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 Islam › Re: Qur'an: The Iron(57) by usermane(op): 9:04pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
[57:12] The day will come when you see the believing men and women with their lights radiating ahead of them and to their right. Good news is yours that, on that day, you will have gardens with flowing streams. You will abide therein forever. This is the great triumph. |
| Islam › Re: Qur'an: The Iron(57) by usermane(op): 9:02pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
None of our possesions truely belong to us. Everything we own come from God who commands of us to spend out of them in His course. Although we are all rewarded handsomely for spending in His cause, the reward for spending in the infant and delicate stage of establishment of His course topples that of spending at the later or older phases when the course is virtually established. To start is more difficult than to take over, a task begun is half completed. For instance, those among the pioneer muslims that contrbuted in spread and defence of God 's system earn more than those contributors to Islam in succeeding generations. This is for the fact that, the risks, the resistances that the early muslims faced were harder than those of the later generations. |
| Islam › Re: Qur'an: The Iron(57) by usermane(op): 9:01pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
[57:10] Why do you not spend in the cause of GOD, when GOD possesses all wealth in the heavens and the earth? |
| Islam › Re: Qur'an: The Iron(57) by usermane(op): 8:50pm On Aug 20, 2014*. Modified: 9:27pm On Aug 20, 2014 |
Empiree: @bold is what brings about Kilafah (Caliphate) which you do not acknowledged (Peace! [Quran 10:108]Even Muhammad, the Head of the Medina state, the Prophet at that time was only a warner, not an authority or guardian to enforce what is Islamic and so how can you tell us that the Islamic state has this right if at all the state in question judge by the Quran? Your concept of Islamic state is similar to the recent IS and Taliban of the late 90s. It open doors to tyranny, oligarchy, oppression and hypocrisy since by forcing every muslim to comply with virtually everything in Islam, one doesn't neccessarily practice out of conviction but out of compulsion by the state. Isn't this relative to compelling people to embrace Islam? What if the state 's interpretation of Islam is wrong? And then where does God 's trial for believers come in? Empiree: Is "huruf" your ID on your website (in your signature)?No, am not huruf. Lets just keep it that simple. |
| Islam › Re: What Benefits Has Islam Brought To Nigeria? (muslims only, please) by usermane(m): 10:25am On Aug 20, 2014 |
Ok, let me brainstorm. This is a brainer. 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Qur'an: The Iron(57) by usermane(op): 9:17pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
Although, Christians, Jews Zoroastrians and Pagans in those days held false perception of God, they all agree that God is a Superhuman being Who created them and all in existence. So, when a man came calling with an entirely different perception of God as outlined in the Quran, there were doubts about his authenticity. And thus, upon defining Himself, God affirms that He, the One whom they all "claim to believe in" is the One sending His servant(Messenger) to lead into the light. Out of His infinite compassion, God sends his messenger to rescue men from drowning in superstitions, enslavement in tyranny, regressing in dogmas or withering in idolatry. |
| Islam › Re: Qur'an: The Iron(57) by usermane(op): 9:16pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
[57:8] Why should you not believe in GOD when the messenger is inviting you to believe in your Lord? He has taken a pledge from you, if you are believers. |
| Islam › Re: Qur'an: The Iron(57) by usermane(op): 9:12pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
Next, God commands of us to acknowledge Him, the Sovereign, the Creator, Alpha and Omega and the One with knowledge of everything. To do so, we must believe in His messenger who relays the divine message to us. That been done, man is commanded to spend out of what God has bestowed him with; health, time, wealth in assisting or serving the course of good. God isn't in need of this spending, man 's neighbours among whom are poor and needy benefits from these spendings and above all, a handsome reward awaits those who spend in the course of good, be it donating alms, comforting the stranded or catering for the sick. |
| Islam › Re: Qur'an: The Iron(57) by usermane(op): 9:11pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
[57:7] Believe in GOD and His messenger, and give from what He has bestowed upon you. Those among you who believe and give (to charity) have deserved a great recompense. |
| Islam › Re: Qur'an: The Iron(57) by usermane(op): 9:07pm On Aug 18, 2014*. Modified: 9:23pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
God introduces Himself, His sovereignty over everything or matter. That includes His kingship over heaven and earth, control of life and death, merging of night into day and day into night. God created the universe in 6 days, contrary to the Judeo-Christian reports, it is never mentioned in the final testament that God rested after creation. God assumed authority after creating the universe with full knowledge of everything including our innermost thoughts! |
