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PoliticsRe: Ex-niger Delta Militants Invade Abuja To Protest Unpaid Allowances by violent(op): 8:33pm On Feb 23, 2011
You know you are in naija when you hear of people protesting default of payment for doing absolutely nothing!
RomanceRe: Hiv Testing Realistic Requirement For Dating? by violent(m): 8:27pm On Feb 23, 2011
^^^

Then you must have been living recklessly to be in such situation.
RomanceRe: Love Portion Wahalah: Please Don't Try This At Home! by violent(m): 8:22pm On Feb 23, 2011
I don't think people find articles such as this by accident.  Someone must have Googled "How to make love portion".

. whoever did the Googling, we all should collectively pray that he/she/it regains sanity in due time.
PoliticsRe: Ex-niger Delta Militants Invade Abuja To Protest Unpaid Allowances by violent(op): 8:12pm On Feb 23, 2011
huh huh

PoliticsRe: Ex-niger Delta Militants Invade Abuja To Protest Unpaid Allowances by violent(op): 8:10pm On Feb 23, 2011
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PoliticsEx-niger Delta Militants Invade Abuja To Protest Unpaid Allowances by violent(op): 8:10pm On Feb 23, 2011
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PoliticsRe: World Governments Scrabble To Evacuate Nationals From Libya. by violent(op): 4:51pm On Feb 23, 2011
Looks as though no ones gives a fúck if Nigerians in Libya are slaughtered or roasted by Gaddafi's killing machines  cry cry
PoliticsWorld Governments Scrabble To Evacuate Nationals From Libya. by violent(op): 4:42pm On Feb 23, 2011
Governments around the world are making a run to get their citizens out of volatile Libya. Here is a country-by-country breakdown:


TURKEY
Two ferry boats carrying more than 3,000 Turks left the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi early Wednesday morning, the foreign ministry in Turkey said. Two more ferry boats -- each capable of carrying 1,200 people -- are headed to the North African nation. The boats will carry food and medical supplies for Libyans as demanded by the Turkish prime minister, the foreign ministry said. The ministry added that in addition to the daily scheduled flights by Turkish Airlines to Tripoli, seven more planes are on standby in case it is permitted to fly to Benghazi airport or make additional flights to Tripoli. Since Saturday, Turkey has evacuated 2,100 citizens from Libya, the ministry said.


BRITAIN
The British Foreign Office said a charter flight is leaving Gatwick Airport early Wednesday afternoon for Tripoli, and will be carrying supplies of food and water for British nationals at the airport in the Libyan capital. A second flight will leave the U.K. as soon as possible, the Foreign Office said. A consular team from the British Embassy is already on the ground at Tripoli's airport and is in place to assist British nationals. That team will be reinforced by two specialist consular teams, one of which has already arrived in Libya. The other is on the charter flight from Gatwick, the Foreign Office said.
The British Embassy is in contact with about 300 British nationals in and around Tripoli and was giving them instructions on how to catch the charter flights, the office explained.
Britain said its citizens who don't have "a pressing need to remain in the country should leave by commercial means if it is safe to do so." The government was advising Britons who want to leave Libya but can't buy tickets online "to travel to the airport carrying sufficient cash to buy tickets."
British Airways and BMI canceled its flights to and from Tripoli for Wednesday, and was reviewing flights scheduled to depart later in the week.

FRANCE
The foreign ministry in France said that it had sent three planes to Libya to help repatriate French citizens and that its embassy in Tripoli was helping to get citizens to the airport.

SAUDI ARABIA
Saudi Arabia said it is sending a special passenger plane to Tripoli Wednesday morning.

SYRIA
Syria said it will send two flights Wednesday morning and had sent two others Tuesday to run between Damascus and Tripoli. The Syrian Arab News Agency said the country is ready to launch an "unlimited number of flights if necessary." It added that Syria may also send a ship to the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi to help evacuate Syrians.

THE NETHERLANDS
The government in the Netherlands said a military plane and a Dutch frigate would help evacuate its nationals in Libya.

THE UNITED STATES
The United States State Department was not able to land charter planes in Tripoli to fly out U.S. citizens because Libyan authorities did not give permission for those aircraft to land, a senior administration official said Tuesday. So, the State Department was chartering a ferry to take travelers from central Tripoli's As-shahab port to Valletta, Malta, on Wednesday.
The American embassy in Libya confirmed that the ferry was anchored near the harbor of the As-shahab Port in central Tripoli. The processing of U.S. citizens had begun and seats were still available. Travelers should have all proper travel documents and may bring one suitcase and one carry-on item, the embassy said. Pets are allowed, but must meet stringent EU requirements once they reach Malta. The passengers will be required to reimburse the U.S. government later. U.S. military forces have not been requested to assist in the evacuation of American citizens from Libya, Pentagon spokesman Col. Dave Lapan said.

