₦airaland Forum

coogar:
no one is saying taking drugs is good. . . . . .but some people out of their carelessness or the environment they were bred picked up the habit. . . became addicted to it. . . .so what do you do to them? condemn them, put them against the wall and have them shot?

That is precisely the problem engaging in drugs in the first place bro, I think the effort should be directed at aviodance rather than justifying or rationalising the merits/demerits of taking drugs.

You asked what do you to them if they take it and become addicted? Excellent but complex question! Amy's dad did absolutely everything to help her to no avail. This man even passionately appealed to her suppliers on TV, the reality is once you are hooked, it becomes exponentially difficult to get off it.

Hence, my arguement that trying to rationalise any advantages derived from drugs is counter-intuitive and daft in my opinion.

I have read some of the posts on this thread and have come to two conclusions:

1. Taking drugs aint good for you- Simples! I dont care how some posters try to justify their claims. It is not rocket science what Cocaine, heroein etc does to the human mind and the effects on our wellbeing. Some posters here are either reading too many left-wing blogs (and as a result coming to conclusions they do not understand themselves just to look cool) OR they are simply in denial and bringing up false arguements to explain behaviours they themselves engage in.

2. Amy Winehouse was undoubtedly a talented artist and she could have been bigger if she exercised some level of self discipline and reason. I am very sad at the loss of such a potential talent(funny I said potential, because she has already won grammies but she could have gone further). The truth, however,is no one was really was surprised at her demise, it was only a matter of time really!

She had help and she didnt take it, I think that instead of brickerring endlessly, her life should be used as an example to the youths that drugs generally destroys you!

A-40:
Very un-Nadallike i must say or maybe Djokovic just raised his game a notch i think its more of the latter! The kind of balls i saw Djoker return that day had my jaws to the floor!! Lets see if he can keep this kind of tennis up! The US open is up and as we all know the hardcourt is his favorite surface and you have to wonder can he be stopped this year? I also think King Rafa needs to put a little umph in his serves

I agree with you on this. Novak has evidently upped his game and his hardwork has been rewarded with a 46-1 winning record this year. There is no gain saying he is the favourite for the US open as the hard courts are his fav, but saying that, he has two formidable challengers in the form of Nadal and Fed, dangerous opponents to say the least!

There are two ways this would play out: Nadal and Fed coming through with a vengeance and regaining their hegemonic hold on men's tennis or Novak showing he is truly number one! that remains to be seen.

One crucial point you made is Nadal's first serves, totally ridiculous at Wimbledon, I was shocked! hope he improves on it. He was broken several times at the tourney and that is what eventually caused him the much needed 11th Grand slam!

As for Murray, he has a lot to learn and I dont think he has a chance till next year at the least!

I am not sure if this has been put up yet so I apologise for any duplication of posts that may arise!

Just reflecting on this piece from BBC - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13459870.stm


I understand that discipline is very important in all endeavours in life and in fact it is a key variable in attaining success, as humans we are not naturally programmed to be disciplined. It is a learnt virtue mainly due to familial, environmental and societal influences.

Not to digress from the topic, I feel Siasia's decision to exclude Osaze from the the upcoming friendlies is a bad decision. Osaze erred by displaying lack of respect for the office of the coach and also exhibiting basic error in judgement, however, excluding the Nigerian player that arguably had the best season in Europe because of this is baffling, considering that Nigerian football is not comprised of monumental availabilty of talents at the moment. I understand the need to exercise control as a coach but you cannot act as if you are coaching the Brazillian or Argentinian team that can easily find readily available replacements or substitutes.

My main point is Siasia who is currently trying to recruit foreign born Nigerians to play football in Nigerian colours should a bit more pragmatic maybe even more forward-thinking.

Osaze had the opportunity to play for Ukraine/Russia but decided to play for Nigeria based on advise from his father, yet because of what can be considered as trivial disagreements that could have been resolved in-house, he decides to publicly humiliate him.

