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HappyPagan:
Seriously, you didn't know?

HappyPagan:
Give your time to God
To God, your time belongs
Give your life to God
To God, your life belongs

Christ is the Son of God
The Cross is the Word of God
He who denies the Cross
Will make God cross.

Since dem born me, na Church I dey go
Sinners no sabi wetin I get
I get long life, I get fine car
Fine wife, fine shoe, na my target

See that man, wey no get money
Wey young, wey things hard for im life
Things bettee for am, so tey all im steps na money
Na positive transformation you go see, when you give Christ your life.




Christ came that you may have life
And have life abundantly
The Man of God came that you may speak wishes
And give him life abundantly

The Word works by a mixture of faith in the Man's works
The signs and wonders God has done through Him
Jesus' blood saves, tithe is the license fee.
Have you given your all to Him?
The Church loves cheerful givers.

onila:


i wonder how my parents do it

luvmijeje:
I understand their point of view. I understand why they believe there is no God but there are times I'm like are they in this country. Haven't they heard of black magic? Haven't they see cult guys or area guys fight with black magic?

I was born and grow up in most deadliest area of Lagos, so I have seen a lot of crazy things that if I start explaining they will say I'm lying. I've seen things that's beyond the reasoning of science.

So you will understand why I think Atheists especially if they live in this country are living in a bubble.

aaronson:
Religion breeds backwardness and social division hence the aims and objectives of religion is undermined. Not to mention how terrorism, hate and bigotry all draw thier source from religion.

P.S : Religion is the highest causal of war and terrorism since the inception of mankind and warfare.

frank317:
Besides u cannot just pick a few successful religious countries to measure the effect of religion to a people. Let's see the percentage of highly religious countries that are doing well and compare it with the percentage of non highly religious countries that are doing well.

frank317:
That's why I said religion is not the only problem... I noticed u insist on pretending u didn't get that point.

Those Arab countries u mentioned do not subscribe to layer back spiritual beliefs like Nigerians...they sonnot have such cultural diversity as we have here that are dividing us. Go to front page and see how Nigerians attack themselves, rather than issues.

Go to Qatar and Saudi, u will see the effect of religion on them despite their success. Can't u see that their religion has set a limit to their success? How are they effectively going beyond their environment and effecting the world with what they have?

frank317:
Yes, they are not religious. Not half as religious as Nigeria

frank317:
Its obvious u have nothing to say..perhaps we should declare the thread closed. I however hope u have learned something today.

frank317:
Lol... What's hustle like mad? Nigerians think science is devilish and are waiting for Christ to come while we waiting on God to help us in everything we do.
[b]Why do u think there is ritual killing, yahoo plus rumors, many churches etc rather than good scientists and industries. [/b]Why do u think a government will always ask people to pray over situation they should think out ways to resolve? Why will our president be sick and Nigerians will be praying for him instead of equipping their hospitals and ensuring the rift treatment. Why should someone steal money and blame it on snake?

If u think religion is not part of Nigeria's problem then u are part of Nigeria's problem.

When people give their tithe what do u think they are giving it for? What are they expecting? Do u know how this expectation can slightly affect their hustle? Even Christians who failed to pay their tithe will blame their failures on their inability to tithe, what does this tell u of a people?

As long as u depend on God ur hustle can never be full, u must reserve some strength since God is there by the corner to finish it up for u.

Well, this is me is why religion is part of Nigeria's problem... The bad news is that Nigeria has many problems.

Binikingdowm:
shut up and leave Edo out of your madness

frank317:
How is religion one if the causes of Nigeria's problem u mean?

When people believe in an unseen being, they can believe in anything. It shows to a large extent how gullible they are. It also shows they are intellectually lazy.
They become victims of con men.
Further they wait on this God to come help them on things they can do. They rather pray than work.
While the bible encourages Christians to work as well as pray, but the fact is that both cannot go together. Because u believe God will help, ur hustle can NEVER be like someone who thinks he just as himself no matter what u tell urself.
U see people live hypocritic life pretending to see and communicate to what they have never seen and communicated to they blame unseen forces for their problems and accuse innocent people of masterminding their failures.
They live a life where they think they know what they don't know and it control their whole essence of living.
When they fail, they say its Gods will and when they win they say it is God, this is a strong case of a people who don't believe in themselves...

