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TravelRe: A Comprehensive List Of The Documents Required For Visas by Vicjustice(op): 10:45pm On Jul 13, 2013
Cyndas: @vicjustice, thanks for all the advice given.i actually read from the first page and intend to apply for my visa as soon as i get my tax clearance and annual leave document.
I sincerely hope my application will be successful.
Once again kudos.
It's my pleasure wink
TravelRe: A Comprehensive List Of The Documents Required For Visas by Vicjustice(op):
Interesting, previously, they never would accept a photocopy from anyone except they made the photocopy themselves
Science/TechnologyRe: Impala Dives Into Tourist's Car While Running From Cheetah by Vicjustice: 9:20pm On Jul 11, 2013
That is amazing, I'm glad for the Impala that took refuge in the car with people.
TravelRe: A Comprehensive List Of The Documents Required For Visas by Vicjustice(op): 9:03pm On Jul 11, 2013
camelus: Hello Vicjustice
Denied UK Visa,Reason-U stated ur income but u have not provided any evidence of business ownership or any evidence of ur income

Please explain/analyse the above mentioned for me. Await ur swift response.

Note; My Niece invited me for her graduation ceremony & i operate an unregistered biz in Nigeria. I assume they know that not all bizs are registered.
Also included in the application b4 denial are my tax clearance & bank statement.
Please advice cos i want to reapply !
You will be refused again if you re-applied, if your business isn't registered, then it is deemed illegitimate and as such, it can't be used as a credible occupation
TravelRe: A Comprehensive List Of The Documents Required For Visas by Vicjustice(op): 10:37pm On Jul 10, 2013
baslone: It is there on the UK Border Agency webpage.

For every document that you provide, you must include the original document
and a photocopy. This includes a copy of your passport bio-data page (the page
containing your photograph). Please ensure that the photocopies are of good quality
and can be read easily. If you do not provide a photocopy of each document, we might
not return your original documents to you.


http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/countries/nigeria/applying/?langname=null
That must be a new development probably applicable in Nigeria or other similar countries, it doesn't make sense except that it makes their jobs easier
TravelRe: A Comprehensive List Of The Documents Required For Visas by Vicjustice(op): 3:24pm On Jul 10, 2013
baslone: Does this include photocopies of bank statements? Stuff is already bulky! shocked
That quote that says "for every document that you provide, you must include the original document and a photocopy", where did you get it from?
The info is incorrect
TravelRe: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by Vicjustice: 7:20am On Jul 10, 2013
FrontPageLawyer: Good morning, my company's account runs steady, but has no funds in it. Can i still include it with my current and dom?

Submission of application use to be daily, is there a new procedure? Since you mentioned that i'll be given a date for submission.

Thank you for your time and good work
Account submission is not to show that an account exists, but rather to prove that there is fund available to you for the trip.
For orderly coordination and security reasons, you are to attend the embassy only on appointment
TravelRe: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by Vicjustice:
FrontPageLawyer: Sorry to bother you again, but truly I don't want to make another mistake. @ the bolded.

I understand I have to address the issue of the passport. No problem, I will do that in the additional information space.

does that mean I have to write a separate application letter addressed to the consulate? I thought it was just the online application.

is the application to be attached to the print out of the online application form after it is signed?

Recently I have made a lot of withdrawals from my dom and current account, No problem I am ready to explain that to the ECO with paper evidence.

Can I also state in the additional information space that during my visit, I will buy from a company musical equipment and lighting for my bar? is it appropriate for a visitor's visa or can I only do that for a business visa?

Thank you.
The system is designed to automatically submit your application online as well as to allow you to print out a copy for manual submission.
Now, there is a blank box provided for ADDITIONAL INFORMATION in every application form, you can make use of that, and also, you are allowed to use extra sheet(s) if you deem it necessary.
If you make use of an external sheet, simply write your reference number on it and staple it to the printed form
TravelRe: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by Vicjustice: 9:57am On Jul 09, 2013
reginabellca: Because it can be disolved within the bank receiving authorization from me. it is equivalent to liquid cash. all this i exolained too
Why not "dissolve" it first before stating that the money is available?
It is questionable if it remains in fix deposit
TravelRe: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by Vicjustice: 9:52am On Jul 09, 2013
pullyacap: Goodmorn All,
Pls is it of any importance to stil put a bank reference/covering letter alongside my bank statement while applying for a UK visit visa?

