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Angela777:
He lost it all, his woman after her visa denial opened her big mouth too soon, yet even I yelled at him and told him our marriage is over, I begged him to stay to get his US documents, I begged him to keep the American door open for him and his kids because it was so close and I already paid all for it. I even begged his 2 women to convince him to stay for a couple of weeks until his US documents come by mail and they did come after he left, I begged his women telling them their kids will have American passport, to me the marriage is over, I will divorce him, they can have him but do the documents right. Both Nigerian women laughed at me saying they don't need America and the father of their children should be living where his children do. Only his family was very concerned but he traveled back fast, I guess he even didn't trust me, he was afraid to go to jail for human trafficking but then I didn't have any prove the child is not his and I even didn't want to know about it when I was told, it was too complicated and it was also putting my life in risk having the child in my house. I found out for sure about DNA only months after he left

interesting indeed

Pangea:
@ Op

Why are you wasting your time , trying to educate the idiots?

Reading almost all the response, I can deduce that, all hope is lost for the country if this is the mindset of an average Nigerian!
For a change to happen, one must first agree, there is a problem.
The people in the zoo called Nigeria has adapted to their problems instead of going out of their way to bring solution or a change!

They are like the Cypher in the movie - The Matrix, who opined that "Ignorance is bliss"
They prefer the illusion rather than the reality !
The OP has just painted the reality, but what do we get, the cyphers of Nigeria, throwing tantrums because once again they have been yanked out of their illusion!

unfortunately true

Nigeria has become something else

davitogreat:
The reason africa is poor is because many africans are like you.

They only know how to run to foreign lands, worship foreigners and bi.tch moan and complain.

I thank God there are africans like dangote, Mitchell elegbe, innocent chukwuma, tunde kehinde, wale tinubu, ladi jadesimi and many others

Africa is poor because of so many empty headed barbaric mumu punk a $$ citizens in one space

When you try to bring change, the same people you want to help will eat you up

useless kuntinent

Tianamen1:
Of the original 41 banned items, how many have Nigerians started producing locally?

Governments everywhere are the worst allocators of resources. Once they start choosing to give special interest rates to industries, corruption will certainly follow. In fact, only countries like China where people are killed for corruption can such policies as these work.

Grandstar, a focus on exports will also not work the same way you now realise import substitution does not work.

Any form of government intervention to spur a specific sector hardly ever works because people are inherently corrupt.

When the US Economy was collapsing in 2008, the federal reserve reduced interest rates to close to zero percent to help spur lending but the banks still refused to lend money out. They simply used the money to speculate in the markets and to buy back their stocks. This created an illusion of a recovery in the US economy however, common Americans did not benefit in anyway so inequality grew, and social unrest is currently at the highest levels in decades.

In the Eurozone, the biggest cost to Britain is payments to subsidize farmers in other European countries. Apart from issues with immigration, this is the biggest reason for Brexit.

A government's role in an economy should not go beyond providing Education, healthcare, security and Law and order. In order to achieve these things, infrastructure such as electricity, roads, transportation systems, communication technology, public water works, etc will have to be developed. In most climes, their central banks only have one purpose which is to fight inflation.

How much did our government invest in our musicians and our film industry, yet today both are robust and are contributing to our GDP and also creating lots of employment.

Our fight should be for a reduced civil service and an increase in spending on public goods such as education as earlier stated.

I'm impressed

Angela777:
lol, now he is mumu, he left few days before getting his US documents, lost his green card, asking for to be back to me, now he can f--k as many he can there in Africa

You don't mean it

so he did not succeed in getting the documents he wanted

Chai!

Angela777:
It's ok, you can laugh at me, stupid maga

I'm not laughing at you tho

I'm making reference to your ex husband

Warri men in general have ZERO commitment to women and feel they can f**k as many as they can.

the real warri men

Angela777:
Yes, I heard about this. My ex, his family and his women are from Warri

no wonder Warri

Angela777:
The amazing thing is after my Nigerian ex left, I had a chat with his 2 Nigerian women, they knew he went to marry me, they knew he planned to marry a Canadian lady at the same time with me yet something didn't work there and when I asked how do they accept her man going to marry and in bed with another woman, me. They both laughed and said they let him to fool around, he brings money for living.

