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budaatum:
Was about to too. Though, I speak not for all people called atheist. Still here goes:

I do not believe that gods do not exist. I know that gods do not exist outside of the minds of those in whom they do exist as figments of the imagination.

CoolUsername:
From the article,

In 1885 Robert G. Ingersoll, popularly known as "The Great Agnostic", explained his comparative view of agnosticism and atheism as follows: The Agnostic is an Atheist. The Atheist is an Agnostic. The Agnostic says, ‘I do not know, but I do not believe there is any God.’ The Atheist says the same.

Don't atheists on this forum frequently express similar views?

allanphash7:
Funny?


Me self don laugh tire o


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CuteMadridista:
Let me ask you Vaxx

If I believe drinking water at exactly 4PM everyday would make sure that I don't die for the next 24hours. I spread this hypothesis around and many people buy into it. I always upload a video on YouTube of me drinking water at exactly 4PM everyday

on a fateful day I upload the usual video at 4PM and I die 3 hours later. A thread was put up by Nairalanders about me dying. someone comes to the thread to talk about how the drinking of water failed to prevent death despite my strongly believing and telling others, that my hypothesis isn't valid and death would happen to you regardless of your drinking the water at 4PM or not. is this hypothetical poster mocking a dead me?

Proudgorgeousga:
trash talk. even on this thread not all atheists have the same opinion on the subject matter

honorr:
Was she Ghanas first lady? who's ds bare chest Ebony

blesskewe:
But why red and black na



Looks like a meeting of cultists


My opinion

fucktoto:
nobody worships idols?

then tell me what pagans do with the lifeless, wooden dummies they keep in their shrines and chant meaningless incantations to? are they toys?

i don't care if you call the crucifix an idol - i'm not a catholic and i don't support their form of worship. but the bible is a book of knowledge of God just like the qur'an.

CuteMadridista:
CC: Vaxx

sino:
This is your opinion, if you do not have the patience to read through a thousand words, then I see why your OP is full of misconceptions and misrepresentations of Islam and by extension, Muslims...I tried that, since my post is such an epistle, you focus on the Qur'anic verses quoted and critique?!

I have not established who is right or wrong in my post, you claimed you are condemned to hell in Islam because you are an idol worshiper, and I explained that is not the case in Islam, condemnation to burn in hell is by God and not the Muslim, and only when such individual warrants such punishment, and that is why it is the prerogative of God! And if you are looking for meaningful evidence with respect to Islamic teachings, what other evidence is better than those sourced from the law books of the religion?!

I didn't go through the link, and I do not obfuscate, I tend to write and read a lot when a topic interests me.

sino:
My write up is too much so you decided to cancel it out to show what exactly?! You could have stated you want only summaries in your OP, and mind you, you are not the only one reading. The issue you presented isn't about the infallibility of the Qur'an, I quoted relevant verses that addresses your concerns, do you have issues with these verses? I am not forcing you to believe in them, just presenting what Islam teaches...

awesomeJ:
Go read the story of how Abraham's servant got Isaac his wife.
Check out how it was reported that Laban- an heir was all over him. Obviously whom Laban saw was a very big boy, and not just some folk with chronic inferiority complex as you suppose.

Or check out Joseph, he was CEO.

Try, try really hard to come up with one story from the Bible that shows slaves as treated horribly or as animals.

EazyMoh:
Of course slavery in whatever form is very bad. This is including corporate slavery you can find today.
You were the one that quoted me trying to argue what I quoted what many learned historians have agreed.
If you were to have come in 7th century, the best thing you could have done was to reduce slavery and make sure their fundamental human rights were guaranteed. You can't possibly do more than what Islam did!
The best thing to happen to slavery to which Islam was agreed to be the second was it's final abolisment as I mentioned earlier. It is important to note as well that the main drive for the final abolisment was as a result of industrial revolution rather than "civilization" as you put it.
If cheap slave labor was not made obsolete by farm machinery, slavery wouldn't have being abolished.
So the only movement to improve welfare of slaves based on a humanitarian compassion was Islam and we'd all be fair to give it the credit.

EazyMoh:
Oga no be me talk am o, na renown historians that are professors in Islam and middle eastern studies.
So in all your cherry picking you ignored dozens of verses in the Qur'an which are commanding Muslims to free slaves on many occasions both as a measure for remission of sin and for reward by God. .

EazyMoh:
Instead of this your back-and-forth argument why not just compare the rights of slaves in Islam Vs Christianity/Judaism. That way you get a common ground for comparison.
Mind you historians generally regard Islam as the second best thing to happen to slaves,second only to its abolisment finally in the 19th century.
Some rights of slaves in Islam
they have the rights to
1. Live
2. Own property
3. Marry
4. Eat the same type of food as their master
5. wear the same type of cloth as their master
6. Right to buy their freedom
7. Right to practice their religion of choice
8. Once a woman bears a child for her master she and the baby automatically become free people.
9. A Muslim shall never be ensalved
10. Only people who have actively perticipated in waging war against Muslims are liable to be enslaved....

CuteMadridista:
That's okay but a one as direct as this thread is preferred

"The Christian Says I Will Burn In Hell Fire...what Is My Crime?"

This catches a lot more interest than "John 3:16 a discussion" like you opened previously or calling Christians to attended to a thread aimed at the Muslims

CuteMadridista:
I hope you'll open one for the Christians too, this thread is kinda dull cuz Muslims are cramped in their own section so most won't even see this and only a small percentage of the Muslims that would see this would mind enough to reply you

sino:
No Muslim is expected to say you vaxx are going to hell, that is clearly not what Islam teaches, but rather Muslims can tell you the actions and deeds that can lead to hellfire according to Islam.