CANADA
Foreign Minister Lawrence Cannon said on Tuesday Canada intended to evacuate its citizens. Ottawa, which earlier in the day said it had no such plans, announced the evacuation after Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi vowed to crush a growing revolt. Cannon said the first Canadian flight would arrive in Tripoli on Thursday. Of the 321 Canadians registered with the embassy, 91 have so far expressed a wish to leave.

INDIA

India is finalizing plans to evacuate all 18,000 of its nationals from Libya, the country’s foreign secretary said late on Tuesday, hours after local media reported the death of an Indian in a road collision in the country.
India’s foreign ministry plans to move 13,000 nationals in Tripoli to Tunisia, and the remainder in the east of the country to Egypt, before transferring them on ships and aircraft, the Indian Express reported on Wednesday, citing a ministry official.

JAPAN:
Kyodo news agency reported that about 20 Japanese people in Libya were set to leave the country on Tuesday on charter flights. About 50-60 Japanese are still in the country.

Zambia
Zambia’s foreign affairs minister Kabinga Pande said in the capital Lusaka on Wednesday that 42 Zambians will be flwon out of Libya anytime.He said those to be evacuated include embassy staff and a footballer.

NIGERIA


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PoliticsRe: Gaddafi's Amazonian Guards - Nsfw by violent(m): 12:04am On Feb 23, 2011
[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=610188.msg7782404#msg7782404 date=1298412653]Are women guards more trustworthy than men?

They shouldn't be much less effective imo (unless it comes down to hand-to-hand combat), since they'll be heavily armed. I think I've read somewhere that women are more accurate with guns than men are, lol.

I wonder what motivated his decision.[/quote]A special training college puts those chics through a tough physical programme and girls who don't drop out emerge as trained killers, experts in firearms and martial arts. The girls wear lipstick, jewellery, polished nails, even high heels - but their armed combat training has been tested more than once.

In 1998 one of them was killed and seven others wounded when Islamic fundamentalists in Libya ambushed the Colonel's motorcade. The dead girl, Aisha, rumoured to be his favourite, threw herself across Gaddafi's body to stop the bullets.

All of his girls are said to swear an oath that they will give their lives for him and it is claimed they never leave his side, night or day, and he insists they remain virgins. . .oh well!
Foreign AffairsRe: Mercenaries In Libya Captured And Beaten By A Mob!--video by violent(op): 5:11pm On Feb 22, 2011
4.) if there is "DISCONTENT" with a government in the West (just like we have with Obama V.s the Tea Party recently) do the people "violently overthrow" the government? Do other people finance (or have the right to) finance citizens who are against the current government OR do they wait till the next election to VOTE THEM OUT?
Recent Tuition fee increase in the U.K caused a lot of massive demonstration (and we say it all on T.V), did Nigerian or Egyptian or Russian government "comment, incite or encourage" the protesters? (even some of them were arrested and charged to court for criminal offenses). Why is it different when it comes to "Africans or Muslim countries"? Is it one law for them and another for the Western countries?
Whathuhhuhhuhhuhhuh I can't remember when last i read a heap load of crap!

In the UK, governmental policies are subjected to approval of a congress, which means, the people have a say in how the government is ran. I find it amazing and surprising that you compare that with Libya, a country without constitution and one in which Ghadaffi's statements is considered as the Law?Between the two, I would expect that if not blinded by sentiments, you'd be smart enough, to discern one which is more desirable!
The protesters in Libya are Libyans, not Americans nor Britons. why is that difficult for you to understand? Did the US encourage all those people in Libya to go out and face certain death in the hands on unruly mercenaries who take no prisoners?
PoliticsRe: Good Heavens! Iran Warships Reach Suez Canal, Israel On Red Alert! by violent(m): 9:00am On Feb 22, 2011
homerac7:
BTW, what kind of diplomatic statement do u make wt an ordinary frigate and its supply ship against such a military might as Israel?
It's an act of provocation.

Israeli military are now saying they wouldn't hesitate to sink the frigate and the supply ships in matter of minutes if they make a positive identification of acts that could be interpreted as confrontational.
PoliticsRe: Good Heavens! Iran Warships Reach Suez Canal, Israel On Red Alert! by violent(m): 7:44am On Feb 22, 2011
[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=609618.msg7777293#msg7777293 date=1298350697]This is no threat to Israel so why the alarm. I think they are just trying to get the U.S onto their side, because they have a strained relationship with the U.S. now. And now they are increasingly, being surrounded by unfriendly regimes. [/quote]who says Israel has a strained relationship with the US?. . .duh!  