Thanks
It is not necessary, but if you think the reference letter would explain something to aid your application, why not?
TravelRe: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by Vicjustice:
FrontPageLawyer: You're richly blessed Justwise. For question 7. the other kid has no passport, but it seems it's compulsory to fill in something in the field, it can be left empty, keeps returning, maybe i'm not doing something right there.
That is a flaw in the online application system, you can't proceed until you fill in something in the box, so it is understandable if you enter any invalid detail just to allow you to proceed with the form... But remember to explain it in the as ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. Trust me, the visa officers are aware of the problem: I talk from experience, you won't have a problem with that
TravelRe: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by Vicjustice: 10:51pm On Jul 08, 2013
reginabellca: a Enquiries - Part 2 by reginabellca: 1:29pm On Jul 03
Goodday good people,

I would like to ask what filing for a review is as against an appeal.

I have been advised to do so because when i applied for a uk visa the ECO stated that i did not provide documentary evidence to state my income , the first paragraph stated that my stated income is not reflected in my payslip and bank statement but it is.i submitted my payslips and bank statements and even took the trouble to circle them and while i stated that i earn 120,000(87,383 FOR SALARY AND 30,000 FOR MONTHLY CAR ALLOWANCE)87,383 is no where on my form except my bank statement and payslips so what is the ECO saying?

I am an office manager and my company pay in funds into my account, i said that in the part 9 which the eco removed and returned back to me even when i said it is part of my application. The eco evn returned my application form. and misplaced parts of my bank statement. I had explained in that application that i received funds from my company and evn have a letter from my company to the bank authorising me to withdraw the sum of one million naira daily, yet the eco said there were unexplained deposits and withdrawal in my accounts and I have provided no evidence to prove the petty cash and how i spent the money. will i provide receipts of all the stationary and repair work we do in the company?

then lastly, i stated i hv 1.3 miilion naira in fixed deposit as funds available to me and stated that the cost of my trip is 310,000 naira. but the eco wronglyfully stated that that is the amount i proposed to spend.

I wonder ooooo. This is really wonderful.

I wish i can show you my documents and the letter but i tried to upload here and it failed.

please advise , they also misplaced some pages of my bank statement.

N.B

iF I WANT TO DO AN ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW DO I QUALIFY?
WHO SHOULD THE POST BE ADDRESSED TO?
WHO SHOULD THE LETTER BE ADDRESSED TO?
WHAT DOCUMENTS DO I ATTACH?
Do they look at request for review applied for in person or by lawyer?
If I am to appeal and have limited rights how long is the duration after which I can no longer appeal?
How can you claim that the money in your fixed deposit account is available to you for the trip?
TravelRe: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by Vicjustice: 6:32pm On Jul 08, 2013
Proudlygemini: Hello guys, i'm finally applying for my tourist visa next week but i still have somethings i want to verify with the experts. i have followed the advise given that i should apply for a tourist visa instead of a spouse visa since i would be away for 2weeks. Still note that my hubby is a british citizen i plan on adding the following documents to my application:
1.Husband's passport bio page
2. Marriage certificate
3. Divorce decree and rights to marriage
4. affidavit of spinsterhood nd rights to marry
5. husband's contract and payslip for 6months
6. Husbands leave letter from company
7. Hotel booking
8. Our Joint account statement of over 2m
9. My personal Tax receipt
10. My son's birth certificate
11.Travel Itinerary
12. Lots of pictures before and after marriage
13. wedding album
14. Invitation letter from my husband
15. Travel Insurance
16. Travel history of trip taken together
17. Flight reservation (already booked by husbands company)
18. Husband's Resident permit
19. Western union transfers from hubby to me
20. Birthday, valentine, christmas cards.
21. My change of name documents(newspaper publication, sworn affidavit)

Pls i would like to know if these documents are sufficient to apply for my tourist visa, i have applied twice in the past before i got married and was denied due to insufficient funds,would my previous applications be refered to even though i'm married now? (note: never used false documents) Also i plan on getting a statement of account as soon as my husband is paid, would that count has money lodgement?