Ew, dirty him, dirty his women.

flawed value system

Angela777:
Some of us we marry for better or worse and for life. My late husband and me, we both agreed to marry and never divorce, he became very ill, crazy and abusive in his sickness, big spender too, every day buying lots on credits and on my credit too but I knew him from before, he was a good hardworking man and we were building our life together, I never would abandon him being sick and I did not, I let him be and enjoy his last years, I didn't mind debts growing up, he was sick and in pain so, honey, I will not claim or bitch, I love you and I wish you happy.

I am a widow now. But will I marry the man who all I see and all he gives me from the day 1 it's big problems, abuse and debts? Absolutely not. I just will not fall in love with the man who treats me badly.

My girlfriend, she divorced her husband, they married being students, they both worked hard and made a big fortune, she was a wheel in their business more than him, her family gave them the start, after years, he cheated on her in her face with the secretary in their business, she was so hurt, all friends knew them as a loving couple working together, we all were shocked, she is so good wife and so pretty lady, it did hurt seeing them divorced.

wow :I

these are touching stories

mimi045:
very interesting

interesting indeed

Angela777:
Totally true. And that's why in America men willing to marry outnumber women who are the marriage material. Many women in America are in drugs, alcohol and bad behavior, many don't want even date losers and are very careful to accept to be married, financial debts and financial cheating as well many crazy addicted men are a big turn off, yet there are more men desperate to marry a woman because men need women for live better and longer (very well known statistics), it's not Africa, women in America don't need a husband for to live well or even raise the children, some just date but not marry. That's why American men bring foreign women who have no clue once she is married, he hangs his thousands and thousands of his own debts on her or is abusing her. Historically in USA and Canada there are not enough women to marry for men, specially for poor or middle class men or so called losers. That's why new male immigrants have a hard time to find an American wife, yet Nigerians are so nice talking and so attractive, some manage well but based on lies and cheating, it doesn't stay long this kind of marriage either, western women we divorce fast not tolerating cheaters and lies. That's why Nigerian Americans look back at Nigeria saying oh, Nigerian babes are submissive, hardworking and she will not object him having many women or he can fool her too. And surprise, Nigerian babes are smart and learn fast, and abandon the cheater even faster than the American women or run to cheat on Nigerian men getting all he has, house, car, etc.

interesting perspective you got there

wetdick:
you are writing this because you are a woman, you are also writing this like the girls were trafficked into America. how come there is low divorce rate among asian-americans than any other groups.

i have seen lot of wealthy americans going to eastern europe(poland for instance) or asia to get married. the reason why american women are losing their attractiveness is because of toxic feminism, the court system and the laws that favours women, many men have been left homeless, jobless and broke because of false accusations by the women in their lives. how come the divorce rate is very high, why do men in america in their second or third marriages, we need to admit something is wrong somewhere, women do not like to admit faults, they blame the men for everything while putting their flaws aside.

Many American women are now muscular women, they act and behave like men, they dont even know how to flirt and dress feminine that is why they pay professionals to learn this, any move on them can be considered a harassment or catcalling, even the word beauty is now a taboo, when men see all these, they get scared and leave the women alone. no man wants his reputation destroyed. for a man, when the law is against him especially in a system like america, the best is to avoid the women in the system and look elsewhere or just bang a girl without committing.

the American men are also culpable too in some instances

not always

Now 50% of marriages ends up in divorce in the U.S.

this means 50% don't

And this means there are still So many American women in stable marriages as well, but the thing is that the media will not display or eulogise that
what they do eulogise is chaos in marriage and all that palava

in this case, the two genders are to blame

in a way.

But the legal system is NOT FAIR

that is fact

Naija4lifeYank:
Who put the American man in debt? Is it not the same American woman who divorced him and took his money leaving him with debt, with the active connivance of the law courts? And this is irrespective of if the wife was a cheat, witch, or just bat crazy.
Then they turn around and call him a loser (your words). What percentage of divorce filers are women? Statistically over 85% of divorces are filed by women. And you can't tell me that only men cheat in America.
To me it appears the American woman you describe is looking for a fresh victim and is only avoiding the "loser" because some other woman got to squeeze him dry first.
That's why Sango, doing tag-team with Thor, hammers-wielding and all, will fire any American woman (already talked about the dangers of foreign women, so no thanks too) that thinks I'll walk down the aisle with her. And I like living in the US with the constant electricity so I'm not moving to no funny place so I can marry.
I know they are all still interested because I escaped with a lot of my wealth and my son, so I'm not paying any child support. But once bitten twice shy. Thanks but no thanks, We good!

