The east will be poorer than Cameroon? Are you for real? Please how old are you and level of education?
myobjective: Biafra don't have the resource and knowhow to catapult to anywhere. The east without the oil producing state will be a poorer version of Cameroon.
The far north will suffer without the middle belt because they lack the arable land, educated population, religious tolerance to attract investment and is obviously landlocked.
South south will be the richest nation by far, they will have their 2m barrel oil production to less than 20m people alone. They have reasonable other resource in natural gas, arable land ( Edo, Delta, cross river) and relatively educated workforce.
South west wills developed well and we the omoluabi will be a great country where things will finally work
How did you arrive at the conclusion that he is Igbo? And if at all he is Igbo, why did you inject criminality in the discourse? Are Igbos more criminally minded than your kinsmen?
simpleseyi: Feel sorry for your lazy self and your brothers and in prisons all over the world for drugs trafficking
Since the end of the war, The Northerners and Yoruba - civil war buddies have controlled and monopolized the SS oil resources.
In the 21st century, you are still talking about oil. You are very very ignorant
"The Igbos cannot survive a year if the achieve Biafra"
That's the daftest statement l havr ever had. Why are you worried about Biafra? Allow Igbos to worry about their survival
leke12: Most igbos clamouring for biafra are just too dumb to think deep b4 they act especially when it comes to money. The main reason is their eyes are on Niger delta oil, "imagine that" they want to suppress another nation just for the short term oil goal which will soon be of less importance but I trust all d creek guys, they won't accept. For God sake u can't even develop one state in ur region up to a metropolitan with all d so call 'igbo is bless', "igbo is jews", "igbo is hardworking" and then u want a whole country. Wao! U must be the 'wisest tribe' on earth, my experience in Abia was noting to write home about. U guys are actually living and feeding on other regions. U can't even survive a year if u ever achieve ur biafra, I just pity those igbos wey dey ff dat ur so call biafra leader(d guy get dual citizenship and gbege na to run go ireland.
MoIbrahim: Tou keep saying, "The days of Nigeria are numbered". This means you do not believe in the co-existence. Yet you want to be president, you want everything to be entrusted to you. Okay o.
You think Igbos are the real losers of the Nigeria - Biafra War?
Go educate yourself
orisa37: Every Iboman was involved. Azikwe, Mbakwe Mbadiwe and all the Mbadiweres of Iboland. It's the humiliation of defeat which the Ibos suffered that is making it emotional for them to cooperate with The Yorubas to fix NIGERIA. Buhari is now going Nuclear. They don't know how to face him. They keep bungling, calling all Yorubas Afonjas instead of cooperating with them to keep the Fulanis in check.
Cosbyrich: Igbos are snakes under the green grass .They like repeating bad characters about other tribes and you would be surprised that both their illiterates and literates are in the same bandwagon. Everybody knows that there is no tribe that are the greatest backstabbers and betrayers than the Igbos.
These are verified Igbo betrayals to Yoruba,South,North and the whole Nigeria... Igbos betrayals..
1.Azikiwe betrayed the South to give power to the North.
2.Igbos later backstabbed the North and South by killing their leaders.
3.Aguiyi Ironsi betrayed Nigeria by foisting Unitary System of govt on the populace with decree 34.
4.Igbos betrayed Nigeria by supporting Abacha through the 1millon people march.
5.Igbos betrayed the South by always voting for the North.
6.Igbos betrayed Yorubas by voting for Tofa,another Northerner....
The list goes on...
Let anyone of them list their cooked up Yoruba betrayals and compare.
I really enjoyed your take on Awolowo and the civil war. You are an exception. You're about the first Yoruba that has clinically dissected Awolowo's civil war role. I will love to know you. I am conducting a survey for a political project am doing. I want to interview you and invite you to partake in a panel study. My email is ukoparah@ gmail.com.
Please get in touch.
kayjay69: It is quite sad that threads such as these that ought to help us learn the truth about what happened usually descend into a tribalistic tirade. The truth of the matter is and like it or not, Ojukwu, Banjo and Awolowo, were great men and I can bet you that 99% of the people typing away on this thread may never achieve an inch of what these men achieved in their lifetime. It is very easy to point fingers and criticise, very easy to throw stones.