In Israel-American relationship, it's more than clear that Israel is the dominant partner and the US will bend on all sides to keep em satisfied.

America already has 5 warships deployed around that area as we speak
PoliticsRe: Where Are the Nigerian Mercenaries Shooting Libyans In Cold Blood Based? by violent(m): 1:08am On Feb 22, 2011
$2,000 a day? wow, Americans are at it again, the dollar sign says it all! lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed
Foreign AffairsRe: Mercenaries In Libya Captured And Beaten By A Mob!--video by violent(op): 12:19am On Feb 22, 2011
There is a rumour going around that they will receive 9,000 euros for every Libyan they deliver dead. [Some websites cite figures as high as 22,000 euros other cite a per diem of 370 euros. These rumours have not been confirmed]. What we do know is that they do not speak the local Arabic. Often, they speak English or French.
East of the country, mercenaries were hunted down by protestors with police help. Sending in mercenaries [to intimidate demonstrators] is a strategic mistake for Gaddafi. The only thing it does is convince police officers and soldiers to turn against the regime. In Al Baida, Derna and Benghazi the family members of local police officers are taking part in the protests. Even in the army’s core, there are renown soldiers resigning across Benghazi and Sirte. [The International Federation for Human Rights confirmed to AFP Monday that army resignations will give way for cities “to fall”].

Today, these three towns were surrounded by mercenary troops. One of my sources in Benghazi told me that some of them were captured by protesters. That’s how we know that they’re from Chad or Mauritania. They’re dressed in military uniforms and they sometimes wear yellow helmets. They’re dressed like Gaddafi’s soldiers but they are black”.
http://observers.france24.com/content/20110221-alleged-african-mercenary-captured-libya-Gaddafi-unrest-Benghazi-Libyan-youth-movement
Foreign AffairsRe: Mercenaries In Libya Captured And Beaten By A Mob!--video by violent(op): 12:17am On Feb 22, 2011
In the video, the captured man answers questions being asked by the mob of protestors in Arabic.

A protestor: “Who is giving you orders”?

The man: “They come from up high. I swear, I swear…orders, orders”.

A protestor: “They told you to fire at us”?

The man: “Yes, yes”.

The mob begins to fight. Numerous voices begin to shout “no, don’t do that…make him talk. We cannot act like they do”.
Foreign AffairsMercenaries In Libya Captured And Beaten By A Mob!--video by violent(op): 12:16am On Feb 22, 2011
PoliticsRe: Where Are the Nigerian Mercenaries Shooting Libyans In Cold Blood Based? by violent(m): 12:03am On Feb 22, 2011
It would be too early to preempt that they are Nigerians except of course there is a strong tangible reason to believe so. I doubt if anyone could provide a valid evidence at this point, the best we could do is to speculate.
PoliticsRe: One Of The Party Should Please Summit My Name For President Adesegun Musiwa by violent(m): 11:06pm On Feb 21, 2011
nice one becomerich, good strategy, afterall you don't need much voters from the north, your variants of becomriches could easily give us the numbers over there, last time i checked, you have up to a million of those.

and as for the south, just leave that to me, . . Go jor, Fresh air!, Fresh maps!
PoliticsPeople Arrested In Zimbabwe For watching videos by violent(op): 10:53pm On Feb 21, 2011
JOHANNESBURG — Dozens of students, trade unionists and political activists who gathered to watch Al Jazeera and BBC news reports on the uprisings that brought down autocrats in Tunisia and Egypt have been arrested on suspicion of plotting to oust President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe.

James Sabau, a spokesman for the police, which is part of the security services controlled by Mr. Mugabe’s party, was quoted in Monday’s state-controlled newspaper as saying that the 46 people in custody were accused of participating in an illegal political meeting where they watched videos “as a way of motivating them to subvert a constitutionally elected government.”

The evidence seized by the police included a video projector, two DVD discs and a laptop.

Lawyers for the men and women in custody said they had not yet been formally charged but had been advised they may be accused of “attempting to overthrow the government by unconstitutional means,” a crime punishable by up to 20 years in prison.

Mr. Mugabe, who turned 87 on Monday, and his party ruled Zimbabwe single-handedly from 1980 until 2009, when regional leaders pressured him into forming a power-sharing government with his longtime political rival, Morgan Tsvangirai, following a discredited 2008 election. Mr. Tsvangirai withdrew from a June runoff that year to protest state-sponsored beatings of thousands of his supporters. An estimated 350 people died in the violence.