I'm sorry mehn....


That your experience really hurt you

LordAdam16:
It's okay to disagree.

The issue is that I don't see the basis for the disagreement because I'm not expressly saying the contributions of women to the advancement of modern society is unimportant (which is what belittling means) or negligible. I'm only saying the contributions of men are more critical.

Which I have to reiterate since you believe the patriarchy had NOTHING to do with the advancement of human society.

By no stretch of the imagination is that true.

As at when homo sapiens speciated 350+k years, a man living out of a cave with his immediate family did not go out to hunt, fend off predator, and duel and as a result get to make all the major decisions because he wanted to oppress his mate, sisters, and daughters. It was for survival and in his mind to protect them.

And men went to war throughout the ages for their land, for women, and for their children; knowing losing a war meant immediate doom for their immediate community. That's why they held all the cards. It was a responsibility only men could have handled and as is the case in much of the animal kingdom, the fittest take the spoils. That's it.

Now that men have built a global order with relative peace where people don't have to look over their shoulders all the time, not fear unexpected raids, and not carry personal weapon everywhere they go; responsibility is now being shared. So the talk of historic marginalization or how men are the enemy or how men are to blame for female rebellion is just hot crap from opportunistic c*nts.

I will not blame men for doing what they had to do to guarantee survival of the species. If women think they can do a better job, they should go settle all the ongoing conflicts. Nigerian feminists can start with the herdsmen crisis. Because it's very easy to cast blame when you didn't have to deal with the sh*t men have had to deal with for millenia.

Think of it, women did not rebel 300,000 years ago; 250,000 years ago; 200k; 100k; 50k; 20k; 5k; 3k; 2k; 1000 years ago; or 500 years ago. The moment men invented machines to eliminate manual labor and wars became infrequent as well as small scale conflicts reduced drastically; that's when they realized they had rights and men had been oppressing them.

I'm pretty sure the early homo sapien would have liked them to rebel and ask to tag along to face an 11 foot, 2000 pound short-faced bear. Now that they have to face computer screens to get paid a living wage, they're screaming 'girl power,' and you expect me to stroke their ego. Why?

-Lord

Let's agree to disagree

You got your facts.

especially on the graduation of men from Hunter /gatherer society to cave men to the current era.

what did you study in school?

highcollide:
a woman is behind that moniker. She's doing a poor job at masking her identity.

lmao

so I have been pretending to be a woman since 2011

this guy sef

So women in igbo land answer Ugochukwu now abi?

This guy dey make me laugh

I'm a man who understand the plight of women, and seek fairness and equity, not bullying and all other misogynistic tendencies

highcollide:
instead of attacking men on social media, won't it be sensible for you to weed out the extremists and work on improving the ideology of feminism?


I still put it to you that Women have done almost nothing in pushing civilization to this level compared to men.


Even this present times, there are equal opportunities, we get to same education, we fight for the same jobs, we contest in the same elections, where are women marginalised?

Have you ever asked yourself why men have shorter lifespan than women?


I ask again, are you willing to give up your benefits in your quest for your so-called equality?

Materiality leave, alimony, protection, the special treatments you get by being a woman (a man shouldn't hit a woman, special treatment for pregnant women etc),are you willing to be drafted in wars like men?


Are you willing to lose the rights you enjoy in divorce cases?


Equal rights mean equal fights, are you willing to be treated like a man by men?

Because you cannot want equality and still maintain the benefits that men don't enjoy.

bros I'm a man o

besides

you raised valid points

wetdick:
you know, the western world is in relative peacetime, let another world war come and see this so-called feminists run to men to protect them but by that time they would have feminised them, that the feminists and the feminised man will be clear out of the surface of the earth, after that will they realise their mistakes and let boys be boys.

yes

men should be allowed to be men

We defend and protect our own

Like lions

LordAdam16:
No he is a guy.

He is one of the millions of guys out there who have been brainwashed to see feminism as a noble venture rather than the opportunistic take-over attempt that it is.

Little by little they let the feminazis chip away at their liberties, then one day they wake up and realize they've been screwed over, then start calling for men's rights and forming movements like MGTOW.

Only that the feminists with their newly-ingratiated power given to them by these same misled men would start calling them incels and petulant bigots whenever they raise any objections.