Ojukwu did what he felt was right for his people and the evidence available suggested perhaps he did not have much of a choice because the Federal Gov of Nigeria kept breaking every agreement reached to ease tensions then. Igbos were being slaughtered in the North in reprisals for the coup (which was purely a military affair). He was the highest ranking military officer from the SE, he had to do something and he did. I salute him for the fact that he took a stand (even though stories would emerge that he caught wind of the fact that oil was already discovered in the SS in commercial quantities, perhaps he wanted to secede because of oil whilst being backed by Russia and France).
Regardless, I salute the man. However, it is also common knowledge that Ojukwu was far from perfect. It is said that he became paranoid at some point during the war. Perhaps this paranoia led to him executing some of his own of which Banjo was among. Kaduna Nzeogwu too and others. It was said that Banjo, Nzeogwu and the rest of the coup plotters were not really loyal to Biafra, they were loyal to their original idea which led to the coup and maybe they were trying to see this idea through. We will never know the truth. Anyone who talks from either side (Banjos or Ojukwus) will only peddle narratives that suit their own purpose.
Personally, I feel Awolowo should not have sided with the Federal Gov of Nigeria. He had the clout and influence. If perhaps he stayed neutral, he could have forced the FGN to restructure the country away from the unitary system of government and we would have either gone our separate ways or made the centre as weak as possible. You may disagree with me but I believe it was at this moment, that we could have had what I think would have put us on the path of real freedom and a means of true self-governance. It was at this moment we could have broken free from british tyranny through their proxies in Northern Nigeria. But the low hanging fruit is always tempting, always (the temptation to become President over all of Nigeria).
Awolowo remains one of my personal heroes for his political philosophy and governance during the old western region but he was far from perfect and I think this moment in time highlights one of his mistakes.
In closing, Nigeria and the Presidency, reminds me of the famed iron thrones from the TV series "Game of Thrones". The ones who has desired it and truly deserved it very rarely get there. Some who get there by chance, are removed. The only ones who get there and remain there are those who are pragmatic enough to do what is needed. Overall, Nigeria is not working and will never work (my view, please respect, don't argue). Either we restructure this country to have a very weak centre or we split it and each go their own separate way. Agree a payout with the ND to help each region stabilise their economies, and let everyone go fend for themselves.
1) banjo was under ojukwu, it wasn't right for him to negotiate with anyone without the consent of ojukwu, he went about negotiating secretly with the Nigerian soldiers behind ojukwu,
2) ojukwu's soldiers and all the commanders under him including the two white German commanders all feared ojukwu none of them will go about raping women looting and changing leaders without ojukwu's consent, what you accuse Biafran soldiers of doing never happened rather it was Nigerian soldiers that did that to every Biafran land they recaptured, the evil killing of innocent people in asaba was carried out by the Nigerian soldiers go and get your facts straight 3) banjo was not a straight forward man, he was very secretive, the same reason he was locked up by the Nigerian authority in the Eastern prison, was the same thing that killed him through the hand of ojukwu, he was in prison for plotting to kill the Nigerian prime minister tafawa balewa, he was executed for plotting against ojukwu , he was destined to die that way It was Obasanjo that locked banjo up in prison for involving in a coup, how can you say banjo was negotiating and begging Obasanjo to allow him pass when he led his Biafran troops to ORE?
4) ojukwu lost the war cause the Biafran soldiers lacked weapons, food, and medical care, and believe it or not banjo played a part that led to ojukwu's downfall by negotiating with the enemy
The evidence invalidates your opinion which by the way is free. How could Ojukwu be self-centered and power-obsessed when he insisted that next senior officer after Ironsi - a Yoruba man by name Ogundipe, not Gowon or Ojukwu - should be the Military Head of State in obedience to military order of succession?
Some folks on this forum are intellectually dimwits and indolent regurgitator of historical falsehoods and half-truths.