| Islam › Re: Qur'an: The Iron(57) by usermane(op): 9:06pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
[57:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful |
| Islam › Qur'an: The Iron(57) by usermane(op): 9:04pm On Aug 18, 2014*. Modified: 9:20pm On Aug 18, 2014 |
"The Iron" is the title of the 57th chapter of the Qur'an which posses 29 verses. The Chapter explains God 's unique attributes, His handwork in nature, requirements of man to attain salvation and man 's final abode in the hereafter depending on his deeds on earth. A marked point of this thread is the analysis of the 26th verse of the chapter which on scrutiny reveals a miraculous mix of scientific and mathematical facts. We start with the first six verses. |
| Islam › Re: Pened Response To The Uyghurs'(muslims) Cries by usermane(op): 7:26am On Aug 18, 2014*. Modified: 2:06pm On Sep 17, 2018 |
Empiree: @ Usermane, take a look. Close to what i was talking about....Peace Empiree, you keep talking about tax. You 've been beating about the bush. Tax has nothing to do with Jizya. If am wrong, you should atleast give the theological base of your interpretation of Jizya from the Quran or Hadith. I "ll be opening a thread on this subject later on and i hope you won't wind up throwing incessant tantrum once again. UPDATE: Jizya & Zakat thread. |
| Islam › Re: Why Islam In Northern Nigeria Is Different From The South by usermane(m): 9:44pm On Aug 12, 2014 |
The root of this issue is a mix of fallacies and extremism on the part of the northern muslims. In fact i opened a thread on a related topic where i exposed some of these extreme and irrational views among the hausas, how they 've illegitimately become norms and how unislamic they are in the spirit of Quran. But the fanatics would rather construe the topic as an attempt to bash hausa muslims than face the criticisms and refutations, thus my thread was deleted. Yoruba muslims seem more tolerants because they value western education. They don't teach and glorify extremist ideals as the northerners do. The same can't be said of the northerners whose sermons and lessons strongly emphasize evil in democracy, idolatry in national constitution, responsibility of the muslims in forming the Islamic state and the obligation on muslims to cut themselves away from non-muslims or anything that has to do with them. 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Pened Response To The Uyghurs'(muslims) Cries by usermane(op): 10:58am On Aug 11, 2014 |
Empiree: But honestly, i see no reason for you to keep holding muslims in negative manner.This is an overstatent. Have i ever implied all muslims are negative? There are moderates, apologists and extremists and i know that. I believe most muslim faults boils from ignorance than ill will. Although this ignorance is the root of all the charges of extremism and backwardness that Islam faces. So, on one hand i wount class all muslims as negative beings but solemnly i stand firm on the position most of the problems with Islam or the muslims is from the muslims themselves especially the orthodox ones. Question: This is personal. Do please answer clearly. Thanks. There are 5 tenetsOpen another thread please, we can't derail this thread. |
| Islam › Re: Pened Response To The Uyghurs'(muslims) Cries by usermane(op): 9:54am On Aug 11, 2014*. Modified: 10:24am On Aug 11, 2014 |
Empiree: ii- Zakat, remember thereYou forgot to add that Sunni creed permit fighting those who refuse to pay zakat. That is is the ijma of most of your clergies. Yes, there is voluntary and there is Obligatory Zakat. But, i maintain there is no compulsion in religion (2:256). Just as the state has no right to compel muslims to perform salat or fast in Ramadan, it has no right to compel any muslim to give Zakat. Whether one gives or not, his reckoning is with God alone. Those areas where the state can interfere in the name of Islam and punish offenders have already been outlined in the Qur'an. iii- Jizya, agree. Question,Well, ISIS currently demand Jizyah from non-muslims. Either that or they face persecution. You may not recognise ISIS but ISIS is only keeping with Sunni religious texts. Then again, who cares if today 's Islamic states haven't been extorting Jizya? It remain a fact that Sharia law demand tax from non-muslims and this alone warrant condemnation. Non-muslims may liveAgreed, as long as face-veil ban in France is accepted. The state has the right to enforce moral codes but there is are limits. Stationing moral police to harrass women for letting out strands of their hair is totally over the limit and anti Quranic. I dont think you everHidden taxes? I doubt but won't deny the reality. But am here to point the Quran, not to point secular west as utopia. |
| Islam › Re: Pened Response To The Uyghurs'(muslims) Cries by usermane(op): 4:25am On Aug 11, 2014 |
Empiree: Qns: what's yourTax: An amount of money you must pay the government according to your income. Zakat: Money or gifts from one 's earning given to the poor or needy, prescribed at regular intervals. Jizya: Reparation mandated on war aggressors after their defeat, for the collateral damages they caused. No much correlation. Let me guess, you are driving at defining Jizyah as an alternative of Zakat for non-muslims. Well, zakat isn't tax that is the right of the government. Like Salat, Zakat is left at the hands of the individual to comply or not comply. Government may penalise defaulters when it comes to tax but giving Zakat cannot be enforced by government. No compulsion in religion. Jizya though like a tax can be enforced, but it is not permanent like the latter and has a very different goal from Zakat. |