The Arab, Asian, African, and Eastern European men are across the pond looking at them and saying you know what, thanks but no thanks. We are misogynists, no f*cking problem. Better to be called a misogynist when I call the shots than to be called an incel when I raise a complaint. Because as our people say, na from clap, dem dey tk enter dance.

Just imagine feminists asking for boys to be given dolls to tone down toxic masculinity. Like WTF?

In Ancient Sparta, while the boys were sent to the Agoge as young as 7, girls stayed back to help their mothers and old men run the city. Slaves captured in wars did most of the menial jobs. At age 20, those that survive the Agoge, graduate and are enlisted into the army. When leaving for a battle, the women gave the men one simple instruction--either return with your shield on your arm or with you lying on top of your shield. Defeat in combat was worse than castration.

Today, Greek feminists in Laconia will also wake up and say the patriarchy had always marginalized and oppressed women.

How do you marginalize folks who had to stay in the secure confines of city walls raising kids and farming while the men ran head on into flying arrows, stationed pikes, drawn swords on the battle field. Then when they survive all that, you expect them to come home and place you on a pedestal so you can call the shots. Because your vagina is made up of pixie dust.

-Lord

You are an intelligent man.

I give that to you.


We agree on certain things and not on others.

We agree that extreme (3rd wave feminist) are hypocrites for example.
we also agree that man should do man stuff and women do women stuff as well

Toxic masculinity is a shambolic term, and now that you have raised it, I think it's a whole of crap!

But we don't agree on a couple of things
Like the way you belittle the contribution of women to the survival of our civilisation tilldate (which I consider a bit misogynist btw)
And how you say that men bear NO BLAME for the rebellion we see today.
the level of blame may be subjective, but its there


my point is clear.

And I'm sure you understand it.

Feminists have allowed extremists in their ranks, and it has turned it to another thing
But still, feminism in the real sense of it is not the EVIL

It's the extremists that need to be locked up in a mental home

it's good to see you again
kinda missed those your old posts

gensteejay:
Ok. I am non-committal about these gender-sensitive arguments on Nl. They could be time-wasting and occasionally pointless.

True

grandstar:
Ugosample

In India today, the almighty mother-in-law's powers are being trimmed and defanged by empowered middle class women liberated from economic dependence on their husbands hence can show his mum the door.

As countries get richer, women become more empowered and independent.

In the past, many women here tolerated their husbands having additional wives and mistresses but now we have women dumping such husbands. They are financially able to cater for their kids alone and no longer terrified of an uncertain future for the kids were they to leave.

Society changes as it grows richer. Many couples have only one child or at most 2 now. Homosexuality now taboo will be tolerated when per capita income hits about $15,000 or even before that.

indeed.

That's what I'm trying to say..

In times past, so many things were heavily stacked against women (by men who designed some of the norms) And they had to rebel to remove that yoke

the guy you quoted is saying that the men had no blame whatsoever.

Why woukd a man even threaten to throw his wife out I the first place?

some did throw them out and they became destitute
And the kids suffered.
This happened A LOT

Now we are at the receiving end and we are all crying foul


What you sow is what you reap

now the extreme feminists will soon reap what they have sowed too, their own is coming

gensteejay:
You raised some powerful points here.

Are you sure you're not arguing with a female member, disguised as a guy?

I am not taking sides in this gender-centric argument, though.

I am a man of course

But I have come to terms with how we as men, are contributors to this madness we see today in our societies

African men especially (and indeed conservative punks) have been raised over the decades to do as they please, be careless and lack accountability

that is why we have so many senseless men out there


Times have changed, but that Inclination has refused to leave most of una
that is why you all are crying foul

To imagine lord saying that men played NO role whatsoever in these rebellions (because that is how I see it) is laughable

For him to see nothing wrong with the repugnant customs and practices common with Igbos and Africans in general is even more laughable.
Continue to bury your heads in the sand you hear?

The era of conservatism being strong is about to be thrown in the ditch

LordAdam16:
You clearly did not read or assimilate anything I typed. So it is irrelevant to respond to much of this.

That said, your last statement epitomizes the contradiction you're blind to but enthusiastically spout. Women in that rural community "take pride in their role as nurturers and custodian of family" because they can't perform the roles of men in that society. The second that village advances to a level where there are no more earthly dangers or men no longer have to exclusively perform roles critical for their survival, those women would subscribe to feminism.

That village is a patriarchy. And if they were to advance by their own means, it'd be due to that same patriarchy. It'd be men taking the political and societal decisions, allocating resources, and defending the fidelity of their social fabric.