“The illegal meeting’s agenda, Inspector Sabau said, was ‘Revolt in Egypt and Tunisia: What lessons can be learnt by Zimbabwe and Africa?’” the state-controlled Herald reported.

Inspector Sabau found the topic incriminating, but many Zimbabweans have been asking themselves that very question as democratic revolutions have swept Arab nations. Like former President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, Mr. Mugabe is an octogenarian autocrat in power for three decades. And also like Mr. Mubarak, he has used the state security services to harass, jail and torture his opponents.

But there are differences as well. The United Nations recently found Zimbabweans to be among the world’s poorest people, often making mere survival an all-consuming task. They also have less access to the Internet than Egyptians, depriving them of one of the tools that helped organize the mass protests in Cairo.

And while the army in Egypt did not side with Mr. Mubarak when his people rose up against him, most analysts assume the leadership of Zimbabwe’s military would attempt to crush any such movement — though such an effort would also severely test the loyalty of impoverished soldiers to their military commanders.

Nonetheless, some of Mr. Mugabe’s most influential opponents have also criticized Mr. Tsvangirai’s leadership, arguing that the people power in north Africa offers an example for Zimbabweans to resist Mr. Mugabe’s rule.

“Indeed, the single most important lesson from Tunisia and Egypt is that we as Zimbabweans are our own liberators,” Trevor Ncube, owner of three independent newspapers in Zimbabwe and the Mail & Guardian in South Africa, wrote this week in the Mail & Guardian. He added later, “The world will only help us when we stand up and fight for our freedom and reclaim our country from Mugabe and the arrogant clique around him.”

Munyaradzi Gwisai, a lecturer at the University of Zimbabwe’s law school, was an organizer of the gathering, which took place on Saturday and exposed activists who have no Internet access or Cable television to images from the uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt.

Alec Muchadehama, a human rights lawyer who met Mr. Gwisai at the Harare Central police station, said detainees told him Mr. Gwisai was one of seven people in custody who were beaten with truncheons at the police station. Mr. Muchadehama, who often represents arrested journalists and activists, said Mr. Gwisai and others at the meeting were not plotting the government’s overthrow, but were engaged in “an academic debate about what was happening in Tunisia and Egypt.”

A socialist and iconoclast who was expelled from Mr. Tsvangirai’s Movement for Democratic Change in 2002 for supporting an aggressive land reform program at a time when Mr. Mugabe’s party was pursuing violent land seizures from whites, Mr. Gwisai, like many of his countrymen, has been watching the unrest in Arab nations.

“Obviously, all the happenings in Egypt and Tunisia have been taking center stage,” said his wife, Shantha Bloemen, who works for the United Nations in Johannesburg. “The meeting was an opportunity to discuss what’s happened, especially for people who don’t have access to the Internet or cable TV, both to express solidarity and to discuss the implications for Zimbabwe.”

As Mr. Mugabe’s party pushes for elections this year in a drive to reclaim sole power, human rights groups have warned that the police and youth militia aligned with Mr. Mugabe’s party have intensified harassment, beatings and arrests of Mr. Mugabe’s political opponents. The revolts in North Africa appear to have made Mr. Mugabe’s inner circle nervous — and the arrests were a sharp warning to those emboldened by them, they said.

“This is a message that ‘if you attempt anything, we’re going to arrest you, assault you, incarcerate you, lay false charges against you, deny you bail, and occupy you with false trials,’” said Mr. Muchadehama. “That’s the message — ‘don’t attempt this, it can’t be done here.’”


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/world/africa/22zimbabwe.html?src=twrhp
PoliticsRe: Gaddafi Flies In Black Africans To Quell Protests As Libya Descends Into Anarchy by violent(m): 9:28pm On Feb 21, 2011
cap28:
What is it that Gadaffi is doing that the Saudi royal family is not doing, and why is it that this "revolution" has not extended to that region?

How come the west were mysteriously silent during Babangida's murderous and tyrannical tenure in office?

When people rose up against the June 12 annullment - where was the west?  why didnt they step in and give you the media coverage, the unlimited air time on a vast array of foreign tv stations?  why werent they crying on your behalf about the way IBB had blatantly refused to abide by the rule of law and implement the people's mandate? why werent they crying on your behalf about how IBB had reduced you to a state of penury? where were they when people were killed on the streets and mauled by security forces in 1993? Why did they snub MKO when he ran to London to try and garner support for his agenda, why was he ignored and told to go back to nigeria and sort out his problems with IBB?

As the great Fela Anikulapo Kuti said in one of his songs - I just dey look and laugh, shebi they have put forward their proposal to Jonathan to devalue the naira so that they can continue to violation and pillage you by buying your oil at rock bottom prices, please remember not to weep and wail when Jonathan hits you with another round of eye watering austerity measures. 

