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Islam › Re: Why Do Muslims Pray 5 Times A Day? by usermane(m): 5:07pm On Jul 02, 2014
beejaay: @Maclatunji why did u have to hide my posthuh did i insult anyone there or did i insult islam...u and this ur dictatorial tendency...Seun dey don dey come again ooooo
because, most likely your post doesn't fit well with his ideology. He deleted my post two months ago and banned me for one month. He accused me of posting a tafsir out of context. This is not true, infact i left at the end of my post, the links to the webpage of the full tafsir.
Gaming › Re: Predict: What's The Next Poster Putting On? by usermane(m): 1:48pm On Jul 02, 2014
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Gaming › Re: Predict: What's The Next Poster Putting On? by usermane(m): 1:46pm On Jul 02, 2014
This should be in forum games
Foreign Affairs › Re: Iranian Child Bride Facing Execution For Killing Abusive Husband by usermane(m): 1:39pm On Jul 02, 2014
Apparently, she had no option of filing a divorce if she had to kill this husband.
Sports › Re: Nigeria Vs France: Who Is Your Man Of The Match? by usermane(m): 8:04pm On Jun 30, 2014
brownlord: Useless Ghanians even with the 3 million your president brought you guys still crash out like sosoliso, may be he wanted to come bribe your way through. Idiat
Good response, it mean some Ghanians have been praying for us to lose. Anyway i don't see Nigeria making it out of the group stage if they were in a group with USA, Portugal and Germany.
Sports › Re: Nigeria Vs France: Who Is Your Man Of The Match? by usermane(m): 7:23pm On Jun 30, 2014
[quote author=Bright_id]YOBO[/quote]aha, was he not the one demanding for increased appearance fees shortly before the tournament?
TV/Movies › Re: My-name-is-khan Fan Page by usermane(m): 10:38am On Jun 29, 2014
The strength of the movie is that, while it tried to potray muslims as more human and peaceful individuals than the extremists and terrorists that the West and the media tend to relate them to, it remind us that the extremists still have a strong influence in the body of the religion and muslim community as a as a whole.

Recall that scene where Khan was stabbed by one of those terrorists plotting in the mosque whom he had snitched on. It pictured the muslim world finely. There is so much sick teachings among muslims today, once you as a muslim decide to reject and debunk them based on your discovery of the falsehood behind them, you 'll earn yourself bitter enemity from your so called brothers.
Take a look at the Sudanese sentenced to death for apostacy by a Sharia court earlier this year. Many muslims protested against it, but it didn't change anything because those behind the sentence, behind the court have more power and exert more influence than the so called peaceful muslims against the sentence.
Sports › Re: Super Eagles: The Insult Is Beyond Belief by usermane(m): 6:39pm On Jun 28, 2014
lagtech: Bosnia was better than
us? Seriously? -yet we scored 2 goals against Argentina and they
did not? Yet we won and they lost?
this is poor citation.
They conceded just two goals to Argentina but we conceded 3.
They score 3 goals against Iran and we scored none.
Our victory over them was controversial, Dheko had his goal incorrectly ruled out. Otherwise, Bosnia would have qualified.
Sports › Re: How Did You Celebrate Nigeria's Qualification To The Round Of 16 by usermane(m):
Celebrate what? A controversial qualification to knock out round?
Who forgot Dzeko 's incorrectly disallowed goal against Super Eagles?

Let me tell you, If it were not for officiating error Nigeria would have attained just 2 points and Bosnia would have qualified alongside Argentina with 4 points.
Celebrate all you want but there is nothing special in reaching the round of 16. Cameroon(1990), Ghana(2010) and Senegal(2002) made it to quarter final in the past, a feat that Keshi 's Eagles cannot replicate because given the right condition Eagles will be back home already. Justice will be served when France knock the Eagles into oblivion on Monday.

The only African team worthy of celebration is Algeria, they were the only one competent enough to qualify to the next round with 4 points without the help of the referee.
Islam › Re: Misconception: Death For Apostasy by usermane(m):
cloudstar: If they are there:

1. Please provide the Surah and verses so we can confirm
2. If the instruction to travel to Mecca of the Hajj is in the Quran, please state it

Remember, please state exactly where it says - pray 5 times and day and travel to Mecca for the Hajj as well. We are not referring to the Quran MENTIONING those words but a clear instruction. You are here talking about the Quran mentioning; I am talking about the instruction to pray 5 times and travel to the Hajj as a tenant that is clearly stated and taught in the Hadith.