Then when that village advances thanks to the patriarchy, the female descendants of these same women who apparently "take pride in their role as nurturers and custodians of family" would say their mothers and female ancestors had been "historically marginalized and oppressed" by the patriarchy.

And if you read my post, you'd note that, as well as where I stated that most matriarchal societies in Asia do not even make men do domestic chores. The matriarch like any patriarch also delegate women to perform these nurturing and custodial tasks.

Knowing this, I can not for the life of me understand your logic that patriarchy has ZERO links to advancement of societies. That's saying all of the decisions taken for the past 300,000 years by the overwhelming majority of homo sapien societies comprising patriarchies had NOTHING to do with our advancement from stone-wielding troglodytes to the modern day smartphone-wielding sophisticates. That is PREPOSTEROUS!

I'm not even going to waste anymore time explaining the patriarchy and introductory sociology and economics to you.

Men did not fail to manage anything. If men failed, you wouldn't be existing today. Mankind would be extinct. They did their best to the best of their ability. The females are rebelling now because they see an opening to wrestle power. If WW3 were to start today, feminism will die a natural death. There'd be no feminist asking for the number of soldiers in the war front to be 50:50. They'd stop calling nurturing unpaid labor.

Feminism is opportunism.

-Lord

hmmmm

You have interesting viewpoints....

But absolving men of the blame for what is going on is disingenuous

You are a typical black man
which in reality, your viewpoints are not Terrible

You are right about a lot of feminists being opportunists and all, which is true, and hypocrisy seeping in the feminism movement is clear for all to see.

But as men, we MESSED UP and we are PAYING FOR IT.

Its only a matter of time before the Arab world cracks as well, we are seeing it unravelling

I forgot to add tho, in that village, we had female chiefs and female priests and all (a juju zone I tell u) so the women were just as involved in the political decision making to an extent

I am a social scientist, so all these concepts are familiar to me, so thanks, but I don't need you to teach me those concepts.


like I said before, men of the 21st century better retrace their steps or things will blow over.

more specifically, we as Igbos better change, or the coming decades will be a bumpy ride, take that from me

Boss13:
Let’s not discuss about religion here because Christianity has done far worse and still doing more damage to society. I can give you examples for you to go research. Catholic priest and young boys - does it ring a bell. That’s contemporary issue for you to go research.

I am not a Muslim but I have seen these women understanding and appreciating their feminist roles and avoiding western interference. They understand who they are and love who they are. Feminine role is also specified in the Bible if you are unaware.

What I see with western women and now young Nigeria women is they do not really know who they are. They are being deceived by Institutions, controlled by men, claiming to champion feminism.

"western influence? "
I hope you know that conservatism is still well rooted in the western world too.
You live here so you should know
that is why some states fought tooth and nail against homo marriages and all that

And yes, Muzzies will kill or deal badly with there women OF they step out of what the men have defined as "the lines"
You know it, and I know it

However, appreciating your feminity as a woman is the best
Trust me

And feminine roles are not just based on the "bible" even tho I am a Christian

even cultures that don't believe in the bible STILL hold the same values, so this is not about the bible, but nature and our inclinations


We as men have a lot of work to do with our daughters and women in our lives . We need to teach them the essence of being women, and also love them and create an atmosphere for them to thrive

treating them as second class citizens and chattel over the centuries led us to this dangerous juncture that we are tifst, and as men, we have refused to admit it.

If American men of the past were not screwing eondn over with divorce and sending them out and replacing them with younger wives, would they have been a need or basis to revise the divorce laws, which today has now caused societal upheavals? The honest answer is NO!

If women's rights were taken seriously FROM THE BEGINNING, would we be in this quagmire? NO


We caused it, now we have to leave with it.

Igbo custom is amongst the most misogynist in this country

And now the women are revolting and screwing men over (in their eyes, they are paying men back in their own coin )

That's just how it is.

We better retrace our steps

or we will be in serious trouble in the coming decades.

remigiusizunna:
Rochas is on his way to political oblivion.
It's only in the west that you can try this nonsense and go away with it.
Try it here in the east ...... anyi apaiwa gi azu sharperly

not true

The SW rejected APC in Oyo state And even Osun state
it was after heavy rigging that APC escaped with abt 400 votes.
Dapo Abiodun of ogun state won against the will of the mumu gov

So SW is not doing badly

Boss13:
I think it has to do with the religion specifying women roles. I love equality but the feminist wave is now becoming hostile. More women are now ingesting testosterone either through movies, books or commercials. Someone was arguing against my suggestion. It’s my opinion and I have seen the Muslim abroad holding on to their traditional lives and conflicts in marriages are easily resolved. Also, you know your children would have some traditional values and not get carried away with the next new thing.

