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MaxInDHouse:
“You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth. You must not bow down to them nor be enticed to serve them, for I, Jehovah your God, am a God who requires exclusive devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation of those who hate me, Exodus 20:4-5

Are you saying EVERYONE knew this first commandment before the Bible got to Africa?

Everyone knows what sin is before and after the Bible came. Sin did not begin with the coming of the Bible.

There is nothing to gain in this argument. All these things are already settled.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ that's the main point why i created this thread!
The real atheists are the pastors teaching these people heresy that's leading them to making unreasonable demands from God!

Ok. But the people who listen and accept thiis heresies are also equally culpable especially as everyone inherently knows that which is not True.

MaxInDHouse:
So everyone knows that calling upon idols and praying to images is sin, shey?

Everyone knows what sin is.

MaxInDHouse:
So do you now agree that they were churchy and what the false prophets you call pastors taught them led to all these?

That is not the point of this thread.

TenQ:
This is judgment in Hell (the holding place of the wicked). This was where the Rich man was placed while Lazarus was with Abraham

I know.

Davidsol:
Attention! Attention!!! Attention!!!

Can we have more opinions to either support or oppose @antichristian's opinion?

As for me, our God is not author of confusion. I may not be in the position to comment on antichristian's bidirectional opinion.

Therefore, if you have something in mind to comment and we view your opinion as something worthy to work on, let us have what you want to say in this regard.

He is saying what i have just told you in reslect to the topic. Making money is not prosperity, though it is one of the sjgns of prosperity.

That muslim is only passing another great message that people take lightly, which is "Fear God" for everything can be made good or bad for you, by His Hands.

Thus, prosperity can become an evil thing unto a person whom The Lord hates as confirmed by people who have confessed that they were happier when they were poor.

Davidsol:
Shalom friends!
Trust you're doing good in this journey of life and believe to reign with Jesus Christ in eternity?

The third book of John and the second verse states God wishes our prosperity, live healthy, even as our souls are prospering likewise.

What I want to present to the table; is making good money not an evidence of prosperity from God?

Please let's share our thoughts or make comments on this topical issue.

Prosperity is prosperity, making money is not the same as prosperity.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said it is because if they weren't taught like that they won't be thinking that way.
That's what Jesus meant when he said
"by their fruits you will know them" {Matthew 7:16}
The fruit here connotes what results from the teachings of those false prophets, if they are good trees they will yield positive results {Matthew 7:17-18} no JW can say he's expecting God to favour him in this trouble world because Jesus never taught us that we will be favoured materially speaking during the last days!

You are talking to plants.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ you know nothing about sin you're just been forward sin is not what those churches told you it's deeper than that!

There goes your fake pretense at being reasonable.

Even before churches came people knew what sin was but this is not the issue, so carry your madness and pretense away from me, for now everyone can see you are fake!

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ did not ask His followers to imitate Him...

See how you are a devil?

John 13:12-13 shows that you are a devil!

mbaise1000:
You personal opinion doesn't count here as long as it contradicts the real definition of Christianity, the bible said that the disciples of Jesus Christ were called Christians because they were living like Jesus Christ, so if you are not living like Jesus Christ or following his teachings and lifestyle you are not a Christian no matter what you claim, things like you can never fault Christianity, if the devil couldn't succeed there how will you his agents do it?
What is the difference between those that live like Jesus and those that keep His commandments? Can you live like Jesus without keeping His commandments? You are definitely not a Christian which means you are not His follower so you cannot pass a sound opinion on what you don't know, I clearly said that if you don't know the meaning of Christianity you are not a Christian and that's what you just proved.
I REPEAT AGAIN, A CHRISTIAN IS ONLY THE ONE THAT FOLLOW THE TEACHINGS AND LIFESTYLE AND FOOTSTEPS OF JESUS CHRIST.
OR can you be a good muslim as you are without following the teachings and lifestyle and footsteps of mohamad?
Face whatever it is you believe in and don't judge what you don't know

He is a devil, so he will always speak as he is so he can not be corrected.

mbaise1000:
When the op is saying belivers, what type of believers? What exactly do they believe in?
The problem with most people is that they don't even know who a Christian is, but people will better accept that if you don't know who a Christian is, it simply means also that you are not one,
If what the op meant by a believer in this context is a Christian, it means that he doesn't know who a Christian is, because a Christian can never be an enemy of Christ or the church of Christ,
BTW A CHRISTIAN IS ONLY THE ONE THAT FOLLOW THE TEACHINGS AND LIFESTYLE AND FOOTSTEPS OF JESUS CHRIST, anything less is not, so THOSE people that the poster mentioned are not christians or believers of Jesus Christ, they are children of the devil pretending to be followers of Jesus Christ

Perfect!

Myer:
You've spoken well.
However no one really should call himself a Christian...

He did not call himself anything, he only pointed out and described who and what a Christian is and is not.

MaxInDHouse:
First of all you need to know the real meaning of that word "SIN" then we can both check to know how many churchgoers we can vouch for as believers running away from sin?

We all know what sin is so this is irrelevant.

