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Thank you PaulGrundy

Winsomex,
I have an axe to grind with this last speaker, but I been banned for the last four days and I don't have much time with me.

First, notice how he draws parallels from NT apostolic use of tongues and healings but conveniently ignores the ONLY evidence we have of prophecy in action over the same period namely Agabus. I would have expected him to contrast the little we have of Agabus work with present prophets. Instead, he went off tangent and jumped int Deuteronomy. Agabus simply foretold the drought/famine in Judea and possibly helped Christians prepare. He also foretold of Paul's persecution in Jerusalem. Such specific revelation you won't find in the scriptures and so the argument that gifts somewhat attested the apostles witness won't wash. Note Agabus was not an apostle.

Secondly, I agree with him that tongues are tongues...languages whether in Acts or Corinthians. What I question is the rubbishing of present tongues as gibberish on the basis of a vague research whose contents we are not privy to. There is NOWHERE in the scriptures that tongues were used to preach the gospel. In Acts on Pentecost, the disciples were praising not preaching. Wherever tongues are understood, it is always praising. Besides, if tongues are for preaching, what's the use for the gift of interpretation?

Thirdly, church history and tradition supports the continualism not cessationism position. There are countless records of the spiritual gifts long after the apostolic age and after the pen on the last word of Revelation dried. McArthur lamely quoted three or so fathers and the quotations are incomplete. I will share the link to this later on. Note, the church history is not authoritative and the Fathers were not infallible but it is plain dishonest to claim that they support Cessationism while they don't.

Fourthly, read this paragraph again

This is a quote that comes from the Strange Fire book and I think it summarizes it nicely. Dr. MacArthur says, “The true prophetic office demanded 100 percent accuracy. Insofar as they declared new revelation from God to the church, New Testament prophets were held to that standard. To be sure, the proclamation and exposition of the prophetic word continues today through faithful preaching and teaching. In the same way that biblical prophets exhorted and admonished people to listen to divine revelation so gifted preachers throughout all of church history have passionately encouraged their congregations to heed the Word of the Lord. The key difference is that whereas biblical prophets receive new revelation, directly from the Spirit of God, contemporary preachers are called to proclaim only that which the Spirit of God revealed in His Word.

In one paragraph, MacArthur has equated present day preachers with apostolic age prophets. The question that begs is, how comes there are so many divergent views in this camp (Reformed,Calvinists...)? How can we test their accuracy? Or are they subject to the accuracy test seeing they are carrying out the prophetic role? I have come across some conning arguments for conditional immortality of the soul. I have come across others for eternal torment. Universalism too is supposed to be based on scripture

Then this is the point. The only legitimate way anyone can say “thus says the Lord,” or “I’ve received a Word from the Lord,” is if the next words that follow come directly from the biblical text. Anything other than that is blasphemous, presumption and certainly not prophecy.

Did Agabus words after saying 'this saith the Lord' come directly from the biblical text? What about when the Spirit asked that Paul and Barnabas be set apart? Where are the proof texts for this assertion?


Any movement of God, including the first apostolic/Pentecost if fraught with errors. Like I will share from a source I almost wholeheartedly agree with, these errors are usually over-emphasis on the theme. It could be Holy Spirit,abortion,doctrine,theology and so forth. Pentecostals are no exception and they frequently appeal to EXPERIENCES at the expense of scriptures. Like Winsomex observed, cessationists too appeal to doctrine and theology over experience effectively reducing Christianity to a text book religion devoid of any feelings. This is why Shdemidemi can't coherently explain the purpose of prayer. To him it is a psychological exercise. He can't tell you what Holy Spirit is doing in His life because Holy Spirit is a distant first century effect.

Now, kindly go through Frank Viola's Pouring Water on Strange Fire
http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/186817686



Cc
NLmediator
Mbaemeka
BabaGnoni
Gombs

Amateur Skeptic, howudoin

frosbel:
Same can be said of Christ Embassy which is one of the biggest cults in Africa !

Keep on keeping on PaulGrundy

MzNelly:
This is not a discussion; this is you claiming that it is a cult with SO MUCH exaggeration.

Anyways, PaulGrundy, are you going somewhere with that siggy of yours?

Am sure CANTICLES has been there severally.
May be he should point out just ONE error he found there

Yooguyz:
Do you know what amuses me about the whole thing?? The same people who troll my threads still visit jwfacts.com, I did know of anybody who would want to visit a site about JW's except JW's themselves.

Somebody beat me to it and shared the prophecy video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XlkPQWLLCw

Two things stick out about it
1. He is in a lack beard while recently he been spotting a fraying one
2. The video message is undated

These two suggest the prophecy is quite old, one of his innumerable wild arrows that just hit a bull's eye
Still, anyone with the original video please share it here and we can compare the two. Only then will you marvel at his video editing skills

Negro please,
I been banned for the last 4 days over 'inciting a member to suicide'
That was lastchild. I just had it with these ruthless overgrown crybabies who demand our attention more than they crave for air after a dive in the pool!