So do u think a group of people who live as I have described above will succeed better than people who depend on themselves for everything?

That's Nigerian for u, one of the most religious countries in the world.

staytravel:
Why do you think so?

staytravel:
Why do you think so?

frank317:
Nobody said religion is Nigeria's problem... Religion is PART our problem. Causes of Nigeria problem plenty, and religion is one of the causes

dorox:
I am from Edo, and I can confirm to you that all the stories you have been told about Edo people and their juju powers are just stories.

If juju was real and powerful, why did the oba of Benin suffer a humiliating defeat to a handful of white men with gun?

PastorAIO:
Have you heard of the bell curve. Every population has a Bell curve where by in the middle is the IQ of most of the population and at the extreme ends of both ends are the exceptionally intelligent and the exceptionally stupid.

Personally I think that Nigerians have produced the most intelligent as well as the most idiotic people I've ever met in my life. But then I'm a nigerian so I'm more likely to meet all sort of nigerians.

How do you explain such extremities of IQ different within the same genetic population. Sometimes even within the same family one brother can be stupid and the other highly intelligent, How do you explain that?

Ans: Look up a new science called Epigenetics...

PastorAIO:
Why not?

And he could also have decided that 1400 years was the right time to prosper the Romans. And 2000 years was the right time to prosper Chinese. And 100 years was the right time to prosper British empire.

And he could have decided that the only people he was going to prosper were the people who were capable of questioning Authority.

NPComplete:
The truth is that we will never know how the church was built. We will never know how much of our collective wealth was donated there by unscrupulous politicians seeking favour from God and support from men. We will never know how much underhanded deals went into realising that project. All we will keep hearing is that it was a miracle.
Funny thing is such miracles are never replicated in building industries, raising the education level, and bringing up innovations the world has never seen before. At this rate in the next 30 years while other nations will be known for their giant strides, Nigeria will only be known for its big cathedrals and mosques.

PabloAfricanus:
Hi Rossikk,

Passionate response I must say
But still you avoided or rather dodged my earlier questions.
Sadly the point of the discussion eluded you...that you had to resort to name calling.
You know what gives when a discussion degenerates to ad hominems...

From your responses, I can guess(might be wrong tho) that I am more informed on Ancient/Contemporary African achievements more than you.
If the tables were turned and I was the one challenged to provide documented evidence of African achievements not linked or sourced from any European...I'd provide some of the sources listed below.

The Ankh: African Origin of Electromagnetism
http://www.amazon.com/The-Ankh-African-Origin-Electromagnetism/dp/1886433127

The Teachings of Ptahhotep: The Oldest Book in the World
http://www.amazon.com/The-Teachings-Ptahhotep-Oldest-World/dp/0945708025/ref=pd_sim_14_3?ie=UTF8

These were stuff that happened before any white pickey had anything to do with Africa as we know it.
Time and space would not allow me to compile a comprehensive list of ancient African technology...which I can bet my left ball you probably never heard of.

In addition to the above, I'd give you direct accounts of what Africans did back then and what they are still able to do now.
I would tell you about how Africans navigated the deep forests and jungles of Africa using home grown technology.
Did you know the Yorubas have a technology called Oso that can be called a human GPS? With Oso hunters can stray
as they like into any forest and at any time find their way back! Even more they can teleport with Oso out of any life threatening
crisis!
Did you know Ogun worshippers can call iron bullets out of gun wounds?
Are you aware resurrection from the dead is child's play to some of our secret societies? And what's more if you are shown the secret...its entirely a natural (some would say diabolical) art!
Have you heard about the tracking skills of the Fulani?
I'm sure you do not how how far ancient Africans probed deep into what is now called electromagnetics.
What modern scientists now know as the wave nature of light and sound was discovered and manipulated centuries back here in Africa.
These are stuff you do not need to quote Talbot or anyone to write down...if you knew about them.
Sadly you demonstrated ignorance...and proved my point...your references are entirely European or derivatives of
European knowledge! If challenged you can then offer documented evidence or a live tour.

You sadly skipped the part where I asked you to provide me with oral histories personally known to you.
Let me give you an example, the sculptor Ben Enwonwu had to apprentice himself to the Bini guild of bronze casters to learn the art from them.
Now that is a living knowledge! You can actually take a bus to Bini or Onitsha and verify that history!
They can tell you the Oba who established the guilds, in what year and give you verifiable genealogies.
No need to quote anyone or "numerous examples" or "references".

