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beejaay: @Maclatunji why did u have to hide my postbecause, most likely your post doesn't fit well with his ideology. He deleted my post two months ago and banned me for one month. He accused me of posting a tafsir out of context. This is not true, infact i left at the end of my post, the links to the webpage of the full tafsir. |
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This should be in forum games |
Apparently, she had no option of filing a divorce if she had to kill this husband. |
brownlord: Useless Ghanians even with the 3 million your president brought you guys still crash out like sosoliso, may be he wanted to come bribe your way through. IdiatGood response, it mean some Ghanians have been praying for us to lose. Anyway i don't see Nigeria making it out of the group stage if they were in a group with USA, Portugal and Germany. |
[quote author=Bright_id]YOBO[/quote]aha, was he not the one demanding for increased appearance fees shortly before the tournament? |
The strength of the movie is that, while it tried to potray muslims as more human and peaceful individuals than the extremists and terrorists that the West and the media tend to relate them to, it remind us that the extremists still have a strong influence in the body of the religion and muslim community as a as a whole. Recall that scene where Khan was stabbed by one of those terrorists plotting in the mosque whom he had snitched on. It pictured the muslim world finely. There is so much sick teachings among muslims today, once you as a muslim decide to reject and debunk them based on your discovery of the falsehood behind them, you 'll earn yourself bitter enemity from your so called brothers. Take a look at the Sudanese sentenced to death for apostacy by a Sharia court earlier this year. Many muslims protested against it, but it didn't change anything because those behind the sentence, behind the court have more power and exert more influence than the so called peaceful muslims against the sentence. |
lagtech: Bosnia was better thanthis is poor citation. They conceded just two goals to Argentina but we conceded 3. They score 3 goals against Iran and we scored none. Our victory over them was controversial, Dheko had his goal incorrectly ruled out. Otherwise, Bosnia would have qualified. |
Celebrate what? A controversial qualification to knock out round? Who forgot Dzeko 's incorrectly disallowed goal against Super Eagles? Let me tell you, If it were not for officiating error Nigeria would have attained just 2 points and Bosnia would have qualified alongside Argentina with 4 points. Celebrate all you want but there is nothing special in reaching the round of 16. Cameroon(1990), Ghana(2010) and Senegal(2002) made it to quarter final in the past, a feat that Keshi 's Eagles cannot replicate because given the right condition Eagles will be back home already. Justice will be served when France knock the Eagles into oblivion on Monday. The only African team worthy of celebration is Algeria, they were the only one competent enough to qualify to the next round with 4 points without the help of the referee. |
cloudstar: If they are there:Guy, do you believe that Prophet Muhammad splitted the moon miraculously as hadiths books states? Obviously you don't. Why then do you wish to force others to believe that Muhammad ordered killing of apostates as hadiths books states? Muhammad never taught salat/prayer or hajj/pilgrimage as you think, these rites were nothing new in the arab community when Muhammad became a Prophet, it is just that simple. You can search the entire hadith corpus(that is if you can ever finish sifting through the uncountable narrations in your life), non of them provide a full detail of the salat as is commonly known, rather they consists of brief accounts of persons who claimed to has seen the Prophet prayed. I talked about this in my last thread, check that out. One reason why u want muslims to stick with hadiths is because you LOVE hadiths. Just like Ali Sina, Robert Spencer and other figures campaigning against muslims, you love the hadith books as much as sunnis and shiites do, infact you are even more versed in hadiths than the average traditional muslims. You love the hadiths because they provide you a lot of points in your arguement against Islam. Whenever you want to depict Islam as a religion of hate, violence, misorgyny and backwardness, you have countless hadiths at your disposal for clarification. You know fully well that if we stick to the Qur'an alone, you 'll have no arguement. Well, i got bad news for you, dude. The Qur'an condemn hadiths by name in several instances, warn us to avoid them and inform us that Quran is clear, fully detailed and is God 's only message through Muhammad(Qur'an 5:48-49, 6:19, 6:112-116, 12:111, 54:17, 45:6) Also i recommend three books for you: 1. Hadith: A Re-evaluation By Kassim Ahmed. 