All the Sunni and Shia schools of jurisprudence agrees that apostates should be killed and so does the Hadiths. Coming here to claim otherwise means you don't read your Hadith Bros.

Al-Bukhari is ONE OF THE MOST AUTHENTIC HADITHS and sources of Sunnah that every muslim follows. It is only muslims like yourself who wants to score cheap religious points will ignore the Hadiths. Since you wanted a verse from the Quran to prove instruction to kill apostates, here you go for your reading pleasure smiley

Surah (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."

I encourage you to read your Quran Oga
Guy, do you believe that Prophet Muhammad splitted the moon miraculously as hadiths books states?
Obviously you don't. Why then do you wish to force others to believe that Muhammad ordered killing of apostates as hadiths books states?

Muhammad never taught salat/prayer or hajj/pilgrimage as you think, these rites were nothing new in the arab community when Muhammad became a Prophet, it is just that simple. You can search the entire hadith corpus(that is if you can ever finish sifting through the uncountable narrations in your life), non of them provide a full detail of the salat as is commonly known, rather they consists of brief accounts of persons who claimed to has seen the Prophet prayed. I talked about this in my last thread, check that out.

One reason why u want muslims to stick with hadiths is because you LOVE hadiths. Just like Ali Sina, Robert Spencer and other figures campaigning against muslims, you love the hadith books as much as sunnis and shiites do, infact you are even more versed in hadiths than the average traditional muslims. You love the hadiths because they provide you a lot of points in your arguement against Islam. Whenever you want to depict Islam as a religion of hate, violence, misorgyny and backwardness, you have countless hadiths at your disposal for clarification. You know fully well that if we stick to the Qur'an alone, you 'll have no arguement.

Well, i got bad news for you, dude. The Qur'an condemn hadiths by name in several instances, warn us to avoid them and inform us that Quran is clear, fully detailed and is God 's only message through Muhammad(Qur'an 5:48-49, 6:19, 6:112-116, 12:111, 54:17, 45:6)
Also i recommend three books for you:

1. Hadith: A Re-evaluation
By Kassim Ahmed.

2. The Qur'an: Sufficient as a Source of Islamic Legislation.
By Dr. Ahmed Subhi Mansour.

3. Hadith As Scripture.
By Aisha Musa.

All are available in pdf on google, for free.

PS: The verse you cited deal with war, not apostacy. It talk about hypocrites turning their back and fighting the believers. Nothing in it specify killing apostates. Don't stick with only one translation, check out different translations to minimize translators' errors.
Islam › Re: Misconception: Death For Apostasy by usermane(m): 12:21pm On Dec 31, 2013
Fkforyou: Wat an intresting debate,I think this issue/misconception should be clearly sorted out so that most peepz like us can learn,but it seems the debate has bin one-sided.
Peace!
People who practice evil can never hold a debate with people who strive for morality. Neither can people who cling to dogmas hold an intellectual or moral debate. I have met similar traditional muslims face to face. They all want to preach Traditional Islam as a peaceful religion, but let me tell you, as soon as you bring up the issues like death for apostacy, you note their contradictions. They cannot withstand an intellectual debate with an atheist, not to talk of someone who utilise the scripture explicitly. Their Hadiths books, which have succeeded in deviating them from the scripture is their kryptonite.
Islam › Re: Misconception: Death For Apostasy by usermane(m):
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Islam › Re: Misconception: Death For Apostasy by usermane(m): 11:53am On Dec 31, 2013
Coco diva: This topic is neither a misconception,nor is it open for debate. The issue of apostasy in Islam is clear. It is death in an islamic state. It is amazing how people who claim to be muslims,but in reality are outside the fold of Islam either knowingly or unknowingly to them go around misleading people and throwing doubts into their hearts concerning the deen. I'm not surprised anyway,when it involves people that belittle the hadith of the prophet (SAW) , and those who rely upon the Qur'an alone as their source of guidance. I smell deviant sects around! You lots should seek repentance of Allah and ask for guidance from Him.
Your post really threw me for a loop. So, i will like it, after posting this.

Well, can't say much but i 'll post a few verses now. Cos i know that if i just leave down only the references, most people will not go and look it up as they should. These verses describe very much traditional muslims, who adhere to an anti-quranic religion and condone the killing of apostates, justifying it with God.