Ask yourselves this question - if the west cared about the well being of the average nigerian why would US controlled IMF advise your govt to devalue your naira knowing full well that in doing so it would result in an INCREASE IN FOOD PRICES, MORE UNEMPLOYMENT, AND FURTHER CUTS IN PUBLIC SPENDINGhuh
I am hoping you might be able to tell how this post of yours address the people's {Libyan citizens} thirst for new leadership, freedom and democracy in Libya and why Gadaffhi has defied all odds and resorted to genocide just to hold on to power.

Additionally,  Mr A is doing it, should not make it right and just for Mr B to do the same, it's only a matter of time before it extends to the Saudi royal family, the wave started in Tunisia, swept on to Egypt, now to Libya, why not grab a popcorn and not jump the gun?

I should also point out that the West as you call it are not under any obligation to interfere in the political runnings of an independent state, the only reason they could interfere is if clear cases of genocide is being carried out by the government, which is clearly against the principal tents of the  United Nations Security Council.  Another reason why a country might send it's military to interfere in a political turmoil is if it has established claims that its citizens are trapped in such turmoils and is unable to extract it's citizen in a manner that is friendly according to terms in their foreign policies, then it could send in it's military to protect it's citizen.

What has any of this got to do with June 12 and annulment of election, or the Libyan crises which is actually the principal topic of the thread?

It's bizzare the way people accuse the West of everything bad that happens in their bedroom, i bet America has got something to do with students not passing WAEC in Nigeria. it has to be. . .America is intending to profit from ignorance of the black race, the lesser people have motivation to attend University, the more America and the rest of the West retain their positions as world leaders in technology and research, hence, more than a third and quarter of Nigerian students fail WAEC every year.
PoliticsRe: Warplanes And Militia Fire On Protesters In Libya! by violent(op): 8:54pm On Feb 21, 2011
Let's hope the feds come to our rescue again, their are Nigerians trapped in Libya.

Portugal and Austria both sent military planes to Tripoli yesterday to remove its citizens.
PoliticsRe: Warplanes And Militia Fire On Protesters In Libya! by violent(op): 8:20pm On Feb 21, 2011
Ghadaffi might eventually get what he's been running from. This provides a legal ground for the intervention of the United Nations Security Council, and his arse might be on his way to Hague to face trial for war crimes.
PoliticsWarplanes And Militia Fire On Protesters In Libya! by violent(op): 8:18pm On Feb 21, 2011
The faltering government of the Libyan strongman Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi struck back at mounting protests against his 40-year rule, as helicopters and warplanes besieged parts of the capital Monday, according to witnesses and news reports from Tripoli.

By Monday afternoon, a witness saw armed militiamen firing on protesters who were clashing with riot police. As a group of protesters and the police faced off in a neighborhood near Green Square, in the center of the capital, ten or so Toyota pickup trucks carrying more than 20 men — many of them apparently from other African countries in mismatched fatigues — arrived at the scene.

Holding small automatic weapons, they started firing in the air, and then started firing at protesters, who scattered, the witness said. “It was an obscene amount of gunfire,” said the witness. “They were strafing these people. People were running in every direction.” The police stood by and watched, the witness said, as the militiamen, still shooting, chased after the protesters.

The escalation of the conflict came after Colonel Qaddafi’s security forces had earlier in the day retreated to a few buildings in the Libyan capital of Tripoli, fires burned unchecked, and senior government officials and diplomats announced defections. The country’s second-largest city remained under the control of rebels.

Security forces loyal to Mr. Qaddafi defended a handful of strategic locations, including the state television headquarters and the presidential palace, witnesses reported from Tripoli. Fires from the previous night’s rioting burned at many intersections, most stores were shuttered, and long lines were forming for a chance to buy bread or gas.

In a sign of growing cracks within the government, several senior officials — including the justice minister and members of the Libyan mission to the United Nations — broke with Mr. Qaddafi. And protesters in Benghazi, the second-largest city, where the revolt began and more than 200 were killed, issued a list of demands calling for a secular interim government led by the army in cooperation with a council of Libyan tribes.

Mr. Qaddafi’s security forces waved green flags as they rallied in Tripoli’s central Green Square on Monday under the protection of a handful of police, witnesses said. They constituted one of the few visible signs of government authority around the capital. The once ubiquitous posters of Colonel Qaddafi around the capital had been torn down or burned, witnesses said.

Colonel Qaddafi’s whereabouts were not known.