You may not like Ojukwu. That's within your fundamental human rights. But don't lie on him.
sarrki: Ojukwu from the history we know and as it stands today was arrogant,self centered and a bigot that was so obsessed with power
ludd2018: Nigeria can never work or be better. Different ideologies and value systems. People inhabiting it hate themselves so how can it get better ? There are many Buharis who ll want to rule Nigeria in future so no hope .Even restructuring will not help as fulanis ll be everywhere.
Ignore the fellow. The war occurred over 50 years ago so we have the benefit of time to judge who was on the side of truth and vice-versa. If any one chooses to ignore the fundamental issues of the Biafra and rather display their ignorance and ethnic bias on social media because of the ubiquity of social media and affordable data access, the best you can do is to allow them to wallow in their vomit.
gidgiddy: Cant you see how laughable what you are saying is? That Northerners had a different reason for killing Igbos in 1945, 1953 and 1966. What if Igbos had retaliated and killed Northerners in in the East in 1945 and 1953? Or you think that retaliation is only for Northerners? They have been killings Igbos for a long time, even to.this day. Even if the January 1966 coup had not happened, they would still found a reason to kill Igbos.
All these killings only hoes to show that "one Nigeria" is a sham
The cause of the civil war was Gowon. It was Gowon that signed and agreement in Aburi to preserve the 4 Regional structure of Nigeria and it was Gowon who announced decree 14 of 1967 where he abolished the 4 Regional structure and created 12 states. This was the beginning of "divide and rule" which the North still uses to dominate Nigeria. Today, the 12 states Gowon created has been further divided to 36 states.
What many people dont realise is that the Regional structure prevented the North from dominating Nigeria, that's why Gowon scrapped it. The only problem for the North was that Igbos were not about to take it lying down.
Gowon caused the war by reneging on the Aburi agreement he signed
Base1line: No foolish Igbo will be here to chastise his foolish kinsmen but instead they will abandon Igboland to wail over flood in Lagos while gullies have sucked their land to death traps.
I fell out my chair laughing because of your comment!
grandexpress: Idiot!! I was only using Dubai to prove how effective Leadership can be because I have lived there before.
You have lived all your miserable life in Lagos so to you Lagos is the height of all development.
Take a look at Rwanda and how the country transformed from a war torn country to cou lntry worthy of emulation. No Nigeria leader has ever been able to achieve such development in the history of the country. Not even your hero and demigod Tinubu.
And yet instead of you to admit and learn from Rwanda you are busy covering the true shame of Lagos with fancy buildings
A pig is still a pig! If you like give the pig wig or make up. It's still a pig!!
No amount of fine building structures you post can hide the rot and poor decay that still exist in Lagos.
oyin44: with that rocket launcher..it would be easy for the SW to create ( ICBMs) intercontinental ballistic missiles.Education is growing fast in west.good luck to them.Sw is a region owned by the yoruba people.hausa/ibo people are also there with them..simple
MERCHANDISER: I pity those that still believe in Nigeria and it's government because they won't learn from the incident in other to avoid such happening again. my condolences to those that lost there lives and properties.
You are the only one I have seen so far who have debunked the falsehood by this administration that corruption is the root cause of Nigeria's failure. And you did it empirically by highlighting the truth that Singapore, China, Malaysia, Indonesia, Korea , Brazil - in fact all the countries that were Nigeria's contemporaries at independence - all had corruption problem, yet developed and became economic powerhouse.
Nigeria, on the other hand, fell from grace to grass in less than two decades of flag independence. Our corruption produced a radically different outcome. REASON? Nigeria in 1966 fell into the hands of mediocres and incompetent military leadership who were unqualified and ill-suited for political leadership.
Ikinternational: Anybody dumping all the blame on Buhari is not being honest. Furthermore, we can't keep saying the cabals are in control but blame the president anytime anything goes wrong. The truth is we lack leaders with vision. That is the problem with Nigeria and the rest of Africa.
When china was making their leap, there was corruption When Singapore was making their leap, there was corruption. But those leaders had VISION!!!!