| Islam › Re: Pened Response To The Uyghurs'(muslims) Cries by usermane(op): 4:20am On Aug 11, 2014 |
Empiree: Note: If you are Resident (Greencard) for 5 yrs and paid no tax, you cant getYou 've got it, what has religion got to do with this? What thing in this sense does the Islamic state need to protect that warrant extorting money from non-muslims else the latter has to be fought? Well, the tax supposedly qualifies the foreigners and citizens full rights but the Jizyah does not. There is no basis for this tax in the Qur'an which the "Islamic state" claims to source its decrees. A deep understanding of the context of Qur'an 9:1-30 and the meaning of the arabic wor "jizyah" rubbishes the teaching that non-muslims are to be charged periodically for residing in the Islamic state. Even if we were to agree that Jizya is a tax meant to earn non-muslims their rights, this can easily be refuted by the fact that dhimmis remain largely disenfranchised and subjugated under Sharia. |
| Islam › Re: Pened Response To The Uyghurs'(muslims) Cries by usermane(op): 7:32pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
kazlaw2000: Are the Uyghurs advocating for Sharia?Have you ever met any community of orthodox muslims that do not seek to establish an 'Islamic' state? The uyghur have been vocal in demands for autonomy and implementing Sharia in Xingjiang or even better but covertly, the separation and formation of Eastern Turkestan republic(Sharia state). kazlaw2000: I thought they are complaining of marginalisation by the Chinese govt. The Chinese govt. is also relentlessly trying to make them a minority in their province by 'importing' the Hans.I do not deny the marginalisation of the uyghur or excessive importation of Hans to Xinjiang at the expense of the uyghur. However, those are secondary constraints if you ask the uyghur. At the fore of the cries is the restriction imposed on their religious practices by the Chinese authorities and that is exclusively the bone of contention here. PEACE. |
| Islam › Re: Pened Response To The Uyghurs'(muslims) Cries by usermane(op): 6:18am On Aug 10, 2014*. Modified: 7:47pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
If you are going to fight back the imposition of restrictions on your religious practices by the Chinese authority, then you honestly have to reject sharia totally or atleast those aspects that restricts and limit certain rights and liberties of non-muslims/dhimmis under an Islamic state. Otherwise, you 'll become big time hypocrites. That is a decent word from an ex-orthodox muslim blessed enough to isolate the original message of Islam{THE QUR'AN} from the piles of distortions and fabrications introduced into it via seconadary sources{HADITH, SUNNAH, IJMA, TAFSEER} to this day. I hope and pray you posses the decency and gut to keep this word atleast for your own good. PEACE USERMANE |
| Islam › Re: Pened Response To The Uyghurs'(muslims) Cries by usermane(op): 6:17am On Aug 10, 2014*. Modified: 6:35am On Aug 10, 2014 |
Only the first and only true Islamic state established by the Prophet granted equal rights and liberties to both muslims and non-muslims and that was because secularism was adopted. For instance, Jizyah is never a tax levied on non-muslims in an Islamic state. Jizyah is reparation mandated on aggressors after war attacks and damages on an Islamic state(Quran 9:29). The usurption of this state by proceeding generations of fanatic muslims during the ummayad and abbasid reigns marked by gradual distortion of Islamic values and principles would later produce the mainstream model of an Islamic state: an anti Quranic, islamofascist totalitarian system designed to constrain muslims(especially women), while subjugating non-muslims. |
| Islam › Re: Pened Response To The Uyghurs'(muslims) Cries by usermane(op): 6:15am On Aug 10, 2014 |
Come to think of it, the Chinese authorities' restrictions on your religious practices are temporary, mutable and negotiable thus your rights can be restored at any point but your Sharia or Islamic state 's restrictions on dhimmis is permanent, immutable and un-negotiable according to your ideology and thus, not even the slightest hope exist for the dhimmis. |
| Islam › Re: Pened Response To The Uyghurs'(muslims) Cries by usermane(op): 6:13am On Aug 10, 2014*. Modified: 6:40am On Aug 10, 2014 |
Now being the disenfranchised, the status quo feels intolerable and islamophobic but a reversal of the roles wouldn't leave the dhimmis in a better state. Infact the state of dhimmis under the sharia state is worse off than your current state under the Chinese authorities. Even though under persecutions of the Church or Crusaders, non-muslims have sought cover in Islamic states through the middle ages, dhimmis have always lived in endurance and as second class citizens in sharia or Islamic states. |
| Islam › Re: Pened Response To The Uyghurs'(muslims) Cries by usermane(op): 6:12am On Aug 10, 2014 |