Tripoli descended into chaos in less than 24 hours as a six-day-old revolt suddenly spread from Benghazi across the country on Sunday. The revolt shaking Libya is the latest and most violent turn in a rebellion across the Arab world that seemed unthinkable just two months ago and that has already toppled autocrats in Egypt and Tunisia.

The Libyan government has tried to impose a blackout on the country. Foreign journalists cannot enter. Internet access has been almost totally severed, though some protesters appear to be using satellite connections or to be phoning information to news services outside the country.

In a rambling, disjointed address delivered about 1 a.m. on Monday, Mr. Qaddafi’s son Seif al-Islam el-Qaddafi played down the uprising sweeping the country, which witnesses and rights activists say has left more than 220 people dead and hundreds wounded from gunfire by security forces. He repeated several times that “Libya is not Tunisia or Egypt, ” neighbors to the east and west.

The United States condemned the Qaddafi government’s lethal use of force.

Witnesses in Tripoli interviewed by telephone on Monday said protesters had converged on the capital’s central Green Square and clashed with heavily armed riot police for several hours after Mr. Qaddafi’s speech, apparently enraged by it. Young men armed themselves with chains around their knuckles, steel pipes and machetes, as well as police batons, helmets and rifles commandeered from riot squads. Security forces moved in, shooting randomly.

By the morning, businesses and schools remained closed in the capital, the witnesses said. There were several government buildings on fire — including the Hall of the People, where the legislature meets — and reports of looting.

News agencies reported that several foreign oil and gas companies were moving on Monday to evacuate some workers from the country. The Portuguese government sent a plane to Libya to pick up its citizens and other residents of the European Union, while Turkey sent two ferries for its construction workers, The Associated Press reported.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/world/africa/22libya.html
PoliticsRe: Gaddafi Flies In Black Africans To Quell Protests As Libya Descends Into Anarchy by violent(m): 7:58pm On Feb 21, 2011
So what does it mean, genius? How  come Americans and Britons are not coming in droves to live in Nigeria? Whether you accept it or you choose to be in denial, people leave Nigeria for greener pastures because compared to Nigeria, their destination vis-a-vis their present abode is more desirable than Nigeria. it is not your place to decide what is and where is not desirable for others.
First, people emigrate for a number of reasons, and it will be a premature manner of thinking if you inferred that Nigerians emigrate in their thousands to Libya for economic prospects available in the latter. Nigerians in Libya are mostly known to be involved in drug dealing and prostitution, I hardly ever hear of a rational individual leaving the shores of Nigeria to study in Libya or take up positions as an Investment Banker, it's just way off,  . . . People leaving one country for another doesn't translate to their destination country being more desirable, it only offers more opportunities to thrive in markets that matches closely with their interest, be it legal or illegal,  . .

I wouldn't expect you to be dumb to infer that a point in my statement {^^ above}  meant that all Nigerians in Libya are into drug dealing and prostitution, I would hope that you understand that i meant only very few Nigerians travel to Libya to seek legitimate greener pastures.


So If I have to go by your logic, the more you stay in power, the more evil you are? So Ghaddafi is a greater evil than say Mubarak?
It does mean that, applying the same logic to Nigeria, IBB was a bigger evil than Abacha? and that, applying it to  present time, other things being equal, GEJ, were he to die today or next year, would go down in history as a lesser evil than his predecessor, not minding the fact that we really cant point to one thing he has done successfully, good or bad. So to you, what makes a leader evil is nothing but the number of years they spend holding on to power?

So because people are dying, it means that Ghaddafi sanctioned each death, and as a result he ought to be held responsible for the death of those law-breaking citizens, never minding the fact that these people, most of whom are adults, had the choice to stay home and not disturb the peace of the society. The law is no respecter of persons you know. And, anyone who chose to go against public peace should be ready to face its consequence, no matter how unfavorable.

But mockery aside, do you not find it illogical to blame the leader of a country for every death, not to talk of the death of criminals?
There is no point being unreasonable by merely quoting my prints in a shallow manner that dose not portray the original logic intended.

Libya is owned by Libyans NOT Ghadaffi.  Libyans deserve the right to chose who their leader should be.  Libyans deserve a right to be in the know on how their country is governed,  . . . Ghadaffi, in my definition becomes "evil" when he chose to hold on to power for 42 years against the people's wishes and would not hesitate to bring down the might of the military on whoever dares speak up or protest against his government.  

The damn country does not even have a constitution, Libyan policies are shaped by what Ghadaffi thinks is right and wrong,  and God help you if his coffee comes late, he could have you hanged by the balls without anyone having a legal standing to prosecute him.

Ghadaffi is a Libyan citizen, NOT a Libyan god, he should never be allowed to assume the status of the latter.

