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He never failed, not at all. Segun Aganga should take up the debate and prove to us that Soludo failed and even deserve to be jail.

Segun Aganga is a Minister of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, his office his superior to the Governor of the central bank, talk less of an ex governor [oh i forgot, ex governors don't actually have an office].  He is not obliged to debate with every Soludo, Suleiman and Shakiru that asks for one!

The same changes that was about to be implemented by Soludo but with sanity.
Can you actually read   Can't you see he planned to change management? So how was that a kid's glove?

Yeah right! He planned to change the management, but he didn't. The only reason we know he planned to change the management was because he told us so after the management was changed.

This sums up how clueless and ignorant you are. Nigeria was NEVER in recession! Get it, so the loss of jobs was unnecessary and a result of Sanusi's rash actions.

oooops! someone says Nigeria was NEVER in recession and then he called me the ignorant one, what an irony!. . .someone must have missed some economics classes!

There was a general slowdown in Production, lending activities and household spending, there was a marked increase in unemployment rates and bankruptcies and Nigeria was NEVER in a recession? wow! we musta been experiencing a boom!. . .i fear what a recession must look like!

I can't even begin to explain to you factors that led to loses in bank jobs, it will probably take you all eternity to grasp the basic concepts!

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Police men are recruited to enforce laws, and protect people/infrastructures .  a bank is just a highly sensitive environment that requires such protection

Obiagu1:
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You're just exposing how insane you are.

Dude!  are you looking to trade words or have a constructive argument?
It makes me wonder if your IQ is the same figure as your age, I'd bet my breakfast it is.  If you are smart enough, you should have known that trading words with someone who's not looking to pick a fight with you will not necessarily make your díck bigger.

Tell me any of those things implemented by Sanusi that was his?

Oh please spare me that crap!  Soludo kept screaming like a kid whose mummy didn't love him very much.  He kept saying ''that's my idea, that's my innovation', question is who cares? he failed, period!

Did anyone lose his savings at the end of the day?

Nope!, that's what the changes effected by Sanusi was meant to prevent duh!

Changes that could have been carried out quietly and effectively was grossly mismanaged by Sanusi.

Quietly and effectively? you mean the way Soludo treated those bank MDs with kids glove and simply watched while they recklessly run their banks aground with stakeholders funds?  Are you too dáft to comprehend that some of them actually pleaded guilty to financial crime cases?  and you don't see any fault that this people operated under the very nose of Chukwu?

Go and ask bankers how many of them lost their jobs because of the panick not to talk of the huge loss in FDI?

Yes Bankers lost their jobs, but they aren't the only ones, it's called a recession for a reason dunderhead!

Insanity will remain in Nigeria and can't be eradicated with people like you still offering opinion!

I am not insane you ídiot, my opinion is just different and smarter than yours, and while you are pissing yourself to death, I am simply laughing out loud at your folly. . . i dey laugh o, ke ke ke ke ke

I don't know exactly how to even argue with you at this point.  Banks in the UK wouldn't need the Police, not because robberies aren't likely to happen, but because even in an event of robbery, there's an 80 percent chance that the UK police will eventually nail those robbers using forensic technology and any other measures available to them, and that alone is enough to drive fear down the spine of whoever is even considering such.

Successful robberies in the Uk are always undoubtedly well planned to ensure that no traces are left at the point of robbery.  You even hardly hear of cases where guns are fired during a heist, because the Police can trace the weapon to the exact firearm using ballistic fingerprint. All that and more makes successful robberies a hard thing to plan and implement in the UK.

I think comparing that to Nigeria is grossly misinformed.  I have seen a situation where robbers disarmed an entire Police station before making a glorious and majestic walk into a bank adjacent to it. Needless to say they were so relaxed during the heist and some of them prepared and drank coffee while robbery was in progress.

I haven't said robbery is impossible in the UK, but the technology and counter measures available makes the banks and stores operate with a high degree of trust in the security system.

I remembered there was an instant when my neighbour's 4 year old, out of curiosity dialed the 999, then he replaced the receiver without saying anything to the officer at the other end.  8 minutes later, a Police officer was knocking at their door asking if everything is alright

He has been vilified by some out of ignorance that he gave false confidence that our banking sector was insulated from the global crisis, but that was a total lie! He never said such, rather he was busy and expertly navigating us out of the turbulence in the world then and according to him, "Like a pilot of an aeroplane that experiences an unprecedented turbulence, what you say to passengers and how you say it might largely determine whether or not some passengers will pass out or die of frightful shock before you navigate through the turbulence and stabilise the plane to reach your destination."

Crap!!!!!!

Navigating plane kor, driving ship ni!

If our banks are operating on high leverage and low liquidity ratios, WE DESERVE TO KNOW!

If our banks are being managed by people who issue reckless loans without conducting due process, WE DESERVE TO KNOW!