Now, you need Jesus Christ more than ever my friend.

sonOfLucifer:
A whole lot more than you could ever comprehend.

Hello my negro vooks, how are you doing?

I don't write for everyone

tpacalipse:
How many of them would recognise?

Can u apply the rule to Islam?
It has been growing, it must be of God!

mentorandfriend:
I love Acts 5:33-42. It demonstrates clearly how we should let time judge things. Particularly verses 38-39 where the Attorney General of the Jewish high court told the pharisees thus; If this thing be of man, then it will surely come to nothing at the end, but if this be of God, be careful lest you be found fighting against God himself. This is how we should approach issues concerning Pastors, Priests, Reverand Fathers, etc. If what they are doing is not from God, then it is only a matter of time before it crashes. You see?

If the trumpet sounded today, would you be qualified to be taken?
How many of those you have converted would be taken?
Have you EVER converted ANY?

Cc: Frosbel

AdeniyiA:
if the trumpet sounds today, what percentage is qualified to be taken?

The term 'common sense' is a misnomer when it comes to JWS

Yooguyz:
Na wa oh! The white man that said common sense is not common is very correct.

Would you eat a human kidney? And would you, CANTICLES go through a kidney transplant or donate one?

And did you know that Watchtower Society for many years NEVER left it to conscience to donate organs or to have a transplant? It was expressly forbidden and you would be disfellowshipped for that

CANTICLES:
Dont think like d pharisees ....... NOBODY breaks sabath by saving an animals life , saving lifes is part of Sabath, Jesus correct this Pharisees wrong notion when he said "It is lawful to do a fine thing on the Sabath" Mat 12:12 ...

!

When the bible directly prohibit the consumption of "blood" into the body system ? Act 15:29 .... Whereas we are urged to ABSTAIN from " blood"

The same way a prostitute will defend somtin prohibited and say : " why wont i do it , will i allow my children to starve to death ??"


The scripture says nothing about organ donation and transplant .... So thats left to each person ! But in d case of transplant , all organs involve must be drained from blood with reference to Act 15:29 .

They call it sarcasm in English. What do they call it in pidgin or Yoruba?

kaima1984:
they dnt behave that way BC they are enemies of progress,dey dnt like good thing,dearie Jesus is d way,truth and life,u need him like seriously,merry Christmas

Join Satanism, they would never do that

clemzo101:
My pastor was preaching and he dabbled into marriage issues and how some ladies are still unmarried considering their age, we all took it normal until he shouted " where is sister faith, go and marry u are old" I personally felt very bad for her. The question now is dis....."What right has a pastor to do something like that?"

Negro,
ANYTHING you do to your hair is a STYLE!
Free style and you will be dreadlocked in a few days, clean shave and you will be another Michael Jordan or Samuel L Jackson

amakufrancis:
For our spiritual leaders keeping different kind of hair styles like afro, and the likes. Some even apply Relaxer to their hair

whats your say on it?

Go to church bro. I really missed your name off obituary pages

frustratedman:
What are you saying

Go to church bro

frustratedman:
What are you saying

Paul shared with the Galatians how he rebuked Peter for his hypocrisy in Antioch.
What should your pastor do, write to all those whose life he intends to share on, good/bad and get consent?

At least your pastor never identified you unlike Paul. So grow up, get a life and enjoy your fifteen minutes of fame here on NL

Who is my scamming pastor?

frosbel:
He is no different to your scamming pastor, they are both fakes, lol.

Sorry my broda,
Frosbel sounds effeminate if not feminine. Or you just need to be a man for once!

frosbel:
Mumu, can't you see the m next to my name which means male. And to think that you would address a woman in the same fashion makes one shudder.

Now do me a favour, go and Jerry curl your hair and put on a fake accent like that charlatan of a pastor you worship .

Thank God common sense prevailed. We are not here to mother nobody, you want to hang yourself? I will buy you a rope and your coffin

frustratedman:

Look at this faux Freud pupil and her psychoanalysis BS
i want to make lastchild's transition painless. I want him to be celebrated in death. You can offer him your version of Deity as soon as he suspends thinking and gets to your level

frosbel:
No, not because of that. Your grievance is simply that you have come up against somebody you cannot mislead, deceive or coerce with your false gospel and concept of salvation.

Don't take it the wrong way , you have some catching up to do before you can get to that point where we intellectually.