Point is, that you have done that which is not good in pairing those who love sin with those running away from sin.

MaxInDHouse:
Who taught them that God grant wishes?

Not relevant.

MaxInDHouse:
Most Bible readers lack understanding and critical thinking skills so when talking about sin they often misconstrue sin with what people do to enjoy themselves.
The true God is a happy God {1Timothy 1:11} so He wants His worshipers to be happy {Act 20:35} and as creatures made in God's image humans always love to be happy.
But then we need to distinguish between what really saddens God's heart and things we do due to ignorance. For instance our forefathers were worshipers of idols and they don't know anything about God's word other than what the priests of their deities tells them so what will happen to them on the day of judgment since they were doing all that in ignorance?

Jesus the son of God answered:

“Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” Luke 23:34

If we have seen Jesus we don't need to ask again what his father will do in some case where Jesus has told us what to expect! John 14:9 compare to 1Corinthians 2:16

So even though many people joyfully commit what is detestable to God daily they will not be held responsible for what they're ignorantly doing wrongly it's until someone told them and make them understand it's then that what they're doing becomes sin that's condemning them. Romans 10:14 compare to 1John 5:17

That's why you need to distinguish between the sin that God will never forgive and sin that's pardonable! Matthew 12:31-32

This is you departing from the thread though i know what you are trying to do, however, you can still achieve your purposes even if you stay on point.

MaxInDHouse:
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So between the unreasonable churchgoer who suddenly turned his back on the church due to the WORKS of their pastors and the pastors whose attitude irritated their followers to the extent that those ones concluded that God doesn't exist, who are the real atheists?

This is an unreasonable poser.

It is not unreasonable for a church goer to keep away from his erring church and pastors based on the sinfullnesses you described that they do.

Then it is further unreasonable to join him with an "i hate God" person.

A person who loves God must hate sin. An atheists as they have over proven is happiest when in sin, thus, the 2 do not meet like north and south.

And besides your post was directed at atheists, thus, it was very unfair and unjust to add churchgoers who are running from sins, to it.

Maximus692:
The hidden thorn in their flesh is selfishness coupled with greed and wickedness!

They want God to treat them special because they claim they're His worshipers so instead of making research to know why there is injustice, suffering and pain in the world they feel God supposed to prevent all of that not to affect them while they watch others suffer all of it.
So because they're lazy intellectually to make the needed research they concluded there is no God! Psalm 10:4

True but it is not entirely their fault for before today, both devils and those who did not know where wickedly and wrongly teaching people that God was like their personal babalawo or genie in a bottle, looking for anyone who takes Him to grant their wishes.

TenQ:
He meant judgement of Hell rather than judgement of the Lake of Fire.

He also raised the issue of immediate judgment.

Wagwanbrethren:
Good, if you say none of us created ourselves, then that doesn't mean God created us. Can I also say a tree did! Of course, you will ask for proof. Same thing I'm doing here. You are talking about a greater person, do you have any proof to support your statement that "God created us" ? That's what I need.

I have shown you already that creation of things, especially things which can operate on their own, can only be done by A Living Being, as you people have done with your intelligent mannequins, which you gave no counter to.

So, making me have to repeat what i have said only proves how impossible it is for you to counter.

It is even more interesting that people everywhere call Him God.

Wagwanbrethren:
You can't tell me who created God, but you want to tell me he created us. Were you also there when he created us?lol

Now you have becone unreasonable because you have no thing reasonable to say, especially as we all know that we talk about things that are directly close to us and not things that are impossible and begond our reach.

So you are just being unreasonable because you can not counter this, therefore, this is a reasonable place to leave you.

Wagwanbrethren:
Also how do you do this division in your comment, your response to a particular paragraph, and movement to the other one, I don't know if you understand me. I want to reply a particular paragraph, and move to the next, just like yve been doing.

Highlight and copy the bracket quote name and number at the top of the post you are responding to like this [quote author=Wagwanbrethren post=123783027]Then paste it at the top of the paragraph you want to address.

Then at the end of that same paragraph that you want to address, add this thing you see at the end of a post the way it is by either copying and pasting it or typing it out. I put a full stop at the end of this one so that you could view it for, if there was an error in it, it would be like this [/quote.].

But if perfect, you would achieve the paragraph response block, i did above.

Amaly:
When we die we become spirits and spirits are not matter that has mass and occupy space. They are not also adaptable to pain.

Also, no one adapted to the pain of an operation without anaesthesia or have we seen a thief getting comfortable as he was being burnt.

The pain kills them

Mikel99:
TenQ, see a lot a pastors support the judgement of the dead immediately after death. Even the Bible states that after death is judgement. What happens to a criminal when he is judged at a court of law? Is he not sentenced?How does a criminal who has been judged said to have face justice If he is not punished after judgement? What is the purpose of judgement if criminals are not punished after it? Will it make sense? Why will God then judge people if after that they just cease to exist or rest? Imagine two people(one righteous and one vile) who are brought to the presence of a judge for judgement. If the judge pronounces them to both go and rest , will his judgement make sense. Why make judgement to nothing's effect?
Jesus, on whom Christianity is focused on, would have never mentioned hell as a place of punishment for the vile as a joke.