What precedents or more appropriately- what examples is he giving to future foreign born Nigerians that want to play for the country, is it the typical Nigerian do as I say and don't argue with me mentality? , Please discuss,

Sagamite:
Respect (Most Naija girls fail on this)
Fun
Sexiness
Tranquility (I like and I am used my solitude and time for intellectual meditation, leave me alone and stop seeking attention 24 hours)
Role Identification (I am unashamedly Alpha-male, if that is the role you want, it is best you are not in a relationship with me. Go and look for a metro-sexual, dem plenty.)

Nice one and well thought points there but my concerns are twofold :

(1) Balancing those 5 variables you outlined without contradictions, for e.g. how can you achieve tranquility based on your definition as (leave me alone time) without jeopardising respect ( which you haven't defined) but I would assume it will be  a sort of mutuality in the relationship where there are elements of equality.

(2) I love your honesty about been an Alpha male, how do you think that would impact on the dynamics of a relationship when when one party expresses dominance over the other without having consequences.

Chyz*:
Most ethnically diversed cabinet in nigeria? Who told you that lie? Cross Rivers state alone is a babel, check the different ethnicity in their cabinet. I guess you haven't check the Riverstate cabinet,not to talk of up north. Also, I don't think Igbo,Hausa,etc. would be complaining of not having spots in his cabinet if it was the "most diverse". Heck, even the aworis were claiming discrimination of getting spots in his cabinet.

Oversaw the most ambitious project in West-Africa(Eko Atlantic)? Where that come from?! And what is ment by "most ambitious"?

Isn't Amaechis monorail like complete right now?.

Bad examples you gave,dude.

It is obvious you do not have basic skills in the presentation of arguements in a debate. I am not disputing your points because I am not fully privy to the facts in terms of the compostion of the cabinets in the states you have mentioned.

In future, it would be helpful to the reader if you actually state actual facts, in this case, how diversified the cabinets of these states are in comparison to the subject you are making an arguement against.

Making statements such as ' you havent checked the cabinet structure of one state' is a calamitous attempt at negating the statement made by the poster.

Do you have information about the actual composition of the cabinets of Rivers and Cross Rivers states? If you do, can you then explain how they are more diversified compared to Lagos State?

Ileke-IdI:
Some people must think nursing is easy at a PhD level. It's not.

It's impressive and they make a huge amount of money.

I agree with you. It is very amusing reading some of the posts on this thread, I have heard it all now and it simply amazes me how myopic and uneducated some folks are.

What this woman decides to do with her life in terms of her career choice is absolutely her business, remember she is not a teenager but a mother to one actually. Understandably, most comments are making valid comparisons between her prospects as a Nollywood actress as opposed to her current choice of being a nurse in the US. I am not privy to her motivation in life and likewise majority of posters in Nairaland.

In relation to the various extrapolations about the opportunity cost of her decision to leave the film industry in Nigeria and pursue a career in Nursing in America, i can only say we are not soothsayers , she might have figured that the film industry in Nigeria would not serve her best interest considering many factors, mostly unknown to us and most importantly none of our business!

My main issue here is the crass and uninformed belittling of her achievements, (a particular poster named Ystranger has consistently suggested that a Phd in nursing is below par for some odd reason) . I totally agree that different courses have different difficulty levels, but to conclude that a Phd in nursing is inferior to other doctorate degrees is very naive and disingenious especially if the research degree is attained in a structured research environment as opposed to (for instance) an online Phd or the ones most politicians in Nigeria purchase for the sake of being referred to as a DOCTOR.

I dont care how much she makes from it ( but please be aware that she would make a lot as a doctor of nursing which has a reputation for very rigourous and well structured qualitative research methodological and paradigmatic backgrounds) but she has made herself happy by attaining such a qualification and has set an example for others to follow.

I am really worried about the gubernatorial / state assembly polls next weekend ( I believe it is next week anyway), I hope that the voting pattern of the presidential elections in the south would not be repeated.

This would have a catastrophic effect on the aspirations of ACN especially in the South west, it seems that the voting timetable will be beneficial to PDP as they currently have momentum.

dayokanu:
2-1
Game on

Goal Muller Etoo and Gomez

This is a beautiful moment! Dayokanu my brother can you explain or justify the outcome of this match after your relentless criticism of other clubs? I suppose your Bayern team is not as infallable as you have consistently portrayed!, , they were beaten at home for F sake

Hmm, some interesting parts of the story:

Police believe the two had a prior relationship since Kato stood as surety for Nsubuga during a January bail hearing where Nsubuga was released on remand after an arrest for theft, according to Kayihura.