2. The Qur'an: Sufficient as a Source of Islamic Legislation. By Dr. Ahmed Subhi Mansour. 3. Hadith As Scripture. By Aisha Musa. All are available in pdf on google, for free. PS: The verse you cited deal with war, not apostacy. It talk about hypocrites turning their back and fighting the believers. Nothing in it specify killing apostates. Don't stick with only one translation, check out different translations to minimize translators' errors. |
Fkforyou: Wat an intresting debate,I think this issue/misconception should be clearly sorted out so that most peepz like us can learn,but it seems the debate has bin one-sided.Peace! People who practice evil can never hold a debate with people who strive for morality. Neither can people who cling to dogmas hold an intellectual or moral debate. I have met similar traditional muslims face to face. They all want to preach Traditional Islam as a peaceful religion, but let me tell you, as soon as you bring up the issues like death for apostacy, you note their contradictions. They cannot withstand an intellectual debate with an atheist, not to talk of someone who utilise the scripture explicitly. Their Hadiths books, which have succeeded in deviating them from the scripture is their kryptonite. |
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Coco diva: This topic is neither a misconception,nor is it open for debate. The issue of apostasy in Islam is clear. It is death in an islamic state. It is amazing how people who claim to be muslims,but in reality are outside the fold of Islam either knowingly or unknowingly to them go around misleading people and throwing doubts into their hearts concerning the deen. I'm not surprised anyway,when it involves people that belittle the hadith of the prophet (SAW) , and those who rely upon the Qur'an alone as their source of guidance. I smell deviant sects around! You lots should seek repentance of Allah and ask for guidance from Him.Your post really threw me for a loop. So, i will like it, after posting this. Well, can't say much but i 'll post a few verses now. Cos i know that if i just leave down only the references, most people will not go and look it up as they should. These verses describe very much traditional muslims, who adhere to an anti-quranic religion and condone the killing of apostates, justifying it with God. Quran 7:28 And when they commit evil, they say: "We found our fathers doing it, and God has commanded it on us." Say: Nay, God never commands evil. Do you say about God what you know not?" Only disbelievers and cruel people kill apostates. The kind of disbelievers that stood with pharoah against Moses, the kind of disbelievers that put Abraham in the fire, the kind of disbelievers that conspired to persecute Jesus, the kind of disbelievers that evicted Muhammad from Makkah. Disbelievers always feel like gods, that is why they feel the need to kill anyone who suddenly turn away from their beliefs. Disbelievers always exhibit an holier than thou attitude, that is why they feel the urge to kill apostates. Disbelievers always have skeletons in their cupboards, that is why in order to spare their reputation, they kill apostates. Disbeliever never live by the scripture, hence they kill apostates. Disbelievers are always wicked people, hence they kill apostates. Disbelievers are hypocrites, that is why they publicly preach peace, but death for apostates behind closed doors. Are you in support of death for apostacy or not? Do you believe in the Quran or not? Peace. |
Peace. Check these out, babs787 et al. Sahih muslim, book of punishment, no. 4191 The Prophet punished married adulterers by flogging them 100 lashes and stoning them to death. Sahih muslim Book of Iman No. 349 God laughs Sahih muslim Book of Salat no. 1032 A man 's prayer nullified if a woman, donkey or dog passes his front. Sahih Muslim Book of Repentance no. 6666, 6668 Jews and Christians will replace Muslims in hell and bear the penalty for the muslims' sin. Sahih Muslim Bk of marriage no. 3425 The prophet ordered a woman to suckle an adult man. Bukhari Vol. 8, Book 82, 8.794 The prophet punished murderers by cutting off their hands and feet, branding their eyes with hot iron and leaving them to die in the desert. Sahih bukhari, book of marriage, no.64 The prophet married Aisha at the age of six and consummated the