Undoubtedly, "YES" is your response to these questions. There lies the root of your problem; DOUBLE THINKING. I mean, if today the British government stopped the use of speakers in London mosques, you 'll all cry "foul, enemies of Islam, islamophobia", yet at the same time you find it perfectly just that non-muslims in Saudi Arabia aren't even permitted to expand their old temple to accommodate more worshippers. Why? Because Allah has ordained it? 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Pened Response To The Uyghurs'(muslims) Cries by usermane(op): 6:11am On Aug 10, 2014 |
Isn't it a statement of fact that::: all orthodox muslims generally believes in establishment of sharia state? all non-muslims(dhimmis) under these states cannot build new temples or preach publicly? the testimony of a non-muslim by virtue of his beliefs is worth less than a muslim? that non-muslims under these states must pay periodic tax or face dire consequences? |
| Islam › Re: Pened Response To The Uyghurs'(muslims) Cries by usermane(op): 6:10am On Aug 10, 2014 |
Dear Uyghurs Beyond Fired Sentiments In the strongest terms, i condemn the imposition of restrictions on your religious practice by the Chinese authorities. Although i find your interpretation of Islam rather radical, in accordance with the Scriptures, i advocate for full freedom of religious practice for all provided non is hurt in the course. But make no mistake, my condemnation of the Chinese authority is no indication of my sympathy for you. What i have basically done is condemn imposition of restrictions on religious practices in compliance with Quranic principles. Far be it for me to take your side on this one. Here is why.... |
| Islam › Re: Pened Response To The Uyghurs'(muslims) Cries by usermane(op): 6:08am On Aug 10, 2014 |
NB: Because Hui muslims suffer no govermental restriction on their religious practices, it is more accurate to state that the Chinese authorities are anti-uyghur and suppress uyghurs' religious practices than to declare the authorities as islamophobes hindering the practice of Islam in China. |
| Islam › Re: Pened Response To The Uyghurs'(muslims) Cries by usermane(op): 6:07am On Aug 10, 2014*. Modified: 7:40pm On Aug 10, 2014 |
Unlike their muslim counterparts(hui), the uyghur have ever lacked a feel or belonging to the Chinese state, consequently they are often distant, marginalised and held in suspicion by the Chinese authorities who regard them as embodiments of extremism, separatism and terrorism. In bid to sinicize the uyghur and forestall any future attempt at separation from them, Chinese authorities imposes strict restrictions on their religious practices; the common and strongest factor bonding members of the tribe. |
| Islam › Re: Pened Response To The Uyghurs'(muslims) Cries by usermane(op): 6:06am On Aug 10, 2014 |
Turkic speaking tribes used to control the Xinjiang region of modern China in the Middle ages. The region fell under the control of the uyghur khanate in the 9th century, the uyghur are central asian muslims and by 1884 the region was invaded and claimed by the Chinese. Twice afterwards, the uyghur broke away and declared independence but the Chinese would later reclaim the region and control it till date. 1 Like |
| Islam › Pened Response To The Uyghurs'(muslims) Cries by usermane(op): 6:02am On Aug 10, 2014 |
Around the golden age(7th Century) of Islam, persian and arab merchants stopped at China to trade, some of whom settled there and inter-married native Chinese. They are the ancestors of the hui people in China today. The hui are predominantly muslims, sinicized and have fully blended their religion with Chinese culture overtime. Today, the hui live in peace, enjoying full freedom to practice their beliefs like any other Buddhist or Christian Chinese. |
| Islam › Re: The Consequences Of Not Challenging The Islamic State by usermane(m): 9:09am On Aug 07, 2014 |
BetaThings: Where do you get your stories from?No Betathings, these aren't stories you could read in Al-Azhar library, there are no "true stories" today, all we have left is conjecture. Isn't that why Sunni history varies from Shia 's? You may try out--- ISLAM: TRUE HISTORY AND FALSE BELIEFS(Available in pdf). I read a vast array of writings; orthodox, unorthodox, shiite, sunni, muslims', non-muslims' and try grinding facts from conjectures by employing the Quran, pragmatism and rationalisation. |
| Islam › Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by usermane(m): 9:00am On Aug 07, 2014*. Modified: 11:29am On Aug 07, 2014 |
BetaThings: Here we go againWhy haven't you discussed the hadith i quoted? Rather, in your bid to escape reality you 've started raising false alarm on Islamophobia. From my understanding the hadith rules that only a muslim 's blood and property is sacred enough not to be spilled or taken, thus permitting Islamist terrors against non-muslims. That alone, renders all the condemnations in the OP as window dressing. Please shed light on the hadith. Lastly, there is no enemy of Islam here other than you who prefer window dressing than to confront the theological basis of terrorism in orthodox Islam. And that brings me to a point, i consider you guys as practising Islam just as i consider a quack practicing medicine. Please, the last time i check, ISLAM IS NOT SYNONYMOUS WITH ORTHODOX ISLAM. 3 Likes |
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