Excuzeme: Dont mind these Igbos, they are clever by One quarter, not even half!
When Nigeria was about to gain independence, an election was held to chose leadership. It ended in a stalemate, No party from any region could produce a clear majority, though the Igbo party has the smallest vote of the three major tribes, so an ALLIANCE needed to be formed. The British Administrator General of Nigeria then, told the Queen there might be a problem with the situation and this might affect the Independence date, which was already set Awolowo, naturally assumed that the Igbos, being Southerners like Yorubas, will like to form alliance with his party so power can remain in the South.
Awolowo thus opened negotiation with Azikwe and his party. Azikwe did not say "No", he just kept "discussing" with Awo's party.
All of a sudden, he went BEHIND AWOLOWO and AGREED to form an Alliance with the Northern party. Tafawa balewa simply told the British that the problem has been resolved as his Northenr party now has a majority because the Eastern party has formed an alliance with his own party, with him beng the PREMIER and Azikwe being the figure-head PRESIDENT of Nigeria. ! That was how the Igbos, thriugh greed and betrayal, laid the foundation for Northern domination of Nigeria, even before independence was declared.
Igbos are a special breed o humans, the North know them more than anybody else hence their insistence that they must not be anywhere near Power
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How did this discussion which should focus on Ango's statement and the born-to-rule mentality of the North transform to Igbo-Yoruba political fight?
Isn't it a confirmation of Ango's statement that the North will rule for the next 100 years from the front of your discussion?
olusun43: This man talks with all sides of the mouth. Don't take him seriously.. He always incites to violence with his talk.. 100 years in power ko, 1000 years ni...
You are really ignorant of the born-to-rule mentality of the north. Ask your brother MkO Abiola?
djdutch: The Nigerian context is world class corruption-only thing stopping Lagos from looking like Kigali with world class roads,free wifi access and transport system. Nigeria leaders are kingpins of corruption in the world and can't be rivaled.
If Lagos was a country it would control its own resources, ports and have more at its disposal to better manage itself, [b][/b]
You are absolutely right that with the above statement. But why is Lagos or South West Region not an independent country? Who prevented Yorubas from having an independent or semi-independent country where they will control there resources?
Stop deceiving yourself. There is nothing like south. The so-called south sold their birthright to The north in 1967 when they joined the North in fighting a northern-inspired war against Biafra.The South mortgaged their future by that singular action!
festacman: The truth is that Northern politicians are running their mouths, flexing their muscles and beating their chests because they have succeeded in putting fear in their Southern colleagues to accept their shenanigans. Unfortunately, what they fail to realize is that a BOYCOTT of election by a UNITED South CRIPPLES everything about 2023 Northern presidency bid and set the stage for something cataclysmic, the end result of which is yet unknown about the continued existence of the country.
If Southern Nigeria made and continues to make compromises by accepting Federal Character and Quota systems to preserve the unity of Nigeria, the North MUST be make their own compromises by accepting rotational presidency for the same goal.
Enough of this anoyingly irrational and shamelessly insensitive posturing. Northern Nigeria and Southern Nigeria need each other to exist as Nigeria. No entity is superior to the other.
Come 2023, if North retains the presidency as though nobody is capable in the South, the Southern leaders would have absolutely nobody to blame but themselves. Nobody takes you seriously until you assert yourself and time has come for that in view of feelers from the North.
Please did you say Western Region lent money to Eastern Region? Please when was that? Can you substrate your claim with empirical evidence.
Thanks!
mercyville: lol Are you talking about the fake WAEC results that were debunked? Yorubas still remain the most educated. Do you even remember that Western. Region lent money to you 2 times during regional system of government ?
In this day and age, you should not read somewhere and advertise your ignorance on social media. You should provide empirical evidence of what you read. Infinitum the common sense thing to do is to keep your "l read somewhere" to yourself.
You portray yourself as intelligence and objective.