Following his release from prison, Nsubuga, who has a long criminal record, began working on Kato's property doing domestic labour, Kayihura said.

"According to the suspect , he negotiated with the deceased to be paid money as he was being used as a sexual partner, but that the promise was never fulfilled," Kayihura said.


Basically, I believe dude wanted to take advantage of the guy and he got the wrong end of the stick!,

Like I said all along, a lot of folks were a bit premature in making definitive conclusions as to the motive behind the death of Mr. Kato.

AP reports that a male prostitute has been arrested for his murder:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ihVH6Ahnbnhdo3CqrEDT3mCBknKg?docId=CNG.9057dbf4f3db02f92ea39216b26eb623.8a1

I cannot obviously attest to the genuity of the report but it is quite possible.

Jenifa_:
^ lol
even the catholic church is beginning to waver on it's stance against contraception.

I don't like your ridiculous idea that people choose to be gay but that's your opinion. lol
In my opinion, I think that hormone level during female pregnancy may play a role.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenatal_hormones_and_sexual_orientation

Fair enough that you disagree with me, but do not refer to my assertion as ridiculous if you negate it with a wikipedia source!!!.

I briefly read the "article" that you really believe explains homosexuality but I am afraid it is very disjointed and looks more than a conspiracy theory rather than a valid explanation. Even a cursory look at some of the assumptions been put forward suggests that it was done by researchers trying to get in  papers for journals at all cost.

You will agree with me that homosexuality has definitively exacerbated sexually transmitted diseases, notably HIV, Admittedly, the major problem is people (mainly dudes on the down low) who are homosexuals. Scientifically and naturally, gays  have a disproportionate higher chance of transmitting these diseases,


I am looking at this at a peripheral level, but there is a reason why the male/female sexes have different reproductive organs, whether you believe in God, Nature or nothing at all, whatever formed us that way had a basic purpose  that wasnt meant  to be eroded.

This thread never close??,

Like I said earlier on in the thread, there is a possibility that this Ugandan gay man was not killed based on his sexuality, there are numerous reasons why people are murdered.

However, If he was indeed killed because of his sexuality, then it is quite pathetic because while I disagree with homosexuality in all its ramifications, it is unjustifiable to kill gays unless it is a case of self defence based on an attempted forced participation in their activities. I would rather advocate meaningful debates in public fora.

I find some comments here quite interesting especially from the pro-gay camp, it is apparent that a minority of them have convictions about equality irrespective of the typology of people while most are just seeking to air their views on the internet.
What I find most disturbing is the lack of depth in arguements in regards to differentiation between social phenomena e.g. racism and homosexuality.

It is absolutely abysmal that anyone who supposedly does not have any agenda based ideology will put forth an arguement trying to equate those two. I am of the opinion that homosexuality is a chioce made due to a variety of reasons , chief among them , a very low self esteem and secondarily as a mode of rebellion ( a way of been defiant to normal norms).

In other news, the Ugandan case is causing a lot of acrimony in the Anglican church as the officiating priest ( An Anglican Bishop) at the burial of the gay man in Uganda openly condemned homosexuality, , Source below,


http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0130/anglicans.html

tensor777:
Well I just challenged your  concluding remarks, notwithstanding that I am in agreement with the other parts of your post, as you would know if you were to read through my posts on this thread.And I would still challenge the very subtle point you are making here as it seems you are slightly losing the plot.
For example would you post this if a paedophile were lynched. They too have their own "preferences" and beliefs remember.
As for sexuality I am not aware that faggottry has anything to do with sex as it involves mixing the male reproductive organ with human dung.