There is no point offering Soludo praises when he has been weighed, measured and found wanting! We all know he's brilliant but he has demonstrated that he can't be trusted!

In a sane environment, Soludo wouldn't even attempt to make a grasp at a public position ever again!

cold:
Do you see police men protecting banks in the UK?Or are u going to comeback with a retort that the circumstances are different?

You don't think the circumstances are different? Do you suppose the UK is just like Lagos where thugs can carry out a 3 hours heist without being accosted or challenged?

Banks in the UK don't have policemen because they don't need to!

ifyalways:
There are private security outfits in the country.
Individual banks now have to secure themselves.

The Police, with all the APCs, and range of automatic weapons available at their disposal, are unable to successfully secure banks, how much more private securities whose only weapons consist of side batons and pepper sprays?

cold:
My thoughts exactly.It is not the job of police men to secure banks,the wrong way of doing things have been so enmeshed in our thoughts and daily life it has become routine

Seriously? If it's not the duty of the Police to secure banks, what then would you say their duty is?

solve a smaller problem by creating a bigger problem and then tell the rest of us observers that when compared with the bigger problem, the smaller problem wasn't really a problem.

that's how things work in my country

lmao, common people, let's get serious, we really should stop opening threads for vacuous reasons

@OP

Spreading unfounded information is not the lowest you could descend in the gutters, there is still much space further down there!

mylove4him:
Talk of a drowning man, what does he want?

hehe

[quote author=aloy/emeka link=topic=596397.msg7663382#msg7663382 date=1296778686]How many cheap champagnes have you bought lately?. [/quote]I don't buy cheap champagnes, sorry!

Those stuffs come with a price tag of 15 pounds each, that's not even good enough for a decent manicure in many spas in London!

next time, suggest Roederer Cristals to your friends. Moet makes them look cheap and paints a picture of hustlers all over.

Once a militant, always a militant.

Twenty-seven former Niger Delta (Nigeria) militants who were arrested in Takoradi for attempted murder and causing damage are to be brought to Accra for further investigations.

DCOP Hamidu Mahama, Western Regional Police Commander, told Joy News the decision was taken after his outfit held a meeting with a Nigerian Minister of Transport and some officials of the Nigeria High Commission, including the coordinator the people attacked.

The 27 persons were arrested when they allegedly locked up the coordinator in a room and attempted to drown him for failing to pay them their allowances.

The Nigerians were posted to Ghana by the Nigerian government to learn skills in fitting and welding at the National Vocational Training Institute (NVTI ) in Takoradi.

According to DCOP Hamidu Mahama, the trainees were supposed to be paid $100 a day but the coordinator they attacked has been deducting the hotel bills and feeding fee out of the $100.

“So they felt cheated because if they have been handed the $100 a day they could make some savings for themselves. So they got annoyed and started rioting, kidnapped their leader and wanted to drown him in a sink,” DCOP Hamidu Mahama told Joy News.

The Nigerians who also assaulted the manager of the hotel could face charges of attempted murder, causing damage and assault.

DCOP Mahama said those who would be exonerated could go back to Takoradi to continue their training.

Earlier, the National Vocational Training Institute dismissed suggestions that the Nigerian students were militants brought into the country to cause trouble.

Stephen Amponsah, the Director of NVTI, Ghana told Joy News the institute has a contract with the Federal Republic Amnesty Programme of Nigeria to train up to 1,000 Nigerian youth. The training regimes each last six months.

http://news.myjoyonline.com/news/201102/60603.asp

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who says it's not okay?  citing a single isolated case is hardly sufficient against a backdrop of millions of insults and curses flying across continents on a daily basis. I shouldn't deserve to be locked up because i think my neighbor is a m'oron

What kind of person leaves two kids and a wife at home to ride across a rough terrain in high speed bikes? one word---irresponsible!

@OP
that's a cheap champagne dude!

frosty omo ghetto, won ti gan pa!

i love this girl to pieces!

who says people's voice don't count?

Moukhtar Ibrahim Aminu, the   Nigerian citizen who was arrested and detained for 10 days for insulting" Governor Sule Lamido of Jigawa State on Facebook, has been released following an international uproar.

Moukhtar had been thrown behind bars by a Dutse magistrate judge, Mustapha Saad, who ordered that he be remanded in prison until February 7th, 2011.

Moukhtar's father, Alhaji Aminu Moukhtar told SaharaReporters today that the Attorney General of Jigawa state discontinued the case suddenly.  He said after Moukhtar was released, the governor’s aides requested that their principal wanted to see him at the Governor's Lodge to "discipline" him as a father, a proposal Alhaji Moukhtar said he rejected.  The governor then threatened to re-arrest Moukhtar and try him under the Sharia law.

