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Estharfabian:
Why Are You telling Us this?

Precisely, who want to know? It is not something to be proud of. Sleeping with a lady you barely met within an hour just tell how low you will stoop for sex

Empiree:
I honestly think Albaqir should back off from chastising the first sahaba(RA). It's not healthy at all.All these so called Sunni ahadith albaqir got his references from are just literature. Doesnt make them all true. Just like Christian evangelists rely heavily on seerat of the prophet by Ibn Ishaq which is full of garbage. And Christians repy on it to castigate the prophet(SAW). But Ibn Isha's accusation are pretty much in conflict with Quran just like many ahadith quoted by baqir.

Ha, the Hadith AlBaqir quoted are in conflict with the Quran? Then why did your Muhadithun grade them Sahih? I hate to interrupt at this juncture but i believe Al Baqir has a very compelling case. The verse you keep drawing as vindication of Umar(Quran 9:100) did not rule that the sahabas were perfect on incorruptible, that God is pleased with one today is no guarantee that God will be pleased with him for ever. And for all we know, Umar may not even be one of the Sahabas addressed.

I have said it in the past and will say it again, traditional mainstream Muslims know nothing about their religion. Umar in many Hadith is depicted as a very blood thirsty and aggressive brute often willing to behead his opponent at the slightest provocation. I don't have the references at the moment but i will post the Hadith on this thread once i do. Umar and Abubakar 's aggressive military campaign that led to the fall of the Sassanid and most of the Byzantine empire turned traditional Islam to a invasive military ideology that legislate aggressive warfare to conquer and rule non-Muslim territories that is exemplified by groups like ISIS today

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Adaure4ever:
then why is the rate of unmarried ladies rising?

Because women have accepted sex before marriage. A lot of men are so addicted to this sex that they find marriage to be limiting on their sex option. If more and more women refuse sex before marriage, trust me, a lot of men will set their eyes on marriage and strive to become husband materials.

sexxydiva:
I hv to accept this Islam oath because I want to comments I have bn following this thread from the beginning. I only comment because of you

May I ask you this question

@usermane what is your contributions to this thread instead you only Criticize the OP?

I am a Christian and I knw almost all what the OP said above

I don't believe you Muslims beha

Look, i am a very busy person, i don't have time to be exchanging PM. I am only willing to consider that if the OP is capable of independent research and rational reading of Islamic texts, i don't see that in someone who copy and paste flawed articles.
I am a rational and critical kind of Muslim and as i stated, my major issue with the OP is that she posted an article without clear references from the scriptures. Still, no where in my post did i sound rude or disrespectful to the OP.

Here are some of her claims.

1. It is prohibited to bury a corpse at night.
Here is evidence against this claim of hers:

Sahih al-Bukhari » Book of Funerals
Hadith 140
Aisha said, "I went to Abu Bakr (during his fatal illness) and he asked me, 'In how many garments was the Prophet (ﷺ) shrouded?' She replied, 'In three Suhuliya pieces of white cloth of cotton, and there was neither a shirt nor a turban among them.' Abu Bakr further asked her, 'On which day did the Prophet die?' She replied, 'He died on Monday.' He asked, 'What is today?' She replied, 'Today is Monday.' He added, 'I hope I shall die sometime between this morning and tonight.' Then he looked at a garment that he was wearing during his illness and it had some stains of affron. Then he said, 'Wash this garment of mine and add two more garments and shroud me in them.' I said, 'This is worn out.' He said, 'A living person has more right to wear new clothes than a dead one; the shroud is only for the body's pus.' He did not die till it was the night of Tuesday and was buried before the morning."

Reports abound from traditional Muslim books of Hadith that Muhammad was buried at night and his first daughter was buried at night as well. http://sunnah.com/urn/1803760


2. The OP claimed that delaying the burial to await anyone is not proper and the burial must be conducted immediatey.

Again, see for yourselves;

Shama'il Muhammadiyah » The Death Of Sayyidina Rasoolullah
It is narrated from Imaam Muhammad Al-Baaqir Radiyallahu 'Anhu that Rasulullah Sallallahu 'Alayhi Wasallam passed away on Monday. This day and the day of Tuesday was spent in preparation for the burial. Rasulullah Sallallahu 'Alayhi Wasallam was buried on that night. (The night between Tuesday and Wednesday) Sufyaan who is a narrator of this hadith says:
''Only this has been mentioned in the narration of Imaam Baaqir Radiyallahu 'Anhu''. In other narrations it is stated that in the later portion of the night the sound of spades were heard.

So if it is true that Muslim corpse must be buried without delay, why was Muhammd 's corpse burial delayed? What stopped his companions from burying him as soon as he died, what kind of preparation delayed his burial?

3. The OP claimed that the corpse must be buried where death befell the man andd must not be transported elsewhere

See, how much the OP contradict her own traditions.