This wonderful blog has chronicled his epic fails.
Read how he failed in predicting MH370
http://tbjoshuawatch./2014/03/18/tb-joshuas-evolving-mh370-prophecy/

So,
Have you settled on how you are checking out? Or are you another sissy like Frustratedman?

lastchild:
getting born again should be willingly not a ransom for something that is chasing you

Am born again by force,the worst is what I became born again for is back in worst conditions

I would be casting pearls to swine arguing with amateur skeptics.

frosbel:
What have I to do with you , Child of Beelzebub .

Answer my question. Don't be obtuse. Do you know you can break Sabbath to save an animal's life?
How much more can blood transfusion human life?


Would you undergo organ transplant?

CANTICLES:
The folly of religion and its afterlife fake comfort as shown here ...... You people love this earth so much , and will even violate Gods law to stay on EARTH . !!! The folly of afterlife , u guys are not even sure of what u preach .

C'mon lets discuss Act 15:29 ..... Thats what i like .

1) what does it mean to abstain from blood ?

2) will i be abstaining from blood by consuming it thru my veins ?

3) if a patient is not eating in the hospital, such ones are fed intravenously ? Can such patient be reffered to as eating .

4) how will God who consider blood so sacred and comand it sud be shed in d ground, view the idea of consumin another person's blood

WinsomeX:
You give two options to choose from, the African or the Pentecostal Pastor, and you conclude it's dishonest to suggest the Pastor. Why? What's the dishonesty there? I gave my reasons, can you prove anything dishonest in them? Are Africans the only ones with some peculiar cultures? Why then is the phenomena predominant with us? The answer is simple: other cultures and their ministers could separate church and culture but our own Pentecostal pastors chose to marry them. There is nothing dishonest about that.

Witchcraft is essentially a third world phenomena. What's so peculiar in third world, melanin? No, poverty, ignorance,illiteracy are the common denominators.

And the African Christian is the only one living in a hard environment? Excuse me, you can proffer better reasoning here than this.

Once again, poverty,ignorance and illiteracy is the true cause. Wherever and whenever you run into this, you run into the most despicable aberrations of Christianity or ANY other religion

Did you read the text at all or you simply rushed off to write these. The point of the whole text is that African ministers and witchdoctors are similar in many ways. He proffers the issue of formication to explain that IF these Pastors where doing what they were meant to do, that is preach the word and not indulging extra biblical practices, like prayers on the mountain, they will not be getting caught in such scandals.

He was being dramatic. Fornication is not an African peculiarity nor a Pentecostal proclivity.

Now it's obvious you don't know a thing about these things. I should ask you were you practice Pentecostalism in Africa bc in Nigeria where I reside, it is the norm. It is a well known fact that T B Joshua discourages his devotees from seeking medical help. WoF essentially derides medicine and makes folks feel less Christian for using medicine. Mbewe was actually very conservative and was not exaggerating at all.

The exaggeration is in heaping all that is wrong in the body of Christ on the número uno enemy of Cessationists; Gifts of the Holy Spirit

The purpose of the message was not public relations for African Christianity. The purpose again was to tell the audience the pervasive influence of Charismatism on evagecalism. What you think is an exaggeration is actually a plain underestimation of the facts as we see them in our shores. it is obvious that you yourself that have turned up to be the leading defender of Charismatics on this thread know very little of the nitty gritty of the things going on within the movement.

Example, I was just discussing with a Pastor who told me of occasions where he has seen leading Nigerian Charismatics Pastors with women other than their wives in hotels. There are stories of Pastors dying and screaming to their deaths as they face the reality of hell and demons because it was public knowledge that they used cultic powers in their ministries. Or the Pastor I overheard on radio a few weeks ago calling folks to an anointing service for the New Year where he would be anointing people with honey. Or the very fact that Nigeria is where she is today bc leading Pentecostal pastors in collaboration with thieving politicians are milking her dry. The list is endless. And the very reason why their doctrines and practices must be examined.

Am not a defender of nothing, just an advocate of common sense and logic.
If Catholic priests and whatnot sodomize kids, the problem is not Catholicism or Christianity

There is no endeavor here, but doctrinal flip flop inside which thousands have perished because the light has been flickering instead of growing brighter.

NOBODY studying the entire scriptures in ANY (per)version would conclude that blood donation and transfusion violates any portion of scriptures. It takes suspension of logic while simultaneously submitting to Watchtower Society to entertain this buffoonery.

Would you undergo organ transplant?

CANTICLES:
..... So is that why you use dat insultive yoruba word " mumu" on me ! Lets endeavour to appreciate those who are ever ready to held to God's standard regarding blood . ( Act 15:29)

None of those in christendom endeavour to follow that command on blood ... Yet they will blame those who endeavour to do it !!!