America is a toxic environment - anything goes as long as there is money to be made from it.

some of the Muslims confirm BY CHOICE

But a culture that promotes honour killings and the subjugation and commoditization of women is not a culture worth praising or emulating

I respect cultures that ALLOW women to be feminine and "traditional" by choice, not coercion

At a family friends town in Canada, a Pakistani man (muzzie btw) killed his two daughters for coming over and partying and living the life that youths their age were living

So I will NEVER support or give kudos to such

But just likr we have in parts of northern NIGERIA
some of them are well educated have good careers and still are "traditional"
e.g. Moghalu VP candidate

That's more like it.

LordAdam16:
First off, I'm not sure how you read this sentence of mine:



And somehow you interpreted it as "countries advancing because of 'patriarchy'."

Nation building requires a lot of moving pieces that have to interact in the right way for there to be advancements. I simply said they're advancing and becoming wealthy, but not abandoning their patriarchy. They have the choice to but they aren't.

That's why Russia jailed a feminist blogger for inciting hate against men. Egypt jailed a feminist for making an uncorroborated sexual assault claim against a taxi driver. These are countries advancing but sticking with their patriarchy. Women can vote, they can drive cars, they can even assume political office, but they have lines women can't cross.

And every day I find it harder to fault their choice. For example, I'm pro-choice. Women have a right to decide if they want to keep a baby or not. But I have a term limit--first trimester. However, there are pro-choice absolutists in the US pushing for women to have the right to abort newborns during birth or after birth. They're calling it after-birth abortion, when by any reasonable definition of it, it really is infanticide.

And this is not just alt-right propaganda. The governor of Virginia supported it after a female state legislator pushed the bill. That's what happens when you give women a meter.

And the funny part is that I'm antimoralist, can understand the logic behind their extreme calls, but even I know it's a cuckoo call.

That's what my point is about, not your misinterpretation of making it seem patriarchy is responsible for economic growth.

________


And even if I were to debate that sentiment, it certainly would be a lot clearer. Because even in most Asian matriarchal societies, men don't do domestic chores. The matriarch organizes women in her family for child rearing, house cleaning, and other traditional feminine roles in patriarchal societies.

Even among Bonobos, matriarchs and high-ranking females give their sons male privilege and in-fighting is just as prevalent as any ape society. Then among Chimpanzees, recent research has uncovered the nuance of the patriarchy and how alpha males aren't just outsized brute males who lord over submissive, voiceless females; but leaders who have to serve their troops, form changing alliances, provoke admiration, and continually convince the female clan that they have what it takes to lead.

This entire idea that patriarchy is a cancer that should be excised goes against the spirit of hundreds of thousands of years of evolution. All of our sissified, docile cousins (from other human species in the homo genus to the ardipithecus) are extinct. Men told the womenfolk to stay back and raise kids while they hunted animals many times their size like the mammoth and after that regularly go on multi-year war campaigns, because women on average are terrible hunters and fighters.

I don't know how many feminists, like our residents cococandy and co, would relish the opportunity of going after a sabre-tooth tiger attacking the community with only stone tools. Whereas able men of fighting age would be rallied, much like the compulsory draft for males in the US, to go after a beast whose biting force can crack skulls like a popsicle.

Women did not enter the workplace in the US until there was a world war. With men giving their lives in the trenches, women had to join the war effort by taking jobs in industries. And this could only work out because the first and second industrial revolutions had eliminated a lot of manual work in favor of machines. Who designed and developed these machines? The patriarchy. Why? Because of the Patriarchy and for the Patriarchy?

Today, we've advanced so much and are now in the knowledge economy, heavily reducing the need for manual labor, and as such women can participate. And what thanks did the patriarchy get for that? Vilification.

Even then, fewer women choose to do the most necessary and the most dangerous jobs required for the advancement of human civilization. Instead of going into STEM, they rather want to go into gender studies. Rather than take construction, truck driving jobs, with high work-related mortality they instead want to take administrative jobs. Today, men account for 90+% of all workplace fatalities.