Home » Sunan an-Nasa'i » The Book of Funerals » Hadith 153
Abu Umamah bin Sahl bin Hunaif said:
"A poor woman in Al-Awali fell sick and the Prophet used to ask them about her. He said: 'If she dies, do not bury her until I have offered the funeral prayer for her. She died and they brought her to Al-Madinah after dark, and they found that the Messenger of Allah had gone to sleep. They did not like to wake him up, so they offered the funeral prayer for her and buried her in Baqi' Al-Gharqab. The next morning they came and the Messenger of Allah asked them about her. They said: 'She has been buried, O Messenger of Allah. We came to you and found you sleeping, and we did not like to wake you up.' He said: 'let's go.' He set out walking and they went with him and showed him her grave. The Messenger of Allah stood and they formed rows behind him, and he offered the funeral prayer for her, saying the Takbir four times."

We see clearly that this woman 's corpse was transported from her village Al-awali to the city, Medinah on instruction of Muhammad. She wasn't buried where she died and Muhammad was not concerned about this.

If it wasn't bad enough, the writer claimed that delaying the burial actually delays the bliss that await the dead if he lived a righteous life. To the writer, the dead cannot receive his reward till his corpse is buried. This is serious joke, what about those whose bodies were never buried, are they going to miss their reward because of this? I speak from verses of the scriptures(Quran 39:42 and 23:99-100), once a man is dead, there is no relationship or reconnection between his soul and body, the soul is taken to/by God and whether the corpse is buried at the instant of death or embalmed for years, it doesn't change anything. It has no effect on the man, soul or body.

Peace and Have faith

YakubuA:
The messenger of Allah pbuh was buried 2 days after he passed away. It took the Sahaba 2 days not 1 week to select the Khalifah and after that the messenger of Allah was buried. Under normal circumstance the maximum number of days burial can be delayed is 3 days as established by the consensus of the companions (Ijma'asSahab).

May Allah continue to guide us. Ameen.

Please present evidences from the Scriptures that 3 days is the limit to preserve a corpse before burial. We cannot accept a claim based on opinions(Ijma) of ancient fallible jurists.

Aminat508, it is too bad you keep copying and pasting articles without thoroughly researching them. I am not amazed that 70 Muslims already liked your post, if we had a real Muslim community where Muslims appreciate facts over dogmas, you would have second thought before posting an article filled with dogmas that aren't backed by the Scriptures.

The loopholes in your article have been exposed by earlier posters already, those who stand by empirical and rational understanding of Islam would rethink. Muhammad died on Monday and was not even buried till Tuesday night, this is what your own sacred Biographers of the Prophet and Qur'an exegetes explain. Fatimah, Muhammad 's own daughter was buried at night. Uthman bin Affan was not buried till after 3 days.

delectablegyal:
let the truth be told. If u toast him, he will see u as a fvck mate and ntn more.

There is no him. It is you. You speak for yourself, not others like me. You see ladies that woo you as Bleep mate.
I am not desperate for sex or addicted to sex, I won't exploit a woman that woo me. I have self respect and dignity

Isn't the OP aware we have sexuality section for this kind of threads?

Diddyydiva:
Who stays idle these days

A whole lot of ladies stay idle these days. Especially in Nigeria where young women have the leeway to forgo work at least till they marry.

Yes, say no to Barbie couch potato girls who select men by cash or job

1. "Lonely Day" by System of Down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnGdoEa1tPg


2. "Never Took The Time" by Akon, Konvict Album

It mean yet another woman has rejected you even after eating from your pocket and you should suck it up

Am sorry, my heart goes to you. Care to share with us the cause of your baby 's death? Was he sick?

Well, it prove the guy was only after sex the whole time. If he loved his fiancee he wouldn't send her packing. But at least the girl will move on and possibly meet someone who genuinely love her.

PS: I find it a bit disturbing that the posters so far seem to rebuke the girl. It clearly shows the degree of fornication among Nigerian youths is over the top.

Personally, I prefer romance to sex. I think way more about a sweet and loving wife than sex.

HAkorehdeh:
The hadith? Post it here please! The thread i think is already contaminated. People know whose post to read, thank God MrSino is here too..

Some people ain't helping sha

And the mods, Good job (ironically)! Lol

OK but please give me time to rest. I will post them in a couple of hours.

@MrOlai remind me of pot calling kettle black. Your own Ahlu sunnah sect ordain sex slavery of female captives. According to your own tradition, Muhammad had concubines in addition to his numerous wives. Muhammad married and cohabited with a 9 year old according to your tradition. I can post the Hadith if you want me.

The problem with you traditional Muslims is you don't know your religion, that is why you are quick to judge others.

osedvgirl:
I am in love with a nairalander, I don't know how to go about it, how to let him know without thinking am cheap, am in love oooooo, I want to stop been spoilt.