As of today, I can confidently say you cannot read or write Nsibidi...neither do you know any one who can.
Also, you have never seen any book, scroll or script written in Nsibidi...neither do you know any one who has.
You calmly ignored my challenge to write in Nsibidi or produce someone who can...and ofcourse your reference was a whitey who again documented Nsibidi for you. LOL! You are not getting the joke my friend.

My comparison to the Europeans and Asians was to open your mind to the enduring nature of their cultures...something we Africans
sorely lack. The Bhagavad Gita, the Puranas, the Mayan codices (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_codices), Caesar's Gallic War commentaries, Ethiopian Amharic liturgy, Egyptian scrolls and hieroglyphs...are all available TODAY to be translated into any language.
The Maya codices quoted up there are available today...you can take a flight to either Yucatan or which ever European museum preserved the
scrolls and see for yourself.
The South Americas were probably ra.ped up to par with the Africans...yet their native written cultures and history survived.
So your excuse of European looting of African does not hold water. Why did ours not survive?
Heard about the Mayan prophecies in 2012?
I am yet to see any written sub saharan extant text available TODAY for translation. Maybe you can inform me better.
You did not even mention the Dogons of Mali and their astounding astronomical knowledge.
If you had, my question to you would have been...had the Frenchmen not documented their history and made it public...how would you an African have known about the Dogon? The Europeans,Egyptians, Babylonians even know about Sirius and worshiped the star.
Do you or any sub saharan ethnic group have any oral history of Sirius?
Help me out, give me the name for any of these planets in any African language or culture (Mars, Mercury, Venus or Jupiter).
Almost all known cultures that had a knowledge of astronomy or astrology can provide not only available astronomical texts but also give you the names of most of the planets.


You see, I had the same firebrand conviction of Afrocentrism...until I decided to face reality.
The world had left Africa behind...a long time ago.
Believe it or not...you are desperately trying to prove that Africans were up to par with the Asians and Europeans.
I am challenging you on that.
I an African, who has spent considerable time studying African history, culture, tradition, mysticism and esoteric beliefs.
My challenge to you is...prove to me that the world has not left Africa behind.
You can dare me on any aspect of African culture. I'm guessing you are the type who would run from a procession of native worshippers in your street. You strike me as the bookish type who would be scared silly at the sight of an Olokun possession trance.
Yet today, high ranking politicians in Africa and South Americas all troop to those who have that gift.
You probably have no idea how powerful a king like Ovomramwen was or what his Ishan priests were capable of doing.
Or what the Iya Agbas in the Alaafin's court were capable of manifesting.
These were men who held the power of life and death at a time when human sacrifices was a day to day affair of public life.
There were incredibly knowledgeable and powerful men and women we had who investigated and manipulated natural forces.
Yet they all fell apart like a part of cards at the appearance of a mere English "trading company".
You have no idea how angry that thought makes me.

Why am I pointing out all these to you?
My point...these men and their kingdoms/chiefdoms...were subjugated,dethroned,led away in chains,exiled and made to sign over their lands and resources in perpetuity to a foreign monarch who will probably never set foot in Africa!
Why? Why were they so easily colonized and their land, resources and people exploited?
What happened to their power and awesome technology?
I would have expected to hear of how Sango was invoked to stop the Europeans in their paths when they trespassed the borders of Oyo.
Or how Amadioha was called upon to strike dead the Europeans encroaching on Igbo hinterlands.
Or how the Hausas, Nupes and Fulanis proved whatever form of superiority they had when faced with 2 Maxim guns of the British forces.
Even the Ijebu kingdom did not fare any better. After sacrificing to the river goddess to ensure victory...their forces gave way to superior British military forces.
Goldie, an English trader bought up the whole of Nigeria from the Niger Delta to Sokoto...the title deed of your country...which the British
forced your fathers to sign over...at gun point and pain of death or exile...belongs to the British. Deal with that.
The Berlin Conference carved up your ancestral lands and that of your neighboring ethnic groups...they even named you what you bear today.
You are a Nigerian because an English trader and his wife fancied the name. And their monarch liked the idea.