SEFAGO:
Good so you know nothing about science at all. It would do well to shut up, and let those who know science decide whether people are born gay. Yes, its perfectly logical to equate racism to homosexuality[b] because they both stem from the same primitive fear of the unknown[/b], of what the ignorant see as the unnatural

If you cannot see the similarity between racism and homosexuality then I will be honest- you must have a low IQ. Moreover, you dont expect all scientist anyways to be working on proving homosexuals are born gay. Some of us have more important things to do, and expect people to draw experiential and logical comparisons with no need for proof.

Haha, i am not here to justify my intellect. You raise a funny point  that I will briefly address, can you explain what what you mean by racism and homosexuality stemming from the same primitive fear of the unknown??, hmm

I never said I expected "all" scientists to work on validating homosexuality as a phenomenon, I simply said, if you read carefully, that based on the research conclusions that I have read, Im  not convinced, sue me!!!

You have shown vividly from your post that you have very little knowledge about research, I am very doubtful you are a scientist!!!, no disrespect.

If you were you would have negated my points with a sensible response with a clearly thought out critical analysis, Your response was shallow and lacked depth

Try again,

tensor777:
You seem to be slightly missing the plot with this your conclusion. Basically it is wrong to take anyone's life regardless of their lifestyle. That should be left to the courts.
BUT and this is where you have lost it: The fact that a man chooses to be a faggott AND A PRO FAGGOTT ACTIVIST does not make his murder more reprehensible in any way than the murder of any random person in the streets. MURDER IS MURDER

Hmmm, Its either you didnt have the patience to read the entire post or you are being deliberately subjuctive in your response! , lets try once more.

I said folks are coming to an early conclusion that the murder was hate related despite the fact we do not have any concrete evidence to support that assertion. I expressed my position on homosexual practices as way to show that if (being the operation word) indeed this man was killed due to his sexuality or sexual beliefs, then it would unacceptable.

To make it easier for you and (mens dept and others), I do not condone any violence on people based on their beliefs, sexuality or preferences, that is an individual decision as long as it is within the law but intrinsically I disgree with the concept of homosexuality, does that help??

To be frank, we cannot exactly confirm the motivation behind the murder.

Tellingly, the suspision will be that it is due to the fact that he is a known gay man in a country that apparently has an anti-homosexual mentality but we have heard of cases in homosexual relationships where jealousy has led to murder and where people have killed because they were being forced to have sex.I am not insinuating that this is what occured but I think some posters are jumping the gun before the law officials unravel the case.

In relation to the arguement on the thread, I am totally against homosexuality as I feel it is somewhat diabolical and on the borderline of been insane to engage in such activities, but then that is just my opinion and i will not shove it down anyone's throat, I do  believe  however that gay activists have smartly tried to equate their existence and survival by erroneously making comparisons with racisim, those mentioned phenomena have nothing in common. I keep hearing this analogy that some people are born gay , which are usually supported by some scientific researchers. I agree that I am not a typical scientist, well not the natural scientist but a social scientist and  as someone who has embrassed a positivist philosophical research standpoint, I am well conversant with the methodological process by which they make their assumptions and I am yet to be convinced with the research outcomes that support  homosexuality as being natural ( based on the ones I have come across anyway). Essentially, I can prove that I am black , I was born black and my ancestors were subjected to inhumane experiences and were labelled as inferior to other folks in the society and till today some minority of people still share that view.

However, I dont think anyone has the right to take the life of another based on prejudice or dissimilar views or perspectives, thats imbellic and displays basic immaturity.

tensor777:
You are just whining without adding anything constructive. Anyway they have made their rankings and confirms that Nigeria is not the most corrupt country in the world. Deal with that.
How would you even dispute that if you have not worked in or done business in a representative sample of third world countries is beyond me. SMH
The point we are making is that a serious government would first of all talk about things like privatization and security which are well within its powers to accomplish in the short term and which would have a salutary effect on economic prosperity,
Fine if you say corruption is an issue but the point is that little or no impact can be made without serious institutional reform of the law enforcement agencies.
That is not something that can be accomplished in the short-tern but the quicker it starts the better.

Bless!

Apart from your first sentence, most of what you have said implicitly validates my arguement.

First of, I never implied that Nigeria was the most corrupt country in the world, in fact i would challenge anyone that makes that assertion without a very very concise , valid and reliable research construct to support it . My point, which is similar to some posters here is no country can achieve any meaningful economic developement ( not growth) without curtailing systemic corrupt practices.