Quran 7:28
And when they commit evil, they say: "We found our fathers doing it, and God has commanded it on us." Say: Nay, God never commands evil. Do you say about God what you know not?"

Only disbelievers and cruel people kill apostates. The kind of disbelievers that stood with pharoah against Moses, the kind of disbelievers that put Abraham in the fire, the kind of disbelievers that conspired to persecute Jesus, the kind of disbelievers that evicted Muhammad from Makkah.

Disbelievers always feel like gods, that is why they feel the need to kill anyone who suddenly turn away from their beliefs.
Disbelievers always exhibit an holier than thou attitude, that is why they feel the urge to kill apostates. Disbelievers always have skeletons in their cupboards, that is why in order to spare their reputation, they kill apostates. Disbeliever never live by the scripture, hence they kill apostates.
Disbelievers are always wicked people, hence they kill apostates.
Disbelievers are hypocrites, that is why they publicly preach peace, but death for apostates behind closed doors.

Are you in support of death for apostacy or not?
Do you believe in the Quran or not?

Peace.
Islam › Re: For Those Considering To Leave Islam for Christianity by usermane(m): 10:28pm On Dec 29, 2013
Peace.
Check these out, babs787 et al.

Sahih muslim, book of punishment, no. 4191
The Prophet punished married adulterers by flogging them 100 lashes and stoning them to death.

Sahih muslim Book of Iman No. 349
God laughs

Sahih muslim Book of Salat no. 1032
A man 's prayer nullified if a woman, donkey or dog passes his front.

Sahih Muslim Book of Repentance no. 6666, 6668
Jews and Christians will replace Muslims in hell and bear the penalty for the muslims' sin.

Sahih Muslim Bk of marriage no. 3425
The prophet ordered a woman to suckle an adult man.

Bukhari Vol. 8, Book 82, 8.794
The prophet punished murderers by cutting off their hands and feet, branding their eyes with hot iron and leaving them to die in the desert.

Sahih bukhari, book of marriage, no.64
The prophet married Aisha at the age of six and consummated the marriage when she was nine.

Sahih bukhari, Vol. 7, book of marriage, no. 6
The prophet used to have sexual relations with all his 9 wives in a single night.

Sahih bukhari, vol. 7, book of marriage, no. 52
The prophet legalised temporary marriage for the sake of lust.

Sahih bukhari, vol 8, book of oath and vows, no. 654
God put His "foot" over the hell fire, so it becomes full.

Sahih bukhari, book of marriage, vol. 8, no. 30,31.
If there is evil omen in anything, it is in the house,woman or donkey.

Sahih Bukhari, vol. 1, book 5, no. 277.
Prophet Moses naked!

Sahih Bukhari, book of dealing with apostates, vol. 9, no. 57.
The prophet legalised killing of apostates.

These are just a sample. Enough to arouse one curiousity for investigating the validity of the hadiths books.
Peace
Islam › Re: For Those Considering To Leave Islam for Christianity by usermane(m): 6:17pm On Dec 29, 2013
babs787: @Usermane

Please I would like to have a clear understanding of who a traditional muslim is.



Good point.


Brother, kindly read through

Quran 5 v 54: O ye who believe! If any from among you turn back from his faith, soon will Allah produce a people whom He (Allah) will love as they will love Him lowly with the believers, Mighty against the rejecters, fighting in the way of Allah, and never afraid of the reproachers of such as find fault. That is the Grace of Allah which He will bestow on whom He (Allah) pleaseth. And Allah encompasseth all, and He knoweth all things.

We did not read "kill apostate" in the above verse.

Quran 3 v 90: But those who reject faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of faith never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have (of set purpose) gone astray.

Quran 4 v 137: Those who believe, then reject faith, then believe (again) and (again) reject faith, and go on increasing in unbelief,- Allah will not forgive them nor guide them nor guide them on the way.

In fact, there are lots of people who converted to other faith and still living.



Sir, please who are traditional Muslims and kindly come up with their teachings you mentioned.



Sir, we would see how smart you really are.