I know you are an intelligent chap and can read meanings into to what I wrote up there.
Let me summarise my stand.
In terms of science, arts, technology, learning...the Europeans, Asians, American Indians have proved to be ahead of us Africans.
The Europeans out of all the races on the face of the earth have proved to have superior intellectual skills.
Their language, culture, science, religion (borrowed or not)...is the dominant influence on the planet.
They have a better documented history than us Africans. Their science and technology is way ahead of anything we have or seem to have had.
If you agree that the superior cannot bow to the inferior...they you can begin to understand why Africans generally have been at the bottom of the pole for centuries if not millenniums.
The culture of research and development, appreciation of beauty and order...which has consistently been lacking in Africa...is the bane of African development. You know the facts.
While the Europeans were busy charting the seas and oceans, charting the shorelines of continents...what were our ancestors doing?
Why are almost all African countries creations of European colonialists?
If we care to have any laudable history to our posterity 500 years from now...we need to come to grips with the reality of our situation.
And not just that...we Africans need to start doing our own thing. Do it our own way. How we want it. The exact way we like it.
We need to replace ignorance with concrete knowledge. Replace political weakness with strength. Develop our lands to modern standards and beyond...and take our rightful place on the world stage...on our own terms.
The Europeans, Asians, Arabs, Greeks, Assyrians, Egyptians all did it...their own way and left an enduring legacy.
We Africans can also do it and contribute our own quota to world history.
That is my point. Hope u got it this time.

SalamRushdie:
Liar Nigeria has one of the lowest average IQs in the world and that can't even be debated ...I hope you are not miscontruing breach of trust as intelligence .

Abjay97:
Restructuring this country wil work for us.. thats the simple truth.. We have tried parliamentary system, it never worked.. Now, presidential system still nothing..

IHate9jerianss:
Your posts on this thread have been very good.
Nigerians fret too much about Nigeria and the "black race".
Nigerians want Nigeria to develop at warp speed which is completely impossible.Do we know how old the nations of China,USA,Japan and France are?Argentina and Mexico are over 100years old yet they still have challenges worse than Nigeria.What had these nations i mentioned achieved when they were 60years old?They mention Singapore..how large is it?and what is the size of their human population?
I am now at peace because I know for sure,Nigeria will become a developed state in about the year 2150

DeepSight:
Bad example. Singapore is a homogeneous society. It thus has not had to deal with the level of conflict that we have had to deal with.

Such major conflicts are powerful stumbling blocks to development and progress. I am not aware that Singapore has fought a Civil War for example. But even if they had, it's still not the same as the level of complexity cannot be compared at all.

We are about 300 different nations crammed into one space. Merely achieving coherence will of course be a challenge.

Nigeria alone is more ethnically and linguistically diverse than the whole of Europe put together and this factor has a bearing on attaining national coherence. A very serious bearing.

So there's your answer. Please compare apples with apples next time. Do not compare us with places like Singapore; Qatar; Bahrain or the UAE.

darkelf:
Bro, I'm of the opinion that religion has done more harm than good to us.

People no longer want to work to fix their problems because one pastor has lied to them about a God of miracles that will fix all their problems, even the ones arising from laziness.

Even in MMA, the immigration officers are like vultures, both in looks and motives. I can't understand why blacks were created this way.

I always fantasize about our independence, how it would have been had the British stood their ground and refused to give it to us. If possible, by using brute force to crush all those so-called founding fathers. I bet you, we wouldn't be having it bad today

SoNature:
This comment reminds of Mr Sigh (I hope I got the spelling correctly!), an Indian production manager in a company I worked in eastern Nigeria.

Mr Sigh would always say that the day God shared d!cks, hips, and bress, Africans were everywhere asking for His blessing. But the day He shared brains, Africans were nowhere to be found.

franchasng:
Only fools believe that Nigeria and black African nations in general will become like Europe and America, no way!

Nigeria is doomed!

There is no foreseeable good future for Nigeria till Jesus Christ returns!

Buhari even made things worst by introducing Naira inflation due to poor handling of economy + increase in tribalism and Fulani herdsmen killing rampage increase.

Any Nigerian that want a better life should hustle, pray to your God if u have any and wait patiently for time and nature to favor you to either make it here and send your children out of here or you run away from here before the doomsday catches up with you!

I blame British government too for contributing to making Nigeria the hell of planet earth! >

nairaman66:
Nigeria is pretty screwed up in all entirety!! The good news is that people are beginning to realize that Nigeria is fvcked up big time!