Since you have openly admitted to be worshipping idols, then you are a mushrik (polytheist/pagan)! This is not an insult, it is what you practice. A kaafir is an unbeliever (generally speaking), it also means to reject, to conceal or cover something and in this case, it means concealing/covering the truth (Islam) after it had been made manifest to you.

Technically speaking, you are not to be referred to as a Kaafir, if you haven’t heard the message of Islam and rejecting it afterwards….
Whoever is guided is only guided for [the benefit of] his soul. And whoever errs only errs against it. And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. And never would We punish until We sent a messenger. (Q17:15)

With regards to the bold above,

Shaykhul-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah said, "I have always been among the most stringent people in prohibiting that a specific person be accused of disbelief, dissoluteness or sinfulness until the proof has been established to him (beyond the excuse of ignorance) by a Messenger of Allaah, such that the one contravening it is, in some instances, a disbeliever, in others, a person of bad moral character and in others, a sinner. And I affirm that Allaah excuses this Community of its mistakes, whether it be in matters of beliefs or actions."

He reiterated elsewhere: "Textual evidence in the Quran and Sunnah indicates that Allaah does not punish anyone until the message of Truth reaches him, as brought to him by a Messenger from Allaah. Those who have not received the message of Truth or received a distorted or incomplete version of the message will not be punished except for what they have denied of what has reached them through the Messenger of Allaah. This is affirmed in the verse that reads (what means): {[We sent] messengers as bringers of good tidings and warners so that mankind will have no argument against Allaah after the messengers....} [Quran 4:165]"

Going further, Islam teaches Muslims to be respectful and not go about insulting people and what they worship besides Allah (SWT). Although not all Muslims follow this instruction, but that shouldn’t be the basis for judging what Islam preaches. Allah (SWT) says:

"And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah, lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge. Thus We have made pleasing to every community their deeds. Then to their Lord is their return, and He will inform them about what they used to do." (Q6:108)

As Muslims, we believe the final judgement is with Allah (SWT), and we know that not everyone would believe in Islam…

“And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed, all of them together. So, will you (O Muhammad SAW) then compel mankind, until they become believers.” (Q15:99)

Your crime which is associating partners with God is a big issue, it negates the fundamental principle of Islam, which is the belief that there is no god except Allah, no lesser gods, no partners, no child or children, no wife or mother etc. God is one! And worship should be directed to God alone! If the foundation is weak and bad, no matter the beautiful structure built on it, it would definitely collapse sooner or later! God is not interested in your good deeds alone, but also the drive behind your deeds…A man who publicly donates to charity but he is an armed robber or kidnapper, would you suggest that the law should overlook the source of his income/wealth?!

If you could associate partners with God in worship, then what determines you are doing any righteous deed for God?! If you say you are not doing for God, then what is the essence of worship and why do you expect a reward from God?!

In Islam, all what you do for the sake of God is classed as worship, including your mundane activities, and thus you would be rewarded both in this life and the next, but if not for God, then you get your reward here, and if it is a sin, then definitely you’d get the punishment both in this life and the next.

The message of Islam is simple and straightforward, worship the one true creator! If Sango, Ogun and the likes were true prophets of God, then they would only had informed people about the one true God and to worship Him and would never claim worship for themselves!

"And We did not send any Messenger before you (O Muhammad SAW) but We inspired him (saying): La ilaha illa Ana [none has the right to be worshipped but I (Allah)], so worship Me (Alone and none else)." (Q21:25)

If after you have learnt about the message of Islam and still reject it, and hold on to your beliefs, then, you do not need to start complaining about Islam and what Islam preaches with regards to the fate of non-Muslims, since on the last day, Allah (SWT) says:

“On This Day every soul will be recompensed for what it earned. No injustice today!” (Q 40:17)

Be rest assured that there would never be injustice on the Day of Judgment, the question is, are you just with your views of Islam?! Have you studied it sincerely (with an open-mind)?! Have you any divine evidence for worshiping the creation in association with the creator?! If God asks you today vaxx, did all these idols you have mentioned gave you the permission to worship them, or did God give you the permission to worship these creations in association with Him?! Do you have your answers and evidences to back them up?!

OkCornel:
The part of your quote I bolded sums it up...and I totally agree with it...

The problem with human beings is when they insist on defining what or who God is...based on their limited experiences and perceptions in this realm of existence...this limited and at times faulty perception gave rise to various religions & sects over the course of history...

Gggg102:
IDK but it sounds a bit like pantheism.

I'm not really deep into philosophy, but I'd like to see the links.

Gggg102:
then I will treat you like someone who is not seen.

Gggg102:
'absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence' only works for pantheist/deist god.


the theist god wants to have a relationship with us and according to their stories, they reveal themselves to man. evidence of the god should easily be available.

unless he is hiding but wants us to believe he exists.

Billy guy

Jakumo:
Read the certificate. It says HONORARY citizenship, which is NOT legal US citizenship, but is rather a ceremonial title with no legal weight whatsoever, meaning that the Nigerian citizen holding that certificate CANNOT apply for a US passport.

superhumanist:
Satanism (particular versions) is also monotheistic. Are you arguing for satanism too?

So how can you even mention to argue for monotheism when even the monotheistic gods are different?

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Truth is universal and has no boundary.

Calling somebody to belief and worship his Creator alone is not a middle eastern opinion but a universal Facts.