Osaze007: I read somewhere Azikwe wanted to remove the oba of Benin and Lagos and turn both places into districts The god of western Nigeria dealth with Nnamdi Azikwe and his entire people
Today his people are looking for secession clause Azikwe refused to put to spite Yoruba
I’m sure if igbos could go back in time they will tell zik to let it in the constitution But hatred clouded his judgement
If both Zik and Ahmadu Bello hated Awolowo so much, why did Awolowo chose to become one Nigeria with the two leaders of the two tribes that hated him?What
Why didn't Awolowo demand for self-independence in 1956 for Yoruba Nation , instead of Enahoro proposed self-esteem governmemt and allowed the East and North to form One Nigeria given their twin hatred for Awolowo?
Why did Awolowo join the North, that hated Awolowo, to fight Biafra instead allowing the North and East, his two enemies, to politically settle their score in the Nigeria-Biafra Civil War?
I live in New York and a subscriber of New York Times. You want us to accept the objectivity of this report from NYT. I hope when I post the same NYT report portraying Awolowo and Yorubas in bad light, you won't reject the report.
LegendHero: What are you talking about? You Igbos are serial betrayers and you have been in romance with the feudal Fulanis from the onset. Did you see how the New York Times describes it: "The Federal government whose prime minister is Abubakar Tafawa Balewa, a muslim notable from the north, is managed by a coalition of the Northern people congress and National council of the Nigeria and the Cameroonians, two parties that have very little in common except mutual dislike of the third (Awolowo)."
The Western region being the most developed, richest, most advance region at then was envied by Azikwe and he had no choice than to side with the Muslim north hiding under the rubbish banner of one Nigeria to perpetrate his hate .
The Igbos through Azikwe betrayed the southern alliance by forming a government with the Northerners and you guys are shamefully justifying that.
Verdict: The Igbos are cowards and serial betrayal of the southern hemogeny.
Another drivel from you? What is the thrust of your posting today?
LegendHero: I stumbled upon the archive of the New York Times in October 18th 1959 on the eve of the election battle preceding the independence. The article clearly shows the genesis of the problem of Nigeria and how the Igbos and North both ganged up against the Yorubas because of their hatred for the success of the Western region.
Excerpts from the paper shows the Western Region is the most developed and richest region in Nigeria pre-1960, and it also capture succinctly what I have been saying that the Yorubas will be far better off with our Oduduwa Republic than remaining in this Nigeria that is pulling us down.
Below are the quotes from the Times newspaper:
The conservative North, 75 percent Muslim and containing about half of Nigeria's population, is governed by the Northern people's congress. The premier is Alhaji Sir Ahmadu Bello, who carries the title of Saraduana of Sokoto.
In the East, where the intelligent, energetic Ibo tribes predominates the controlling party is the National Council of Nigeria and the Cameroons, headed by one of the most dazzling of Nigerian politicians, Dr. Nnamdi Azikwe, premier of the Eastern region, who is known throughout the country as Zik.
In the somewhat more developed west, which is Yoruba Country, the government is run quite well, it is said by Chief Awolowo, an able politician, and his Action group. The West points with pride to its universal free primary education, free medical treatment for children up to 18years of age, agricultural planning and other social programs of which no other Nigerian region can boast of.
On the Hatred of the Yorubas by Azikwe and Balewa: The Federal government whose prime minister is Abubakar Tafawa Balewa, a muslim notable from the north, is managed by a coalition of the Northern people congress and National council of the Nigeria and the Cameroonians, two parties that have very little in common except mutual dislike of the third (Awolowo).
Anytime the Igbos accuse Yorubas of being betrayals, you should direct them to this factual statement of their eternal betrayal of the Yorubas by being slaves to the North and being a coward to conspire with the north to hate Awolowo who would have made this Nigeria a great country.
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Must you tell us the girls you made love to? You are shallow and petty!
Simbrixton: my names are yoruba names the last igbo girl i fuked said her name is ruphina i had to tell her chioma is better go and find out yorubas are the only africans that bear native names hahaha
Politics › Re: What Makes You Think Divided Nigeria Will Be Better Than This One by Uchek(m): 3:18am On Oct 30, 2019