You mention institutional reform of law enforcement agencies?? I dont need to educate you that the law enforcement in most democracies will be a reflection of political and judicial psyche of the nation, in other words , until you sort our the mess that constitutes the political structure of Nigeria and even more importantly the societal attitudes of the average Nigerian citizen, you have absolutely no chance of any institutional reform in the law enforcement agencies ( they are part of the society).

Nigeria has made billions of dollars from petroleum exports, the truth is only a few have enjoyed it, why is that??

eku_bear:
Alright, so I guess we've come to a consensus.

If you believe that these external rankings of Nigeria's corruption are wrong (e.g., Nigeria should be 170 rather than 134 or even last, let's say), I can understand your perspective.

However, hopefully it is clear that if indeed these rankings are roughly accurate, Nigeria's biggest problem is not in fact corruption.

I don't have time to look more closely at their methodology, but perhaps I (or someone else here) can look deeply into it and find out how exactly their methodology underestimates the corruption levels in Nigeria relative to the countries ranked after it! (this is a key point that some here seem to be missing. . .)

What is vitally missing in your arguement is a comparison between the potential and the actual state of affairs in these countries
I advise you to look at the countries beneath Nigeria in the rankings and see the sorry state we are in. Senegal , Mali, Burkina faso are rated above us , big problem

fstranger1:
Bad belle!

I try as much as possible to refrain from making personal insults but you Sir with that comment needs urgent medical examination.

So you are of the opinion that three sibblings from the same family should remain jobless simply because their father/ mother/ ward etc has enough money stolen from the country to support them and remain dependent on them ??, and yet some folks here are arguing that corruption is not the biggest problem we have in Nigeria,

I will use a nairaland cliche, i laugh in yoruba,

eku_bear:
Exactly. Privatization and shrinking of the government and its functions seems equally large a priority to me.

eku_bear:
Anyway, long story short. . . corruption in Nigeria vs. that in the US is not what I'm using to say that corruption might be blamed too much for Nigeria's ills. I initially compared Nigeria to its peers (as ranked by measures like the CPI), not to the US.

I apologise but that is quite nonsensical.  If you take a closer look at the CPI and the methodology that they use, Nigeria performs very badly on most parameters even relative to known corrupt countries like honduras, azeibajan  bangladesh etc. Realistically , we do not need any research to know we have huge problems with corruption. Nigeria is essentially synonymous with acute dishonesty globally, while there is evidence to support this assertion, it does not mean that every Nigerian is corrupt.

No country makes any meaningful progression when  corruption is pandemic in its society. I agree with you that every country has elements of corrupt practices but I think it is scale and the scope of it that is an issue in Nigeria.

For e.g. why is it so easy for any Nigerian to possess more than one passport, usually certified by the Immigration services? Because it is the culture, there is no accountability and even there was, in most cases there are no repercussions. The population of Nigeria is statistically averaged at 150 million, we could be less, most probably we are more, but how can we tell?? the answer - systemic corruption and selfish vested interests, we need someone pragmatic to solve that !! GEJ cant

This is a bit tangential to the topic but I am amazed by some of the posts on this thread. How any righthinking and self-respecting Nigerian cannot figure that corruption is the bane of our country is simply beyond me.

We do need any world bank/imf/oecd report for us to appreciate the severity of the damage corruption has done to this country in terms of development, reputation and even the continual threat to the Nigerian polity. Some posters have argued that the country has major constraints with regards to her infrastructural base i.e. electricity, roads, healthcare etc and like other posters have rightly pointed out , these failures are bascically as a result of the gross mismanagement of national funds aka , corruption.

I dont know Ribadu too well but I am aware that he successfully targetted and prosecuted corrupt Nigerians when he was in charge of the EFCC, something Nigeria had never experienced prior to this and incidentally during his tenure, Nigeria's ratings in terms of the widely quoted corruption index  by TCI and World bank Business indicators slightly improved.
I am not too sure he will win but I am very sure he is a better candidate for the office than GEJ, for someone that has a Phd in whatever field of study, I am absolutely disappointed in his communication skills, his level of discourse and analytical skills. He comes across as timid and lacking in self confidence. While Ribadu does not have the so called educational resume that GEJ posseses, he does a far better job at articulating his points and based on his performance at EFCC, I will consider the best candidate so far.