I also think it's disturbing that you feel unarmed protesters are Law breaking citizens, it sounds like what Ghaddafi or Abacha might say!

When you say we.   .    .  are you implying Nigerians? Did you not hear about the guy, was it Borno or Kano, who got arrested for openly disagreeing with the Governor of his state on Facebook? Do you know that something like that would never happen in Libya? So who here is really adhering to the tenets of democracy.     .     . The Libyans who are free to say as they please or the Nigerians who face harsh extra-judicial treatment for the slightest disagreement they have with their leaders. That is just one example, there are others like the the Lawyer who got beaten up by OGD aides sometime last year for refusing to vacate his assigned seat on a plane and there are many more examples I am more than willing to site should you be interested.
Nigerians have a legal standing to fight injustice meted out to them by their leaders when armed with the right means to do so.  Libyans don't!  The case of Uzoma Okere comes to mind, she got awarded 100 million for being assaulted by naval ratings.

Nigerians have held successful peaceful protest against the government on several occasions, in Libya, protesters are shot at by the military!

Yes, their are several cases extra judicial treatments and assault by government officials taking place in the country, but the highly informed victims see to it that Justice is done and are eventually duly compensated.  In Libya, you will be too lucky to get an apology.

It seems to me that you along with cap28, are focused on "Ghadaffi standing up against America", and have actually neglected what is best for Libyan citizens.  

Additionally, it is worrisome that most of you while enjoying the dividends of democracy[i] [even if not as much as you expected to[/i]] are asking that Libyans remain within the claws of a tyrant.  shame on you all!
PoliticsRe: Gaddafi Flies In Black Africans To Quell Protests As Libya Descends Into Anarchy by violent(m): 8:56am On Feb 21, 2011
[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=608408.msg7770001#msg7770001 date=1298265542]He's evil yet thousands of nigerians and other black africans are dying to live in libya ? huh Does staying long in power translates to evil ? There is nothing special about democracy.
if libya decides on a system of government that works for it,then why shouldn't the government consolidate on such system instead of worrying about how long Ghadaffi has spend  ? The point still remains that denocracy is not good for Africa .checkout all african countries and show me one that democracy has favoured.
we need a system of government that works best for us.like fela style,''Me I no fit copy oyinbo style ''.[/quote]Thousands of Nigerians flooding to Libya does not necessarily mean it's a relatively desirable place to be.  Thousands of Nigerians flood Yemen, Sierra Leone, Zimbabwe, Guniea-Bissau all of which are by far poorer than Nigeria and some of which are still being torn down by massive effects of civil war.

as for your second question, Yes, staying in power does translates to evil. Are you reading the news at all?  Hundreds of unarmed Libyan protesters are being shot just because this dude has an unquenchable thirst to hang on to power and you wouldn't describe that as being evil?. . . .

The people wanted what you and I enjoy, they want to be able to speak freely in public, they want to be able to challenge the views of the government, they are not advocating for economical development, all they are asking for is freedom from tyranny, yes, freedom from evil!

Here you are probably banging away at your keyboard, expressing what you think and do not think, some of us even have enough guts to call our president all sort of unprintable names, we petition and sue the feds, just to drive home our point, Libyans don't have that, they are expected to shut the héll up lest some gay relinquish the might of the military on them, what sort of life is that?
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PoliticsRe: Gaddafi Flies In Black Africans To Quell Protests As Libya Descends Into Anarchy by violent(m): 9:08pm On Feb 20, 2011
cap28:
I will repeat what i said earlier - Gaddaffi is well within his rights to crush any attempt to topple him - he has served his people well, taking Libya out of poverty and modernising it into a self sufficient nation despite years of western imposed economic embargoes.  He even survived an air strike carried out the by the US govt in 1986 which killed his only daughter:

The air strike killed 45 Libyan soldiers and government officials, and 15 civilians. Forewarned by a telephone call from Malta's Prime Minister, Karmenu Mifsud Bonnici, that unauthorized aircraft were flying over Maltese airspace heading south towards Tripoli, Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi and his family rushed out of their residence in the Bab al Aziziya compound moments before the bombs dropped. Gaddafi escaped injury but his 15-month-old adopted daughter Hanna was killed, and two of his sons were injured.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Libya#Libyan


Nigeria has been kow towing and kissing the ar.se of america and Britain for 50 years and the only thing nigerians have to show for it is mass unemployment, brain drain, sub standard educational instititutions, non existent health care facilities, death trap roads, armed robbery and very soon another round of crippling structural adjustment policies.

Those so called protesters should move to nigeria and then they will know what it means to live in a hell hole.  At least they eat three square meals a day, live in decent accommodation, have access to free education, health care and live in a clean environment.
Again, you are not making much sense here bro.