Thanks so much for ur time and help.
This application will be treated in its own merit as long as there was no illegality or violation involved in previous applications
TravelRe: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by Vicjustice: 11:13pm On Jul 07, 2013
dalobaba: @justwise. Pls I need you to tell me what to do pls. I submitted my 6month visa application on the 14th of june and I'm yet to hear anything till now. It has passed 15working days. Here is my feae, I said I will be travelling to ukon the 15th of july. What do u thibk I should do because I'm fed up with wait wait wait
There is always a general warning that visa applicants should give plenty of time to process applications as delays may occur due to uncertainties and circumstances beyond their control, and in the event that your application is decided after the purpose of your intended trip has expired or is in a tight situation, your visa application may be refused for reason of "change of circumstance".
TravelRe: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by Vicjustice:
pullyacap: Great day to you all,

pls i need advice as regards an issue am not clear about.......i intend putting in an application for a UK tourist/visit visa a place i intend to spend my annual leave in september

i presently have a 2yrs non-immigrant visa into US which i got in february

i av hd a little tete-a-tete wt friends as to d best possible method thru which to channel my application

some adviced that i get an invitation letter from a UK citizen while others say that may not be necessary that i shd just do a genuine hotel reservation as the US visa wud boost my chance

pls all,i intend putting in my application next week hence crave yr indulgence as to d best route to use
Actually, it is easier to book a hotel than to use an invitation letter from a person who you can not satisfyingly give details about
TravelRe: Giving Birth In Canada by Vicjustice:
Dear Redwoods
Have you gotten the visa yet, if not, how do you intend to go about it?
It is extremely important that you reply to this, it may save you a huge trouble
TravelRe: Giving Birth In Canada by Vicjustice: 3:27pm On Jul 04, 2013
Rexwoods: Good morning all,
Pls I need advice on giving birth in canada. What is the cost, suggested hospitals and how long it takes to get the child's birth certificate and passport after delivery. Which is better / cheaper Canada or Usa.
Click the link below to read more before making your decision:
https://www.nairaland.com/1050974/warning-pregnant-women-travelling-abroad
TravelRe: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by Vicjustice: 2:33pm On Jul 04, 2013
sola21: Error meant 1.63 . If i did not understand why he asked me d difference btw a family visitor and tourist visa then more light should be shed on it or you just ignore the question. I guess you should know that was a mistake as from my earlier thread with you where I mentioned I was a salary earner. I guess it's a forum to ask questions so why do u have to mention that am so worried cos of a uk tourist visa. If you consider my questions as worry then I guess it's not an interactive forum. Anyways thanks
Again, misunderstanding is the issue here, it would have helped to read between lines and see that there's no need for all these.
TravelRe: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by Vicjustice: 8:03am On Jul 03, 2013
sola21: Dear just wise, thanks for your response. From ur question, family visiting visa is when u have a family in uk and visitor is when u are without a family in the uk, the point I was trying to drive at is hope cos my boyfriend is on psw dat hope it wouldn't hinder our visa processing I didn't mean influence that was why I asked if you thought it would be more safe to book an hotel instead of putting his address down in the form. Also with booking an hotel would it raise an eyebrow that why would I want my child and I to stay in an hotel when we can stay with him and also that why am I applying for visitors visa when I ave a bf on temporary psw. It's just raised questions I need to she'd light on. Also just to add this, my son and I have an American visa which we were issued in April 2013 but we are yet to use it, hope these would affect getting a uk visa as well. As at today, my acct balance is 163 million hope it alright for my child and my application. Thanks always
Well, you don't seem to understand the reason Justwise asked you that question regarding the difference betwen Family Visit and Tourist visa...
I thought these issues had been raised before and they had been addressed... Now, about the American visa, that could only be a problem to someone who doesn't seem to have enough fund to finance two international holiday trips: but as someone who has a hundred and sixty million, why do you worry so much about a Uk tourist visa? Except there is irregularity with your huge finance causing a concern of corruption or dangerous activities especially such that finances terrorism. If you're clean from these, I see no country that won't be happy to grant you something more than a tourist visa
TravelRe: Main Reasons Many Are Refused Visas by Vicjustice(op): 9:49am On Jul 01, 2013
morizboe: well I'm making this enquiry based on what the receptionist said that "statement of account must be in my name and not sponsors and the embassy doesn't care about how it was deposited on the condition that the money would not be touched throughout the duration of the visa processing". Me self was surprised to hear him say it and then I extended it here for inquiries to see if anyone has encountered such policy with any embassy
