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Must Swear To God -- Or Leave US Air Force by Ubenedictus(m): 5:32pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
logicboy01: not only is the bold part irrelevant but it is also false.that is only true because the so-called secular government are headed by people who profess religion. Do you remember what happen when atheist gained control of governments? Ohhh yeah, i remember... We had atheistic communism. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Does The Translation Process Impact The Inspiration, Inerrancy Of The Bible? by Ubenedictus(m): 5:26pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
Sarassin: I would be happy to oblige if you clarify what you are asking of me.sorry, i mean i'll like you to provide quotes from the church fathers you mentioned to prove your point. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: E-Grace Convention 20-14 by Ubenedictus(m): 5:20pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
BabaGnoni: ^^^i actually read it all before the 1st comment and it didn't help ur case either. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "What Was Early Christianity Like?" by Ubenedictus(m): 5:18pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
honeric01: Lol,. now this is funny! can you just reference what you type?the bible records a few laying of hands for the ministry. I think you can read the laying of hand on st paul in act 13:3 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "What Was Early Christianity Like?" by Ubenedictus(m): 5:00pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
JMAN05: It appears you dont read before you reply. If you do, you will know how ^^^ is funny.i actually read your funny post and i still can't help laughing If you dont know how to read or if you read and do not understand, you ask questions. My earlier response doesnt deserve that kind of question. Because that post answered that question very well. So whats your confusion, you read and dont understand?you response deserves the question, you seem to think that the christian church was corrupted the doctrine after the death of the apostles and christ had already promised that that will never happen, hell will never prevail against the church, every heresy will be condemned, so i ask you, do u believe the words of Christ? Neither do you see God, but you know Him thru his word. We allow God's word of truth to tell us what Peter believed, we dont use contradictory versions of so called fathers to know him. Neither will his belief be so funny that he hands over 'headship' to another person, and leaves Christ-appointed apostle. Such a cock and bull story!that is no cork and bull story, it is not even contradictory, infact, that is a fact known to every christian from 33ad to 1800ad, peter didn't live forever and before his death he appointed linus to the leadership of the church. The bible doesn't contain every thing... The bible doesnt record the death of peter or the death of paul...the christians who lived at that time did and they all agree in the writtings that peter appointed linus to oversee the church. It is unfortunate you seem ignorant of christian history. Maybe you should ask the so called apostolic father Augustine to interprete Matt 16:18 for you.[\quote]i do not have pharasaic traditions, that passage isn't applicable. None of what apostle Paul said by word contradicted what is written. I know human tradition can make that too hard for you to swallow.i agree that what is said by word do not contradict what was written. I'll also say that the "bible" doesn't contain all the sayings of christ and his apostles. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: If A Christian Dies Unbaptize Will The Person Go To Hell ? by Ubenedictus(m): 4:45pm On Sep 16, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: false doctrine spotted. first u dnt baptise an infant.heresy confirmed! The church instituted by Christ has been baptising whole households since the 1st century, there is no discrimination against children, infact scriptures rightly say "this promise is for you and your children". Infants have always been baptised. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Catholic Wisdom Test. Answer This Please by Ubenedictus(m): 12:26am On Sep 14, 2014 |
stanchris4reality: If you see Mother Mary, an angel and a Catholic priest, who will you greet first?i think i'll greet the catholic priest first.... If i'm on earth, i'll certainly be greeting the priest first. 1 Like |
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