If he come to this thread I will give him signal and let him send me PM, I will reply him for real

You are in love with someone you never met? I will advise you to get to know him and trust him as a casual friend before opening up.

misspicy:
wait why are u forcing the bolded down my throat? did i at any time talk about that? did i say it is good to demand for items from a guy? and where did you see me having no qualms asking a guy for expensive things abeg you are just spewing english everywhere and confusing yoursef,can you see dat u just with your own hand change ur topic of discussion...... abeg am done here jor

OK, although I feel you don't really get the point. Maybe i wasnt clear enough. Anyway, thanks for your time.

And by the way, never mind impolite conclusion(@underlined). Nothing i cant handle.

JustOzito:
Op ur correct. The same way a woman might take the rejection is different from the way a man wud. I wish most men will try to understand and appreciate weneva a woman opens up to them. I also wish d society was more friendly to woman

Thank you, huge relief. You are the only lady that have confirmed my analysis and conclusion since I opened this thread.

misspicy:
do u realise that this is anoda topic of discuss entirely,common sense tells a lady somethings are wrong and i can't be defending a wrong topic,.....

It is the same topic. Unfortunately, you are missing the clear analogy; It is self contradictory to claim your reason for not asking guy is to not appear cheap, whereas you have no qualms about indulging in other things(demanding gifts from guys) that cast you as cheap for the same guys. I feel if women really don't want to be seen cheap, they would also abstain from gifts from men.

your main topic of discuss is about about ladies been afraid of rejection as the reason they wouldn't ask a guy out,i think you are wrong,read my post well and read d response of the said guys too,they don't want to be asked out....so what are we talking about

You keep referring to the posts of those guys which have nothing to do with the topic. You need to pragmatic. There are just too many guys out there that wish a lady or girl would ask them out. I mean decent guys, not perverts or assholes. The views of the guy you refer is not necessarily the view of most guys.

misspicy:
;P..so u read my post and did not respond

Sorry, this didn't occur to me earlier. You said the two excuses I tried to refute are the real reasons women don't ask out men. If this were true that women don't want to be seen cheap, why do you go on expensive dates and collect gifts from men. Isn't that cheap also?

yanabasee:
Free punnnna!!!

Look there is nothing funny about that response. So you are the one that @misspicy was refering to. No offence, but you must be bereft of dignity, sex starved and desperate for sex. And please, next time allow me answer my question, the question was not addressed to you.

JustOzito:
Hello everyone, pls I need advice. A course mate of mine have been disturbing me about a guy she has a crush on. She claims that she has caught dis guy staring at her on several occasions but weneva their eyes meet, he'll turn away. He smiles and always hold her hand wherever he sees her. We ar in our final year but she still thinks dis guy loves her. Currently she's not in a relationship because she feels it may b cheating on her crush. She ceases every opportunity to talk about dis guy. Pls note dat he's in d same school and faculty with her.
Am tired but I don't know if I should tell her to ask the guy out .
Lalasticala

I actually thought women say they are turned off shy guys. If your friend is serious and doesn't have the time to waste on green lights which the guy may not be able to read, she should just ask him. Assuming he accepts, if he truly love her, he would take the relationship serious and respect her for making the move. If he does not take the relationship serious and start acting like an ingrate, she should dump him quick before he does any damage.
It will be in her best interest to put off sex for a long while after asking him out and beginning the relationship, if he loves her he won't mind waiting even after marriage for sex. You 'd hate to learn he dumped your friend upon getting sex from her only two weeks after their relationship begun. Careful, desperate men will say yes to you merely to get sex.

I don't even believe in friendzone. You are either attractive or not attractive. And i can't see myself there either.

donephi:
So what is the primary reason

She said it is because guys take advantage of it. Maybe that is her personal reason, but i am doubt that the same goes for other women too.

missyadorable:
Naija guy chases a woman for days to weeks to months and asks her out

When she accepts, especially after he has entered her "promised land".things change!

He starts seeing her as who.re,cheap sl.ut n her value reduces.just because she gave in to his advances

I "sorry" for the woman who goes all out to ask a man out

Am very sorry cos by the time he is done "chopping" and bashing her,her life will not remain the same.

I beg you to stop derailing the thread and address the bone of contention, Is fear of rejection not the prime factor witholding you or not? Forget about those women that ask out men.

MzNelly:
It's not like we're scared of rejection.

Let's be frank. We are women, and with the right use of words and adequate body language, it would be near impossible for a guy to just turn us down.

You sure can bet your allowance on this?

The only reason why we steer clear of that is because the guy or most guys, are certain to take advantage of it

But guys that ask you out can certainly still take advantage of it. Which lead me to conclude that fear of rejection is the prime reason

Laveda:
Nice question.
I, Personally can't ask a guy out...with the way these Naija dudes see things? Hell No.
I'll rather make it obvious I like him than going ahead to ask him out....

Kinda funny though.

Read and digest the original post again. There is nothing good about rexkexmilan 's questions at all. His question is not relevant to the topic, I am analysing and proferring reasons why women don't make the first move and he comes here asking me how i will access a girl that ask me out?