i was actually having VISIT VISA in my mind when i wrote that, regarding the bank statement.
Well, my answer regarding your sponsor's personality stands: the person that you said would be be sponsoring you does not qualify to take that role
TravelRe: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by Vicjustice: 9:33am On Jul 01, 2013
lankywizar: Hello Justwise,I got a 6 months visa and travelled one with it in June last yr and stayed for 10days,I intend to apply for a 2 year visa and have only about 650k in my account and my net salary is about 250k montly. Wld dis be sufficent to get the renewal.
Your salary is very encouraging, but your savings balance is questionable and discouraging, you could be refused because, you don't seem to have enough fund to finance your trips
TravelRe: General UK Visa Enquiries - Part 2 by Vicjustice:
isaiahethan: Hi justwise &partners,pls i'm new to this site,I applied for right of abode in Nov last year,it was refuse by the Eco in febuary this yr,his statement was i'm not satisfied you qualifed for the right of abode,reason non of my parents is uk citizen I have the right to appeal against this decision.I applied cos I have a contact order issued by the uk court to come and see my son,whom I hv not been able to see,inpite all his been through since last year.my partner who is British is there alone looking after my boy who she had premature due to the pressure and stress on my removal in 2011.then my partner gave birth to a 26wks baby.but thank God my boy is geting bigger now and they need me and I miss the both of them madly .this matter is so stressful for me,but my only hope and faith is in God.I appeal to d tribunal through my lawyer in the uk.my hearing is gonna be in paper,ain't got money again to be spending in pounds.waiting for there bundle which they stated is gona be on 21or after,of August 2013.I put in my appeal towards d ending of febuary.2013.before my removal ukba refused my application stating that I claim to be in a relationship with a British citizen,cos they hv set out a removal for me.same woman they claim i'm not in a relationship with,she is the same who gave birth to my beautiful son.thank God court in the uk granted me contact order unopposed.pls sir wat can you contribute towards this matter,I'm goin crazy each secs I get call frm my girl friend picx of my gorgeous boy.please also pray for me.
What God are you calling upon to see you through? That must be the image of a god that you have created in your own heart and mind...
You profess yourself religious in that you call on God and you hope for His favours where-as it is the same God that you have broken his commandments, committing adultery (or fornication) by sleeping with a woman for the purpose of self convenience; and by taking advantage of an innocent baby whom you have brought into this misery.
Typical Nigerian characters, Yes, Nigeria: a country where armed robbers would pray for God's protection while going for operations, and a 419er would pray to get victims, and Prostitutes would hope in God to protect them from ill-health: and their Pastors would demand tithes and offerings from them to purchase private jets.
May God's judgements be revealed on all those who bring reproach on His name, those who cause unbelievers to blaspheme His holy name.
Look, i understand that you may hate me for this, and i also understand that i can't be liked by everyone, so, it is ok; i can do with one other person hating me: i wouldn't have gotten into religion with this had you not started the religious talk and requesting prayers
TravelRe: Main Reasons Many Are Refused Visas by Vicjustice(op):
morizboe: This sort of story sounds weird and never easy to believe anyway, but my story is nothing but the truth. but Vic, have you seen that situation whereby the embassy is not interested in the source or how the money was deposited as to consider lodgement, but only wants to see a certain amount in the very applicant's account? could what the receptionist said be truth? dear Vic, I am counting on your vast knowledge and experience to help me get through this hurdle . I will be so happy to hear your words again. God bless you
Are you trying to encourage yourself by creating an imaginary circumstance that never is? If it is true, that "the embassy is not interested in the source or how the money was deposited as to consider lodgement", why do they want to see bank statements with six months transaction history?
(edited) i was actually having VISIT VISA in my mind when i wrote this
TravelRe: Main Reasons Many Are Refused Visas by Vicjustice(op):