I appreciate those that reject blood includin its subdidvided fractions in obedience to Act 15:29.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/27/world/asia/airasia-missing-plane/

Watch the negro and other like minded charlatans move in for a kill

How sure are we these verses were not mistranslations, interpolations and basically written out of ignorance?

frosbel:
One of those late nights and I am thinking about Nigeria and the reason why despite so much prayer , fasting and mourning things remain the same and in many cases are even getting worse.

Why ?

One would have thought that with our acclaimed miracle men, men of God, pastors and millions of believers , things should have been turned around for the better by now.

Every Sunday we troop down to our places of worship to hear words of encouragement and promises of hope from our icons in the pulpit and despite the evidence to the contrary we cling to hope while everything falls apart all around us.

I think I have figured out why.

God is not moved by prayer ! Well prayer that is not said aright.

Yes God is not moved by the prayers of those who have chosen to live , think and act unrighteously. We call ourselves Christians and go to 'church', yet we collect bribes, commit adultery , shed innocent blood, align ourselves with false doctrines especially those that exploit the orphan, widow and poor ( you know what I mean ) , we malign our leaders and curse our neighbours, we persecute the weak and exploit the vulnerable and we think that all our prayers and tears ( crocodile tears if I may qualify ) will appease God.

Many Christian bosses do not pay their workers, many are involved in mago mago in their businesses , many believers will do anything to make two ends meet even if it means hurting their conscience in the process, yet we troop to 'church' to ask God for favours.

Hahaha, you think you can fool God with your white robes, black suits. Long dresses , big bibles ,long prayers , singing , tithes and offering etc.


Consider the following scripture ;

John 9:31
We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does his will.

Proverbs 21:13
Whoever shuts their ears to the cry of the poor will also cry out and not be answered.

1 Peter 3:12 - For the eyes of the Lord [are] over the righteous, and his ears [are open] unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord [is] against them that do evil


These are just a tip of the iceberg concerning how God deals with people and nations. God cannot be bribed with your tithes and offerings which of course we know does not go to him but to fraudulent charlatans, in fact the mere thought that you pay to get back 100 fold in return while not caring for the poor neighbour down the street or your wretched relatives is in itself a sin.


Solution ;
2 Chronicles 7:14
if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

Here we see very clearly that unless Nigerian Christians repent of their hypocrisies , stop man worship and start acting righteously, nothing will change. But if we repent and start acting righteously God will hear our prayers even before we utter them from our lips.

Here's another one ;
Proverbs 14:34
Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.

Let us deceive not ourselves that because we are covered by grace we can sin rampantly and expect that God will cover us with the blood of his Son and turn a blind eye to our pagan practices, infidelity and wickedness. Sorry, but God is not a Nigerian, he cannot be bribed or corrupted , and God does not believe in sinning grace, oh yes, the grace that encourages sin with the excuse that Jesus has covered it all for you, yeah right !

Time to change and change must begin in our personal lives , we must start to imbibe values of integrity, honesty, hardwork and righteousness.

But if you continue supporting evil men in the pulpit, enemies of the cross whose God is their bellies, if you continue in your wicked business malpractices and office cheating, if you continue to be a stereotype Christian who is arrogant, judgemental and condescending in attitude, you are OYO, which is to say you are on your own. If you like pray for eternity, be rest assured that nothing will change, never, unless you and all of us change.

End of late night rant.

Back to bed

Whatever you do, don't use the rope, it it too painful. I'd go for jumping in front of a car, a heavy truck
Don't do suicide notes, those are for sissies, just do it!
Nobody needs to know why you did it. That way you check out with an aura of suspense
Talk to SonofLucifer and see if he can assist you with some spells in overcoming the self preservation impulse

Finally, to give the impression of communicating from the other side if at all, leave me with your personal details and a sign upon which I will deem you to have checked out. I will publish the same here under your moniker complete with your obituary. Negro, you will be a NL hero celebrated posthumously for years to come because we are too idle

PS: don't let confused and derangedd m0rons like Frosbel deter you with their definition of God. Why would you listen to her and not me? Design your own God and stick to him/her/it

lastchild:
Not just happy in this new lifestyle called born again, feeling so suicidal

Acts 7:57-58 (KJV)
Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, 58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul

I know these messages prick them, and they get through their defense mechanisms, I know seeds of doubt are germinating, and the King of Kings is declaring captives free praise be to his holy name!

They can't stone you nor Grundy and they can't shut their ears either.

Yooguyz:
I was going through the site and was shocked to see it there, because the site is owned by an australian man who has never been to Nigeria. This has double fold implications,

1. Awareness campaign of watchtowers manipulative behaviour by grundy and I in nairaland has generated a traffic of Nigerian witnesses at his site powerful and plentiful enough to attract nigerian advertisers.

2. If 1 above is true, then it means many JW's are arming themselves with the information to break free from watchtower cult. Oh am so excited!


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