Moukhtar and his father have since fled Jigawa state.  He said they drove all night to Kano where Moukhtar remains hospitalized at an undisclosed hospital.
Moukhtar was first detained by the police in Abuja for 10 days after Governor Lamido reported him to the police for "criminal defamation" regarding his Facebook postings against the governor.  Moukhtar was moved to Dutse on Monday and charged under a strange law.  Following his night in prison custody, the story went international after SaharaReporters published the story, with Governor Lamido suffering the scorn and contempt of posters across the world.   The UK-based Nigeria Liberty Forum (NLF) also began a massive campaign to seek the release of Moukhtar from prison.
Alhaji Ibrahim Aminu says he plans to go into hiding with his son to avoid further arrest and detention.

http://www.saharareporters.com/news-page/nigerian-accused-insulting-governor-facebook-released

luvinhubby:
The law does not operate in vacuum, there must an offence for a law to function by and in this there is an offence of "VERBAL-ASSAULT", which Muktar probably ignored, therefore he must dance to the music, good or bad.

Verbal Assault? can you tell the difference between verbal assault and an insult?

I can't even begin to imagine how people tend to misconstrue circumstances using terms they don't have a full grasp off!

Verbal Assault occurs when Mr A screams at/ threatens/ berates/ degrades Mr B to an extent where Mr B begins to lose self esteem. Usually Mr A is in a superior position to Mr B for a verbal assault to have taken place.

If you read the contents, the guys message was directed to Allah, not the governor, the governor is only subjective.

Let's leave all moral issues asides, the truth is the governor has made a poor use of the powers that comes with his office to intimidate a fellow Nigerian, and that's what we all condemn.

Princek12:
There are a million and one other countries with healthcare systems the quality of which is comparable to the United States. And while you may feign ignorance to the fact that the United States is the most sought after country by Nigerian women to give birth to their children, we all know it is true. While I strongly think it has given we Nigerians a bad name, just as we seriously abuse any privilege given to us, I think that it is better that the US changes the system, that is, to deny birthright citizenship to children of nonresident parents. Because many of these mothers of anchor babies neither live in the USA nor contribute to its development, it is unfair to those who stay in the US, pay taxes, and develop the country, just for some parasite mother to send her child back in 18 yrs to benefit from a country to which she has contributed nothing.

What!!!!!!!

It must mean everyone and anyone who decides to leave their country just to have their babies elsewhere in the world, do so to get their kids registered as citizens? wow, we are not even considering the fact that the parents are citizens already?

wow!. . .what a surprising trail of thought

It's Chrome for me.

nothing can beat it's dual browser and search engine nature

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I share your view of those statements being too extreme, what i don't however believe is that the dude ought to be locked up for such.

A rational analysis of those statements points out that

1) The dude was making a direct reference to "Allah", the governor was only mentioned as a subject in those statements.

2) I don't see any insulting or defaming words, more like a prayer for him, could be interpreted as a curse, our constitution does not provide legal basis for curses.

3) I don't see any words that indicates that the dude has intentions of causing grievous bodily harm to the governor, what he has simply done is to have expressed his opinion, although in a morally unjust manner, but the constitution provides allowance for right to thought, and freedom of expression, the dude has simply exercised both at once.

4) I don't see anywhere in the text that supports the penal code the dude has been charged under, and he was remanded in prison on the premise of the penal code.

In all, I don't support what the dude has done, however in this case, a stern warning and an order to tender apology might have been sufficient rather than locking him up. The final judgement on this case will weigh a lot on the extent in which freedom of speech can be exercised.

The Police in Naija can really accuse you of doing something you haven't even thought of before. I have seen someone accused of being an armed robber simply because he had a hot argument with a Police officer.

here is the section of the penal code.

oyb:
i no talk am  

I also knew the dude was being charged under the wrong codes, just enough for a judge to remand him in prison.

The lawyer accused Governor Lamido and the police commissioner of abuse of power as well as “stretching a law to cover a ground that it does not cover.” Section 393 states: "Any person who, with intent to defraud, conceals the whole or part of any document which is evidence of title to any land or estate in land is guilty of a felony, and is liable to imprisonment for three years."

This is clearly a "how-dare-you-insult-me,-don't-you-know-who-i-am" syndrome.

It will be great to see how many people this bigot is capable of arresting!

I am loving my fellow country men for this, quite impressive really!

and here is a quote from the boy's lawyer

“What has happened to this man is indefensible,” said an Abuja-based lawyer, adding, “Curiously, the penal code doesn't know Internet defamation as an offense.” The lawyer accused Governor Lamido and the police commissioner of abuse of power as well as “stretching a law to cover a ground that it does not cover.” Section 393 states: "Any person who, with intent to defraud, conceals the whole or part of any document which is evidence of title to any land or estate in land is guilty of a felony, and is liable to imprisonment for three years."