morizboe: Thank you Vic, I am really getting some wonderful insights. As you asserted, this name wahala is found in almost every family. The affidavit would be good, i think we'll go by it. let me discuss with my brother. But i hope embassy would recognize it and wouldn't look at it as a sharp move to meet ends owing to the notion that fraud abounds large in the land of nigeria. But if we could pose that he is my uncle, what are the chances of a good result? less I forget, when I visited the dannish consulate at Asokolo Abj, to gather some information, though I was not allowed to enter but can only make inquiries through a half-way opened window of the reception, I was told by one of the uniformed receptionists that the dannish embassy doesn't want to hear about sponsorship, but are interested in the money in the applicant's account, that any statement of account I will be presenting must bear my name and my so sponsor can deposit the intended money to my account which is not meant to be touched during the length of processing of my visa. He buttressed his fact by concluding that this information he is giving is classified and that he is not suppose to be telling me this but because of how keen I've shown to be about it, that every information I needed has been supplied in the website. I was so dumbfounded to hear that considering the fact about money lodgement and the consequences. But I didn't believe him. I thought maybe he is newly employed and has not known the system very well. And in their website, they keep saying "your statement 0f account" or "the statement of account in your name". they've never referred to a sponsor so far in where statement of account issue is discussed in their website. and they would always say that
"you" have to document that "you" have equivalent of eighty something thousand per month during the total duration of your stay... could what he said about applicant's own account be truth or should I dismiss that and continue with my sponsorship pursuit? dear Vic, I'll be happy to hear your words on this. have you encountered such a situation before? or do you know if some embassies operate in that manner?
To be honest, you don't have the best of chance if the person that you claim would be sponsoring you is your "uncle" with a different surname
TravelRe: Main Reasons Many Are Refused Visas by Vicjustice(op): 10:03pm On Jun 29, 2013
socialistic: @vicjustice,in 2010,i traveled and during that time i did a mini marriage ceremony to keep my fiance faith that i will be back to complete the remaining marriage ceremony and we went to the local govt to obtain marriage certificate,till then,i have not been to Nigeria and now i have make my choice to move to another country through study,either Canada,Ireland of Australia,do you think that i will mention that i am married and submit the marriage certificate for visa application but i dont have any photo that shows my marriage ceremony because am yet to do the remaining things on the head of the lady which i am planning to do this coming December as soon as i get to Nigeria.Thank you
Being Married or Single has got no advantage or disadvantage in this kind of application, but for the sake of your future (if you really see this woman as your life partner with the hope of future migration), then it is wise to state you true marital status otherwise, you may ruin your international future together
TravelRe: Main Reasons Many Are Refused Visas by Vicjustice(op):
morizboe: @Vicjustice.. the surname change started from my childhood when my guardian that I lived with started shortening my 'long surname' when she wants to write my name for me on the text books(Mc Millian etc) and exercise books she bought for me. Even my 'first school leaving cert' carries the shortened surname and from there to secondary school(my WAEC has it), until university. I felt relaxed as I couldn't see it a serious issue in the near future.see the picture - my surname is Ezeibeanozie and I started shortening it to Ezeibe, while my other siblings answer it in full and one of my siblings too has his surname as only Anozie. it's just out of ignorant of future identity issues!! Dear Vicjustice I am as confused as ever at this juncture as to how to convince the VO that he is my brother or is there any other means I can use to give an acceptable statement of account. If I tell the VO that he is my uncle, would that save me? And would a letter of sponsorship from him solve the problem? He owns a production firm and can afford any level of sponsorship, but the problem is the legitimacy of my family tie with him. wouldn't embassy accept sponsorship from anybody provided he has the required amount stocked in the account and can document that the money are at my disposal to use at any time? Dear Vic, if there is any other way out, please advice me cos i am running out ideas to solve this problem. thanks
Why not ask your brother to undertake an affidavit with the declaration that you have narrated here?The name adjustments are very understandable in the eyes of a Nigerian as such is a common practice: trust me, you will not be the first person to present such a complication to a visa officer, these officers are familiar with this kind of situation and would consider affidavit as a valid explanation it seems understandable that the compound surname has evolved through modifications and adjustment
TravelRe: Main Reasons Many Are Refused Visas by Vicjustice(op): 9:15pm On Jun 29, 2013
There are identity problems with Nigerians in every level (from the mountain top to the valley floor, from the grass root to the tree top) as the vast majority of her citizens find themselves involved in identity crises in one form or the other: Politicians too are not spared
It is remarkable that (except for the people that you know very well,) you can not acertain a person's age to be what s/he claims: even the ages of the leaders (or should i say rulers) can not be acertained: it had since been an issue with Nigerians to adjust and amend their dates of birth to sooth their endevours or purposes being it in Politics, in Jobs-Careers, in Sports, in Travel-Documents, in Businesses, in Educations and even in Romance-Relationships.