marriage when she was nine. Sahih bukhari, Vol. 7, book of marriage, no. 6 The prophet used to have sexual relations with all his 9 wives in a single night. Sahih bukhari, vol. 7, book of marriage, no. 52 The prophet legalised temporary marriage for the sake of lust. Sahih bukhari, vol 8, book of oath and vows, no. 654 God put His "foot" over the hell fire, so it becomes full. Sahih bukhari, book of marriage, vol. 8, no. 30,31. If there is evil omen in anything, it is in the house,woman or donkey. Sahih Bukhari, vol. 1, book 5, no. 277. Prophet Moses naked! Sahih Bukhari, book of dealing with apostates, vol. 9, no. 57. The prophet legalised killing of apostates. These are just a sample. Enough to arouse one curiousity for investigating the validity of the hadiths books. Peace |
babs787: @UsermaneOf course you are right by quoting the Qur'an and that has been my concern so far. You just quoted those verses for the sake of this thread. The question is, do traditional muslims accept them over any hadith that contradict them? Nope! Atleast from my experience traditional muslims kill apostates, i watched a video on that way back. Pretty bloody, wouldn't wanna talk about it. You should pls take a look at this thread https://www.nairaland.com/1510032/misconception-death-apostasy Please read the whole thread, perhaps you may want to ask tbaba and his possé in their little old club house why they they believe in killing of apostates inspite of the verses you have cited. |
Peace. @babs787, a traditional muslim is a muslim who accept traditions/narrations compiled centuries after Muhammad 's death as divine authority besides the Qur'an. I think you misunderstood the whole of my posts and maybe DMainMan did too. Qur'an 6:103 tells us that non can envision God, thus Muhammad cannot be said to have ascended to heaven and discussed with God for the numbers of daily salat, neither can Abu hurayra be believed as reported by sahih bukhari that God has limbs. I 'll expand on these later. |
My dear Muslim friend, by now you should have read this thread. Don't take this as an attack on your beliefs. Rather, consider it a challenge to get to the root and unravel the truth. You can't continue chanting, "Islam is Peace, No compulsion in religion" but simulatenously advocate death for apostasy. You can't condemn christians for killing apostates while supporting muslims for killing apostates. You can't keep whinning about Islamophobes while you keep killing apostates. These are contradictions. If you are good, non muslims will admit it, not necessarily in your presence. Please don't bother justifying this Muslims' unholy practice by quoting from the old testament, you 'll only be condemning yourself to a life of denial and hypocrisy. It doesn't change the fact that killing apostates is a satanic practice. Please, don't be lured by hadiths(Quran 7:185, 31:6 or 45:6) or mullahs(Qur'an 7:28-29, 9:31,34), there is no death for apostasy in Islam because there is no compulsion in religion(Quran 2:256, 4:137). Peace. |
true2god: @ Rilwayne001 ur response is a typical response of a muslim anytime their falsehood and wickedness is being exposed, the next thing is to open the bible, quote wars bw the Jews and their neighbour (at the pre-islamic era). Coming back to Nigeria, u will agree with me that uthman dan fodio spread Islam in the north via war and lootin of the hausas, to establish the Islamic caliphate there. And currently they wanna replicate same style in plataeu and benue state but its too late, the world has moved beyond that.Fine discovery. You r not wrong in your observation. As a true believer in God, when ever one 's beliefs are questioned we should be able to cite qualified evidences to vindicate us rather than throwing mud at others beliefs. And i 'll like to confirm on the Saudi Blogger killed for leaving Islam, let me see if am truely an hypocrite as the OP claims. Then later on, i 'll come with samples of teachings traditional muslims abide by, which promote hate, violence, misorgyny and regression. They hide these teachings when they come to preach especially in the West. If you r not smart enough you 'll think they are preaching a noble religion and you 'll get carried away by their self righteousness. But a soon as you become one of them, they start drumming those unholy teachings into you untill you not only accept them, but become passionate with those teachings too, eventually turning away from God 's path. |
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did i insult anyone there or did i insult islam...u and this ur dictatorial tendency...Seun dey don dey come again ooooo