GAR3TH:
@ viewlekan

some good points,

but in my opinion many of nigeria's problems can be solve without splitting. it just seems crazy to me that splitting will be the answer.

@ topic  if you ask me splitting nigeria is ones personal motive. okay tell if you split nigeria what would you do next. you will go after the problems that your new country has such as infrastructure, education, violences etc. so why cant you do that with nigeria right now? why not just go after nigeria's problems and fix them. basically splitting is unnessasary.

As you can see from my post, I am not explicitly advocating for Nigeria to split up. I was merely replying to your post where you infered that Nigeria had made progress, I disagree with that assertion,

Disintegration of any nation is a very complex issue, more so for a  convoluted structure that encapsulates the Nigerian story. I am a firm a believer that Nigeria is  powerful as a unified entity but in reality we have failed to harness these potentials for over 50 years and I cant see us doing so in the nearest future.

GAR3TH:
if you believe nigeria has not changed then i'm sorry, but the fact is nigeria of today is better than the nigeria of 1960. you can argue blindly about   the facts, data, reports and first hand experience about it. yes nigeria is no wonder land, but it has improved as is still improving. and to say that i'm the one who cann't face the truth is just ignorance. since anyone can easliy obtain the information that nigeria is improving.

the only reason why this thread was created was because the op is brainwashed by islamophobia and the natural lust that Nigerians have for bad news. i've been on nairaland long enough to witness that every time something bad happens in nigeria some one always create one of these silly splitting thread. go look in the nairaland archives and you'll see lots of these. but every time good news is posted about nigeria nobody response to the post. they all turn a blind eye, same with islamophobia. when christians attack muslims no body post and every one turns a blind eye, but when muslims attack it becomes a hot topic.

I am sorry, I utterly disagree wit you. Nigeria has made very little progress since independence and that is a fact. In 50 years, progress has been very slow to say the least, all the things you will consider as progress are by products of advancement in technology that most countries have to keep up with to be functional e.g. mobile phones, computers etc. In reality we are in the same category as most underdeveloped countries in Africa. The nation's educational system is simply abysmal, we have no proper regional planning in place except in highbrow areas in major cities, we have very chaotic power supply, we have no meaningful industrial policy in place, systemic failure in politics and governance, still highly dependent on oil revenue while other potentially gainful sectors are ignored because of laziness.
In 1966, UNCTAD predicted that Malaysia, South Korea and Nigeria will become economically vibrant countries by the mid-eighties due to projections based on both natural resources and human capital, while the former two have achieved some level of progress, Nigeria has largely depreciated in all economic, social and political indexes. The reason we are still relevant in global discourse is due to the oil in this country and as we all know this resource is not finite, it will expire at some point. While countries with little or nothing are progressing, we engage in endless brickering and strife despite our claim of having well educated folks. Unfortunately, most of the west enjoy this because it validates their assertion that nothing good can come out of Africa and to some extent their theory seems to have some empirical evidence.

I am not in support of Nigeria splitting mainly because of the needless bloodshed that occur but in reality, it might be necessary for some sections of the polity to attain their potentials. Some sections of Nigerians are happy with the status quo- chop I chop philosophy at the detriment of the ordinary Nigerian, it is not sustainable or realistically viable, when push comes to shove, the country will split up.

And just to correct the OP ,Herman Van Rompuy is not the prime minister of Begium anymore, he is currently the President of the EU council, not that it matters or  skew your analysis.

I will however agree with the poster that said you ommitted several other presidents/ prime ministers that could have impacted on the average age in both regions. I personally do not think age is an important factor in determining the performance of a leader, the most crucial element is the political and institutional framework of the country, for instance the USA, UK and most developed countries could have a leader of any age but will still function because of an established system that ensures accountabilty in the form of checks and balances, hence, no matter how noble the intentions of a policy recommendation by a leader might seem, it still must pass through a rigorous democratic process except in extenuating circumstances where the leader can use veto powers.