Name adjustment or abbreviation is another issue of identity crises that is comon with Nigerians, everyone knows someone who (officially) bears adjusted or abbreviated names: for example; Chidiebere or Chukwudi adjusted or abbreviated to Chidi or Chucks respectively; also, names like Temitope or Babatunde are shortened to Tope or Tunde respectively: Even a known male with the name Emmanuel is unreasonably shortened to Emma which eventually is a known name for female thus making it ridiculous in the eyes of westerners to see a name like Mr. Emma Tunde.
Many Nigerians do not feel comfortable to say their ages even when celebrating a birthday. But why? there are some reasons for that.
either because the celebrant does not feel comfortable to tell his/her real age to others who (probably) conceal their true ages or; the celebrant fears an omen celebrating a fake age and therefore, prefers the celebrated age to be a secret or; the celebrant is concerned of mockery by those who consider him/her younger or older than the claimed age etc.
Gone are the days when anyone could apply for many Passports (travel documents) with any suitably preferred age, now-a-days, age crises is a massive problem with many people's academical documents when integrated with their travel documents.

It is almost a Nigerian instinct that (by nature) people tend to conceal their identities without a reasonable purpose; many people would not want to say their real names to strangers especially for superstitious reasons: It is logical to expect a criminal to want to hide his identity, but decent Nigerians also find themselves preferring to conceal their identities for no reasonable reason; even those who live decent lives and are genuine in their activities.
I think these are political issues and should be addressed politically: there is need for the government or NGOs to create more awareness in the societies to warn people of the danger of age cheat and the life-long problem that a person with inconsistence age can face, and also the consequences of recklessly using adjusted names on documents or credentials (except the user wants to permanently use the adjusted names).

You might want to take a look at people's profile here (on Nairaland) and see how the vast majority of us prefer to undisclose our photos and ages etc
TravelRe: A Comprehensive List Of The Documents Required For Visas by Vicjustice(op): 9:10pm On Jun 29, 2013
elvis4: hi vicjustice i am new here i submited my spouse visa in ghana 3 months ago and i ev just been called and they ask for aditional documents ,does that means i have a chance? please tell me something
Of course you have a chance if you're genuinely married, if the marriage is sustained, if your wife and you meet the requirements, why not?
TravelRe: Main Reasons Many Are Refused Visas by Vicjustice(op): 6:00pm On Jun 29, 2013
morizboe: @ Vicjustice I have been given an appointment at dannish consulate for interview on first week of july (for masters studies) and i have got all my documents prepared (certified birth certificate,certified degree results, confirmation of payment of 1st semester tuition fee,confirmation of students resident payment etc), but the problem i'm facing is sponsorship. The dannish immigration's website keep saying repeatedly that the statement of account to be presented to the consulate during interview MUST be that of the applicant or immediate family memeber like parents or siblings or a guradian for Minors and not for persons above 18. Now I am being sponsord and in my mid-twenties and unfortunately my sponsor's surname and mine are not the same, despite he is my blood elder brother. And if we try to deposit a reasonable amount of money in my account a week to my interview date, it will be seen as money lodgement-which is very bad. so against all odds, I am planning to present a sponsorship statement of account from my brother who has a different surname with mine. pls dear, advice me on the best possible way to tackle this stumbling block of sponsorship and difference in surname. would it really affect my application considering the fact that i've already paid tuition fee and housing fee? waiting to hear from you soonest. thanks
I'm just trying to work out how a (male) person who you said is your brother could have a different surname from yours, it would be understandable if we're talking about a female whose surname is susceptible to change on marital ground.
Well, however this may have happened and for whatever reason, it will onlyy be reasonable if there exist a document that declares the event, and in the absence of such, I don't see how you can prove him as a brother

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