Your first problem is definition of the word "immediate".

How long is immediate?
The Bible clearly shows us that even Cain and those idiots who worshipped the golden calf have not been judged yet, so that gives you an idea of how long immediate is.

So now you see, they never cease to exist and now you understand why the Bible Said "and he rested with his fathers"

Wagwanbrethren:
Saying that God created you is not a proof. How did it happen, saying nothing in the world can't create itself doesn't mean God created what you see. 🤷‍♂️

It is already self proven that none of us created ourselves.

It is already known and seen that creation of things, especially things which can operate on their own, can only be done by A Living Being, as you people have done with your intelligent mannequins.

Thus, it is already self proven that a Greater Person, created us.

Wagwanbrethren:
Now, tell us who created your God, and how did it happen?

This is a change of post and a fallacy of demanding the impossible.

[quote author=Wagwanbrethren post=123781728]Remember, you still haven't told me how God created everything around, and the proof you have to support your claim.

How can i tell you when i was not there? And it is even more interesting that He Who Said He created it already showed the how.

But, anyway, this is also a change of post!

FRANCISTOWN:
You are typing the same way as DtruthSpeaker,
Did the NL bot affect the "DtruthSpeaker" Moniker?
By the way, that's not the point.
Lemme point you to the irregularities in your comment.
Okay! @the Subscripted texts.
Maybe because I'm stoic in nature, I really don't know whether a kind of disappointment can lead people to atheism. I think it can only lead them to misotheism(the hatred for god and deities).
When I was a Christian and my prayers weren't answered, that was when my faith grew the more because I thought it was god testing me.

I think only knowledge can lead one to atheism. In my own case, I read a report
in 2011 and I really started to think.
Then I started reading everything I
could lay my hands on because I was
fighting with my sprit to not doubt the
existence of God.

Anyone who became an atheist because God disappointed them is just hurting, sooner or later they'll find their way back to him but you see those of us who became atheists thru knowledge and critical thinking. There is nothing anybody can tell us again that we've not known.

See, just looking at this world is enough
for everyone to know that there is no
god in charge.

"The earth belongs to the sons of men"

A leopard can not hide its spots. People have received the knowledge of education and none of them has had a hot vengeance and personal vendetta against the illiteracy they left behind.

That is how it works.

No pain, no sorrow, no anger, no hatred, no regrets.

But all atheists both here and offline have always expressed their great anger and very hot hatred for God, citing their personal grievances they hold against Him.

And that is an inseparable quality you all have as your posts always reveals.

So, in the end, every atheists has his own personal issue against God because He did not help them. That is the common factor.

Wagwanbrethren:
That's not a proof. There are other explanation as to how we came into existence, even more logical than your idea of God.

Saying that there are other explainations is not a rebuttal.

Wagwanbrethren:
How about you show us a proof and demonstrate how God is responsible for your creation.

I have already laid it, which you could not rebut, no thing in this world created itself.

Wagwanbrethren:
At the same time tell and explain who created God!

Now you commit a fallacy of demanding the impossible and the unreasonable.

“Lex non Cogit Ad impossibilia".
No one shall be demanded/obligated to do the impossible.

And also, this is also A change of post for you have not yet rebutted my answer that you/no man created themselves, and that is where we are and you have not passed it.

So it is either you give a valid rebuttal or it is clear that you can not answer it.

Wagwanbrethren:
Lol. But we need to be objective here. No proof of God, and you know that!

Objectively i showed you the proof is the fact that you and everyman could not manufacture themselves. And that, you could not rebut.

And the only thing i am looking for is for a reasonable and True and valid rebuttal. We are all here to learn what things are True so that our living can be sweet and not here for insults or pointless arguments

HappyPagan:
Oh, your low IQ.. poor you.

Says a lunatic.

Juicedrinker:
Many thanks to the people who gave the last two comments. Let me clarify that I meant death in a natural manner and I am not suicidal.

Your post of lamentation already shows you your problem.

But the problem is, you do not really want the only solution but are seeking any if there is another way.

At least you can now see that God's Cursing the earth in Genesis 3 was not a joke but people are accustomed to struggling against it, which is ok as it is their right and choice.

HappyPagan:
Oh wow, so you know you are a lunatic. It was you who brought in the comparison after all.. gooot, goot, you are learning.

And the comparison was very clear, which was belief in persons we did not meet which the record here shows that you could not answer before you became insane and started talking offpoint

FRANCISTOWN:
Simple english word is your problem?
An atheist isn't someone who hates God. An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in imaginary fairy characters like god and his friends.

A person who hates god is called a Misotheist

Seeing the Truth is your problem.

As many so called atheists here have directly confessed, the beginning of their antiGodism started when He did not help them out of their problems nor listened to their plenty prayers.

So, this is not about how some people choose to deceitfully define it in a book called dictionary but about how people display the natural Truth of their beliefs.

Wagwanbrethren:
Nawa o. Na insult you just dey insult me since! 🤣

I don stop but make you sef dey, dey reasonable na.

Maynmann:
Ok.

Okay!