Please can you share part of those teachings with me as am a seeker of truth?
Of course you are right by quoting the Qur'an and that has been my concern so far. You just quoted those verses for the sake of this thread. The question is, do traditional muslims accept them over any hadith that contradict them? Nope! Atleast from my experience traditional muslims kill apostates, i watched a video on that way back. Pretty bloody, wouldn't wanna talk about it. You should pls take a look at this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/1510032/misconception-death-apostasy

Please read the whole thread, perhaps you may want to ask tbaba and his possé in their little old club house why they they believe in killing of apostates inspite of the verses you have cited.
Islam › Re: For Those Considering To Leave Islam for Christianity by usermane(m): 5:55pm On Dec 29, 2013
Peace.
@babs787, a traditional muslim is a muslim who accept traditions/narrations compiled centuries after Muhammad 's death as divine authority besides the Qur'an.
I think you misunderstood the whole of my posts and maybe DMainMan did too. Qur'an 6:103 tells us that non can envision God, thus Muhammad cannot be said to have ascended to heaven and discussed with God for the numbers of daily salat, neither can Abu hurayra be believed as reported by sahih bukhari that God has limbs.

I 'll expand on these later.
Islam › Re: Misconception: Death For Apostasy by usermane(m): 5:37pm On Dec 29, 2013
My dear Muslim friend, by now you should have read this thread. Don't take this as an attack on your beliefs. Rather, consider it a challenge to get to the root and unravel the truth. You can't continue chanting, "Islam is Peace, No compulsion in religion" but simulatenously advocate death for apostasy. You can't condemn christians for killing apostates while supporting muslims for killing apostates. You can't keep whinning about Islamophobes while you keep killing apostates. These are contradictions. If you are good, non muslims will admit it, not necessarily in your presence.

Please don't bother justifying this Muslims' unholy practice by quoting from the old testament, you 'll only be condemning yourself to a life of denial and hypocrisy. It doesn't change the fact that killing apostates is a satanic practice.
Please, don't be lured by hadiths(Quran 7:185, 31:6 or 45:6) or mullahs(Qur'an 7:28-29, 9:31,34), there is no death for apostasy in Islam because there is no compulsion in religion(Quran 2:256, 4:137).

Peace.
Islam › Re: For Those Considering To Leave Islam for Christianity by usermane(m): 1:13pm On Dec 29, 2013
true2god: @ Rilwayne001 ur response is a typical response of a muslim anytime their falsehood and wickedness is being exposed, the next thing is to open the bible, quote wars bw the Jews and their neighbour (at the pre-islamic era). Coming back to Nigeria, u will agree with me that uthman dan fodio spread Islam in the north via war and lootin of the hausas, to establish the Islamic caliphate there. And currently they wanna replicate same style in plataeu and benue state but its too late, the world has moved beyond that.

From the tuareg in mali, futan jalon in sudan to sokoto in Nigeria, Islam was established via warfare, killing and lootin of local community to establish Islamic supremacy. Read ur history book my guy\lady and stop writting in ignorance.

Muslims are only peaceful where they are minority but are wolf where they are majority (always oppressing and hunting down the minority in their midst). Northern Nigeria is a close and perfect example.

In Islam a man of 60yrs can marry a girl of 10 (ur prophet mohammed is a perfect example and the recent child marriage bill sponsored by Nigeria northern muslim senators is also a comtemporary example). U can see the reason why senator yerima of zamfara state married a 14 yr old egyptian girl (when he was 50+) and divorce that same girl 3 yr later (this yr) to marry another 15 yr old girl. Dont tell that yerima is not a true muslim cos he is following quranic teachings and the foot-step of ur prophet.


Recently in saudi arabia a blogger, Badawwi, was sentence to death for leaving Islam and preaching against it in his blog. He was charged for treason and condemned to death. My question is this, where is religios freedom? Where is 'there is no compulsion in religion' as being taught by some muslim clerics? And u knw that a woman cannot drive car in saudi arabia but can go to war. Is this not part of oppression against women?

You dnt seem to understand your religion at all.
Fine discovery. You r not wrong in your observation. As a true believer in God, when ever one 's beliefs are questioned we should be able to cite qualified evidences to vindicate us rather than throwing mud at others beliefs.

And i 'll like to confirm on the Saudi Blogger killed for leaving Islam, let me see if am truely an hypocrite as the OP claims. Then later on, i 'll come with samples of teachings traditional muslims abide by, which promote hate, violence, misorgyny and regression. They hide these teachings when they come to preach especially in the West. If you r not smart enough you 'll think they are preaching a noble religion and you 'll get carried away by their self righteousness. But a soon as you become one of them, they start drumming those unholy teachings into you untill you not only accept them, but become passionate with those teachings too, eventually turning away from God 's path.

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