First, Libya has one of the worst human rights records in the world, the people simply want freedom, surely that can't be too much to ask. . . .No?

Second, Ghadaffi does NOT own Libya, the fact that he could lay claim to achievements in certain sectors of the country should not give him right to make Libya his personal Heritage, . . .He's been there for 41 years dude!. . the people simply said they don't want him anymore, surely that can't be too big a request,. . . .No?

It's really strange that you mention that he has every right to crush any attempts to topple his regime, question is by whom? his own people?. . dude, hundreds of un-armed Libyans are falling from the shells of military power and you think this is right?  excuse me, are you smoking something dangerous to your health?
PoliticsRe: Gaddafi Flies In Black Africans To Quell Protests As Libya Descends Into Anarchy by violent(m): 8:50pm On Feb 20, 2011
Lmao! for once we agreed on something grin grin

Some of you really come across as dense, honestly. You don't think before making these your daft comparisons.
People really do come across as dense and it berates me the sorts of comaprisions and justifications they attempt to back their claim!

if anything, Libyans have more reasons to hate Ghadaffi than Egyptians have for Mubarak.  The dude has been been a dictator for 41 years, now that the people want change, the son-of-a-bítch orders the slaying of his own people, and some dude in his right senses think this is right!
PoliticsRe: Gaddafi Flies In Black Africans To Quell Protests As Libya Descends Into Anarchy by violent(m): 7:59pm On Feb 20, 2011
^^^

You can imagine that, and someone here thinks Gadaffi is doing the right thing!


Gadaffi is doing the right thing, the west is trying to topple him by way of a fake "revolution", Libya unlike Egypt is not  a client state of the US and therefore Gadaffi is well within his rights to fight off any attempt to topple him.

The US govts fingerprints are all over this so called "uprising", Gadaffi should resort to any means to crush this fake rebellion because it is not legitimate.
"Any means" ---meaning if that includes killing his own countrymen in thousands just to hang on to power. It's really disturbing the way people think. Hundreds are mourning their relatives as we speak, simply because they desired what everyone else desires----a government by the people, why should that be even wrong?

I am hoping someone could at least provide some sort of plausible explanation on how US could have secretly been the center of the Libyan protest,. . it would be too stúpid to think all those who believe that the protest is controlled by some powers in the west don't have a reason for thinking so.
PoliticsRe: Gaddafi Flies In Black Africans To Quell Protests As Libya Descends Into Anarchy by violent(m): 6:12pm On Feb 20, 2011
cap28:
Gadaffi is doing the right thing, the west is trying to topple him by way of a fake "revolution", Libya unlike Egypt is not  a client state of the US and therefore Gadaffi is well within his rights to fight off any attempt to topple him.

The US govts fingerprints are all over this so called "uprising", Gadaffi should resort to any means to crush this fake rebellion because it is not legitimate.

Gadaffi has done a lot for his people, Libya unlike nigeria is a nation which has succeeded in providign a decent standa\rd of living for all its citizens, Gadaffi may be autocratic in terms of the way he runs the country but he is not syphoning billions of oil revenue away into swiss accounts and condemning his people to a life of grim poverty and misery.  Neither has he mortgaged his nation to the IMF, opened up the country to foreign direct investment aka appropriation of domestic resources into the hands of slave masters.  His only crime is that he has refused to be a western puppet like all of nigeria's so called leaders since "independence".

I pray that the US govt and their puppets will not succeed in their planned take over and toppling of Gaddaffi.
wow! the same game isn't it?  where the US gets the blame for every goat that misses it's menstrual cycle in North Africa or middle east.

Are the protesters Americans?  oh lemme guess,. . . . .  yeah, they must have received a secret call from white house to protest a 41 years dictatorship!

Isn't it plausible to think Libyans are also tired and would love to see Gaddaffi leave his positions?  did the US also organised the October 1993 attempted assassination of this tyrant by elements within his own army?

Was it the US that started the crises in Tunisia as well?  . . . it has to be!.  . . the late Mohamed Bouazizi must have received a call from the United States secretary of states to set himself on fire which eventually was the situation that led to the protest. .!
PoliticsRe: Abacha Never Stole, Say Buhari by violent(m): 7:08pm On Feb 19, 2011
Abagworo:
I believe that Abacha did not loot.He was a victim of Western propaganda and those so-called recovered loots could be made up.

Oil ranged between 8 and 12 dollars per barrel throughout Abacha's era.If you compare with our inability to save from 100 dollar per barrel today,you will understand.
for real shocked shocked

then my neighbor's Ford Pinto is a fúcking BMW

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