Unfortunately the reverse is the case in most African countries where politics is shambolic and self interest is the main motivation for holding public office. I think that is the bane of governance in Africa, and not age.

dayokanu:
You mean he can save from the $150 per month?

Assuming he doesnt spend anything and he saves everything. How long would it take him to save up to buy what he wants.

The way you talk people would know you know nothing about Nigeria. Ask people who lived in Nigeria . I had a professor in Ife who used to drive a 1975 beetle and the door wouldnt close because he was too poor and underpaid to buy another.

BTW No Licensed medical Doctor in the US makes less than $150k a yr.  Any Doctor in US would own a House and drive any car of his choice.

I know one Nigerian Doc in a church I once attended who makes over $700k a yr as a Neurosurgeon

Dayo, I totally agree with you that professionals have far better oppurtunities in terms of career progression especially relating to development and pay when they are lucky to be resident in developed countries, however, I honestly question the validity of the assertion made by the Professor you met.

It is totally nonsensical for anyone to claim or even suggest that a professor in Nigeria was earning 10000 naira in 1997, that is simply false or just an attempt to exaggerate their bad working conditions and also justify their decision to emmigrate. If he was teaching in a federal university, which I believe he was, the minimum salary in 1997 was about 60000 per month for senior lecturer 1 and 11 positions, so his story about getting 10000 naira is simply ludicrous and on the borderline of extreme deception and falsification of facts.  Having said that, everyone , well most folks, have there own individual aspirations and dreams and it is no ones business how they legitimately try to achieve these aspirations.

In answer to the issue on this thread, one observable fact is that a lot of folks over -simplify the challenges attached with moving to N.America or Europe. Dayo if you can recollect when we were all planning to move abroad, we used to say we would walk anywhere to save money comparing it our treks from the cyber cafe in Ikeja to Egbeda, it is when get there that you realise that it is a different ball game entirely. Another lesson learnt from my own experience is that no matter how much research you have carried out, it will be different in real life, the clue in my own opinion is to involve yourself in productive endeavours and keep your head down, the fact is that [i]majority [/i]of deportees are usually caught engaging themselves in some form of illegality, fact!!

I live in Ireland and travel to the UK often as missus is from there and have seen loads of Nigerians living in both countries illegally for years and just bidding their time to take the right shot at legalising their stay and I continue to hear positive stories. Putting aside bad luck and "winches" from home it is possible,

Just my 4 cents,

Never knew the dude personally but read some of his posts on Nairaland, although I disagreed with his stance on some issues , he generally came across as a stand-up guy.

I genuinely wish his family the courage to deal with his demise, it is difficult to loose a child , especially a promising one at that, I hope he finds the peace that we all yearn for,

Seun:
If they are so influential, how come we've not heard of them before?
How come they are all in the entertainment business? No engineers?

In all honesty, how many under-20s are Engineers ,although I agree with you that most of them are in the entertainment business.

Surely, there are some under-20s that are innovative entrepreneurs in Nigeria- that is what I will regard as influential.

Katsumoto:
In every cloud there is a silver lining. Are the western countries not exploiting the SouthEast asian countries for labour, land, and military purposes. They have been doing that to them for years but there leaders came to a realisation one day and turned it into an advantage. If Africans can not seek to protect themselves and seek adavntages in their relationship with the West, who do you blame? Most of the SouthEast Asian countries are growing and will continue to grow for the foreseeable future. Is competition not a by-product of capitalism? Is competition not responsible for Western countries moving production to Asian? Who got the benefit of competition? Asia, and why did Africa not get it? Because of poor infrastructure, unstable governments, etc

Any soverreign nation that goes to another group of nations to borrow money will get exploited. Did the UK government of Harold Wilson not go to the IMF in 1976? Britain was forced to accept a SAP. It had to make deep cuts, increase taxation. Fast forward to 2010, has Britain not instituted SAP again, although not forced by the IMF but by the money markets. Did Greece, Ireland, Portugal, and Spain not go to the IMF and Germany this year as well? They will be running SAP programmes for the next four years and in the case of Greece, even longer. Nations are not too different from individuals and corporations in that, when you do not manage your resources competently, you get punished whether you are a rich nation or not.