And the same men who have to go several miles underground to dig coal or work in oil rigs to source for the fuel that'd power the devices that make their lives easier somehow are the embodiments of toxic masculinity who they waste no time denigrating with the same inventions made by men and the patriarchy.

So while patriarchy is not solely responsible for the advancement of human society, it sure explains a lot. And by a lot, I mean over 300,000 years.

-Lord

Countries developing or not have ZERO links to patriarchy

Like I said, there are patriarchal rich and poor countries
developed and underdeveloped etc

It's so many things rolled in one.

And women played A BIG ROLE too in civilizations that are stable and surviving
And here is the catch

Women are just as capable of destroying civilisations

And funny enough, the world is STILL patriarchal
even westen Europe

All the rebellion and feminism and all these is because largely, we as men failed to manage things


if there was no basis, all these movements would have died and had no base

But it's because men of the past were highly misogynist and dealt badly with women, that these movements happen.

In societies that are less misogynist

feminism lacks appeal there

in societies that women role are not belittled or commonised the way you see it here, feminism lacks appeal too.

I did volunteer work in a far flung village somewhere in Africa, feminism can NEVER sell there because they don't need it.
the womentake pride in their role as nurturers and custodian of family while the men do their bit (tho polygamy is the small minus they have)


why will they want to leave that role, and be dragging men's role with them

franchasng:
lolz life is funny

when you are in the situation

It's not funny
But as Igbos will say
ihe ojoo na-ato ochi

gforce5:
As much as I don't really dig Nigerian women too much as they have a lot of issues, i swear that a lot of men on this forum are confused as to what they want.

Today it's "team foreign women". Tomorrow it's "Nigerian girls are the best". The following day it's "majority of Nigerian women are prostitutes". Or "Akata/foreign born and raised Nigerian women are lost". Another one is "village girls are homely and still respect our traditions". Or the latest "Don't take a village girl with you abroad as they will tear eye and dump you after everything you have done for them". I mean, make up your minds for crying out loud! Nobody is perfect.

As for you lots that are based abroad, you have to understand that you are in a foreign environment. It's important to maintain your culture in order to pass it on to the next generation but you also have to bend the rules and be flexible.

A lot of you will be chasing the pretty and flashy ones who will not easy submit instead of the average/chubby ones who would be appreciative of the attention they are getting from you. Open your minds lads.

true that

wetdick:
Amazing. Typing like dating a western woman is a status symbol. Lol.

It seems western women are so special that they dont shit piss or smell. If they are so special why is their men not marrying them? Why is their men all going to asia and eastern europe for women. Why is MGTOW very popular in western society?

Women are women sha

Good and bad

Putting western women on pedestals is not the best.

franchasng:
na wa oh

A town's man of mine is facing HELL

It's this issue of male child wahala.

he is fine wirt the girls he has (5 btw)

But the woman want boy by fire by force (hence the reason why they have 5 in the firsr place

From one palava to the other

She hates the last born so much and maltreats her

And the wahala goes on and on


Good man people are looking for, this one is rubbishing

is it at his age now that he will now start looking to start another family?.??

So sad

men shine una eyes

Big ass /Small ass, all na ass and e dey sweet well well, only of you can use the instrument

so no use because you dey find big ass /heavy duty, you land yourself n'ime nsogbu

I am talking specifically to the nwafors out there (we know ourselves)

franchasng:
Pls don't scare me, this aspect scares the hell out of me.

I can forgive my wife anything she does against me, but the two things I can never forgive her are:

1.) Attempt to take my life away
2.) Cheating (I will never forgive no matter what, that will be the end of the road )

I really don't pray to be in your dad's shoe because I will kill somebody alive, which I really don't pray for

God I am begging you please don't let me marry a cheating woman that will cheat on me, instead find ways to cancel the wedding before it takes place oh Lord I pray

there are men out there going through hell out there in marriage


And I feel so sorry for them

wetdick:
yes it is sensible. Take your village for example. Who the huts, the footpart, who is the one hurting, who is the one farming and harvesting the farm then compare to who is the one gossiping and cooking what the man brought. Compare which role is more important

in my village of old (it's now a town somewhere in imo btw)

Women go to farm, harvest crops, store them, do many other things and even bear and raise the children

#fact

The men go to farm, defend the base from raiders (fulani herders and all) and do other things as well.

so no one is sleeping, or not contributing significantly


We built our civilisation together, but judging by the trends, it's like we are about to tear it down