If Capitalism was so bad, why was it adopted by China, Vietnam, and Russia? Does China not have the world's largest cash reserve today? Capitalism is like other philosophies such as religion. The teachings are not wrong; it is usually man's implementation that is at fault.

The highlighted quote above best encapsulates the best reponse to the thread!

I am not a fan of capitalism, mainly because as a concept it is intrinsically left to the whims and caprises of human behaviour, which inevitably is transcient in nature.

However, like some posters have pointed out, it is the most reasonable of the contemporary  economic/social philosophies- mainly because it rewards the hardworking "risk taker"  who in turn creates jobs for the less motivated.

It is important to note that the theoretical framework and operationalisation of capitalism are two different issues, hence , we can observe that people refer to the US and for e.g. UK as capitalist countries, theorectically this is true but in practice, its a bit more convoluted due to the European model of social inclusivity.

If we critically apppraise capitalism in light of the recent economic impasse, it will seem that there has been a paradigmatic shift from the the free market , capitalist model but the fact is that the " market knows all" attitude of the  US Fed, IMF, World Bank has been defeated (probably momentarily) and it has shown the need for some of control and intervention to negate what Keynsians call "animal spirits".

In summary, as someone that lives in Europe, I think as much as I question Obama's strategy , America's capitalist system ( albeit with policy interventions) has the mythical "invisible hand" to correct market inefficiencies unlike Europe that is made up of a complex economic systems ( quite unsimilar in nature) but desperately trying to salvage a lost cause, the EURO which is seen an economic success in terms of integration is facing monumental challenges because of the incompatible political realities,

Enough of the rabble,

dayokanu:
Lekan na my number 1 personal person before dem send am comot for Naija. He nearly ran all the SHAYO joint in our area out of business Because they couldnt attend to other customers he drinks all the beer by himself.

See this https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=486794.msg6476657#msg6476657

Saga.

The prenup should have a 15yrs clause in it where after 15-20yrs of marriage it becomes Null and void

Dayo u dey craze, lol

It was a joint effort between yourself, Niyi, Hakeem, Taofeek and humble me playing a minor role in the whole dynamic. I was reliably informed that Tuns Bar has erected a statue of Dayo at the joint in recognition of your legendary consumption of alcohol.

With regards to the pre-nup issue, personally I dont bother my head with it much. When I become very wealthy and my wife decides to ask for half of my wealth, I will simply relocate to Nigeria asap. It will be very interesting to see how such demands will be accommodated in Nigeria.

dayokanu:
Lekan,

Its almost impossible. You cant really know people human beings and their intentions. Especially women.

Most people who got skinned by their wives at some time too thought they had ideal partners until the woman pulled it on him.

Lekan I used to think I was smart and could figure out everything until I heard some stories about how women wrecked some ppl

I am not against Child support to cater for the kids you have togther as long as I am sure it goes directly to the welfare of the child. In America you would see women using the Child support checks to make their hair, paint their nails and do other useless stuffs not related to the child.

But splitting into half? Lailai. Where was the woman when her husband was slaving away and labouring to be rich Maybe sitting at home watching "Housewives of Atlanta" and now she wants half.

Lekan you remember the case of Femi and how the woman cleaned him out, If not for God the guy for don turn pauper now. Thats someone that had about 12 cars at the peak of things

NB: Do you know if you have any issue with your wife, In America the law kicks you out and award her the house regardless of her contribution to the mortgage?

If I go get house for here, It would be in my brothers name who is in Naija. Shikena

Dayo O ye mi!!


I totally agree with you, but my arguement is, is this so called pre-nup legally binding

F's case is totally different, he laid his bed and now he is laying on it.

The truth is that, the legal system today  in western countries, most judicial outcomes will side with the woman , especially when kids are involved.

Do I have an answer to your question?, No

But all I know it is your prerogative to make sure you make the right choice.

I know I make it sound  very simple but honestly , marriage is not essential these days.